Barack Obama: The man who would be God?
A long-forgotten interview from 2004 provides insight
When writing about Barack Obama’s religious orientation recently, I pointed out that while I do believe he favors Muslim over Western culture, bowing before another — even God — is above his humility grade. I further mentioned that in keeping with this self-centeredness, Obama is (like all leftists) someone who denies moral reality.
Ironically, after penning my piece, I became aware of an interview Obama once gave — one quite relevant to the topic at hand. It was conducted in 2004 by Chicago Sun Times religion reporter Cathleen Falsani while Obama was running for the U.S. Senate, and it offers great insight into the nature of Obama’s “faith.” I think you’ll be interested to hear what he had to say.
The whole interview is infused with typical leftist philoso-babble. Obama says he’s “a big believer in tolerance” and thus looks askance at “certainty” and believes in the necessity “doubt” (an attitude mysteriously absent when pushing health care), bringing to mind G.K. Chesterton’s observation, “Tolerance is the virtue of the man without convictions.” Yet Obama also told Falsani that he had “deep faith.” This might cause some to wonder “In what?” And this brings us to the part of the interview in which he was asked “What is sin?” Here was his answer:
“Being out of alignment with my values.”
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I think Obama needs to be thrown out of office immediatly because he hasn't provided his Birth Certificate. He is Not a Natural Born Citizen amd I am disapointed in the House and Senate for allowing this to go on. He is tearing ou country down piece by piece.
-EddieEddie,
You strike an excellent cord and reverberate a very necessary truism! Only thing is my good fellow all that is happening has been planned. I know it sounds foolish and crazy and "CONSPIRATORIAL" but… its true none the less. Eddie why do really think all this goes on unabated…?
Do you only suppose that no one is watching the till as all the money runs out? Do you really think that no one is SEEING all that is happening as the BANKERS and WALLSTREET all get their goodies and the rest of the country… the world goes to pot???? Really Eddie, REALLY???!?!?!? You are not that stupid though many wouldd want to believe you and I and the rest of the world are… and I really mean that because deep in your heart of hearts you truly believe that something is TERRIBLY wrong. and YOU ARE TERRIBLY RIGHT!!!
Wake up NOW and do something. ANYTHING but do SOMETHING!!! Get on the phone to your Representatives and remind them the TEA PARTY has a very strong foot hold into the door of their livelyhoods!! THEY HAD BETTER BE ON THE SIDE OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO WANT LESS GOVERNEMNT AND LESS TAXATION. This is quickly becomeing our last stand and we need to make it REAL!!!
I approve of this message!!
-Carl J DaubenspeckGreat!!! Carl, well put. Stand up America . Our freedoms are being stripped away one by one. Call for the impeachment of this crazy out of control President. He needs to be locked up with the Terrorist.He is a enemy of the United States of America. It is plan he is NOT AN AMERICAN THEREFORE CAN NOT BE OUR PRESIDENT.ARREST HIM NOW!!!!!! WE MUST BE HEARD AS ONE VOICE AMERICA. AMERICA UNITE. I call on our Military Commanders to step forth and do the right thing. Protect the People of U.S.A. demand this man be impeached NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!
-kadeeDadee I disagree with impeachment. Someone recently wrote that this would be a mistake. We would probably have to give him all the benefits of a president this way. What we need is for him to be declaired ineligible due to his birthright. You see, his father was not a US citizen when BHO was born. His father was born in a British Commonwealth and was therefore a citizen of Britin. This makes BHO a dual citizen and therefore not eligible to be president according to the US Constitution. Being declared ineligible makes anything he has signed into law, or any deals made with foreign governments, null and void.
Personally, I would like to see him found guilty of fraud and tried in a court of law for this crime the same as we would be. If, or when, found guilty, he should be jailed the same as you or I would be. Even better, he could possibly be tried for treason against the USA for some of the things he has said or done.
-KenI AGREE WITH YOU KEN 100%
-LINDAI agree with you Ken – it has been proven to many that via the "certified" birth certificate of BHO is a legitimate document and that in fact he was born in Kenya. His Kenyan Grandmother (mother of his birth father) has testified that she was present at his birth in Kenya. As you say – he is ineligible for the Presidency of the US and is also guilty of deceiving the American people and if proven ineligible – everything he has done to this country will be void – and he will NOT enjoy the benefits of a former President. He's a disgrace to the USA!
-Judy in Missouri1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
MOST OF YOU ARE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES, HATERS AND BIGOTS MASQUERADING AS CHRISTIANS. IF YOU DID A LOT MORE PRAYING AND A LOT LESS COMPLAINING WE WOULD BE A LOT BETTER OFF~~~GOD HELP US ALL!!!!! INSTEAD OF HIDING BEHIND ALL YOUR RHETORIC. SAY IT LIKE IT IS. YOU DON’T LIKE A BLACK MAN BEING PRESIDENT. HE IS ALREADY AND GOD ALLOWED IT SO GET OVER YOUR SELVES.
-Marcia LongWOW!! YOU ARE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES, HATERS AND BIGOTS MASQUERADING AS CHRISTIANS?
YOU DON’T LIKE A BLACK MAN BEING PRESIDENT? GOD ALLOWED IT SO GET OVER YOUR SELVES?
OK..Now just who sounds like a Hypocrite, Hater and Bigot? And talk about Masquerading as a Christian!! You took the time to type out the words about love and faith, but just where is yours? Calling people names and putting them down, and go as far as calling them racist because Obama is a what?….Not just a Black man!, Let me remind you Lady, His Mother was White!!! and so where his Grandparents that raised him after she died. The people of America are up set because Obama LIED to us all! and he is trying his best to over run the people he is suppost to be working for..You know..WE THE PEOPLE! So before you go calling people names take a long look at yourself, and try living by all the words you took the time to type out, and then only to turn around and call people names! No true Christian would do such a thing…Nice try! Shame on you! As I do for Obama, I will do for you, I will pray to God to touch your heart and ask him to help you to see the truth..the light and the love for all man kind…Just so sad!
-Tracy "Baby&quoFather God,
We pray for our nation. We ask for the shroud of protection against those who wish to destroy the sovereignty of this nation and deliverance from those who wish to inflict bondage on our freedom.
Lord, we ask for Americans of every race and religion that believe in the precepts defined in our Republic form of government to come together. We pray that those who respect and proclaim these ideals can look beyond our differences and join as one in this cause.
Father, we ask for forgiveness and wisdom for those individuals in Washington DC that have contributed to the polarity and division that is so destructive to our nation. We ask that Leaders, who are elected to do the will of the people, understand and submit to that duty.
Father God, we ask for a time of healing; a time of getting back to what our Forefathers had in their minds when they created this union. We ask that those who are consumed with hatred will have a softening of their heart and greater understanding of the damage they cause with that hatred.
We ask, Oh Lord, for you to bind the hands and will of the enemy. Lord we join in that call saying, “Get thee behind me, Satan!” We pray that the darkness that currently controls this nation can be lifted.
Father, you have said that if two or more are gathered in your name our prayers will be answered. In the name of Jesus Christ Almighty we pray.
Amen
*You gonna call me a racist, too? Marcia?
-Robert NipperACTUALLY I AM LOOKING FORWARD FOR ALLEN WEST TO WIN IN CONGRESS THIS NOVEMBER IN SOUTH FL…THEN I HOPE HE RUNS FOR PRESIDENT….HES BLACK BUT WANTS TO UPHOLD THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES…HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH RACE ITS HIS ARROGANT POLITICAL SOCIALIST VIEWS I AM AGAINST….GOOGLE ALLEN WEST…WE NEED HIS MORALS FOR THIS COUNTRY
-LINDAYou are the HYPOCRITE — Madame – where are the words of "Love" and especially "TRUTH" – in anything BHO has said or accomplished?
I'm sorry if I missed it as I have watched while he has been tearing up our Constitution, taking away our freedoms and bowing to FALSE GOD's! The color of his skin has nothing to do with the color of his heart – and his heart is not in the best interest of the American people – but in his own "full of himself" attitude and actions!
-Judy in MissouriRobert,
I really appreciate your prayer. No, i will not call you a bigot. Notice, I did not say all, I said most. I do not feel badly about the words that I chose,Jesus used similar ones.
16And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
17Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Caesar, or not?
18But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.
22When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.
We are acting as if President Obama is more powerful that our God. I hear people hoping that this one gets elected or that one gets elected. Who are we dependent on, the person who gets elected? the Democrats? The Republicans? or our ALMIGHTY, ALL KNOWING, ALL POWERFUL GOD? One thing that 9/11 should have taught us is that our safety is not in Presidents, or Armies or governments.
"if my people, who are called by my name…." Sadly, It seems that we are more passionate about making changes in in our own strength than following the mandate to humble ourselves and pray and seek his face so HE can heal our land.
Thank you for praying for me my brother and for your obedience in praying for our country.
-Marcia LongThe bigger problem for christians is the gods in the churches called 'pastors'. Look up Nicolaitan.
-devon leesleyPastor's are indeed a problem in today's church because the congregation tends to look to them for answers instead of looking to the Bible or those who are truly ordained to lead the church – the elders. Pastors exist because we are lazy and see our support of them as our "service" to God. That said, the ignorance and moral depravity that caused us to elect a meglomaniac and God wanna-be like Maobama to the presidency is going to destroy America if we don't repent and return to God.
-BobberBobber–I certainly agree.
–Jeff Lovitt, minister, Morganton church of Christ
-Jeff LovittChildren of The Living G-d, get on your knees and start praying. We can do this i as the children of G-d to call upon our Father in times of trouble and we are in trouble real trouble like we have never seen before. We were told how to take care of this. PRAY, PRAY AND PRAY. FAST, DEMAND THAT OUR FATHER SEND OUR SAVIOR NOW!!!!!!!!!! Day and night. Forget the Pastors they are barking dogs. Only concerned with they own little world. Where are they now??
-kadeeI think the Presbyterians have the best idea in this regard – each congregation has a teaching elder (the minister) and ruling elders – so there is teaching authority and administrative authority. My understanding of an elder is a man who is not necessarily older in age but in spiritual maturation. I also believe that male leadership is the ordinary biblical pattern. Men – in the family or the church – are servant leaders, not egomaniacs.
-A T Coxdevon,
Generalizations are dangerous things. No pastor is regarded as a god in their churches; some may act like it, though, but these certainly are in the minority. As to the term Nicolaitan, I think you are misinformed.
-Jeff Lovitt09-22-10
If Obama is considered a "god" , or is treated godlike, it is because his minions wish this to be so. I'm sure Obama (bpoh) does
not consider himself a "god" but I could be wrong. Mitt Romney, on the other hand, believes he is a god (in embryo) or will become
one (receive his "Exaltation: Godhood). A favorite Mormon saying: As man is–God once was; As God is man may become. (Lorenzo
Snow Couplet).
-Vern CavinThat's part of what makes Mormonism a cult. God never promised us that we'd become like him or that the men would have goddesses and be able to populate their own planets! Joseph Smith started all that nonsense! Both the Mormons and Muslims incorporate sex into their "religion". The Mormons with becoming "gods" and the Muslims believing that they'll receive 67 (or however many it is) virginis in paradise. I wonder what the women are supposed to get in paradise when they martyr themselves. Maybe 67 virgin men?!
-CynthiaGod say above all else have common sence. So what happened to that. Can the Muslims not think. "Oh, once I have had sex with all of the 21 vergins then what. They are all like other married women. No longer vergins. Now is that really something to die for? 21 vergins will not last that long.
Blessings
-Anni AnnNope. Just a used dildo with a run down battery.
-das aardvarkCynthia, what about Romans 8:16-17? What about Genesis 22:17? If we are heirs, will we not receive what our Father has? If we will have innumerable seed, will we not have posterity after this life? What is the purpose of this life if these things are not true? Why are these "false" scriptures in the Bible if they are not true? Do you pick and choose which parts of the Bible you want to believe? Is there any part in the Bible that says that our progression WILL be damned in heaven? For if we are to eternally progress, would we not eventually attain exaltation?
-Carl PrinceThe article is on the nail!
-DevasahayamApparently devon leesley has never been in a real church with real Christians. We only worship God, now out pastor and certainly not our President.
-MartiObama IS a Anti-Christ, but NOT the Anti-Christ we are all awaiting to come on the scene and take control of the World. Tolerance has brought us down to this sad and sinful oppressed Country we are to-day. Does the People have any hope of the Future, the answer is both YES and NO.
The hopes of America ever coming back and being a Great and non-tolerant Nation as it was 50 or so plus years back. The answer is found in History and Holy Scriptures, and that answer is NO. Every-thing is for but a Season, and America's Season is coming to it's close fast. The American People setting back and allowing Tolerance in creep in and over ride God and His Word, has allowed the United States to go over that Water Fall of Life, and now we are getting ready to crash when we soon hit the arising fast bottom.
Is there any Hope, YES, but that hope IS NOT for America or any other Country around this World. That HOPE is for the People and Claiming to be Churches Incs. which have become the Churches of Laodiceans, to come back to God and gain the HOPE of Eternal Salvation in the Life Coming for everyone of us, be it in Heaven or Hell.
The Rapture of the Saints before the Tribulation Period starts. Came into being around 1885 when Books were removed from the Bibles causing a large amount of New Titled Names and Denominations Beliefs to spring up with different Twists to reach their New Ways and Beliefs, and that grow number is far less, but still out there to-day anyway.
To-day, it is hard to find any Christian or Church who wants to get back to the Ways of our NEVER CHANGING God and His Son in whom all this were Created and set-forth, including God's Ways from the Beginning. EZEKIEL who was in Captivity and not in Israel was made a Watchman by God, to WARN People and God's House, which was NOT Israel, but God's People who Follow Him and His Ways. God's House is God's People in and from any part of God's World (Paul also making it clear who is a Jew in God's Eyes). So in and of this House of God's, He is only going to save a REMANT of all those Claiming to be His, but are not, and have been in the ways of the SIX Churches in the Book of Revelation that failed on God's Grade Card, and are now in the ways of the Laodiceans and not in the Philadelphia Church in which God WILL Save in the End. ,, God Bless, Jimmie
-Jimmie KingObama is a legend in his own mind. The actual antichrist, when he comes, won't need a teleprompter. Trust me!
-CynthiaYou know your bible well, and the story was well written…we all need to keep our faith for Satan's army is running strong.
-TeresaJimmie, may I please ask what denomination you are connected with. I find what you said Very interesting.
-PatriciaBarack Hussein Obama, a.k.a. Barry Soetoro, citizen of Indonesia, Kenya or what have you is an Impostor, a Big Liar, a Bad Muslim, he is not a real Christian, an arrogant imbecile, a first class egotist, a Community Organizer with Communist roots who wants to bring down what Our Founders Fathers fought for,
He ought to be impeached for all his lies and abuse of power, etc.,
I concur with Jesse (Jackal) Jackson when either in 2007 or 2008 said about Obama:
"I will cut his ball off",
A M E N,
Luis D. Rey, NYC
-Luis D ReyObama was never a citizen of Indonesia nor did he have an Indonesian passport, as a call to the Indonesian Embassy in Washington will confirm (ask for the press officer). Also he never legally changed his name either in Indonesia or in Hawaii.
-GraniteRe: "I think Obama needs to be thrown out of office immediatly because he hasn’t provided his Birth Certificate. "
Obama has provided the Certification of Live Birth, which is the OFFICIAL birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people every year. And the facts on that document–that Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961–were confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii, and most recently were confirmed again by the governor of Hawaii, a Republican. Obama's Kenyan grandmother never said that he was born in Kenya. She said repeatedly in the taped interview that he was born in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time. And, she said in another interview that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama's birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
-GraniteNewflash! A COBL is NOT the same as an actual birth certificate! It can be obtained by anyone who asks for it and is usually given to children born outside Hawaii. And, yes, he was a resident of Indonesia. He said so himself. He attended school there. His stepfather, who later adopted him, was from there.
-CynthiaA COLB is a birth certificate. It is now the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people every year. You cannot get now nor could you in 1961 get a birth certificate that said on it "born in Hawaii" unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii. Obama's COLB says that he was born in Hawaii. And that is the fact that the officials in Hawaii and the governor of Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed.
There is no proof that Obama was ever adopted. He certainly was never a citizen of Indonesia, as the Indonesian government has said.
-Sandy1. The Certificate of Birth is not correct to begin with (which can be obtained 3 ways), and his btw was laser printed and the back side was dated June 6, 2007.
2. The newspaper announcements of his birth in hawaii was his grandparents home, his parents lived in different homes, no proof from health dept. can be given.
3. There have been published reports from 2 different hospitals claiming that Obama was born there in Hawaii.
4. In 1982 Hawaii enacted a law, Act 182, that created a new way for Hawaiians to obtain original birth documents. If Obama applied as an adult under this act, he would be admitting he was born overseas.
5. Public challenges of Obamas eligibility have come under fire by Kenya's Ambassador to the US, numerous african papers, his own grandmother, and his own wife.
6. It's possible that anyone born w/dual citizenship cannot satisfy the Constitution's "natural born citizen" requirement. People become dual citizens when their parents are citizens of two different countries. Whether Obama is an American citizen or not, all parties agree that under the British Nationality Act of 1948, Obama was, as his father's son, a subject of the United Kingdom and Colonies at Birth.
7. Regardless of where he was born, Obama may have become an Indonesian citizen as a child. According to Indonesian law, if Obama had been adopted before he turned six he would have automatically become and Indonesian citizen. He even admitted he stopped in Indonesia in 1981 (ck. laws on that) but US has no passport application for him then.
8. In. 1979 & 1980 He attended Occidental College on scholarship….how was it funded?
9. Lawsuits have been filed on his proof of eligability….6 were thrown out by your newly appointed judge Kagan, isn't that convenient.
10. Why the secrecy on records…kindergarten, school…because he did not grow up wealthy, but he was funded to attend good schools…..HOW?
11. The case on-going of fraud with Connecticut Social Security Number beginning with 042 being used by Obama……if you or I broke the law using a dead persons ss# we would be in jail now…..
12. PLAIN AND SIMPLE….WHEATHER OR NOT THERE IS A LONG FORM, HE AS THE PRESIDENT SHOULD HAVE SHOWN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE LONG AGO! HE IS A LIAR AND THINKS HIMSELF ABOVE THE LAW!
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-TeresaRe: The Certificate of Birth is not correct to begin with (which can be obtained 3 ways), and his btw was laser printed and the back side was dated June 6, 2007.
Answer: There is only one way of obtaining a CertificATION of Live Birth, which has been the official birth certificate of Hawaii since 2001, that is to apply at the Hawaiian DOH. There is only one way of obtaining a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth that says on it “born in Hawaii,” as Obama’s does, and that is to have been born in Hawaii.
It is of course laser printed since it is a modern document, not a copy of the original (which Hawaii stopped doing in 2001). The date on the back is the date that it was printed when Obama asked for his copy back in 2007.
Re: “The newspaper announcements of his birth in hawaii was his grandparents home, his parents lived in different homes, no proof from health dept. can be given.”
Answer: It is perfectly legal to list the legal address of a relative especially when you do not have your own address at that moment.
Re: “There have been published reports from 2 different hospitals claiming that Obama was born there in Hawaii.”
Answer: Obama and his sister have always said Kapiolani. UPI misquoted his sister once, which does not make UPI right. The governor of Hawaii, and this witness (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece) also indicate that Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. But the issue is whether he was born in Hawaii, not what hospital he was born at. What hospital was Bush or Reagan born at? Who cares?
Re: “In 1982 Hawaii enacted a law, Act 182, that created a new way for Hawaiians to obtain original birth documents. If Obama applied as an adult under this act, he would be admitting he was born overseas.”
Answer: Obama was born in 1961, which is before the act, and even under the act it does not allow Hawaii to issue a birth certificate (or any birth document) that says on it “born in Hawaii” unless there was proof that the person was born in Hawaii. Obama’s says “born in Hawaii, “ which is the fact that the officials and the governor of Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed.
Re: “Public challenges of Obamas eligibility have come under fire by Kenya’s Ambassador to the US, numerous african papers, his own grandmother, and his own wife.”
Answer; the Kenyan ambassador has said that he did not understand the question and has since denied that Obama was born in Kenya. It is understandable that he did not understand the question, since English was not his first language. Moreover, even if he believed that Obama were born in Kenya, his opinion is worthless against the legal document from Hawaii, the repeated confirmations of US officials and this witness ( (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece). But he did not intentionally say that Obama was born in Kenya.
Neither did Obama’s Kenyan grandmother, who was deliberately misquoted by professional birther sites. They cut off the tape just before she was asked the question “Where was he born?” Her answer to that was that it was in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time, and in another interview, she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Michelle also did not say that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that it was his “native country,’ which is the way that Kennedy and Reagan referred to Ireland, the country from which their ancestors came, not the country in which they were born.
-Granite1Re: ‘It’s possible that anyone born w/dual citizenship cannot satisfy the Constitution’s “natural born citizen” requirement. People become dual citizens when their parents are citizens of two different countries.“
Answer: It is impossible because the writers of the Constitution did not believe in dual allegiance. They held that a person had only one allegiance, to the country where she or he was born. Thomas Jefferson actually was a dual national when he was president because he had been made a full citizen (voting rights and the right to serve in government) of France by the French National Assembly during its revolution.
Re; ‘Whether Obama is an American citizen or not, all parties agree that under the British Nationality Act of 1948, Obama was, as his father’s son, a subject of the United Kingdom and Colonies at Birth.”
Answer: Neither dual nationality nor the citizenship of one or two parents affects Natural Born Citizen status. The original meaning of Natural Born was simply “born in the country’ at the time of the writing of the Constitution. The combination of a citizen and a citizen who was born in the country is a Natural Born Citizen under the ORIGINAL definition (McCain MAY have qualified under a later expanded definition that includes children born to US citizens abroad). Only naturalized citizens, US citizens who were neither born in the country nor born to US citizens abroad, are not Natural Born Citizens and hence not eligible to be president.
-Granite1Re: “Regardless of where he was born, Obama may have become an Indonesian citizen as a child. According to Indonesian law,’
Answer. The way to determine whether Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia is to ask the Indonesian Government. The Indonesian Embassy (
Phone (202) 775 – 5200, ask for the press officer) will tell you he was never a citizen of Indonesia.
Re: “if Obama had been adopted before he turned six he would have automatically become and Indonesian citizen…”
Answer: The Indonesian Embassy will also tell you that he was never adopted in Indonesia, which takes the action of a district court, and there are no court documents.
Re; ‘US has no passport application for him then.’
Answer. Obama probably had a US passport when he went to Indonesia the first time with his mother. If not, he traveled on her passport—and that still required that he show proof that he was a US citizen. He CERTAINLY had a US passport when he returned from Indonesia to attend high school, because he traveled without his mother. Also because he did not travel on any other country’s passport. That can be proven because if he had traveled on any other country’s passport, he would have needed a US visa, and that would have had to have been applied for in jakarta, and no such document has been found.
Re: “ In. 1979 & 1980 He attended Occidental College on scholarship….how was it funded?”
Answer: Academic scholarship. There is no proof that he received a scholarship as a foreign student, and he certainly wasn’t an Indonesian citizen.
Re: “Lawsuits have been filed on his proof of eligability….6 were thrown out by your newly appointed judge Kagan, isn’t that convenient.’
Answer: you are losing it. Kagan has not thrown out anything. To be sure there have been about 77 lawsuits against Obama, ALL of which have been thrown out. When 77 lawsuits are thrown out for lack of standing, it surely proves that the law holds that the plaintiffs did not have standing.
Re: “ Why the secrecy on records…kindergarten, school…because he did not grow up wealthy, but he was funded to attend good schools…..HOW?’
Answer: Academic scholarships for the schools. No reason to show the Kindergarden records (has any president shown them?) or grade school records or high school records. No president has shown these. As for college records, a few presidents have shown their grade point averages. None have shown the transcripts that birther cases have demanded. There is no law that says that a president has to show these documents, and McCain certainly did not. So why should Obama?
-Granite1Granite, what troubles me is the lack of any evidence that Obama did anything other than organize in Chicago. We have no birth records, no school records, no health records, no articles written for the Harvard Review. We do have his books, which may have been ghost written by Bill Ayers, some teacher in Hawaii saying he did well on an IQ test, and a few other inconequential ods and ends. Why did he hide his maternal grandmother? He claims it was to protect her from the media attention because she was ill. He did go to see her just before she died but did not go to see her during his Hawaii vacation. Guess he didn't want to strain her then either. She was the only living person who knew all there was to know about him. Those secrets died with her.
As far as records , Obama demanded John McCain produce his medical records, dems had demanded Bush produce his military records, and his school records but Obama is above all this.
Show me something concrete. Me thinks you protest to loudly without proof. Maybe, since you are in Obama's camp, you could convince him to give us a small peek at his real long form birth certificate, an article for the Harvard Review and maye a few of his college transcripts. Do you think you could do that? That would be concrete proof. Further more it would show he is not hiding anything.
-JohnRe;'We have no birth records, no school records, no health records, no articles written for the Harvard Review. We do have his books, which may have been ghost written by Bill Ayers, some teacher in Hawaii saying he did well on an IQ test, and a few other inconequential ods and ends. Why did he hide his maternal grandmother?
Answer. BIg deal. Did we have any of that stuff for Hoover or FDR or LBJ? We voted for him. He is going to be president until January 2013.
Re; 'You could convince him to give us a small peek at his real long form birth certificate….?)
Answer: NO because Hawaii does not send it out anymore. It did not send it to him, and it might not send it to him if he asked for it again. It does not send it out to ANYONE.
As for the transcripts. No president has ever voluntarily shown them (Bush's was leaked). So, why should Obama? In the next presidential election, if the Republican shows her or his transcripts, you can be sure that Obama will show his. The chances of the Republican showing her or his transcript are pretty slim.
-GraniteRe: The Certificate of Birth is not correct to begin with (which can be obtained 3 ways), and his btw was laser printed and the back side was dated June 6, 2007.
Answer: There is only one way of obtaining a CertificATION of Live Birth, which has been the official birth certificate of Hawaii since 2001, that is to apply at the Hawaiian DOH. There is only one way of obtaining a Hawaiian Certification of Live Birth that says on it “born in Hawaii,” as Obama’s does, and that is to have been born in Hawaii.
It is of course laser printed since it is a modern document, not a copy of the original (which Hawaii stopped doing in 2001). The date on the back is the date that it was printed when Obama asked for his copy back in 2007.
Re: “The newspaper announcements of his birth in hawaii was his grandparents home, his parents lived in different homes, no proof from health dept. can be given.”
Answer: It is perfectly legal to list the legal address of a relative especially when you do not have your own address at that moment.
Re: “There have been published reports from 2 different hospitals claiming that Obama was born there in Hawaii.”
Answer: Obama and his sister have always said Kapiolani. UPI misquoted his sister once, which does not make UPI right. The governor of Hawaii, and this witness (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece) also indicate that Obama was born at Kapiolani Hospital. But the issue is whether he was born in Hawaii, not what hospital he was born at. What hospital was Bush or Reagan born at? Who cares?
-GraniteRe: “In 1982 Hawaii enacted a law, Act 182, that created a new way for Hawaiians to obtain original birth documents. If Obama applied as an adult under this act, he would be admitting he was born overseas.”
Answer: Obama was born in 1961, which is before the act, and even under the act it does not allow Hawaii to issue a birth certificate (or any birth document) that says on it “born in Hawaii” unless there was proof that the person was born in Hawaii. Obama’s says “born in Hawaii, “ which is the fact that the officials and the governor of Hawaii have repeatedly confirmed.
Re: “Public challenges of Obamas eligibility have come under fire by Kenya’s Ambassador to the US, numerous african papers, his own grandmother, and his own wife.”
Answer; the Kenyan ambassador has said that he did not understand the question and has since denied that Obama was born in Kenya. It is understandable that he did not understand the question, since English was not his first language. Moreover, even if he believed that Obama were born in Kenya, his opinion is worthless against the legal document from Hawaii, the repeated confirmations of US officials and this witness ( (http://www.buffalonews.com/incoming/article137495.ece). But he did not intentionally say that Obama was born in Kenya.
Neither did Obama’s Kenyan grandmother, who was deliberately misquoted by professional birther sites. They cut off the tape just before she was asked the question “Where was he born?” Her answer to that was that it was in Hawaii, where his father was studying at the time, and in another interview, she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of Obama’s birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Michelle also did not say that Obama was born in Kenya. She said that it was his “native country,’ which is the way that Kennedy and Reagan referred to Ireland, the country from which their ancestors came, not the country in which they were born.
Re: ‘It’s possible that anyone born w/dual citizenship cannot satisfy the Constitution’s “natural born citizen” requirement. People become dual citizens when their parents are citizens of two different countries.“
Answer: It is impossible because the writers of the Constitution did not believe in dual allegiance. They held that a person had only one allegiance, to the country where she or he was born. Thomas Jefferson actually was a dual national when he was president because he had been made a full citizen (voting rights and the right to serve in government) of France by the French National Assembly during its revolution.
Re; ‘Whether Obama is an American citizen or not, all parties agree that under the British Nationality Act of 1948, Obama was, as his father’s son, a subject of the United Kingdom and Colonies at Birth.”
Answer: Neither dual nationality nor the citizenship of one or two parents affects Natural Born Citizen status. The original meaning of Natural Born was simply “born in the country’ at the time of the writing of the Constitution. The combination of a citizen and a citizen who was born in the country is a Natural Born Citizen under the ORIGINAL definition (McCain MAY have qualified under a later expanded definition that includes children born to US citizens abroad). Only naturalized citizens, US citizens who were neither born in the country nor born to US citizens abroad, are not Natural Born Citizens and hence not eligible to be president.
Re: “Regardless of where he was born, Obama may have become an Indonesian citizen as a child. According to Indonesian law,’
Answer. The way to determine whether Obama was ever a citizen of Indonesia is to ask the Indonesian Government. The Indonesian Embassy (
Phone (202) 775 – 5200, ask for the press officer) will tell you he was never a citizen of Indonesia.
Re: “if Obama had been adopted before he turned six he would have automatically become and Indonesian citizen…”
Answer: The Indonesian Embassy will also tell you that he was never adopted in Indonesia, which takes the action of a district court, and there are no court documents.
Re; ‘US has no passport application for him then.’
Answer. Obama probably had a US passport when he went to Indonesia the first time with his mother. If not, he traveled on her passport—and that still required that he show proof that he was a US citizen. He CERTAINLY had a US passport when he returned from Indonesia to attend high school, because he traveled without his mother. Also because he did not travel on any other country’s passport. That can be proven because if he had traveled on any other country’s passport, he would have needed a US visa, and that would have had to have been applied for in jakarta, and no such document has been found.
Re: “ In. 1979 & 1980 He attended Occidental College on scholarship….how was it funded?”
Answer: Academic scholarship. There is no proof that he received a scholarship as a foreign student, and he certainly wasn’t an Indonesian citizen.
Re: “Lawsuits have been filed on his proof of eligability….6 were thrown out by your newly appointed judge Kagan, isn’t that convenient.’
Answer: you are losing it. Kagan has not thrown out anything. To be sure there have been about 77 lawsuits against Obama, ALL of which have been thrown out. When 77 lawsuits are thrown out for lack of standing, it surely proves that the law holds that the plaintiffs did not have standing.
Re: “ Why the secrecy on records…kindergarten, school…because he did not grow up wealthy, but he was funded to attend good schools…..HOW?’
Answer: Academic scholarships for the schools. No reason to show the Kindergarden records (has any president shown them?) or grade school records or high school records. No president has shown these. As for college records, a few presidents have shown their grade point averages. None have shown the transcripts that birther cases have demanded. There is no law that says that a president has to show these documents, and McCain certainly did not. So why should Obama?
-GraniteThere is only one birth certificate currently issued by Hawaii, the Certification of Live Birth. You cannot obtain one of these, or any birth dlocument, that indicates that you were born in Hawaii, unless there was proof that you were born in Hawaii.
-SandyGranite you say that Certificate of Live Birth was confirmed twice. It would be interesting to learn just how this was accomplished since that certificate has no name of hospital nor attending doctor. How was this birth confirmed when they have no idea as to which hospital he was born in. Nor can it be confirmed by signiture of a doctor. Even you can obtain the same certificate if you wish. Doesn't mean he was born in Hawaii. Only means that he was born alive and was in Hawaii at some point in time.
Perhaps it should also be mentioned that his father was not a US citizen and his mother was too young to have confered citizenship therefore, Barrak would have been a dual citizen of the UK and maybe the USA. I say " maybe" because there is an outside chance that he really was born in Hawaii. His father being British and being born in Hawaii would make him dual citizen. The Constitution does not allow dual citizenship of a US president.
-KenRe: 'Ganite you say that Certificate of Live Birth was confirmed twice. It would be interesting to learn just how this was accomplished since that certificate has no name of hospital nor attending doctor. How was this birth confirmed when they have no idea as to which hospital he was born in. Nor can it be confirmed by signiture of a doctor. Even you can obtain the same certificate if you wish. Doesn’t mean he was born in Hawaii. Only means that he was born alive and was in Hawaii at some point in time.
The first confirmation said that there was an ORIGINAL birth certificate in the files. The second said that the document in the files VERIFIES that Obama was born in Hawaii. The signature of the doctor is on the original birth certificate. You may ask 'Why can't I see it?" The answer is that Hawaii does not send it out anymore. The Certification is the legal document. That document and the confirmations of the officials are sufficient.
Re: "I say ” maybe” because there is an outside chance that he really was born in Hawaii. "
Answer. He WAS born in Hawaii, as the official birth certificate and the confirmations of the officials and the witness and his Kenyan grandmother all say. And there is no proof that he was born in Kenya.
If a person were born in Kenya, she or he would need a US travel document to get to the USA. That would be either a US visa on a foreign passport or the change to his mother's US passport to include him. One or the other would have had to have been applied for at a US Consulate in Kenya and granted before the child would be allowed to enter the USA.
If such a document existed, it would be easy to find because the records of the application for the visa or for the change to the mother's passport would still be in the files of the US State Department, filed under applications for visas and applications for changes to passports in Kenya in 1961. The Republicans were in charge of the US State Department until January 2009. No such document has been found. No such document exists.
Re dual nationality. it has no effect on Natural Born Citizen status. The writers of the Constitution believed that a person had only one allegiance, to the country where she or he was born.
-Granite1Re: "Even you can obtain the same certificate if you wish. Doesn’t mean he was born in Hawaii. Only means that he was born alive and was in Hawaii at some point in time. '
Answer: Neither I nor you nor anyone can get a Certification of Live Birth that says on it "born in Hawaii" (as Obama's does) unless there was proof that the child actually was born in Hawaii.
-Granite1LEAVE THIS OBAMA ALONE! THIS WRITER IS NOTHING BUT A RACIST!!!
-RonnyRacist is a term used only by the ignorant and evil who seek to hide the truth by intimidation.
-BobberWell said, Bobber
-Jewelbobber you are so right, just like the (chosen one -obama) during his campaign speeches I love the way he threw his WHITE GRANDMOTHER UNDER THE BUS) the lady that loved him and took care of him. Here goes – THE SPEECH THAT SAID HIS WHITE GRANDMOTHER WOULD BE AFRAID IF SHE WAS WALKING ON A STREET AND SAW A COUPLE OF BLACK MEN UP AHEAD. I HAVE NEWS FOR YOU OBAMA – YOU WOULD TOO, SO WOULD A BLACK,BLACK,BLACK OLDER WOMAN. Also your white grandmother that raised you and loved you WOULD HAVE BEEN AFRAID IF SHE WERE WALKING BY HERSELF AND THE COUPLE OF MEN HAPPENED TO BE WHITE. LIAR,LIAR,LIAR OBAMA-SHAME ON YOU. HE FEELS NO SHAME AS HE IS ANTI=CHRIST HIMSELF.
-WandaWELL SAID BOBBER! LOL
-KenJust as infidel, pagan, amoral and blasphemy are used by the religious to try and intimidate those that dare to disagree with them.
-JeffRonny
Out of the heart the mouth speaks. So in your heart you saying Racist. The ones yelling racist is the ones that are that.
Blessings
-Anni AnnI'll leave Obama alone when he leaves the USA alone.
-MikeMarti, I've been with real christians just not in a truley N.T. gathering patterned after Paul's directions for the same. Read 1Cor. 12 and then tell me if you know of any 'gathering' that is similar. Not perfect. Similar.
-devon leesleyRonny, if i have a problem with bank robbers does that make me robberaphobic? If I have a problem with Obama's destroying America that does not make me a racist. Please grow a clue. Debate the issues, don't call names.
-devon leesleyA Certification of Live Birth is NOT a Birth Certificate. The former just states you were born and was given to Intonesian children and other foreign children when they moved to Hawaii. It does NOT mean these foreigners were born in Hawaii. A Birth Certificate states the name of the hospital and the physician. Obama has spent almost $2 million in legal fees to keep his Birth Certificate secret? Why? And, why is he getting away with this charade?
-lizRe: "A Certification of Live Birth is NOT a Birth Certificate."
Actually, it is. It is the OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE OF HAWAII, and thousands of people use it every year. Hawaii has not sent out any other birth certificate since the Certification of Live Birth was made the official birth certificate in 2001.
Re: " The former just states you were born and was given to Intonesian children and other foreign children when they moved to Hawaii. I"
Answer. Nuts. Hawaii does not now and did not in 1961 give Certifications of Live Birth or in fact ANY birth document that said "born in Hawaii on it" unless there was proof that the child was born in Hawaii. Obama's Certification of Live Birth–the official birth certificate–says on it "b orn in Hawaii," and that is the fact that has been confirmed twice by the officials in Hawaii, and most recently by the governor of Hawaii.
Re: "A Birth Certificate states the name of the hospital and the physician. "
Answer: No. only long-form birth certificates state the name of the hospital and the physician. Most states have not adopted short-form birth certificates. That is what Hawaii did in 2001 and ever since then it did not send out copies of the original birth certificate, even to people who were born before 2001.
Re: "Obama has spent almost $2 million in legal fees to keep his Birth Certificate secret? Why?"
Answer: Because it is a myth that he spent $X million or anything on keeping his birth certificate secret. There has never been a lawsuit against Obama for his birth certificate. The funds you refer to were virtually all spent fighting lawsuits that tried to stop the election, stop the Electoral College from voting, stop the Congress from certifying the election or to stop the Inauguration. A few remaining lawsuits asked for the birth certificate AND for such things as Obama's college transcripts and the places where he lived while he was in college. Obama does not have to provide this information. There is no law that says that he does. Obama has shown the OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE of Hawaii. He has not fought lawsuits to hide the official birth certificate, which would have been accepted by any court. If there had been a lawsuit just for the birth certificate, he would have provided the Certification, and the court would have accepted it, but there was NO such case.
The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate. By the way, in the "birther bill," the legislation that about seven Republicans have sponsored calling for future candidates for president to show their place of birth, it calls for the OFFICIAL birth certificate, not the original birth certificate.
-GraniteMy son was born in Hawaii and we have a long form birth certificatejissued in 1988. We also have cerified copies of his long form birth certificate that we requested by mail at a later date. COLB is only proof of birth and was given to anyone who had documents to prove saied birth without regard to where the birth took place. This form is not even acceptable in Hawaii for legal applications asa it does not state place of birth or prove citizenship.
-JohnHawaii stopped sending out long form certificates in 2001. The Certification of Live Birth is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, accepted as proof of birth in Hawaii by ALL the departments of Hawaii (yes even DHHL, I checked), and it is accepted as proof of birth in the USA by the US State Department and the branches of the military. Thousands of people use it every year.
Hawaii does not now and did not in 1961 allow birth documents of any kind to be issued that said on them that the person was BORN IN HAWAII unless there was proof that the person was born in Hawaii. Obama's says on it that he was born in Hawaii, and that is the fact that the officials in Hawaii have confirmed twice and the governor of Hawaii, Linda Lingle, a Republican.
-GraniteAnd Obama always tells the turh? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
-KenJohn: YOU are correct, Granite is making stuff up. COLB IS issued and documents that a person WAS in fact BORN. We agree that obama was born. No kidding. The original birth certificate for obama is said to be in possession of state authorities in HI, has been SEEN by state officials, but NO ONE will release it. W H Y ? There is NO REASON for not releasing it, if he was born there, no reason whatsoever.
-TEDDYBALLGAMEThe COLB is the official birth certificate of Hawaii, used by thousands of people every year to prove that they were born in the USA.
The Wall Street Journal said:
"The birthers have also misrepresented the law in the claims they have made about Obama’s birth certificate. In truth, Obama has proved that he is a native of Hawaii, and this proof would hold up in any legal or administrative proceeding.
In order to explain the birthers’ deception on this point, it is necessary to delve into the arcana of Hawaiian vital records. The document that Obama has released, which carries the title “certification of live birth,” confirms that the president was born in Honolulu. It is a legal birth certificate, and, as the Honolulu Star-Bulletin notes, it is the only kind of birth certificate the state of Hawaii issues.
FactCheck.org has a close-up photo of the certificate, which states clearly at the bottom: “This copy serves as prima facie evidence of the fact of birth in any court proceeding.” If a court were somehow to take up the question of Obama’s eligibility, then, the birth certificate would almost certainly be sufficient to resolve the question in his favor. The opposing side would have to provide serious evidence calling into question the veracity of Hawaii’s official state records. Innuendo and hearsay would not be admissible.
Further, if Congress were to pass the so-called birther bill, Obama would be able to comply easily. The bill would require presidential campaigns to submit “a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate” to the Federal Election Commission. The certificate Obama has released publicly would meet this requirement."
And it concluded: "Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn."
There are two reasons why Obama does not provide the original birth certificate. The first is that the OFFICIAL birth certificate is sufficient (especially since it is what is called for in the "birther bill'). The second is that Hawaii does not send it out anymore. As for their being no reason not to send out the original anymore. That is Hawaii's decision. Not Obama's. Hawaii has decided that it will not send out the original anymore to ANYONE, even to people born before it became the original birth certificate. You can petition Hawaii to change its mind on this, but it probably resents the idea that there is anything wrong with its OFFICIAL birth certificate. And, if Hawaii were to release the original, it would simply show that Obama was indeed born in Honolulu, Hawaii, as the officials have repeatedly said.
-Granite1Obama's statement basically says that we should develope our own set of moral standards, and then if we go against them, that is sinful. This gives people license to create their own set of rules to suit their behavior, really. If they feel they are doing something sinful, they just have to find some type of beliefs which claim their behavior is not sinful, thereby allowing their behavior to persist guilt-free. This is very much a New-Age movement type ideaology, though it has been around for a while, because it is human nature to find justification for their selfish actions in order to find relief from guilt and shame of their actions. It stems for bad parenting, really.
If we raise our kids to take responsibility for their actions, respect authority and put love of others before selfish desires, our children will develope good moral characters more closely related to the Bible's moral standards. Of course, teaching our children Biblica morality does no good if they do not respect authority and want to justify their bad behavior so they don't have to take responsibility for it. Obama's answer to the question of sin revealse that he has no respect for authority, he sets his own moral standards, he follows his rules above any other established rules and was not parented well at all. This developes a character of doing whatever one deems fit, regardless of moral integrity and love of others, in order to get what one wants. That is very destructive, self-centered and prideful… and God says He resists the prideful.
-Brianmarti you would be surprised at the chruchs that do hold the pastor to a almost God level. and no real Chrristians don't , but then if they are real they are aware some of their bylaws are a joke also. and no group of men can over ride God. granite yes president obama has spent millions to keep people from getting his records, and at time of his birth and for few years after you could get a certificate of live birth and not have tom prove you were born in hawaii. and on his records of school and stuff why hide them just before his election, they are public records
-Purdinpresident obama is just believing what libs and extreme right wingers believe
-PurdinElders are to teach and watch over. Not control. Not to 'do it all' all the time, for a salary,week after week until we're all dead. Like politicians, they are to serve, not to be served. But in both cases it got turned around. I continue to point to 1Cor.12 for these last 8 years and no one will answer it. They spin around it. Politicians are good at this. But why won't christians answer these verses? Like in Acts 20 where Paul tells the elders to work jobs so they may have the wherewithall to support the poor? Anybody feels like they are 'called to the ministry' they quit their job. Or how about the injunction to the elders not to 'lord it over His heritage'. Or how 'bout ' the world has it's kings and subjects, but not so with you'. [para]. Or how 'bout the 58 'one to another' ministering verses. Or how about 'submit one to another' not 'submit to the pastor'. Or how about Dyotrephes exalting himself above the others. Marti didn't answer 1Cor12. These are all inconvenient truths to the church. Some one said I'm all wet, they think, about the deeds of the Nicolaitans but didn't say what it 'really' means. Nico: power over. Laitan: laity. Traditions of men and doctrines of demons were mentioned as warnings in the word but the problem is no one thinks they might have it wrong. Those clear warnings do not apply to the 'church'. Neither does the warning against divisions 'thousands of denominations'.
Here is another problem if I don't say enough, i'm told to prove my points but if I prove my points then I'm ranting. I' thought i'd bring that up before those accusations come up. And they would have come up. Not mad, just know hows this all works. God bless.
-devon leesleyIf it really scary how quickly all of you have formed an opinion based on someone else's quotes taken out of context.
Screams of Anti-christ. If Christ is God and God is Love then the anti-christ is anti love. Almost all of your comments are sooo anit love that you should really consider yourselves anti-christs
Almost all of you have fallen short of "Love is kind"
'Let him among you who is without sin cast the first stone". Does that statement not SCREAM tolerance?
How many of you have actually read the interview that your writer referred to? I invite you to take advantage of the article in its entirety liked below.
If you still have the same opinion, then so be it, but for Christ's sake, Stop being a bunch of puppets allowing others to tell you what to think!!!
http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/11/o…
-Marcia LongEnjoyed your post, devon. Christians from all over the world are doing more for Jesus Christ than the millions here in the US who claim His name! I have been a Presbyterian-Christian for 40 years BUT now (at 79) I want to be a Christian FIRST and (when I find a congregation that
TRIES to follow His teaching) that denomination will be second. My sister says a Wesleyan Methodist.. What say you?
My second issue is with the many who get "LOST" in the arguments about faith, birth, actions, etc of Pres. Obama. When he says "Mexicans were here before this country was even thought of." , can you blame people for suspecting him of these things? Consider the time honored
axiom: Actions speak louder than words. We have never –Never– had a President that apologised ALL OVER the world about the USA!
I am 79 years and fear for my country when my generation is gone. Why? Because most of the populace under 60 doesn't have ANY idea what '
the US used to be like. When I grew up we trusted each other. Now most lie with impunity. We didn't have to lock our doors on the house or car.
Now everything is locked and secured by motion lights and sirens. We took care of ourselves and planned ahead for old age and unexpected accidents. Now half or more of the people in America are dependent on the government JUST TO LIVE!
Christians MUST help each other with LOVE. God will bless us! He knows our hearts.
-Marianne to devonhow didobama get elected to the senate in ill. without proof of age and citizinenship they just seem to bypass the requirements for him.
-patPat, citizenship is not required at the state level nor in the US congress.
-JohnI will believe Obama is a natural born citizen when that perverbial glacier melts and puts out the fires of Hell.
-TomDream on. Your belief has absolutely no effect.
-GraniteWhat do you mean, "Would be"?
-2WarAbnVetTeddyball Game, I don't know my self but what you said I believe to be right, you and John that is. I read the other day that the Military Court is Court Martialing a Army Lt. Col. for disobeying a direct order from Obama. This part is true. But the Lt. Col. stated that he sent a true and correct Certified copy of Obama's Kenyan Birth Certificate to all the Senator's in the Senate. Is that part true??? The Military Court is denying his defense counsel access to Obama's records. That part is also true. The Judge in this case stated that by producing Obama's records may be an embarrasment to Obama, yet they denied the Col. ability to defend himself. The Col. says he will not take orders from a In eligibile Commander in Chief. Thats what got him into trouble. So my question is do you have any knowledge to the true facts of the Lt. Col. sending certified copies to the Senate?
-KenI disagree! McCain was taken to task by the Democrats to prove his citizenship but Obama wasn't. Why is that?
-KenObama may (stupidly – just like Lucifer) think he can assail the Throne of God, but , if he does, he forgets something.
Lucifer was throne out of the Heavens and,, along with the 1/3 angels, under his leadership, has an eternal future, in the Lake of Fire.
This will also be Obama's future, unless he repents.
Over the past months, I've read a lot about what people assume Obama to be.
First, a prophet — I think he can predict what he is planning to do to destroy America, but that doesn't say he can tell us what the weather will be like, tomorrow, so he isn't a prophet from God….And, even if someone would argue and say that if he knows America's destruction (as he thinks of it) will occur tomorrow. The reason is this: The real God…the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whose Son will return to reign over earth, can thwart Obama's plans before he can rush them through Congress!
-Gary(IN MY OPINION)
obama, has No values to speak of, He is NO more than a two-faced lier, who lies so much that he can't keep up with all the lies that he tell's
and gets exposed in his own lies by himself. I believe him to be a strong deciple of, if not the Anti Christ. Open your eye's and look at the
decline of our governmental policies and constatutional rights that we are losing periodically, Never before in our history of America have we
ever experienced a president with such hatred for the Unitesd States Of America and the people in it, I could go on and on, but why ? I do
believe that history repeats itself if not dealt with beforehand, Remember The Trojon Horse, I believe obama snuck in the same way in a
manner of speaking,. And how many of us attend a church who procllaims God Dam America, And I say Dam this administration and every
son of bitch who stands with this so entitled President.
-Herman McCloud1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
MOST OF YOU ARE A BUNCH OF HYPOCRITES, HATERS AND BIGOTS MASQUERADING AS CHRISTIANS. IF YOU DID A LOT MORE PRAYING AND A LOT LESS COMPLAINING WE WOULD BE A LOT BETTER OFF~~~GOD HELP US ALL!!!!! INSTEAD OF HIDING BEHIND ALL YOUR RHETORIC. SAY IT LIKE IT IS. YOU DON'T LIKE A BLACK MAN BEING PRESIDENT. HE IS ALREADY AND GOD ALLOWED IT SO GET OVER YOUR SELVES.
-Marcia LongI find your post troubling as this discussion has had nothing to do with Obama's race. I hold no hatred in my heart for him or anyone but I do hold to strong opposition where he and those around him want to take this nation. I do understand that when all else fails some pull the race card and feel for them and will pray for them.
-JohnContrary to fundamentalist claims, Christianity is a label which actually encompasses many varied and diverse belief systems. Fundamentalists are fond of saying that they are the only "true" Christians, and all other Christians have "diluted" or "corrupted" their faith with those nasty, evil "secular values" or worse yet, "pagan blasphemy" (note that Islamic fundamentalists are the same way, so they accuse open-minded and/or moderate Muslims of "betraying Allah").
If the "Christian right" is aware of Christian ministries in Africa which are so inclusive that they make room for local medicine men and religious rituals in their worship servicess, they are undoubtedly of the opinion that they are irredeemably evil, because they "blaspheme against the Lord". Their opinion of fellow Christians can be equally caustic if anyone steps out of line; in fact, the popular evangelist Billy Graham has been attacked by numerous fundamentalist publications1 for daring to reach out to people of other faiths! Why? Because those other faiths are "blasphemy", and as far as they're concerned, Billy Graham is now in league with Satan.
At its heart, fundamentalism is nothing more than institutionalized religious narrow-mindedness. "there is only one thing worse than being a non-believer and that's being the wrong sort of believer."
-JeffIf he had to declare as a foreign student to qualify for the Fulbright Scholarship, he's either a liar or a foreigner, and I don't care to have either as President of this Country. Impeach him starting 3 Jan '11.
-Scott MacInnesIt has nothing to do with his color, I could have voted for Colin Powell, or Condy Rice, had either of them chosen to run. Obama is in fear of proving his proof of birth. There HAS to be a reason. He seems intent on subjecting this country to the will of his cronies in the U.N., and then where will we be? the freedom we enjoy will be chipped away and we'll be just another 3rd world Banana republic, oops, we don't grow bananas… How about an Orange republic… But if you're a Jimmy Carter fan, how about a Peanut republic? Either way, we'll be on the way down the crapper. I'm 73… Hope I don't live to see that!
-Scott/ old vetHe only THINKS he's God, God knows better and I pray Psalm 109:8, that God will tell Obama to shape up or ship out. He's NO DAMN GOOD for America!
-Scott/ old vetMarianne, Wesleyan Methodist sounds good to me. Go for it and follow their teachings and make it to heaven.
-LoisMarcia, if all the folks that are scared of his policies are bigots, then he would never have been elected in the first place.
-devon leesleyobamas grand mother said he was born in kenya,
his wife said they went back to his home on a vacation.
he has spent 2 million hiding his b/c.and that 2 million was our moneys too don't forget,
he always say as the holy koran says. quotes from his bible.
hes a muslum. and also said > campaigning >> if the winds should shift in another direction>>
he would lean toward the muslums>> well he is anyways.
hes done just about all the damage he can do, besides spend the rest of the moneys hes borrowed from china.
and when china moves in, it'll be to late for crying or praying!because they can't take it with them so they will collect their colatteral by moving in to any city they want!.
i hope you that voted the muslum jerk into office, are happy now !!
-sherryRe: "obamas grand mother said he was born in kenya,
Answer. NO SHE DIDN"T. She was deliberately misquoted by birther sites that cut off the tape just before she was asked "Where was he born?" She replied that he was born in Hawaii, where is father was studying at the time. And, in another interview, she said that the first that her family in Kenya had heard of the birth was in a letter from Hawaii.
Re: "His wife said they went back to his home on a vacation."
Answer. No SHE DIDN'T. She said that Kenya was his "homeland," the place where his ancestors came from.
Re: "he has spent 2 million hiding his b/c.and that 2 million was our moneys too don’t forget,"
Answer: NO he didn't. There has never been a lawsuit against Obama for his birth certificate.
Re: "he always say as the holy koran says. quotes from his bible."
Answer; If he does, big deal.
Re: "hes a muslum. and also said > campaigning >> if the winds should shift in another direction>>"
Answer, If he is, big deal. Muslims are eligible. You can of course vote against him for this, or for anything else.
Re; "hes done just about all the damage he can do, besides spend the rest of the moneys hes borrowed from china."
Answer: Notice how the stock market has been going? But, you still can vote against him, if you like.
Re; 'and when china moves in, it’ll be to late for crying or praying!because they can’t take it with them so they will collect their colatteral by moving in to any city they want!."
By far most of the Chinese debt was run up under George Bush. Our being their debtor gives us power over them, not vice versa. If there were a war, we simply would not pay them back.
Re; "i hope you that voted the muslum jerk into office, are happy now !!"
I am, thank you. Far far than under McCain would have been.
-GraniteLoosen up people. Can you not see the hand writing on the wall? Look around you. World wide that is. Even Kissinger who is a billiburger said thaty Obama was trained to be the leader of the one world government whioch is at our door step, not the anti-christ. Research who he studied with. Quit the generalities and research the real truth. Quit knit picking the Bibleand under stand the times are drawing nearer and nearer. We best be on our knees and be inprayer and spread the gospel as we were told. The rapture is near. Pray and let God take care of Obama. God has a plan that was put in place when GW was elected. Research and think hard.
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