Ooopers! Evolutionists let the truth slip!

Recently on Wretched Radio Todd (Freakishly Tall) Friel showed a clip from National Geographic where a group of scientists stand around a deceased giraffe studying its respiratory system in complete amazement. While the video can be a bit squeamish for some, the punch-line at the end is worth the wait! What happens when an Evolutionist's commitment to naturalism is challenged by an overwhelming feeling of awe of God's creation? Watch and see!

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Rob Johnson

I truly enjoyed this except the part 'I don't know about that truth in dreams stuff." I'm a Christian psychiatrist and it seems as valid, possibly more so, to ask a person what they felt about a dream, than as to how they felt about an event they witnessed . God is the ultimate reality and if, as in Daniel, His truth can be found in dreams , why not? Well done and Godspeed, Rob Johnson
http://msm Judy

Funny how a scientist can find God's work as Amazing. OF course it's amazing. No one else but Him could do this.
http://yahoo Camus

In my youth I studied God, in my early adult years I studied evolution. I have come to the conclusion that they both work together to produce a most amazing Universe. I know we came believe in evolution without dismissing God's planned design.
- Barbara
  
  You could not be more wrong….it is impossible!!! Unless of course you don't believe in your studies of God from your youth. It is like trying to say that Christianity and Muslim can coexist….not if you are a true christian and a true Muslim…sorry those are just the facts Camus!
  - Sooz
    
    God can do ANYTHING HE WANTS TO DO! Who says that Creator-God does not ALLOW things to evolve? Why do you put Him in a limited humanistic box?? And Christians and Muslims CAN coexist. Someday you will see the lion and the lamb come together. God doesn't play favorites – He loves EVERYBODY. You are a very narrow minded person.
    - Steve
      
      While God CAN do whatever He wants, He has said what He DID do. For example, creating Adam from the dust of the ground. Also, there was no death until Adam sinned, as pointed out in several places in the Bible. The Bible is an integrated message system from outside of space and time, and numerous fulfilled prophecies (most notably the resurrection of Jesus Christ) attest to the truth of everything claimed in it.
      - Don
        
        +What is so hard to believe about God. God is all powerful, all magnificent, omniscient, omnipresent, if we believe that, why is it so hard to believe that he could not do it in just six days?
      - http://sampsonvideos.com Jonathan Sampson
        
        Amen, Steve! While it's true that God can do whatever He desires, this doesn't discount the fact that God told us how he did it. We cannot honor God by boasting of His ability while simultaneously ignoring His testimony.
        
        John 3:12, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?"
        
        If we cannot trust God's Word regarding Earthly things, we are foolish to trust it regarding Heavenly things.
    - rick
      
      adam was created from dust. that's how. no, she just listened better than you.
SuzanneWA

WHY do scientists ALWAYS think that their little discoveries of the AWESOMENESS of God's design is irrevelant? Did the nuns in their schools drill God out of them?? Of COURSE it's AMAZING – the GREAT DESIGNER of the whole WORLD made His mark on ALL creatures, great and small. When will the non-believers really START to BELIEVE?? What does it take?? Jesus is coming…and MAN, is He pissed!!!
Stephen

When God said "I AM" what part of that is so hard to understand?
David White

As a professional biologist and anatomy-physiology teacher for 40 years I've been through the awe moment many times even when dissecting a frog. I'll never forget my college comparative anatomy professor telling our class that he believed in a God so intelligent that he had a plan for life on this earth that was self perpetuating and self correcting until the end of time. He then in a whisper said, "And I hope to be judged worthy enough some day to sit at his feet to hear the details in how he did it." The Bible spends such a few words describing the creation of life that we should not argue about it. Instead we should study the wonders of His creation in reverence and awe realizing that His ways are not our ways and that no one really comprehends or understands the eternal picture or ever will.
- Larry Gillihan
  
  David: Yes we can understand the "eternal picture". God will give you the wisdom to understand it, if you'll ask him for it…James 1:5. I asked him several years ago, and within the next few months, almost every question I had ever had about the Bible was answered, and all the answers make sense. I have not found a single preacher or church who believes James 1:5, out of about 25 I tried to question. Some claimed the scripture wasn't in the Bible, and that's strange, since it clearly is.
  
  When I started getting the wisdom I asked God for, and he said he would gladly give, I began to see his plan. Now, I know what he's doing, how he's doing it and why he's doing it, and it all fits the Bible perfectly. Preachers won't acknowledge this scripture because Satan doesn't want them to have God's wisdom. He has deceived the whole world, Revelation 12:9, and he has control over it, 1 John 5:19. Churches have traditions, which God forbids, but they do it anyway…and if they get wisdom from God, they'll try to make it fit the church's traditions, and when it won't, they think it isn't wisdom and disregard it. You can't get the wisdom until you forget your traditions.
  
  As you say, it isn't important how we got here, but what we do while we're here. We should focus on what God tells us to do and not to do, rather than argue about how we got here.
http://www.icr.org Mary

I suggest everyone begin studying the creation scientists' work. Their work has been silenced too long by the deceitful evolutionists. These scientists are studying the origins of the universe and life through real science and are discovering the incredible design of if all. Evolution is mathetical impossible and mutations only result in t loss of information in our genes. The designer actually created living organisms with a huge variety of traits which are recognized as populations extend out in different evnvironments. Natural selection,yes. Evolution, no.
- Jeff
  
  Mary says:
  
  Evolution is mathetical impossible and mutations only result in a loss of information in our genes
  
  Hmmm. Now that raises some questions for you. See, according to the creationists, all humans alive today are descended from 8 people who got off a Really Big Boat. Anyone who understands junior high genetics will know that 8 people have between them a maximum possible of 16 different alleles for each genetic locus (in reality, the 8 people on the Big Boat would have had even FEWER, since some of them were descended from others and thus shared alleles, but for the sake of argument we will give the creationists every possible benefit of the doubt and assume that they were ALL heterozygous and shared no alleles at all in common). That means, if the creationists are correct that "most mutations are deleterious" and that "no new genetic information can appear through mutation", there can not be any human genetic locus anywhere today with more than 16 alleles, since that is the MAXIMUM that could have gotten off the Big Boat.
  
  But wait ———-
  
  today we find human genetic loci (such as hemoglobin or the HLA complex) that have well over *400* different alleles (indeed some have over *700* different alleles). Hmmmm. Since there could have only been 16 possible on the Big Boat, and since there are over 400 now, and since 400 is more than 16, that means that somehow the GENETIC INFORMATION INCREASED from the time they got off the Big Boat until now.
  
  That raises a few questions —–
  
  if genetic mutations always produce a LOSS in information, like the creationists keep telling us, then how did we go from 16 alleles to over 400 alleles (perhaps in creationist mathematics, 400 is not larger than 16)?
  
  if these new alleles did not appear through mutations, then how DID they get here?
  
  But wait — there's more:
  
  Not only, according to creationists, must these new alleles have appeared after the Big Boat, but, according to their, uh, "theory", all of these mutations must have appeared in the space of just *4,000 years* — the period of time since the Big Flood. That gives a rate of BENEFICIAL MUTATIONS, which add NEW GENETIC INFORMATION, of one every 10 years, or roughly two every generation ——- a much higher rate of beneficial mutation than has ever been recorded anywhere in nature. Nowhere today do we see such a rate anywhere near so high. So not only would I like to know
  
  what produced this extraordinarily high rate of non-deleterious mutations, but
  
  what stopped it (indeed, what stopped it conveniently right before the very time when we first developed the technological means to study it)?
  
  But wait — we're not done YET . . . . . .
  
  Since less than 1% of observed mutations are beneficial (the vast majority of mutations are indeed deleterious or neutral and have no effect), that means for every beneficial mutation which added a new allele, there should have been roughly 99 others which did not. So to give us roughly 400 beneficial mutations would require somewhere around 40,000 total mutations, a rate of approximately 100 mutations in each locus EVERY YEAR, or 2,000 mutations per locus for EACH GENERATION. Do you know what we call people who experience mutation rates that high? We call them "cancer victims".
  
  But wait, we're STILL not finished . . . . . .
  
  In order for any of those mutations to be passed on to the next generation to produce new alleles, they MUST occur in the germ cells — sperm or egg. And since any such high rate of mutation in a somatic cell (non-sperm or egg) would have quickly produced a fatal case of cancer, if the creationists are right this mutation rate could ONLY have occurred in the germ cells and could NOT have occurred in any of the somatic cells.
  
  If one of our resident creationists can propose a mechanism for me which produces a hugely high rate of mutation in the germ cells while excluding it from any other cells, a Nobel Prize in medicine surely awaits — such information would be critically valuable to cancer researchers. But alas, no such mechanism exists. The rate of mutations made necessary by creationist "arguments" would certainly have killed all of Noah's children before they even had time to have any kids of their own. In order to produce 400 beneficial alleles in just 4,000 years, humanity would have been beset with cancers at a rate that would have wiped them all out millenia ago.
  
  Explain, please
OldTeddyBear

I really don't know why evolution is so favoured, even Darwin did not believe in it.
- Larry Gillihan
  
  Old Teddy Bear: Evolution is a "trick" of Satan to keep people arguing, and keep their minds off of the reason we're here. If you're arguing about evolution/creation, you're not thinking about why you're here, and why God did all this, and loving others and doing good to them. I've studied both evolution and the Bible, and I can't find any proof of evolution, but the universe literally reeks with proof of God's existence. Unfortunately, those who don't believe can't see it.
  - Jeff
    
    Since "Satan" does not exist, this is nonsense.
Charles Higley

Just because something is cool and really amazing means nothing related to God and creationism. Evolution has selected over millions of years for a system that is adequate for the lifestyle of the giraffe. It has nothing to do with design and its is really cool that such a system can be selected for by the mechanisms of evolution.

The fact that you are using a computer confirms evolution as the same science that makes your computer and blog work confirms the principles of evolution.

So, if you really believe in creationism, then you cannot use a computer and should cancel your medical insurance becuase you do not believe in modern medicine, which uses the principles of evolution excessively. It's back to bleeding with leeches for you—or you are a hypocrite.
Charles Higley

OldTeddyBear says:

"I really don’t know why evolution is so favoured, even Darwin did not believe in it."

Patently not true!

Evolution is favored because it works so well and suspending reality to adopt a children's story from the bible would have crippled and even canceled all of modern medicine.

Evolution is favored because it is real world science.

Don says:

"What is so hard to believe about God. God is all powerful, all magnificent, omniscient, omnipresent, if we believe that, why is it so hard to believe that he could not do it in just six days?"

That begs the question of why God lets children suffer diseases and child abuse and allows all the other tortures in the world. Why would he allow a religion that stones people and even thinks it's OK to rape and torture them before they are stoned to death? How barbaric! Why allow such heinous things and you still consider God magnificent? Somebody forgot to wear their real world glasses today!
- Glen
  
  @ Charles
  
  The question of suffering and 'evil' are valid issues most certainly. However, as an Atheist, the question of good and evil, prospering and suffering…these are questions that you do not need to grapple with, as they do not fit within the framework which you espouse ie. by definition, for an Atheist, there is no good or evil, right or wrong, everything is relative. As for suffering, that is just a part of the animal kingdom, a natural and essential part, and as Atheists classify humans as mere animals, it does not warrant an answer.
  
  For a theist, however, the issue of evil and suffering is a valid subject that warrants further discussion and comprehension. For an Atheist, it is a non-issue. I do not see how you can use this as any evidence as to whether or not there is a creator.
  
  In relation to science, it can neither prove nor dis-prove a god. However, the sheer apparent design does rationally lead to the question of a designer. This is not an irrational thought, that things appear designed because there is a designer. Things happening out of nothing, for no reason at all…even if it is remotely possible, is (in my opinion) not as rational a conclusion as things appearing designed because they are indeed designed.
  - Charles Higley
    
    Glen: "However, the sheer apparent design does rationally lead to the question of a designer. This is not an irrational thought, that things appear designed because there is a designer."
    
    Patterns do not mean a designer is needed. The laws of nature can create patterns just fine. To complicate reality by adding a higher form of existence needed for a creator, then begs the question of the origin of the creator. Occam's Razor says that the Laws of Nature have to be proven to be incapable of creating the patterns that we see (the simpler model) before we accept a more (vastly) complicated model.
  - Jeff
    
    There is no evil in the religious sense of sin, but there is right and wrong. As mankind developed, behaviors that benefited the species were considered good or "right" and behaviors that were detrimental for the species were considered bad or "wrong". After centuries of the behaviors working for the betterment of the species, they became ingrained into us. It is really not that hard to understand.
Zack

God always revealed the Truth, always from Adam through Christ Jesus and finally Muhammad. God would not discriminate by revealing different religions only because the revelations (Books from God) were revealed to HIS various Messengers at diffenent time of history. If God is ONE, HIS religion has got to be same ONE. God of Jews, Muslims and Christians cannot be different. Truthful ONE God would not sent Judaism for Jews, Christianity for Christians and Islam for Muslims only. Its not possible for God to discriminate HIS mankind by giving them three different religions. Obviously it means, the differences in religion are only due to man's own misunderstanding about their ONE Creator, i.e. who is also the God of Adam, God of Noah, God of Abraham, God of Moses, God of Christ Jesus and God of Muhammad (may the peace and blessings of God, Almighty Creator be upon all the Messengers and Prophets). Since both Messengers Jesus and Moses followed the Religion of Abraham. Therefore the last Messenger (Muhammad) also did the same, i.e. followed the Religion of Abraham. God commands both Jews and Christians to do the same so the religion on earth remains for ONe God only rather than divisions among mankind.

"And who turns away from the religion of Ibraheem (Abraham), except those who injure their souls with folly? Him (Abraham) We chose and rendered pure in this world: And in the Hereafter, he will be in the ranks of the righteous". (2:130).

"Listen! His Lord said to him: "Bow (your will to Me)". "He (Ibraheem) said: "I bow (my will) to the Lord and Cherisher of the Universe". (2:131).

"And this was the story that Ibraheem (Abraham) left to his sons, and so did Yaqoub (Jacob): "O my sons! Allah has chosen the Faith for you: Then do not die except in the Faith Islam". (2:132).

"Or, were you witness when death appeared before Yaqoub (Jacob)? "Look", he said to his sons: "What will you worship after me?" They said: "We shall worship your Allah and the Allah of your fathers – Of Ibraheem (Abraham), Issma'eel, and Iss-ha'aq (Isaac), the One (True) Allah: To Him we bow (in Islam)".

"And they (Jews and Christians) said: "Become Jews or Christians, if you would be guided (to salvation). "You say (to them): "No! (I would rather follow) the Religion of Ibraheem (Abraham), the true, and he joined not gods with Allah". (2:135).

"You (also) say (to them): "We believe in Allah, and revelation given to us, and to Ibraheem (Abraham), Issma'eel, Iss-ha'aq (Isaac), Yaqoub (Jacob), and the Tribes, and that given to Moossa (Moses) and Eessa (Issa/Jesus), and that given to all Prophets from their Lord: we make no difference between one and another of them and we bow to only Allah (in Islam)". ((2:136).

"So if they believe as you believe, they are indeed on the right path: But if they turn back, it is they who are in (different) faction; But Allah will suffice you against them, and He is All Hearing, All Knowing". (2:137).

"(Our religion is) the purification from Allah: And who can purify better than Allah? And it is He Whom we worship". ((2:138).
Jeff

One component of evolution that gets glossed over by creationists is the reality that the animals that exist today did not exist in the past. When you start going back over the history of animals, you see an interesting pattern. There is a groupings of animals based on geological timeframes. There are no rabbits or tigers (as well as thousands of other animals that exist today) in the Paleozoic area. So, either god is doing multiple creations, (which contradicts the bible) or there was some mechanism that brought rabbits and tigers into the picture when they were not there originally.

If the concept that change cannot turn one species into another species is accurate, then the dilemma of how these new animals came into the picture still remains. Animals that did not exist 300 million years ago exist today. Trying to get around the timeframes by claiming that the world is less than 10,000 years old, falls apart by other sciences, such as astronomy or geology. The cat kind had to exist in the first place in order for a tiger to have changed from it. And the fact is a cat kind was not around at one point. So, something else allowed tigers and all the other cat kinds to exist today when then they did not exist in the past.

Looking at the evolution of motorized vehicles is a good example. Starting with a simple Model T car, you see that basic design expanded into motorcycles, trains, airplanes and rocket ships. Now there is obviously a different component here. Mechanical vehicles cannot reproduce themselves. Animals can. And when you look at animals, you see the same basic design that has expanded into different sizes shapes and abilities.

What people who protest against evolution fail or refuse to grasp, is that it explains the diversity we see today. No other theory can accurately make that claim. And when they say that change occurs, but there is a limit, they need to explain exactly how that limit occurs, which they never do.
Zack

Species: Mules were non existing. How the Mules came in: Well, Mules are both male and female but do not possess the reproductive ability. No reproduction of a male or female Mule is possible. If you want addittional Mules, you have to cross breed an Ass (donkey) with a horse, i.e. A male horse with a female ass (donkey), or alternatively a male ass (donkey) needs to be cross breeded with a she or female-horse. Mule born from female ass (donkey) or she/female-horse have different characteristics in size or strength of mule, they are likely to vary, but not much in overall chacteristics, since both would be mules and incabable of further repropduction. Both male or female mules are incapable of reproduction.

Why? Mules are later development of cross breed using human imagination so God helped man for another blessing (Mules) in addition to horses and asses (donkeys). Especially mules were great for carrying deliveries of your products.
Jeff Dixon

I assume you mean species is the limiting factor? A species is a catagory and a catagory is NOT a limiting factor, it is a description.

However, lets put that aside. Where did the horse and ass come from? They did not exist 300 million years ago, when other animals roamed the Earth.
Zack

Creator is ABOVE His Creation. Whatever exists on the Heavens and the Earth belongs to the Creator – Allah. His creative abilites or power is not limited or diminished. Scientists those who believe in the Creator also believe that many more plantets/stars etc. continue to create more and more with never ending process beyond human imagination. Universe is expanding or more Universes continue to evolve by the Evolver (Allah). Even when Heavens and the Earth Allah created, He created it from nothing. He created it using His "Word" (Word of Command "Kun" Be). When He determines a matter all He has to say to it: "Kun" meaning: "Be" and it becomes (created). Where Bible says "Word" was God (Allah), it actually refers to His Word (of Command "Kun" Be). It does not refer to Jesus because Jesus was not even born when the Big Bang occured at the Commands of Allah. Everything occured including Big Bang at the Word of Command by the Creator – Allah. His Word or Word of Command always existed right from beginning. Allah, the Almighty alwys existed, continues to exist, and never dies. Unlike One-third of Triune God, the Creator never dies. Who was running and managing the affairs of the entire Universe if God remained dead for two nights and three days per Church belief. Church belief is an erroneous belief given by Pagans to Paul. It has never been the belief of Jesus Christ who was a truthful Messenger and Servant of God.
Jeff Dixon

Yes, fine, blah, blah, blah. But that does not answer my question. Unless you think there are multiple creations occurring, the fact remains that most of the animals currently existing on Earth did not exist 300 million years ago when other animals did exist.
Zack

An expert in Zoology may be able to help to answer typically a zoological question. For a basic Faith for any person in his or her ONE and the Only Creator, its immaterial to know zooloogical theories. However, it woud be nice to progress in the Zoological field as well.
Jeff Dixon

No, that is wrong. If your faith can not answer basic questions about the origins of life, it is a flawed and incomplete theory.
- Jeff Dixon
  
  BTW, experts in Zoology have answered that question, which is why we know that evolution is an accurate description of the development of new species over time.
  - Jeff
    
    Actually, the Qur'an is not in agreement with the experts. However, we can research the experts information and determine if it is accurate. We cannot do the same with the "information" posted in the Qur'an. But we can determine it does not conform with understood scientific knowledge. Therefore, we can disregard the "information" shown in the Qur'an as wrong because it does not agree with known science facts
Zack

If Zoological experts answer is correct, then its absolutely in harmony with Qur'an. Allah (the Creator and the Evolver) Creates and also Evolves whatsoever He wants it to happen. Nature is subservient to Allah. Allah is not subservient to nature. Whatever is happening in the Universe including Earth is wth the Knowledge of its ORIGINATOR/CREATOR/EVOLVER who is ALLAH – ONE and Only God, also Creator of all beings. Earth was basically dead. Allah provided water by creating Oceans etc. and gave life to the Earth. Allah! there is no God(s) / god(s) along with or besides (ONE God) Allah. Throne of Allah extends and dominates the Heavens and the Earth. No vision can grasp HIM whereas HIS grasp is over all visions. There is nothing in the entire Universe comparable to Allah or like Allah. God is not physically present on Earth but HIS Power and Abilies are. God sees through inner things no matter where they are. HE knows you what you think or imagine. He knows your past, present and future as well because He is God. He is ABVOVE gender characteristics. God never came to Earth in any human form. God in human form is a Paganistic and Hinduistic belief that has been with Pagans and Idolators since centuries prior to Christ was born 2000 years ago. Unfortunately that erroneous belief was adopted by Paul. Not sure – Trinity in Hinduism still prevails: Trinity of Shiva (god, Vishna (god), and Brahma (god); all three gods in One. One Hindu sect still erroneously believe that these three were One true God, as they believe. ONE God Has been mentioned in John 5:37 which is UNSEEN (INVISIBLE). Jesus (pbuh) was seen by people, God is NEVER SEEN by people, read John 5:37 again. Therefore Jesus is and was never God. God is God. God is Only One. Holy Spirit is not a God either, because God is ONE. Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel and Angels are creature of God, angels are not gods. Holy Spirit is not a Ghost. Only the Ghosts are Ghosts. Holy Spirit was never a Ghost. Holy Spirit is the Archangel or Chief Angel. Angel Gabriel (Holy Spirit) is the Most Obedient Servant/Messengel and Angel of God, he is not a Ghost as the Bible presents. Another greatest Angel of God is Angel Michael and he is not God either. One must understand the difference between God, an Angel and a Man. Jesus (pbuh) was a Messenger chosen by God. Jesus was never God nor God ever came or comes in His incarnation of God which is a Paganistic and Hinduistic belief. Christians should forget about Paul's and his Pagans' belief and honestly turn to truthful belief of Jesus Christ the holy son of Mary and Sign (not son) of God.
- Jeff Dixon
  
  More nonsense. The Qur'an does not agree with the theory of evolution in any way
  
  quran 2;65 apes came into being through a curse from god when they were humans working on sabbath
  
  quran 7:189 Humans created from a single man.
  
  this contradicts evolution
  
  quran 15:26 humans created from clay
  
  this contradicts evolution as humans evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms.
  
  quran 2;36 "adam and eve dropped from heaven to earth"
  
  this is false, humans evolved through evolution by natural selection
  
  Sahih Bukhari 4;55,543 early humans were 90ft tall and humans are declining in height ever since
  
  this is ridiculous. the oldest human remains are shorter in height to us today
  
  this contradicts evolution
  
  quran 2;117 everything created in an instant, not through evolution
Zack

Jeff says:

quran 2;65 apes came into being through a curse from god when they were humans working on sabbath

It seems that verse is erroneously being read or understood by people who do not know Arabic. Verse is clearly saying that people those who disobeyed the Sabbath were punished by God. Only their faces were tranformed to LOOK LIKE monkeys. They were not made real monkeys but only their faces (shape of faces) changed as a punishment. Reader should know that monkeys already existed and much before that incident. The current monkeys you see in the zoo is not their progeny, they were humans (not monkeys). I hope the point is clear to those who want to read with an open mind. Propogandist against the TRUTH Qur'an try to find faults from English translation, because they do not believe in Arabic Qur'an and do not understand it.
Zack

Jeff says:

quran 7:189 Humans created from a single man.

Verse 7:189 says: "It is He Who created you from a single person (Adam), AND MADE HIS MATE (EVE) OF SIMILAR NATURE, that he (Adam) might live with her in peace and love. When they (husband and wife) are close together, she bears a light burden (and responsibility) and carries it about (well and easily). When she grows heavy, they both pray to Allah their Lord, (saying) "if you give us a good child, we promise we shall be grateful". (7:189).
Zack

Jeff says:

this contradicts evolution as humans evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms.

Who said that? — Unbelieble!! God knows better or the man who said this. Choice is your own! you want to follow that man or his Creator – ONE God?

Jeff also said:

this contradicts evolution as humans evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms.

You continue to believe that way if you so choose, that is your belief and your choice. People want to believer their Creator or any man claiming to have more knowledge than God. All men are but only men of the men He (God) has created. I rather believe God instead of man concerning Creation and HIS Evolution process that God controls.

Any teachings other than Qur'an: Must be tested if its in harmony with (Arabic) Qur'an. If it does not pass the test, has to be rejected by believers (Muslims).
- Jeff
  
  I follow the results of science, not myths from tribal savages.
- joe agnost
  
  Jeff wrote: "humans evolved over millions of years from simpler life forms."
  
  And Zach replied: "Who said that?"
  
  Every scientist trained in the field of developmental biology for over 100 years – that's who.
  
  Seriously, I can't believe you weren't aware of the overwhelming scientific concensus that humans evolved from lower life forms (most recently primates). This is common scientific knowledge – and if it doesn't conform to your Qur'an then I'm afraid your Qur'an is wrong.
  
  I don't know why you'd assume the Qur'an was the "word of god" and not simply the writtings of men, it's pretty clear that man wrote it (along with the bible.)
Zack

Mathematics and all natural sciences will always remain in harmony and consistency with the (Arabic) Qur'an. Here emphasis is not Arabic langusge but understang the true meaning and interpretation as originally revealed from God more only around 579 years after Christ Jesus.

Does Allah love you?

Certainly Allah loves you all not just Muslims alone. He is Creator of all, Lord of all even if you refuse to believe in. Your Creator desires that you worship no other God(s) or god(s) except Allah (ONE God).

Does All love Christians?

Soon after departure of Jesus (pbuh), his followers were divided into three distinct Groups or Sects. One Group said: "Jesus (pbuh) was Allah (God incarnation) so Allah went back". Another Group (Sect) said: "Jesus (pbuh) was son of Allah, therefore Allah called him back to Heaven". Yet another Group (Sect) that totally disagreed with above two Groups said: "No, both (above) Groups are wrong. Because Jesus (pbuh) was a Messenger of Allah just like previous Messengers such as Moses, Abraham, Noah and other Messengers who came before him". Allah deeply loved this Group. Christians specifically mentioned in Qur'an belonged to this Group and all such Christians falling in this Group had embraced Islam and believed in the Qur'an just like as they truly believed the Holy Prophet Christ Jesus and his God, the ONE Lord – Allah. Here is the translation from (Arabic) Qur'an what Allah said about such wonderful Christians who truly believed in Jesus as Messenger of Allah, therefore they believed in Holy Prophet Muhammad as well as (Arabic) Qur'an revealed to him:

"—————————-; And you will find nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say, "We are Christians": Because among these people are men devoted to learning and men who have given up the world, and they are not arrogant (haughty)". (5:82).

"And when they listen to the Message received by the Messenger (Muhammad), you will see their eyes overflowing with tears, because they recognize and see the truth: They pray: Our Lord! we believe; Write us down among the witnesses". (5:83).

Above message is for Christians to note what your Creator Allah said more than 14 centuries ago about the true followers who really followed Jesus Christ ( may the peace and blessings of Allah, the Almighty be upon him).

As regards Mr. Dixon, no more resposes as he has got sufficient responses already.

Thanks you all for your understanding.
- Jeff
  
  You can avoid the issue as you like, however, you have still not answered the questions.
  
  1. Why does Mohammed enjoy sex with little girls?
  
  2. Why is your belief system unable to recognize scientific facts?
Zack

Some Christians think that Holy Prophet Muhammad, the Last Messenger married Aiysha when she was still minor, is this true??

There is a very strong evidence that Aiysha (RA) was 18 years old at the time of the signing of the marriage contract and was 21 years of age when she moved to the Holy Messenger's house. (Authority: Authentic narrations of Sheikh Waliuddin, Misshkah, Akmaal, Imam Kalbi, Isteaab, Asadul Ghava).

Whether Christians believe it or not, "Holy Prophet Muhammad was SENT for ALL MANKIND, whereas most mankind do not understand it". (Qur'an 34:28). No act of the Holy Messenger Muhammad was ever contrary to Qur'an. ALLAH, the Exalted Himself certifies this fact in HIS FINAL BOOK "Qur'an" by saying: "And verily, you (Muhammad) are placed on an exalted stardard of character". (Qur'an 68:4). Almost whole world knows that his character and life was demonstrated in accordance with Qur'an. Qur'an was revealed by ALLAH, the Almighty through the truthful tongue of Holy Spirit (Archangel Gabriel Ameen) as the direct Word of God.

Any writings or narrations contrary to the (Arabic) Qur'an cannot be true. All such erroneous reports against the truth Qur'an and truthful Messenger Muhammad, should have no other place but the trash can. Many Christians read certain reports claimed to be Islamic but in reality they are anti-Islamic. Always check the source first, is it from a true Islamic source or from some fake site pretented to be from Muslims or from Islam. Remember, Holy Prophet Muhammad who was SENT for ALL MANKIND said:

"After me, quotes will be attributed in my name. It will be your sacred duty to check them with the (Arabic) Qur'an. Reject them (and throw those away) if those Quotations disagree with the (Arabic) Qur'an". (Authority: Muhammad, the Last and Final Messenger to All Mankind).
- Jeff Dixon
  
  The Islamic Evidence
  
  We now present the Islamic data showing that Aisha was a girl of nine when Muhammad consummated his marriage to her. All bold, capital and underlined emphasis is ours.
  
  SAHIH AL-BUKHARI
  
  Narrated Aisha:
  
  The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234)
  
  Narrated Hisham's father:
  
  Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old. (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 236)
  
  Narrated 'Aisha:
  
  Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'" (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 87, Number 140; see also Number 139)
  
  Narrated 'Aisha:
  
  that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). (Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64; see also Numbers 65 and 88)
  
  SAHIH MUSLIM
  
  'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house at the age of nine. She further said: We went to Medina and I had an attack of fever for a month, and my hair had come down to the earlobes. Umm Ruman (my mother) came to me and I was at that time on a swing along with my playmates. She called me loudly and I went to her and I did not know what she had wanted of me. She took hold of my hand and took me to the door, and I was saying: Ha, ha (as if I was gasping), until the agitation of my heart was over. She took me to a house, where had gathered the women of the Ansar. They all blessed me and wished me good luck and said: May you have share in good. She (my mother) entrusted me to them. They washed my head and embellished me and nothing frightened me. Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came there in the morning, and I was entrusted to him. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3309; see also 3310)
  
  'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old. (Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3311)
  
  SUNAN ABU DAWUD
  
  Aisha said: The Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him) married me when I was seven years old. The narrator Sulaiman said: Or six years. He had intercourse with me when I was nine years old. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Number 2116)
  
  Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
  
  The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six. When we came to Medina, some women came. According to Bishr's version: Umm Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine. She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 41, Number 4915)
  
  Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
  
  The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) used to kiss her and suck her tongue when he was fasting. (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 13, Number 2380)
  
  SUNAN NASA‘I
  
  … When Hadrat Aisha passed nine years of marriage life, the Holy Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) fell in mortal sickness… ‘A’isha was eighteen years of age at the time when the Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) passed away and she remained a widow for forty-eight years till she died at the age of sixty-seven. She saw the rules of four Caliphs in her lifetime. She died on Ramadan 58 A.H. during the Caliphate of Hadrat Amir Mu‘awiya… (Sunan Nasa'i: English translation with Arabic Text, compiled by Imam Abu Abd-ur-Rahman Ahmad Nasa'i, rendered into English by Muhammad Iqbal Siddiqui [Kazi Publication, 121-Zulqarnain Chambers, Gampat Road, Lahore, Pakistan; first edition, 1994], Volume 1, p. 108)
  
  SUNAN IBN-I-MAJAH
  
  1876. ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her) is reported to have said: Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) contracted marriage with me while I was (yet) a six years [sic] old girl. Then we arrived at Medina and stayed with Banu Harith b. Khazraj. I fell victim to fever; then my hair (of the head fell off (and became scattered). Then they became plenty and hanged down upto [sic] the earlobes. My mother ‘Umm Ruman came to me while I was (playing) in a swing alongwith [sic] my play-mates. She (the mother) called me loudly. I went to her and I did not know what he [sic] wanted. She seized my hand and stopped me at the door of the house and I was hearing [sic] violently until the agitation of my heart was over. Then she took some water and wiped it over my face and head. Then she admitted me to the house when some woman [sic] of Ansar were present in the house. They said, "You have entered with blessings and good fortune." Then she (the mother) entrusted me to them. So they embellished me and nothing frightened me but Allah’s Messenger (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) (when he came there) in the morning and they (the women) entrusted me to him. On that day, I was a nine years [sic] old girl."
  
  1877. Abdullah (Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have said, "The Holy Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) married ‘A’isha while she was a seven years [sic] old girl and took him [sic] to his house as a bride when she was nine years old and he parted with her (after his demise) when she was eighteen years old."
  
  According to Al-Zawa‘id its isnad is sahih in accordance with the condition prescribed by Bukhari, but munqata because Abu ‘Ubaida did not hear from his father. Shu‘ba Abu Hatim and Ibn Hibban mentioned him amongst the authentic and reliable authorities. Tirmidhi in al-Jami’ and al-Mazzi in al-Atraf (has expressed the same opinion). Nasa‘i has transmitted this hadith in al-Sughra from the hadith ‘A’isha (Allah be pleased with her). (Sunan Ibn-I-Majah, Imam Abdullah Muhammad B. Yazid Ibn-I-Maja Al-Qazwini, English version by Muhammad Tufail Ansari [Kazi Publications, 121-Zulqarnain Chambers, Gampat Road, Lahore Pakistan, first edition, 1995], volume III, pp. 133-134)
  
  IBN HISHAM
  
  He married ‘A’isha in Mecca when she was a child of seven and lived with her in Medina when she was nine or ten. She was the only virgin that he married. Her father, Abu Bakr, married her to him and the apostle gave her four hundred dirhams. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasulullah (The Life of Muhammad), translated by Alfred Guillaume [Oxford University Press, Karachi, tenth impression 1995], p. 792)
  
  AL-TABARI
  
  In this year also the Messenger of God consummated his marriage with ‘A’ishah. This was in Dhu al-Qa‘dah (May-June 623) eight months after his arrival in Medina according to some accounts, or in Shawwal (April-May 623) seven months after his arrival according to others. He had married her in Mecca three years before the Hijrah, after the death of Khadijah. At that time she was six or, according to other accounts, seven years old.
  
  According to ‘Ab al-Hamid b. Bayan al-Sukkari- Muhammad b. Yazid- Isma‘il (that is, Ibn Abi Khalid)- ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Abi al-Dahhak- a man from Quraysh- ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Muhammad: ‘Abd Allah b. Safwan together with another person came to ‘A’ishah, and ‘A’ishah said (to the latter), "O so-and-so, have you heard what Hafsah has been saying?" He said, "Yes, O Mother of the Faithful." ‘Abd Allah b. Safwan asked her, "What is that?" She replied, "There are nine special features in me that have not been in any woman, except for what God bestowed on Maryam bt. ‘Imran. By God, I do not say this to exalt myself over any of my companions." "What are these?" he asked. She replied, "The angel brought down my likeness; the Messenger of God married me when I was seven; my marriage was consummated when I was nine; he married me when I was a virgin, no other man having shared me with him; inspiration came to him when he and I were in a single blanket; I was one of the dearest people to him, a verse of the Qur’an was revealed concerning me when the community was almost destroyed; I saw Gabriel when none of his other wives saw him; and he was taken (that is, died) in his house when there was nobody with him but the angel and myself."
  
  According to Abu Ja‘far (Al-Tabari): The Messenger of God married her, so it is said, in Shawwal, and consummated his marriage to her in a later year, also in Shawwal. (The History of Al-Tabari: The Foundation of the Community, translated by M.V. McDonald annotated by W. Montgomery Watt [State University of New York Press, Albany 1987], Volume VII, pp. 6-7)
  
  Sa‘id b. Yahya b. Sa‘id al-Umawi- his father- Muhammad b. ‘Amr- Yahya b. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Hatib- ‘A’isha: When Khadijah died, Khawlah bt. Hakim b. Umayyah b. al-Awqas, wife of ‘Uthman b. Maz‘un, who was in Mecca, said [to the Messenger of God], "O Messenger of God, will you not marry?" He replied, "Whom?" "A maiden," she said, "if you like, or a non-maiden." He replied, "Who is the maiden?" "The daughter of the dearest creature of God to you," she answered, "‘A’ishah bt. Abi Bakr." He asked, "And who is the non-maiden?" "Sawdah bt. Zam‘ah b. Qays," she replied, "she has [long] believed in you and has followed you." [So the Prophet] asked her to go and propose to them on his behalf.
  
  She went to Abu Bakr’s house, where she found Umm Ruman, mother of ‘A’ishah, and said, "O Umm Ruman, what a good thing and a blessing has God brought to you!" She said, "What is that?" Khawlah replied, "The Messenger of God has sent me to ask for ‘A’ishah’s hand in marriage on his behalf." She answered, "I ask that you wait for Abu Bakr, for he should be on his way." When Abu Bakr came, Khawlah repeated what she had said. He replied, "She is [like] his brother’s daughter. Would she be appropriate for him?" When Khawlah returned to the Messenger of God and told him about it he said, "Go back to him and say that he is my brother in Islam and that I am his brother [in Islam], so his daughter is good for me." She came to Abu Bakr and told him what the Messenger of God had said. Then he asked her to wait until he returned.
  
  Umm Ruman said that al-Mut‘im b. ‘Adi had asked ‘A’ishah’s hand for his son, but Abu Bakr had not promised anything. Abu Bakr left and went to Mut‘im while his wife, mother of the son for whom he had asked ‘A’ishah’s hand, was with him. She said, "O son of Abu Quhafah, perhaps we could marry our son to your daughter if you could make him leave his religion and bring him in to the religion which you practice." He turned to her husband al-Mut‘im and said, "What is she saying?" He replied, "She says [what you have heard]." Abu Bakr left, [realizing that] God had [just] removed the problem he had in his mind. He said to Khawlah, "Call the Messenger of God." She called him and he came. Abu Bakr married [‘A’ishah] to him when she was [only] six years old. (The History of Al-Tabari: The Last Years of the Prophet, translated and annotated by Ismail K. Poonawala [State University of New York Press, Albany 1990], Volume IX, pp. 129-130)
  
  ‘A’ishah states: We came to Medina and Abu Bakr took up quarters in al-Sunh among the Banu al-Harith b. al-Khazraj. The Messenger of God came to our house and men and women of the Ansar gathered around him. My mother came to me WHILE I WAS BEING SWUNG ON A SWING BETWEEN TWO BRANCHES AND GOT ME DOWN. Jumaymah, my nurse, took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door, she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was then brought [in] while the Messenger of God was sitting on a bed in our house. [My mother] made me sit on his lap and said, "These are your relatives. May God bless you with them and bless them with you!" Then the men and women got up and left. The Messenger of God consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me. Only Sa‘d b. ‘Ubaidah sent a bowl of food which he used to send to the Messenger of God.
  
  ‘Ali b. Nasr- ‘Abd al-Samad b. ‘Abd al-Warith- ‘Abd al-Warith b. ‘Abd al-Samad- his father- Aban al-‘Attar- Hisham b. ‘Urwah- ‘Urwah: He wrote to ‘Abd al-Malik b. Marwan stating that he had written to him about Khadijah bt. Khuwaylid, asking him about when she died. She died three years or close to that before the Messenger of God’s departure from Mecca, and he married ‘A’ishah after Khadijah’s death. The Messenger of God saw ‘A’ishah twice- [first when] it was said to him that she was his wife (she was six years old at that time), and later [when] he consummated she was nine years old.
  
  (The report goes back to Hisham b. Muhammad. See above, I, 1766). Then the Messenger of God married ‘A’ishah bt. Abi Bakr, whose name is ‘Atiq b. Abi Quhafah, who is ‘Uthman, and is called ‘Abd al-Rahman b. ‘Uthman b. ‘Amir b. ‘Amir b. Ka‘b b. Sa‘d b. Taym b. Murrah: [The Prophet] married her three years before the Emigration, when she was seven years old, and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, after he had emigrated to Medina in Shawwal. She was eighteen years old when he died. The Messenger of God did not marry any maiden except her. (The History of al-Tabari, Volume IX, pp. 130-131)
  
  ‘A’ishah, daughter of Abu Bakr.
  
  Her mother was Umm Ruman bt. ‘Umayr b. ‘Amr, of the Banu Duhman b. al-Harith b. Ghanm b. Malik b. Kinanah.
  
  The Prophet married ‘A’ishah in Shawwal in the tenth year after the [beginning of his] prophethood, three years before Emigration. He consummated the marriage in Shawwal, eight months after Emigration. On the day he consummated the marriage with her she was nine years old.
  
  According to Ibn ‘Umayr [al-Waqidi]- Musa b. Muhammad b. ‘Abd al-Rahman- Raytah- ‘Amrah [bt. ‘Abd al-Rahman b. Sa’d]: ‘A’ishah was asked when the Prophet consummated his marriage with her, and she said:
  
  The Prophet left us and his daughters behind when he emigrated to Medina. Having arrived at Medina, he sent Zayd b. Harithah and his client Abu Rafi’ for us. He gave them two camels and 500 dirhams he had taken from Abu Bakr to buy [other] beasts they needed. Abu Bakr sent with them ‘Abdallah b. Urayqit al-Dili, with two or three camels. He wrote to [his son] ‘Abdallah b. Abi Bakr to take his wife Umm Ruman, together with me and my sister Asma’, al-Zubayr’s wife, [and leave for Medina]. They all left [Medina] together, and when they arrived at Qudayd Zayd b. Harithah bought three camels with those 500 dirhams. All of them then entered Mecca, where they met Talhah b. ‘Ubaydallah on his way to leave town, together with Abu Bakr’s family. So we all left: Zayd b. Harithah, Abu Rafi’, Fatimah, Umm Kulthum, and Sawdah bt. Zam‘ah. Ayd mounted Umm Ayman and [his son] Usamah b. Zayd on a riding beast; ‘Abdallah b. Abi Bakr took Umm Ruman and his two sisters, and Talhah b. ‘Ubaydallah came [too]. We all went together, and when we reached Bayd in Tamanni my camel broke loose. I was sitting in the litter together with my mother, and she started exclaiming "Alas, my daughter, alas [you] bride"; then they caught up with our camel, after it had safely descended the Lift. We then arrived at Medina, and I stayed with Abu Bakr’s children, and [Abu Bakr] went to the Prophet. The latter was then busy building the mosque and our homes around it, where he [later] housed his wives. We stayed in Abu Bakr’s house for a few days; then Abu Bakr asked [the Prophet] "O Messenger of God, what prevents you from consummating the marriage with your wife?" The Prophet said "The bridal gift (sadaq)." Abu Bakr gave him the bridal gift, twelve and a half ounces [of gold], and the Prophet sent for us. He consummated our marriage in my house, the one where I live now and where he passed away. (The History of Al-Tabari: Biographies of the Prophet’s Companions and Their Successors, translated by Ella Landau-Tasseron [State University of New York Press, Albany 1998], Volume XXXIX, pp. 171-173; underline emphasis ours)
  
  IBN KATHIR
  
  Yunus b. Bukayr stated, from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father who said, "The Messenger of God (SAAS) married ‘A’isha three years after (the death of) Khadija. At that time (of the contract) ‘A’isha had been a girl of six. When he married her she was nine. The Messenger of God (SAAS) died when ‘A’isha was a girl of eighteen. "
  
  This tradition is considered gharib (unique in this line).
  
  Al-Bukhari had related, from ‘Ubayd b. Isma‘il, from Abu Usama, from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father, who said, "Khadija died three years before the emigration of the Prophet (SAAS). He allowed a couple of years or so to pass after that, and then he contracted marriage with ‘A’isha when she was six, thereafter consummating marriage with her when she was nine years old."
  
  What ‘Urwah stated here is mursal, incomplete, as we mentioned above, but in its content it must be judged as muttasil, uninterrupted.
  
  His statement, "He contracted marriage with ‘A’isha when she was six, thereafter consummating marriage with her when she was nine" IS NOT DISPUTED BY ANYONE, and is well established in the sahih collections of traditions and elsewhere.
  
  He consummated marriage with her during the second year following the emigration to Medina.
  
  His contracting marriage with her took place some three years after Khadija’s death, though there is disagreement over this.
  
  The hafiz Ya‘qub b. Sufyan stated, "Al-Hajjaj related to us, that Hammad related to him, from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father, from ‘A’isha, who said, ‘The Messenger of God (SAAS), contracted marriage with me (after) Khadija’s death and before his emigration from Mecca, when I was six years old. After we arrived in Medina some women came to me while I was playing on a swing; my hair was like that of a boy. They dressed me up and put make-up on me, then took me to the Messenger of God (SAAS), and he consummated our marriage. I was a girl of nine.’"
  
  The statement here "muttawaffa Khadija", "Khadija’s death" has to mean that it was shortly thereafter. Unless, that is, the word, ba‘da, "after", originally preceded this phrase and had been omitted from the account. The statement made by Yunus b. Bukayr and Abu Usama from Hisham b. ‘Urwa, from his father, is, therefore, not refuted. But God knows best. (Ibn Kathir, The Life of the Prophet Muhammad (Al-Sira al-Nabawiyya), Volume II, translated by professor Trevor Le Gassick, reviewed by Dr. Muneer Fareed [Garnet Publishing Limited, 8 Southern Court, south Street Reading RG1 4QS, UK; The Center for Muslim Contribution to Civilization, first paper edition, 2000], pp. 93-94)
  
  IBN QAYYIM
  
  Next, the Prophet… married Um Abdallah, Aishah, as-Siddiqah (the truthful one), daughter of as-Siddiq (the truthful one) Abu Bakr ibn Abi Qu’hafah, whom Allah has exonerated from above the seven heavens. ‘Aishah bint Abu Bakr was the beloved wife of the Prophet… The angel showed Aishah… to the Prophet… while she was wrapped in a piece of silk cloth, before he married her, and said to him. "This is your wife." The Prophet… married Aishah… during the lunar month of Shawwal, when she was six, and consummated the marriage in the first year after the Hijrah, in the month of Shawwal, when she was nine. The Prophet… did not marry any virgin, except Aishah… and the revelation never came to him while he was under the blanket with any of his wives, except Aishah. (Ibn Qayyim Al-Juaziyyah, Zad-ul Ma’ad fi Hadyi Khairi-l ‘Ibad (Provisions for the Hereafter, From the Guidance of Allah’s Best Worshipper), translated by Jalal Abualrub, edited by Alaa Mencke & Shaheed M. Ali [Madinah Publishers & Distributors, Orlando, Fl: First edition, December 2000], Volume I, pp. 157-158)
  
  MARTIN LINGS
  
  During the same year that followed Khadijah’s death, the Prophet dreamed that he saw a man who was carrying someone wrapped in a piece of silk. The man said to him: "This is thy wife, so uncover her." The Prophet lifted the silk and there was ‘A’ishah. But ‘A’ishah was only six years old, and he had passed his fiftieth year. Moreover Abu Bakr had promised her to Mut‘im for his son Jubayr. The Prophet simply said to himself: "If this be from God, He will bring it to pass." …
  
  Meantime Abu Bakr approached Mut‘im, who was persuaded without difficulty to forgo the marriage of ‘A’ishah to his son; and, some months after the marriage of Sawdah, ‘A’ishah also became the Prophet’s wife, through a marriage contracted by him and her father, at which she herself was not present. She said afterwards, that she had her first inkling of her new status when one day she was playing with her friends outside, not far from their house, and her mother came and too her by the hand and led her indoors, telling her that henceforth she must not go out to play, and that her friends must come to her instead. ‘A’ishah dimly guessed the reason, though her mother did not immediately tell her that she was married; and apart from having to play in their courtyard instead of in the roads, her life continued as before. (Lings, Muhammad: His Life Based on the Earliest Sources [Inner Traditions, International, Ltd.; Rochester Vermont, 1983], pp. 105-106)
  
  The Prophet and his daughters now went to live with Sawda in her new house; and after a month or two it was decided that ‘A’ishah’s wedding should take place. She was then only nine years old, a child of remarkable beauty, as might have been expected from her parentage…
  
  Small preparations were made for the wedding- not enough, at any rate for ‘A’ishah to have had a sense of a great and solemn occasion, and shortly before they were due to leave the house she had slipped out into the courtyard to play with her passing friend. In her own words: "I was playing on a see-saw and my long streaming hair was disheveled. They came and took me from my play and made me ready."
  
  Abu Bakr had bought some fine red-striped cloth from Bahrain and it had been made into a wedding-dress for her. In this they now clothed her. Then her mother took her to the newly built house where some women of the Helpers were waiting for her outside the door. They greeted her with the words "For good and for happiness- may all be well!" and led her into the presence of the Prophet. He stood their smiling and combed her hair and decked her with ornaments. Unlike his other marriages, at this there was no wedding feast… then they all went their ways, and the bridegroom and the bride were left together.
  
  For the last three years scarcely a day had passed by without one or more of ‘A’ishah’s friends coming to play with her in the courtyard adjoining her father’s house. Her removal to the Prophet’s house changed nothing in this respect. Friends now came every day to visit her in her own apartment – new friends made since her arrival in Medina and also some of the old ones whose parents, like hers, had emigrated. "I would be playing with my dolls," she said, "with the girls who were my friends, and the Prophet would come in and they would steal out of the house and he would go out after them and bring them back, for he was pleased for my sake to have them there." Sometimes he would say "Stay where ye are" before they had time to move. He would also join in their games sometimes, FOR HE LOVED CHILDREN [Sam- meaning Aisha was only a child like them] and had often played with his own daughters. The dolls of puppets had many different roles. "One day," said ‘A’ishah, "the Prophet came in when I was playing with the dolls and he said: ‘O ‘A’ishah, whatever game is this?’ I said: ‘It is Solomon’s horses,’ and he laughed." But sometimes as he came in he would simply screen himself with his cloak so as not to disturb them. (Ibid., pp. 132-134)
  
  SAIF-UR-RAHMAN AL-MUBARAKPURI
  
  3. 'Aishah bint Abu Bakr: He married her in the eleventh year of Prophethood, a year after his marriage to Sawdah, and two years and five months before Al-Hijra. She was six years old when he married her. However, he did not consummate the marriage with her till Shawwal seven months after Al-Hijra, and that was in Madinah. She was nine then. She was the only virgin he married, and the most beloved creature to him. As a woman she was the most learnèd woman in jurisprudence. (Ar-Raheeq Al-Makhtum (THE SEALED NECTAR) Biography of the Noble Prophet, [Maktaba Dar-us-Salam Publishers & Distributors, First Edition 1995], "The Prophetic Household", p. 485; online source; underline emphasis ours)
  
  And here is a religious fatwah that mentions Muhammad’s physical relations with Aisha:
  
  Praise be to Allah and peace be upon the one after whom there is no [further] prophet.
  
  After the permanent committee for the scientific research and fatwahs (religious decrees) reviewed the question presented to the grand Mufti Abu Abdullah Muhammad Al-Shemary, the question forwarded to the committee by the grand scholar of the committee with reference number 1809 issued on 3/8/1421 (Islamic calendar). The inquirer asked the following:
  
  It has become wide spread these days, and especially during weddings, the habit of mufa’khathat of the children (mufa’khathat literally translated means "placing between the thighs" which means placing the male member between the thighs of a child). What is the opinion of scholars knowing full well that the prophet, the peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, also practiced the "thighing" of Aisha – the mother of believers – may Allah be please with her.
  
  After the committee studied the issue, they gave the following reply:
  
  It has not been the practice of the Muslims throughout the centuries to resort to this unlawful practice that has come to our countries from pornographic movies that the kufar (infidels) and enemies of Islam send. As for the prophet, peace and prayer of Allah be upon him, thighing his fiancée Aisha. She was six years of age and he could not have intercourse with her due to her small age. That is why [the prophet] peace and prayer of Allah be upon him placed HIS [MALE] MEMBER BETWEEN HER THIGHS AND MASSAGED IT SOFTLY, as the apostle of Allah had control of his [male] member not like other believers.. (Source: http://www.sout-al-haqe.com/pal/musical/mofakhaza…
  
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Zack

Caution for all those with unprejudiced mind and independent readers: God has given you wisdom to ponder and reflect on Truth only. Throw away all trash wich does not corrobrate with the (Arabic) Qur'an. Antything that is contracts the (Arabic) Qur'an or is not in harmony with the Qur'an cannot be true or relied on in accordance with FINAL TRUTH "Qur'an" the FINAL WORD of ALLAH delivered to all mankind, revealed to the Last and Final Messenger to ALL MANKIND. Even if non-believers in the FINAL Word of God and ALLAH disagree with their God, its immaterial. Anyy hearsays are not admissible even in any courts of Justice. How can you trust anything that is contradictory to Qur'an. It clearly means:

“After me, quotes will be attributed in my name. It will be your sacred duty to check them with the (Arabic) Qur’an. Reject them (and throw those away) if those Quotations disagree with the (Arabic) Qur’an”. (Authority: Muhammad, the Last and Final Messenger to All Mankind).

Indepenedent and unprejudiced readers please read the above Quote once again carefully and diligently. Reject all falshood against (Arabic) Qur'an or against your Last Messenger SENT by your Creator for ALL HUMANITY. Reject all hearsays. That's all. End of responses.
- joe agnost
  
  Zack wrote: "Throw away all trash wich does not corrobrate with the (Arabic) Qur’an. Antything that is contracts the (Arabic) Qur’an or is not in harmony with the Qur’an cannot be true…"
  
  This is why religion is both ridiculous AND dangerous! What kind of lunatic would have you discard something you ~know~ in favor of a centuries old, demonstrably wrong, religious text?? It's crazy!
- Jeff Dixon
  
  These are quotes from the girl herself. I realize you do not want to accept that your prophet was a child molester, but facts are stubborn things.
Zack

Anything against the contents of (Arabic) Qur'an are obviously false. CRITERION between RIGHT and WRONG is Only "(Arabic) Qur'an). It distinguishes Truth from falsehood. Its a distictive Word of God. Allah (God) Himself commanded ALL MANKIND (His creature):

"Watch! This is the (Arabic Qur'an) Word that seperates out Good from evil". (Qur'an 86:13).

God Has Himself taken the guarantee that:

"No falsehood can approach it (the Arabic Qur'an) from before or behind: It is sent down by Allah, the ONE full of Wisdom, Worthy of All Praise" (Qur'an 41:42).

"Nothing is said to you (O Muhammad) that was not already said to the Messengers before you: Surely, that your Lord has, at His Command, all the Forgiveness and also the most painful penalty". (Qur'an 41:43).

Anything that contradicts Qur'an (the FINAL Word of God) is obviously not from God. Likewise any nonsense talked about after Holy Messenger Muhammad after him cannot be from him as such is to be regarded as false if it contradicts in any way either the Word of God "Qur'an' or if it challenges His Last Messenger (Muhammad) whose conduct and character has highly been praised in all the scriptures including Torah, Injeel (Original Aramaic Gospel) and (Arabic) Qur'an.

Don't waste your time on any trash if such quotes contradict the truth (as explained above), always use your intellect and wisdom God has blessed all mankind. Ponder on TRUTH only.
- Jeff
  
  Since you refuse to ponder truth, this is a silly statement from you.
Zack

For open minded readers only who do not discriminate Children of Adam, i.e. All Mankind:

Read: Personality of Muhammad (pbuh) the Last Messenger of Allah by visiting:
http://www.islam-christianity.com