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A religious test for Mitt Romney

Things being what they are these days, and with Mitt Romney currently the front-runner in the race for the Republican presidential nomination, it's not too surprising that objections to the former Massachusetts governor's Mormon religion would resurface, particularly in Iowa, where evangelicals wield so much influence in the Republican caucuses.

Romney was the target of both left- and right-wing Mormon-bashing in the last presidential campaign, proving once again that vulgar religious prejudice is one of the few areas of our national life where true bipartisanship still prevails. Even so, last week's attack on Romney by the influential evangelical publisher and writer Warren Cole Smith was notable — not only because Smith is closely aligned with religious factions that recently fueled the campaign to oust three Iowa Supreme Court justices who had overturned a ban on same-sex marriage but also because he argued that it doesn't matter what Romney believes on social or economic issues.

In an online essay aimed at fellow evangelicals, Smith argued that "you can't have it 'both ways' when it comes to Romney's faith. You can't say that his religious beliefs don't matter, but his 'values' do. The Christian worldview teaches that there is a short tether binding beliefs to the values and behaviors that flow from them. If the beliefs are false, then the behavior will eventually — but inevitably — be warped…. There's a lot about Romney I like. He seems to be a competent manager; he's a fiscal conservative and his positions on some social issues — while problematic in the past — seemed to have genuinely changed. But certain qualifications make a candidate unfit to serve. I believe a candidate who either by intent or effect promotes a false and dangerous religion is unfit to serve."

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  • Lloyd

    If the choice in the next presidential election is vote for either a Mormon or a Muslim, It will be a sad day.

    • June Hence

      I want to say that Mitt Romney belongs to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. Mormon is just a nickname tagged onto we people that follow our Heavenly Father and our Savior Jesus Christ. Since I became a member, I have learned more about the Bible and what our Father wants for us. We would be guided by an honorable leader and wouldn't have to worry about the lies we here from this Obama government.

    • June Hence

      I want to say that Mitt Romney belongs to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latterday Saints. Mormon is just a nickname tagged onto we people that follow our Heavenly Father and our Savior Jesus Christ. Since I became a member, I have learned more about the Bible and what our Father wants for us. We would be guided by an honorable leader and wouldn't have to worry about the lies we hear from this Obama government.

    • bighoss

      Don't worry; there are no announced GOP candidates or independents who are Muslim and the President is NOT a Muslim despite all the inane and idiotic claims to the contrary. No one with a grain of sense would anticipate that a Muslim candidate could have half a chance in a U.S. presidential election in 2012. That pretty well establishes where YOU land.

      The next President of the U.S. will be the current President of the U.S. Take it to the bank. The Repubs are floundering every which way and most of their announced candidates are blithering stupid stuff that makes them look like the incompetent ideologues they are. About the only competent and qualified one among them is Jon Huntsman and too many wingers regard him as a RINO for the party to select him. The GOP will fumble this one away!

    • D. White

      Sorry you feel that way. Have lived in 12 states, met and learned to love folks of many christian, jewish and muslim shades along with some who did not believe in God. I am LDS and have never hid or broadcast it, just tried to live its teachings which strongly imply that you are my brother and if you do good you are following the light of Christ given to all born on this earth. We need to chose an honorable, honest, conservative person as President who has a good track record of success in business, working with people, who has learned from mistakes and will help our nation solve its serious financial problems. I watched Romney do all this when he rescued the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City. He inherited a mess and turned it into a success that is studied in business schools as a model for rescuing financial disasters. For my vote he is the one we need. And I would vote for him even if he was a muslim.

  • Dennis

    I'll take the Mormon over Obummer any day.

    • charles

      yes but arent we all a bit tired of having to choose from the establishment's hand picked choices instead of having a chance to vote for a real American Patriot that cares more for his country that his own personal gain? We need a real choice for once insteado of having to pick the lesser of 2 evils

      • USPatriot

        Yes!!

  • Drummer Man

    Lloyd, 3 things, anyone is better than Oboma, Mormon is an american Regligon, and I know Mitt will repel obama care, to compare Mormons with Muslems is a very poor compareison. How meny terrerest mormons do you know?

    • Tom
      • Tom

        This section is the best of the best:

        Oath of vengeance against the United States for killing "the prophets"

    • Winston on Truth

      Mormonism and Islam are both counterfeit religions. However, Islam is much worse and significantly dangergous because it also is a socio-political-legal-religious cult… it's their way or no way!

      • Esteban Cafe

        A couple of historical instances of Mormons killing others? Gee, I wonder why the Mormons fought back? Did you neglect Governor Boggs "Extermination Order" against the Mormons and other regular persecutions of this group? Your American history classes must be lagging those in the EU.

        Question for those Mormon bashing (and I would not vote for Romney either–he's a mainstream American politician): do you KNOW any Mormons? I know several on several continents and have met with them in both professional as well as recreational situations. They are all wonderful people. They are in no way like the Evangelicals I know, sad to say, hypocrits all. By their fruits ye shall know them.

    • charles

      oromney put the 1st obamacare = romneycare in place in massachusetts. So where do you get he will repeal obummercare. WRONG

      Better read the secret Books of Mormon as they are also sworn to (temple mormons which oromney is) overthrow the govt of this world to bring in moron law . sorry WRONG again

  • Drummer Man

    I;m not saying Mormons have not had any killings in the group, Mark Hoffman is another example, but lets assume you know nothing about Mormons. In there scriptures there is nothing about killing other people. Besides the Mountain Medows Massicure was a few mormons with several Indians. Don't belive everthing you read Tom.

  • Winston on Truth

    "Ralph Reed, who shot to national prominence in 1995 with his Christian Coalition, is back in the business of building political juggernauts with his new Faith and Freedom Coalition, a group he describes as “a 21st-century version of the Christian Coalition on steroids,” according to a report by the New York Times." Just why did Ralph Reed change the name of his organizaton and dropped "Christian" from it? He's courting all candidates of "faith" which includes Mormon, et al. Isn't this a bit watered down for a supposed Christian organization? Is he courting ALL "faiths"…including Muslim? Beware of double-minded men.

  • Eric Derhammer

    I have no problem with him being a Morman. What I do object to is him being a lying, cheating, sack of crap.

  • Chris P

    Anybody who believes in this crazy cult has no business running anything. Mormonism is total BS. It's all about control, particularly of women.

  • shirley Henderson

    I could never vote for a Mormon in good conscience before God. They teach we all can become gods. and have a loyality to the church above government!

  • CJM

    I really wish Romney would drop out of the Presidential campaign–he supports obamacare and does not want to have it repealed. I also do not believe that Romney is the best America can do for leadership—he strikes me as a self-serving person with more than a smattering of arrogance (2 more characteristics he shares with the incumbent president). If the Republican Party nominates this rino, I will write in someone else's name because I do not want either obama or romney for President.

  • Elaine Field

    HERMAN CAIN – just forget about the others. He has all the "Right Stuff". Learn all you can about him and tell others! Pray for Herman CAIN every day.

    • Kalev

      Yeah I liked Cain before he did a 180 degree on Muslims, first he made an "absolutely no Muslims" in his administration until PC took effect, then it was "will consider" Muslims in his administration, all within about a three day period. That doesn't set well with me.

      Romney is unacceptable to me as a President, 1) a Mormon, 2) a RINO and 3) RomneyCare (ObamaCare light).

      • Elaine Field

        Kalev and others w/this take on H. Cain………I have listened to Herman Cain tell of his position (this is from his mouth) what he thinks of the Muslim faith and the Sharia law. You can find this interview if you Google CAIN TELLS BECK HIS MUSLIM CABINET COMMENTS. Please tell me what you seem to read into Cain's comments on this subject that I do not. I cannot believe he wants Muslims and their law in the fabric of our Nation. Please tell me where I am wrong. Thanks. EF

    • http://none mose

      Its a toss up,I liked Caine too, until he said he'd appoint a Muslin to his Cabinet

  • don

    I don't know what religion Cris Cristi is, but the democrats are afraid of him; and that means he has my vote!!!!

    • Jeff Dixon

      Chris Christie is a Roman Catholic. He would be an excellent choice for the Republican nomination. Sadly, he has said he will not run this time and it looks like he is sincere with that statement.

  • http://None Ben F.

    Shirley, a little correction to your comment. Morman's believe the men will become gods, no women, they will be on the gods planet to be continuely pregnant, the Mormans say the American Indians were the lost tribles of Israel only now with DNA that has been refuted. The Morman religion is a demonic cult and nothing more, if a person believes in that religion as being true, they are open to demonic influnence and that in it self makes the person dangereous. Have a good day sister:

  • Winston on Truth

    The Bible warns against "double-minded" men. With Cain changing his position on Muslims he's become a double-minded man.

    • Kalev

      That was my gut feeling when I first discovered his 180 on Muslims in his possible administration.

      • Elaine Field

        Kalev – all I am asking is you educate your "gut". Please listen to Cain's words out of his mouth. Perhaps you got the 180 degree idea from the liberal press. They want to mislead the nation regarding the GOP candidates. Please?

  • Stephen

    Mitt Romney and the LDS/mormon are just members of a satanic cult, just like the catholics.

    Funny though, both claim to be the "one true church". Yet, neither are in the Bible

  • Ben E

    We as members of the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints worship and bear testimony of GOD the Eternal Father and of his Son JESUS CHRIST. The doctrines of the LDS Church are maligned, distorted, and out right lied about in spoken and written word, by people such as Ben F above. I challenge Ben F to back up any one of his rediculous claims about mormonism with a reference found anywhere in Mormon Doctrine. When it comes to finding truth, Ask God what is true, and by the power of the Holy Ghost, ye may know the truth of all things. This works for all Christians, including Mormons.

    • Stephen

      And the next thing you are going to tell us that there was a "council of gods" to determine that Jesus should be the Saviour verses satan.

  • bighoss

    You asked for it, Ben E. and you are gonna get it. Mormon doctrine teaches that God was once a man as we are and that men can "progress" to ultimately become gods over their own worlds. I am pasting a lengthy excerpt on this subject from an online book. "The Changing World of Mormonism," by Sandran and Jerald Tanner, two ex-Mormons who have researched published extensively, and with impeccablwe documentation, concerning the history and doctrines of the Mormon cult. Their online book is very revealing; it can be found at http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changecontents.ht…. Mormons try to dismiss this book by several means. One thing they do is to demand that those who want to find out about the Mormon Church must go to what the church says about itself, not what others say about it. The cloistered, craven, ultra-defensiveness of THAT is clearly seen through by intelligent persons who wish to do thorough research. They will also try to put down the testimony of ex-Mormons on the alleged grounds that they are just embittered, "sour grapes" types who have an ax to grind. I suggest that you examine the Tanner's very thorough, very well documented book for yourself. Here is the excerpt that shows just what kind of bizarre concept of God and man Mormon cultists entertain, as shown from Mormon sources!

    "A Changeable God

    The idea of a progressive God was a natural outgrowth of the Mormon teaching of a plurality of Gods. Apostle Orson Hyde commented: "Remember that God, our heavenly Father, was perhaps once a child, and mortal like we ourselves, and rose step by step in the scale of progress, in the school of advancement; has moved forward and overcome, until He has arrived at the point where He now is" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 123).

    Brigham Young declared: "We are now, or may be, as perfect in our sphere as God and Angels are in theirs, but the greatest intelligence in existence can continually ascend to greater heights of perfection" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 93).

    Wilford Woodruff, who became the fourth president of the church, said that "God himself is increasing and progressing in knowledge, power, and dominion, and will do so, worlds without end" (Ibid., vol.6, p. 120).

    This idea of a progressive and changeable God is very different from the concept of God taught in the Bible and Book of Mormon. In Malachi 3:6 we read: "For I am the Lord, I change not…." In the Book of Mormon, page 517, verse 18, we find this statement: "For I know that God is not a partial God, neither a changeable being; but he is unchangeable from all eternity to all eternity."

    While Brigham Young and other leaders of the Mormon church openly rejected the Book of Mormon teaching that God is "unchangeable," Apostle Orson Pratt had a difficult time accepting the new ideas about God. Although he accepted the idea of a plurality of Gods, he did not seem to believe that they progressed in knowledge. In a sermon delivered in the tabernacle on January 13, 1867, Brigham Young chided: "… Brother Orson Pratt, has in theory, bounded the capacity of God. According to his theory, God can progress no further in knowledge and power; but the God that I serve is progressing eternally, and so are his children: they will increase to all eternity, if they are faithful" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 11, p. 286).

    It is interesting to note that the Mormon church is still divided over this issue. Joseph Fielding Smith sided with Orson Pratt. He stated: "It seems very strange to me that members of the Church will hold to the doctrine, 'God increases in knowledge as time goes on.' … I think this kind of doctrine is very dangerous" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 1, pp. 7-8).

    Though there seems to be a division over whether God is continuing to increase in knowledge, Mormon leaders agree

    that there was a time when He was only a man. Marion G. Romney, a member of the First Presidency, recently made this vivid statement: "God is a perfected, saved soul enjoying eternal life. He is both immortal and exalted to the highest glory. He is enjoying that blessed condition which men may attain to by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel" (Salt Lake Tribune, October 6, 1974, p. 1).

    Spencer W. Kimball, currently president of the church, still maintains that "in each of us is the potentiality to become a God" (Salt Lake Tribune, October 7, 1974). Speaking to "priesthood holders," President Kimball made these comments: "Brethren 225,000 of you are here tonight. I suppose 225,000 of you may become gods. There seems to be plenty of space out there in the universe. And the Lord has proved that he knows how to do it. I think he could make, or probably have us help make, worlds for all of us, for every one of us 225,000" (Ensign, November 1975, p. 80)."

    Weird, ain't it??!!

  • Ben E

    Big Hoss, I have to give you credit for doing some research instead of passing off strange rumors as Mormon Truths. You didn't address Ben F.'s assertions that Women "will be on the God's planet to be continually pregnant," and, if Mormon's claimed to know where the lost tribes of Isreal are, we probably wouldn't continue to refer to them as the lost tribes. The story of the early migration to this continant by some of the inhabitants of the America's is covered in the Book of Mormon. It doesn't claim to cover all migrations, or the migration of the lost tribes after the Babalonian captivity.

    I am not a spokesperson for the church, but I do beleive that GOD is our ETERNAL FATHER. I also accept Acts 17:28-29 that says we are the offspring of GOD. The GOD who is your GOD and my GOD and is our ETERNAL FATHER and as his offspring and child, I choose to beleive that, I can, through the attonement of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ grow up to be similar to Him, never to diminish his greatness and glory, but always to worship him as my Father and King. Just a note: Spencer W. Kimball passed away a couple of years ago. Thomas S Monson is now the Senior Apostle in the L.D.S Church.

    • bighoss

      That Mormon claptrap about women in the afterlife being continually pregnant–or at least being more-or-less constantly gravid as brood mares for the horny Mormon men who allegedly have become gods and who spend mouchof their time impregnating the hordes of women with whom they are so generously provided is indeed a part of Mormon teaching, but that and all the Mormon mythology about marriage in the afterlife is absolutely refuted by Jesus himself, who said that in heaven there will be no marrying or giving in marriage. Thus, any pregnant women in the afterlife will be in that condition through some means that contradicts the teaching of the Lord himself. More Mormon doctrine that flatly contradicts the new Testamant!

  • Ben E

    I am A Mormon and I forgot to mention that my preferred candidates for president are: 1. Michelle Bachman. 2. Sarah Palin. 3. Herm Cain. The two Mormons, Romney and Huntsman are not on my short list; however, I world prefer either to Obama.

  • Ben E

    Mormon's make no claim on understanding how Spirits are created from intelligences in the afterlife. We pretty much have to listen to the input from the Mormon haters on this as they seem to have much better insights and understandings of this than do we Mormons. As far as your assertion that Jesus said that there would be no marrying or given in marriage in the afterlife. He most definately did. This is in Mark 12 where it was asked which of the seven men she had been married to, she would be with when they rise from the dead. If she would have been married with the keys that Jesus gave to Peter, to bind on heaven what is bound on Earth (Matt. 16-19) she would have known who she would be with in the afterlife; because, in the afterlife they are neither married nor given in marriage. If you wait until the afterlife to make this choice, sounds to me like you waited too late. By the power of the Holy Ghost may we know the truth of all Things.

  • bighoss

    When you "know." as "Mormon's" (your incorrect attempt at using the plural form) claim to "know", that there is marriage in heaven, then you came to "know" that by some agency other than the Holy Ghost! You make a rambling and inchoate attempt to get around what Jesus said concerning the notion of marriage in heaven, but your "explanation" is so convoluted as to defy rational interpretation. Jesus said that they are NOT married in heaven; Mormons say that they ARE married in heaven. I will stick with Jesus on this one. The Mormon notion of marriage for time and eternity has no basis in the New Testament concept of marriage or the Old Testament concept either, for that matter. It is an invention that went along with plural marriage on earth, which Mormons weaseled out of in about 1890 after Joseph Smith had years before proclaimed it to be a "new and everlasting covenant" that every male Mormon was obligated to observe (see Doctrine & Covenants 132). Contrary to what modern Mormons claim about plural marriage, it remains an unrepudiated doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, according to one of that cult's most respected "apostles," James Talmage . There are more strange things in your chuich than you have ever dreamed of, Ben. I am just trying to help you to know what kind of organization you have unwisely attached yourself to.

  • Ben E

    Big Hoss – Thanks for correcting my English, you are right, I did use the possesive form. I was wrong for doing that. Jesus gave his senior apostle the sealing keys to bind in heaven what is bound on earth at the Mount of Transfiguration. Wasn't that after the Sermon on the Mount, which is about the time the question was posed concerning, being married or given in marriage in the afterlife. Jesus gave those Sealing keys to his Senior Apostle, Peter. So if you beleive you will not be sealed to someone in the afterlife, you are absolutely right, your idea of being saved will come true. but If someone wants to be sealed to someone in the afterlife, they'd better look for the senior apostle on earth today who is the only one who has had those sealing keys restored to him. I'm moving on now. This is my last look at this webpage. Good luck in your search for truth and don't be afraid to ask of God in the name Jesus Christ and expect an answer from the Holy Spirit as suggested by James in James 1:5-6. May God Bless you.

    • bighoss

      No, Ben, what Jesus said about Peter and about binding and loosing is in Matthew 16, and occurred a good long time after the sermon on the mount, which is in Matthew 5 through 7.

      Perhaps, having slinked away from this discussion and having pledged not to return, you will not check back to find out that you were wrong on that. You need to take advantage of every available opportunity for spiritual education, Ben, since it is obvious from your posts that you are not careful either with facts or the interpretation thereof.

      When Jesus spoke of binding and loosing, he was not conferring upon Peter any kind of rule-making authority, let alone the authority to authorize or validate eternal marriages in the afterlife. In the original Greek, the translation would be, "Whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be that which shall have been bound in heaven…etc."

      As to your commendation of the standard escapist Mormon modality for truth-finding (which equates to "pray to God and he will tell you that Joseph Smith really was God's prophet and that the Book of Mormon is true and that Mormons alone have got it right on all points of truth and doctrine'), well, Ben, I much prefer to follow the Biblical instruction on truth-seeking: "STUDY to show thyself approved of God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed , rightly dividing the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15). Rather than follow the risky Mormon systematic, I try to follow the model of the Bereans, who were commended by the Apostle Paul because they, "…were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and SEARCHED THE SCRIPTURES daily whether those things were so."(Acts 17:11).

      You Mormons twist and exaggerate the teaching of James 1:5 & 6 to create a false concept that God will deliver to the praying Mormon on just about any tidbit of information that he (said Mormon) asks God to verify. Those verses are NOT about information; they are about "wisdom," which is something different from knowledge of fact. God gave us the written word, Ben and he gave us eyes with which to read it and minds with which to study and learn from it. The verses I cited above tell us what He expects us to do with His word and they say nothing about ferreting out details of spiritual information via prayer.

      Many folks rely on the "feeling" in their "hearts" that God has told them things that God never told them. Include in that crowd all the deluded cultists who embrace false prophets such as Joseph Smith and bogus revelation such as the Book of Mormon.

  • DICK NEWTON

    MORMON TEACHING HAS ALWAYS SAID THAT JESUS WAS NOT GOD AND THEY HAVE DENIED THE TRIUNE GOD. THEY HAVE SWITCHED THEIR STORY IN ORDER TO GET CONVERTS. ONE MORMON CALLED ME AN INFIDEL BECAUSE I AM A BIBLICAL INERRANTIST.

  • Dennis

    If we could get rid of the anti Mormon hatered this would have been a great website. I as a Mormon am tired of the born again Christians slamming Mitt. He is the best one for the job. And this will be my last post. I will find some Christians that are truly love thy neighbor like the savior taught and not hypocrites and contentious like the devil enjoys.

    • bighoss

      Well, Dennis, if you can't effectively rebut well-documented TRUTH concerning historical facts and doctrines of Mormonism, I suppost that the best thing for you to do is to blame it on "hatered" [sic], brand your adversaries as "hypocrites," and slink off like your Brother Ben E. There is absolutely nothing hateful or hypocritical about telling the TRUTH concerning the bizarre, homespun doctrines of the Mormon Church. This goes double for those incredibly blasphemous LDS doctrines asserting that God, once was human and continues to be a progressing, changing being and that humans can actually become gods over their own domains. Neither you nor Ben dare deny that Mormons believe and teach such theocratic twaddle. Just try it and I will load my next post with more hard-core documentation on that subject than you can shake a Urim and Thummin at!

      The Devil might indeed enjoy contention in some forms, but I have no doubt that he gets his greatest joy from seeing the success of the insidious heresies perpetrated by false prophets such as Joseph Smith.

      Ye shall know the TRUTH and theTRUTH shall make you free," Dennis, if you will but face the TRUTH that can set you free from the clutches of the Mormon cult that has so effectively brainwashed you.

  • liz

    Mormons believe Jesus and Sttan are brothers. That matters. In 1776, Romney would have been hung alongside Benedict Arnold.

  • Jeff Dixon

    Benedict Arnold was not hung. He moved to England after the war where he lived out his life.