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A liberal is a liberal is a liberal…

For a long time, I have resisted using the terms "liberal" or "conservative" when it comes to both theology and politics. My experience has proven that those who identify themselves as theological liberals tend to also identify themselves as politically liberal and vice versa. My reasoning for skepticism in using the term "liberal" with theology is a deep conviction that either you are a true believer in the central doctrine that defines the Christian faith, or you are not.

I have now lived long enough to observe two generations of so-called "theological liberals."

In the 1950s and 60s, those in mainline denominations who claimed to be theological liberals began preaching liberally from certain biblical texts. They used Jesus' words to support their departure from the fundamental foundations of biblical Christianity.

"Love your enemies" (Matthew 5:44) is one of their favorite hobby-horses. They use it to water-down the clear exclusivity of salvation for those who acknowledge Jesus alone as their Savior. This wrenching of Jesus' words out of their context led to full-blown universalism — the inevitable outcome of the misuse of these words of Jesus.

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RobinPC

I have been on the mission field in a foreign country for over 24 years, but have remained informed of many events and changes that have taken place in the American church. Liberalism rules. I do not know of one main line demonination that has remained 100% true to the Word of God. Women behind pulpits, homosexuals in the pulpit have become the norm. "Love" is used as an excuse to abort God's Word. In Europe where I currently reside, the State Churshes are in reality political organizations which have very little to do with Christ or the Word of God. Sadly I see a very similar trend in the USA, and the denominations have all caved in – one way or the other – to Satanic doctrines of men, shoving the Word of God out the door. Jesus and the Blood – how icky, leave that topic alone we want love, good feeling, no convictions, no responsibility is the trend today.
- http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
  
  @RobinPC,
  
  Although for the most part you are right you also all and and not all parts of Christendom is gone… Only those which GOD allowed to go and those who were not his in the first place. Remember Elijah and his crying? Yet GOD had His 7000 even then.
RobinPC

I am aged in years and will go to my death preaching Christ the ONLY Son of God Crucified for our sins, saved by grace, baptism is for believers, and church organizations are to be avoided like the plague. I don't know what has happened in the USA. The men that once preached a death in a firey hell for those that reject Christ are all gone. Probably like I will shortly be, gone to be with the One that Died for Me (and you). Now the theme is if it feels good do it, don't make waves, don't insult our Muslim "brothers" (they are NOT mine) don't offend anyone or the ACLU will come after you. Instead of soldiers of the Cross the people have become cowards and are a disgrace to the Savior. I pray for a total reversal of this situation, and wonder how many born again Christians, especially in Southern States actually voted Democrat for the Anti-Christ in the White House? I need to stop before I get to preaching.
http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland

Anything left of Yahweh's morality (as codified in His commandments, statutes, and judgments) is left, liberal, and ungodly. When today's politicians, churches, preachers, and most people claiming to be Christians are judged by this standard (the only standard by which all things must be judged), they are, in fact, left, liberal, and, therefore, ungodly. It is, consequently, imperative that Christians do everything in our power to uphold this standard before the world and modern churchianity.

See "The Perfect Law of Yahweh" at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitut….
- http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
  
  The standard is The WORD Ted and that WORD contains way more than the law only. Agreed?
  - http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland
    
    Yes, of course, I agree. However, Yahweh's never-changing morality is most specifically found in His commandments, statutes, and judgments. Agreed?
    - http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
      
      Agreed. As far as law and its significance for the believer Romans 7 explains that clearly and authoritatively…. http://biblia.com/bible/esv/Ro7
      - http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland
        
        There's certainly nothing in Romans 7 that I disagree with. However, the heading "Released from the Law" gives me pause, depending upon what the one who penned meant by it. For what I believe is the correct Scriptural balance, if you haven't alrealdy, see "The Perfect Law of Yahweh" at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitut….
      - http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
        
        Ted,
        
        Thank for the link but let's just stay with the inspired Word. Although the heading is not inspired just like the chapters selection or punctuation the meaning of the heading is inspired and is in the inspired text itself i.e. Romans 7:2
        
        "released" ~ "καταργέω"
        
        καταργέω fut. καταργήσω; 1aor. κατήργησα; pf. κατήργηκα; pf. pass. κατήργημαι; 1aor. pass. κατηργήθην; 1fut. pass. καταργηθήσομαι; from the basic sense cause to be idle or useless, the term always denotes a nonphysical destruction by means of a superior force coming in to replace the force previously in effect, as, e.g. light destroys darkness; (1) in relation to soil use up, make barren (LU 13.7); (2) as release by removal from a former sphere of control free from; passive be discharged from, be freed from (RO 7.2); (3) as destruction by replacement abolish, destroy, cause to cease, put an end to (1C 2.6; 13.11)
        
        Friberg, Timothy ; Friberg, Barbara ; Miller, Neva F.: Analytical Lexicon of the Greek New Testament. Grand Rapids, Mich. : Baker Books, 2000 (Baker's Greek New Testament Library 4), S. 221
        
        As you can see the word καταργέω means also destruction which is being further focused on by "dying" to the law in verse 4 of Romans 7. Furthermore both of these are reinstated together in verse 6:
        
        "But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code. "
        ~ Romans 7:6
        
        I am not advocating antinomianism here by any means but the Word says what it says and there is no way around that.
      - http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland
        
        Agreed. But question is what law is Paul referring to. It is not speaking of the commandments, statutes, and judgments, per se. I address and explain this in the article I recommended.
      - http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
        
        Ted,
        
        "question is what law is Paul referring to."
        
        I do not think Ted that we have any room whatsoever to play around with the ambiguity of this text or which law it discuss… It is crystal clear that it speaks about THE LAW i.e. the ten commandments (http://bit.ly/daGWU2) and in fact Paul is using one of them i.e. The Commandment Nr.10 to drive home the point for the recipient of his divinely inspired words:
        
        "What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if THE LAW had not said, “YOU SHALL NOT COVET.” But sin, seizing an opportunity through THE COMMANDMENT, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. For apart from THE LAW, sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when THE COMMANDMENT came, sin came alive and I died. The very COMMANDMENT that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity through the COMMANDMENT, deceived me and through it killed me. So THE LAW IS HOLY, and THE COMMANDMENT IS HOLY is RIGHTEOUS and GOOD. "
        
        ~ Romans 7:7-12 ESV
        
        It is rather clear that the ten commandments are being described here by Paul and if you disagree could you please explain here how the law above described as holy, righteous and good is not the ten commandments. If you maintain that it is not the ten commandments then would you please explain what was Paul doing quoting one of them that is the commandment ten: "“YOU SHALL NOT COVET” as the example of the law and within the context of describing the law.
      - http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland
        
        I should have explained myself better. I had hoped that "per se" would be enough to get you to read the recommended article. The Ten Commandments are certainly part and parcel of what Paul is referring to – but, in what context? The Mosaic Covenant. Without understanding this – particularly in light of Galatians 3 – Paul appears to contradict both himself and Christ. Again, this is explained more thoroughly in the recommended article.
      - http://youtu.be/fF-EMtOg0o8 Despeville
        
        I do not think Paul is contradicting anything Ted and I know you do not think tha either. If one has Christoapostolic understanding and view of the Scriptures which is sadly completely lost or alien to most then one understand this and is with the authorial intent of these words penned by Paul and inspired by God Himself.
- bighoss
  
  So let's all become Christian Nationalists? Is that the answer, Ted?
  - http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland
    
    Hoss, first things first. I think you should first concern yourself with becoming a genuine Christian. Then we can move on to other issues.
Carol Goodwin

A liberal application of sun-screen in this terrible summer heat is a good thing! A liberal use of bible and other good works is great. But giving away our freedom and liberty in placing our country, once so blessed by God, in monstrous debt to nations like China is a terrible thing and only part of what makes ' liberal' a very bad thing. Liberals in politics is just plain idiotic! The liberal politician does all for his own personal gain, caring nothing for We The People! In many ways moderate is the best adjective to be as the bible teaches us all things in moderation. This does not include lying, stealing, killing, coveting, dishonoring our parents and oh, you get the idea. A lot like Red Weiland said before.
- Chris P
  
  Christians lie, steal, kill covet and dishonor parents at a higher rate than atheists base on the proportion of people in jail who claim to be Christian vs atheist. You are living in a dream world devoid of facts and statistics that show you are completely wrong.
  
  You supported the military invading Iraq and killing hundreds of thousands of people. Christians are great liars. And they hate their neighbor gays.
  - http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
    
    'And they hate their neighbor gays. "
    
    Seems that you hate Christians way more than that asserted hate and remember the truth of Christian faith IS NOT based on continuous performance of Christians but on continuous truth of finished performance of Christ only…
    - Jeff Dixon
      
      However, you are not able to prove any evidence of this "continuous truth". You make many assertions, but without proof, your assertions are meanlingless.
      - http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
        
        The proof is out there. Everywhere i.e. in natural revelation on this scale: Mitochondria machinery ~ http://bit.ly/goLlSe
        or here on the largest known to us scale: http://bit.ly/ndEDAo but primarily on a supernatural level of the revelation of truth in the Word of God. It might seem circular to you for me to argue finally and ultimately on the level of God's Word but it is only consistent for me as that is the ultimate revelation truth with which everything lines up and is consistent including above two examples form natural revelation of truth.
Johnny

Amen, Michael.
Winston

It seems easy to come to a conclusion that a true liberal is truly insane. Just watch and listen to extreme liberals such as Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid. They love to hear themselves speak and the drivel that comes from their lips must surely come straight from the pit of hell… nothing but lies and deceit. Any politician, and I do mean ANY, who uses lies and deceit in their common communications is NOT to be trusted… period, because it reflects that they are morally deficient, untrustworthy, and double-minded…. all of which are we warned about to separate ourselves from in the Scriptures.
- Chris P
  
  Yes – you are truly deluded. Thinking that your world is the only one that exists and that others are on the outside. You have become detached from reality. Science means nothing to you – facts are superfluous.
  
  I find liberals are the only ones with a good handle on the reality of what is happening on this planet. The rampant destruction of the planet and its environment. The extinction of species. All the while the religious deny that any of it happening or blame everything on gays.
  
  You have no facts that are useful to me – I cannot create anything by reading your bible.
  - http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
    
    Chris,
    
    "Science means nothing to you – facts are superfluous. "
    
    Since you just like so many atheists out there wave the flag of science I am going to ask you a question that I asked so many atheists including here after which they tend to be less enthusiastic in further waving it…
    As an atheist with a worldview of matter, motion and chaos only could you please explain to us how do you bare and dare to assign the science to it with its immaterial, abstract and universal laws for origin of which you and your worldview have no slightest clue of explanation and the the continuity of those laws for which you have no basis whatsoever? Until you can explain that factually you have no right to claim the science for you cannot account for it and its laws and your "science, science" war cry is just schizophrenic and inconsistent with what you believe…
    - Jeff Dixon
      
      You continue to parrot this claim, as well as making incorrect assertions about our responses. You have never been able to show your worldview is consistent and accurate. Simply stating it is does not prove your point.
      
      Since your worldview states that death only started to occur after the fall with no proof of this statement, you still have no way to support your worldview.
      - http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
        
        "You have never been able to show your worldview is consistent and accurate. Simply stating it is does not prove your point. "
        
        Humbug Dixon.
        
        A. It was about your worldview and its impossibility of reconciling its basic premises of matter, chaos and energy only with immaterial, abstract and universal nature of scientific laws.
        
        B. In case you woke up this morning from prolonged amnesia and can't remember a thing Christian worldview does have a perfectly consistent explanation where immaterial, abstract and universal laws of science come from and why they continue to operate a thing utterly impossible for your worldview to do.
        
        The rest of your post is a smoke on the water and nothing of significance for the premise.
  - http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
    
    "I cannot create anything by reading your bible. "
    
    Nope, you can create anything by misreading the Bible…
    - Jeff Dixon
      
      What can you create by misreading the bible?
      - http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville
        
        Pseudo justification for your personal rebellion and sin against your Creator. In short the idol and false "god" of self…
  - Winston
    
    Chris, you prove what I say (and the scriptures) is true with your own words…. you are the kettle calling yourself black. There are so many pseudo-scientists mouthing off about "green" this and that, tiny sovereign island nations whinning that they won't exist if global warming continues, and speaking of "global warming" this was the worst winter in decades! It is you, my fellow mortal, who has believed the lie of your socialist/leftist/Maxist politicians and eco-nuts. Reality? You speak as if you are a writer for insane commedians. I don't blame anything on "gays"…err, you mean those who choose to be homosexual, right? Perhaps if you desire so much to "create" something, why not create your own void… the world will be a cleaner place.
George Mullins

While complete and final salvation of individuals and humanity resides permanently in the faithfulness of God yet to be realised, his only begotten Son beame flesh and lived among us and died upon a cross in complete obedience and self-surrender that we might live gloriously and eternally, He died for all mankind and it is up to his disciples in every age and place to so present him in Word and Sacrament, love and compassion, commitment and patience, sel-fsurrender and obedience. While the followers of Jesus await the Second Coming, God has not forgotten those for whom his Son died and neither should we. Judge not and you shall not be judged
George Mullins

Let us, who are privileged to know Christ Jesus, be more like Jesus and go out among those for whom Christ died acknowledging that before we ever felt so called the resurrected and ascended Jesus and the Holy Spirit are aleady there as promised. There is goodness and love, honouurable people, good famlies, charitable people, moral people, even if they are yet to understand and desire their destiny in Christ Jesus. Let's be hopeful in the Lord and not so much judgmental and scaving. Remember the parable of The Tares and the Wheat and all the other parables and especially those that have been collected and placed in the Sermon on the Mount in Matthew.
Buck

Contrary to the opinion of liberals a liberal CANNOT be a Christian . Real Christians could not even remotely accept abortion or homosexuality as anyting but SIN . The bible is unchanging as is God , believe me , you or they are not going to change Gods mind to match the changing times . These people are no more than the useful idiots of satan . As is the progressives the useful idiots of the communists .
http://www.orovalleychristianreader.com John J Flanagan

Liberals and progressives are one step close to bolsheviks in a political sense. In a religious sense, liberals and progressives do not follow the Bible, but consider it a disposable book and not one in which they want to anchor their souls. When the Bible and liberalism are in conflict, the liberal will readily abandon the Bible or call it outdated. As such, the liberal and progressive cannot be a believer in the Lord of glory and turn against the timeless words of Christ regarding the means to salvation, the way we must live, and the truths that guide and direct us.
http://youtu.be/dZezBXcIyGI Despeville

I don't see any personal voting here… http://bit.ly/rbFuHg
Anyone does???