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Common Threads Between Islam and Mormonism

A number of years ago, I was on Larry King Live and was asked point blank if I had a problem with the appointments of Justices Roberts and Alito (both are Roman Catholics). My answer was very clear that I did not, as long as they shared my own conviction of upholding the Constitution — not trying to rewrite it — and as long as they were committed to the biblical values of the Founding Fathers. I was certain that both men were.

Many people today are quoting a statement reputedly made by Martin Luther, the great reformer, that he "would rather be ruled by a competent Turk (a Muslim) than an incompetent Christian." First of all, there is no evidence whatsoever that Martin Luther ever said these words. But even if he did say them, it would have been a gross exaggeration used to make a point. He never lived under a Muslim ruler and did not know what that would be like. But I did. And I can tell you, there is no such thing as choosing between Muslim and non-Muslim leaders under Islam.

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  • Mistertea

    "..I can tell you, there is no such thing as choosing between Muslim and non-Muslim leaders under Islam."
    Never heard of Malaysia then? :/

  • http://barbourjohn.blogspot.com/2011/06/moslems-and-mormons-are-essentially.html John Barbour

    Moslems and Mormons are essentially alike.
    Both had false prophets that claimed that they had a new revelation from God. The Koran and Book of Mormon & Doctrines and Covenants etc.
    They both want us to think that they still believe the Bible but their “new revelation” contradicts the Bible. http://barbourjohn.blogspot.com/2011/06/moslems-a…

    • mary charlene Hinson

      I sugest that you contact the missionaries of the Church of Jesus Christ and be taught the truth. You need to read the book of Mormon and study with them and they will tell you that we are like the Muslins that kill people because of their faith. Further more we do not bow to Allha or any other false god. Let me know how your study with the missionaries turn out. One more point, I don't think God would allow the church to be in existance this long with His Son's name on the church if the church was an occult or false. He loves His Son and the church worship God Amightly and Jesus and I am so glad that I love this church and I have not talked against the church Jesus brought out of darkness. The book of mormon tells of the ancient prophets that came over from Jerusalem before and during Moses time on the earth. Joseph Smith, Nephi, Lehi and others are prophets that listen to the Almighty and brought his church on the earth because of the darkness of the earth.

    • mary charlene Hinson

      Please do not compare the church of Jesus Christ with the Muslins. We do not kill or hate because of religion. The church of JC of Latter Day Saints love our Heavenly Father and they believe that Jesus is the Son of God. They do not worship allah or any other false god. The book of mormon only tells of the ancient prophets that came over from Jerusalum and brought His church on earth because the earth was full of darkness back then. Joseph Smith, Nephi and Lehi and some others did the work Jesus told them to do. They do not worship these prophets but there is a true history about God's spirit telling them what to do and they obeyed. You need to study with the missionaries and get the whole truth. I know that this church was named after His Son and like I say He would not let this church stand if it was false.

    • ned kelly

      the b0ok of mormon supports the bible the islamic and catholic are much closer in belief and history having some common members.

  • mwood

    the difference is the mormans dont kill every one to please there god

    • http://barbourjohn.blogspot.com/2011/06/moslems-and-mormons-are-essentially.html John Barbour

      Not now, but in the past – Yes- the 19th century was their time.

      • daves

        Huh? The Mormons fought to defend themselves from slaughter. It is a very dark part of American history. Kind of like the hatred of Muslims now.

        • Casper777

          If I may expand on what daves said: History documents Mormons were persecuted by the general population (I don't know if you could call the general population Chirstians or not) and the Mormons kept moving west. John Smith was killed/death caused by a mob. History documents Mormons 'moved on' rather fight and kill those attacking them.

          Comparing Mormons to Islam is pure bull. A Mormon has never been a suicide terrorist and has never proclaimed to kill the infidel or other religious (if you can use the term religious) groups.

          Bottom line is after all of the writings, and preachings, we really don't know who/what God is, what is Heaven and what is Hell. Maybe we could not understand, maybe we would. It would seem reasonable for a God and Angles to make their presence known as humanity grows in knowledge. Mormons have a belief of 'Latter Day Saints', Catholics have a Pope and bestow 'Sainthood', radical Islam just kills innocent humans of their own religion or "infidels" (other religions).

          How can one compare Mormonism to Islam? You can't.

        • sixpackdan

          You cant possibility be that blind can you? Mormons fought to defend themselves yes….but they didn't commit to jihad as the muslims are now. When will the libtards figure out there is no making "peace" with these zealots.

    • http://www.biblicaljew.com Moshe A

      You aand others posting here are very wrong and some are just ignorant.

      Have you not heard of Mountain Meadows Massacre? You need to do a little homework regarding John D. Lee. He was Young's personal hitman. You can obtain a photomechanical reprint of the original 1877 edition of Mormonism Unveiled; Or The Life And Confessions Of The Late Mormon Bishop, John D. Lee from Jerald and Sandra Tanner's website out of Utah if you need more information. http://www.utlm.org

      $8.00 for a book this size is incredible!

      • Esteban Cafe

        Good heavens! You point to one point in history where the Mormons got fed up with the constant rapes and killing by their American Christian neighbors and fought back. You should be embarrassed with your selective picking through history, which only underscores your bigotry. There are many more books on Christian persecution of Jews, Mormons, and just about anyone else who does not square with your vision of God and heaven. You almost persuade me NOT to [continue to] be a Christian.

        "By their fruits ye shall know them" does not apply to anyone if it does not applied to Mormons. To even compare a single incident to the constant blood letting of Islam is insane.

    • ceemoore

      Ever hear of Mountain Meadows? If not, look it up.

      • Esteban Cafe

        Mssr Ceeless, you too offer up a bigoted attack on a humble group of people, the Mormons. You cannot really think that such a cankared opinion appeals to Christ, do you? Certainly not to the one who saved me. You sound more Muslim than Christian with your persecutory opinions.

  • Turk

    I'm not a scholer, nor am I a good speller. But for you to say that a Christian relegion is like the muslin is an impossible statement. I've read the qurain, and to compare it to the Book of Morman, I just don't see how that's possible. The qurain is a book of hate.

    • daves

      Have you read the old testament? There is a lot of hatred in that book.

      Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 )

      Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes. For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off. The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows. They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children. (Isaiah 13:15-18 )

      • Bell

        Daves, read further into the reason for these things that came about that you wrote. God NEVER does anything without a reason. He doesn't kill or allowing killing for no reason what so ever…READ FURTHER!

      • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

        Do you know what eschatological intrusion is Davies? Find out for this was only an anti-type of the reality that is coming for so many and as such not meaningless nor incidental.

      • Michael G.

        When people sight a verse(s) from the Bible (usually it's the OT), the quote has been pulled from a particular chapter for a pretext. Read the whole chapter, it will make more sense and clarify who is talking and to whom.
        In this situation it is God Himself giving the Jews a command to erase these people from the face of the Earth. This is not hatred, this is righteous anger for what those people had been doing.
        Everything in the Bible doesn't apply to you or me. This is a specific command directed to the Jews who were in the Land at that time.
        I don't know where you're getting 'hatred' out of the quotes. It looks like you're reading into the verses what is not there.

        Read how God views hatred. That may clear up the ambiguity and help you understand what is taking place.

        • Kalev

          I'm thinking Daves may be another athiest coming to this blog, thus his hatred of God and ignorance of the Bible is the cause of his ridiculous comments.

    • mary c. hinson

      Turk unless you have gone to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints anf read the book of Mormon don't state just an idiotc statesment. Your message is the lie of the devil. They, the mormons are very good christians and so don't make a statement like that again unless you have spent time and really study their religion. They are one of the most dedicated christians I have ever met, and I have been in all churches.

    • marycharlene Hinson

      Praise The Lord, thank you, I have studied with the Church of Jesus Christ and they have one God and Jesus is their Savior. I am so happy you look between the lines and really know the truth.

  • Cynthia

    I'd say a common thread between the two religions is sex. Muslim men own their wives sexual and reproductive organs when they marry them. Mormons believe only the husband can call his wife into heaven, and they believe they'll become gods and populate their own planets. They give their wives a special name when they marry, just for "calling them into heaven with". Muslim men are promised virgins in paradise. If those aren't religions based on sex, I don't know what is! They're both religions of the devil.

    • Guest

      Cynthia, you are showing your ignorance. You really should learn of what you speak of before you speak and learn it from the proper teacher. You would not go to a mechanic to learn brain surgery.

      • guest

        To the guest above:
        Cynthia is close, they both have multiple wives, if you do not give any reasons for your statements you could have just as well have stayed at home, they serve no purpose other than to feed your ego at her expense.

        • Vladimir

          Only Muslims have multiple wives.

      • Kalev

        Sounds as if your brain surgery was performed by your auto mechanic.

    • Ben E

      Your premise that eternal marriage is based on sex instead of love and spending eternity with the one you love is a quite a stretch. What you believe Mormons beleive and what Mormons actually believe are not the same. May God Bless You.

    • marycharlenehinson

      Cynthia, watch how you judge the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Have you studied with them and really prayed about what they believe. I have and your statesment is the lie of the devil. They believe in Jesus Christ and love him very much. These prophets like Joseph Smith are just people who came to America to restore the church of Jesus Christ. Read you history the darkness came because of all the false church on the earth but Jesus called these special men to restore the true church and that is the church of Jesus Christ. You are reading out of context my false lady.

    • Vladimir

      Cynthia said, "Mormons believe only the husband can call his wife into heaven".

      Please stop spouting what you think is Mormon doctrine. You are wrong! Mormons believe that neither is the man without the woman or the woman without the man in Christ. The family unit survives death. Husbands will have claim on their wives and wives will have claim on their husbands in the hereafter. Families are sealed in our temples. Men and women must enter into this covenant and keep Christ's commandments in order to enjoy their family relationships in the next life.

  • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

    There is only two kinds of faith in this world… Taking everything away and many times very important doctrines it all boils down to TRUST.

    That trust can and is placed in man's efforts and works no matter how much God or "god" or "gods" is added to that construct supposedly resulting in man's justification before God or "god" or "gods"…

    OR

    Man's trust can and is placed in its entirety in God and God alone for his justification and in light of supernaturally given man's understanding and realization of his completely depraved and sinful nature resulting in his or hers complete inability of doing anything of salvific value.

    I do not have to tell you that the first group is very populous as attested even on this site while the second is not for a man hates the idea of not being in control of his destiny and even of God or "god" or "gods"…

    This is so well illustrated here:

    “Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. The Pharisee stood and prayed about himself like this: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people: extortionists, unrighteous people, adulterers – or even like this tax collector. I fast twice a week; I give a tenth of everything I get.’ The tax collector, however, stood far off and would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, be merciful to me, sinner that I am!’ I tell you that this man went down to his home justified rather than the Pharisee. For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted.”

    ~ Luke 18:10-14 NET

    • Vladimir

      I can't believe you are finally seeing the light. "…it all boils down to TRUST." So true, Despeville. In the context of this subject, who are you going to put your trust in? Allah or Jesus Christ. The question to Muslims is nonsense. To a Mormon it is the very rock upon which the Lord has built His church, revelation. I know that the Catholics believe it was Peter, but Mormons believe Christ was talking about revelation while talking to Peter.

      Mormons say, learn about it, then ask God if it is true. Place your TRUST in God. Muslims say convert or you have two more choices, be slaves to Muslims or die. There is need for TRUST in Islam.

      As you said, …it all boils down to TRUST [in Jesus Christ].

  • daves

    Pretty much the author could have summed this up by saying they are alike in that they are different than us.

  • ONTIME

    History indicates Martin Luther was a hard core antisemetic and was more than jaded against the Catholic Church and considered a hieratic. Religions are all fraught with strong disagreements and rise and fall like any other societal exercise.

    • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

      History is not that simple especially if viewed from hundreds of years later perspective and if not researched in detail.
      Disagreements and differences do not entail a lack of truth by any stretch of imagination or logic. That is just a simplification and cheap excuse for disbelief or smorgasbord type of beliefs.

      • ONTIME

        All those collective words and we are still not quite clear on the concept……?

        • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

          What concept? You mean you bias?

          • ONTIME

            It's just a joke, whenever things are over thought the point becomes confused…..I don't consider this information to become a world changer.

          • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

            Ok. As to "world changer" information there is one like that it is called Gospel but I understand that you were not referring to that.

    • Kalev

      A read of Luther's "On Jews and Their Lies" reveals his Rabid anti-Semitism.

      • Kalev

        Therefore the blind Jews are truly stupid fools…
        Now just behold these miserable, blind, and senseless people.
        …their blindness and arrogance are as solid as an iron mountain.
        Martin Luther, On the Jews and Their Lies
        Yep, anti-Semite indeed.

        • far2right

          Not in the least. Any Jew who does not acknowledge that Jesus is the long awaited Messiah that they have been searching for for millenia – is a fool, spiritually speaking. Not naturally speaking. Luther was not referring to genetics, but rather the foolishness of the the Jewish spirit that blinds them to who God truly is. This has nothing whatsoever to do with nationality or genes. The true Israel of God is a spiritual Israel made up of elect Jews (the remnant from the whole) and some Gentiles. Perhaps if you read the bible you will discover this.

          • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

            Indeed and thank you for pointing to a massive ignorance of Kalev who does not know what he is talking about and as usual too…Everyone who denies Jesus Christ as The Lord of Glory and God is an Antichrist and such are all unbelieving Jews as are unbelieving Eskimo.

            "Who is the liar but the person who denies that Jesus is the Christ ? This one is the antichrist: the person who denies the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either. The person who confesses the Son has the Father also. "

            ~ 1 John 2:22-23 NET

        • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

          How ignorant and brainwashed you are… According to your stupefying Pharisee Judaizing works religion these words would have to be counted as anti Semitic as well and those are the words of God:

          "Who is the liar but the person who denies that Jesus is the Christ ? This one is the antichrist: the person who denies the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either. The person who confesses the Son has the Father also. "

          ~ 1 John 2:22-23 NET

  • Dave Johnson

    The real issue should be what we all agree upon, like basic Judeo/Christian values such as loving the Lord with all of our might mind and strength and our fellow men, and in upholding the 10 commandments.

    These are scary times, and if the people who hold just these common values don't stand together, we will all hang seperately!

    • Kalev

      Just one problem, the majority of Christendom doesn't uphold the Ten Commandments, they have rejected the Fourth with damnable heresies.

    • almagore

      Dave, I disagree that we should focus on what we agree on with other religions and everyone and then get together peacefully. First of all, I am not one of those people that think that it doesn't matter what we believe about God, as long as we believe something. There is a God and He is real. The Bible gives us the main knowledge that we know for sure about God. There are other religions that have some things in them that are true and some that our not. Since the Bible is true, if some other religion teaches the opposite of of the Bible, that teaching is false and to agree with it is accepting a lie.

      The main reason I disagree with your idea is because of the Muslim religion. Their Koran teaches that the Muslims should make the entire world Muslim by military force of arms if necessary. If they are strong enough they should give the conquered people a choice: Convert to Islam, agree to be the slave of a Muslim, or die. If the Muslim people are not strong enough to take over a country then they should fight a gorilla war, which is what they are doing now mainly against the US and against Israel. The Muslims will never give up and will never stop hating Jews and Christians and we need to take our head out the sand and give up our wishful thinking. I am not criticizing you, I am only disagreeing with my brother. God grant you and your family every blessing.

      • maryallen

        We can't make up our own way about God — We find Him in His Word the Bible and it is the only way to know Him.
        Jesus Christ is our only way to eternal life…
        Act 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.
        2 Corinthians 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
        John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
        John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
        Acts 16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved.

  • Grant

    I heard the 'testimony' of an Muslim-(born again Christian)….very inspiring…he said: 'they are here for many reason(s), but remember this they hate you. They want your car, your house, your wife, your money—everything. They will do everything in their power to get it…

    • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

      And what are we going to do? Call Captain America? They can come for it here and I can assure you they will get more what they bargain for… like the Gospel.

      • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

        So, your gameplan is to bore them to death? Very nice comic book reference there, Humpty. Good to see you being consistent on what you know about reality.

        • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

          No that is not the plan. If I will ever venture in that direction Thumper I will give them a couple of books by your ego placating hero Bart Ehrman or other milkers of gullible. Some of them know him already and quote him as you try to do. Talking about inconsistency for they will not allow the same standard to be used when talking about Qu'ran.
          You have a lot in common with them Thumper. More than you would ever allow yourself to see for after all you are religious too. Just different set of idols and different methodology.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Sorry, you are the one that shares commonality with the Muslims. You both live in denial of reality.

  • BILL

    The book of Revelation is final and has a warning to those who add or subtract any word of God. This should make the Mormons' and their deceived members realize that they are not "followers of Christ", but followers of their founder Joseph Smith.

    • http://www.biblicaljew.com Moshe

      Bill, you would do well to use that statement in another context. Scripture contains 66 books. Quoting the book of the apocalypse applies to that book alone. If I may, use passages such as Deuteronomy 4:2 and Proverbs 30 and Isaiah 8:20 to cover more ground. Wise ungodly people are sharp and they may call you on this. Moshe

    • Casper777

      It is my understanding that the Bible is a collection of manuscripts that were assembled into the Old Testament and the New Testament. Now some manuscripts were not included and some manuscripts have been discovered since the Bible was put together.

      Now I am not saying the Bible is false, just the opposite. It is the true word, but is it complete?

      The Book of Mormon is an account of one or more Israeli/Jewish families that relocated to the Americas in Old Testament times. The remains of this civilization (primarily in Central and South America) are now being discovered and follow many Book of Mormon accounts. Several have commented that Mormons do not believe in the 'Trinity', however the Book of Mormon speaks of the Father, Son and Spirit (Holy Ghost). Also the Book of Mormon speaks of marriage being one man and one woman. I don't know where 'multiple partners' came from.

      Mormons have a belief of 'Latter Day Saints', Catholics have a Pope and bestow 'Sainthood', radical Islam just kills innocent humans of their own religion or "infidels" (other religions).

      How can one compare Mormonism to Islam? You can't.

      • Mike Brown

        The common thread between Islam and Mormons its this: each one had a prophet that wrote a book, one wrote the Koran, the other wrote the Book of Mormon. Both Mohammad and Joseph Smith claimed to have a vision from Allah/God. Both believed in having multiple wives. Islam is a pornographic depiction of continual sex if one simply straps on a bomb and kills Jews or christians. The Book of Mormon declares Jesus the younger brother of Satan. Smith & Mohammad both took the Bible and added to it in one way or another. 1 John 2:22 defines who is anti-christ. In my opinion both religions fall into this category. Muslims believe Jesus was a prophet but not God. Mormons believe Jesus and Satan were brothers. The Bible and it alone is the true word of God. Witness what is happening in Egypt today. It was foretold in Isaah 19 that Egypt would be controlled by Muslims, Hamas has just moved their headquarters to Egypt. Mormons believe they make up the 144,000, sorry, they are Jews from the original twelve tribes, descendants of Jacob. MJB

        • maryallen

          Mike, very good insight on both religions — neither one compares to the Word of God; the Bible — absolute truth.

        • Vladimir

          Correction, Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon. Muhammad wrote it over a forty years period.

      • RNinKS

        Casper, it has been proven (via DNA analysis) that Native American Indians were of Asian descent as opposed to Jewish.

        • Casper777

          RNinKS, maybe so, but how about the civilizations of Central and South America? And the 'lost' civilizations who built the pyramids in Central America and the massive land markings in South America?

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            What about them? Can you show any evidence that they were from Israeli/Jewish families?

    • Ben E

      Mainstream Christians depend on the added word of the Nicaean Creed to explain their belief of God. All the Book of Mormon is, is a history of God's dealings with his children on the American Continents. It does nothing to change the nature of God as put forth in the New Testament. The Book of Mormon neither adds to or takes from the Book of Revelations. The scripture you mentioned Rev. 22:29 refers to the Book of Revelations and not the Bible. If it refers to the Bible, there are some real problems for all of us, as the following books were shuffled in and out of the New Testament prior to Athanasius' Easter letter proclaiming the 27 Books of the New Testament in 367 AD: Hebrews, James, 2 Peter, 2&3 John, Jude, The Shepherd of Hermas, Letter of Barnabas, Teaching of the Twelve Apostles, Gospel of the Hebrews, Didache, and Others.

  • http://yahoo.com guest

    I have never read the Book of Mormon, but have known a few. Some of the things they believe came out of the twilight zone. Muslims are just bad news. I have never read the Quran but have heard it quoted and have heard lectures by people who converted from Islam to Christianity. You can't trust them. They have no conscience about lying to or killing an infidel(anyone who believes in Christ). They goal is world domination. That was Hitler's goal too. They are the enemy of the West, of America, of freedom, of everything we hold dear. The majority of the "moderates" don't see anything wrong

    • Zack

      No where in the entire Qur'an any such thing is mentioned that anyone converting from Islam to Christianity or anyone who is a believer in Christ Jesus should be killed, no where whatsoever any such thing is mentioned. However, no Muslim is a Muslim unless he believes in all the Messengers and Prophets from Adam onward including Jesus Christ and Muhammad. Moreover Muslim is supposed to believe in all the scriptures originally sent to earlier Messengers/Prophets including Injeel i.e. (Original) Gospel of Jesus. It appears that those converts from Islam to Christianity perhaps had no knowledge of Qur'an.

      • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

        5:33 "The only reward for those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land. Such will be their degradation in the world, and in the Hereafter theirs will be an awful doom…"

  • Robert De Leon

    To begin: Martin Luther is not a "reformer". He is a heretic.
    Second: any kind of cult is alike, so it's not a surprise to me that Islam and Mprmonism are the same, invented by men.
    Robert.

    • Kalev

      Of course a Roman Catholic would think that. Problem with Luther and his "Reformer" pals is they retained 90% of the paganism the RCC adopted through Constantine. Mrtin Luther was as anti-Semtic as the RCC is.

      • Robert De Leon

        You, as same as Luther and the rest of "reformers" have a bandage on your eyes.I' ll pray to Almighty God to take your bandage off.
        Robert

        • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

          Pray for yourself idolatrous Nicolaitan for you are just as Kalev is in a damning works righteousness system of satan.

          Gross and satanic Roman Catholic idolatry: http://bit.ly/s81kBG

          • Kalev

            Hateful person you are Despeville, just plain full of hate for anyone that doesn't believe as you teach.
            Once faith in Yeshua is manifested righteous works naturally happen.
            Is that damning? To the fool like you it is.

    • Robert Taft

      You Sir, make an excellent point: the Christian Churches are all corrupted in the sense that they have no claim to any authority from God. If Peter was the last 'authorized' representative of Christ on earth (they used to be called 'prophets') , how is it that any breakoff (Luther, et al) could possibly bring said authority with them? Clearly they could not. But many of the faux Christian sects represented on this page would claim no authority is required. Moreover, the claim that they are "Spriit Filled" begs the question as to 'which Spirit'?

      The last count I had of the numerous Christian churches–after going from church to church–was 20,000. How can they all be right? They all interpret the very same scripture differently–ergo, the many breakoffs of breakoffs. "Tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine" describes them and most of the contributors on this page. So smuggly sure that they have 'The Truth" and that "They're Saved!" when all their words of condemnation belie that hope. Truly: By their fruits ye shall know them."

      • Charles Yoder

        There is no scriptural support for the idea that Peter was the last "authorized" representative on earth. He certainly did not make that claim in his letters. That is an RC claim that has no authoritative backing.
        There may be 20,000 churches but the differences are generally minor, and most accept the others as fellow Christians.

    • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

      DeLeon you would not know what heresy is even if it would sit on your head for a year for you breathe it and move in it your damning idolatrous works righteousness dead venerating pagan and pelagian satanic religiosity system of Rome.
      http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/bish…

    • Charles Yoder

      A heretic is someone who disagrees with the established religion. It's quite possible that the heretic is right and the established religion wrong. Such was the case with Martin Luther. To a certain extent, so was Jesus in the eyes of many of the reigious leaders of His time. He agreed with and practiced the laws handed down by God but disagreed with and broke some of the manmade additions to that law.

      • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

        It's quite possible that both the heretic and the established religion are wrong

  • Ben E

    "John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us." With all the hatred espoused above, no wonder so many Christians don't understand God as described in the bible and have to turn to conflicting words added some 300 years later at the Council of Nicaea. Are they one, As the Father & Son are one? These self proclaimed Christians are at each others' throats, much like the Saducees and Pharisees were at the Savior in earlier times. Some call Luther a Heritic and call Mormons a cult. What a bunch of loving, saved, Bigots who are strangers to truth.

    • Robert De Leon

      Of course you are writing about 30,000 "christian, biblical and reform" churches". Don't you?
      Robert.

      • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Psalm6915.jpg Despeville

        Keep on lying I see servant of satan DeLeon… Despite so many explanations of of your satanic lie…
        Yes DeLeon if that number is true then there are 242 Roman Catholic Denominations and Roman Church
        murdered almost 5 MLN people in their satanic madness and oppresion. Those numbers come from the
        very same source liar. VADE RETRO ME SATANA!

    • almagore

      Dear Ben E, Jesus was speaking those words to His 12 disciples and His plan for all of humanity, but a person is not automatically "One with Jesus". To become "One" with Jesus a person must first obey all of Jesus and His Father's commandments and teachings. I have to ask, when you say, "With all the hatred espoused above", are you calling people disagreeing with each other, Hatred? I don't know if that is your meaning but certainly that idea, that to disagree is to be hateful, has become more popular recently.. It is ideas like that that cause a lot of harm in the world and a lot of violence because it stops honest discussion and causes people to believe, "Wow, you disagree with me. That means you hate me! I have to get back at you and hurt you to protect myself. To disagree with someone and to tell them you disagree is really a high form of respect.

      • Esteban Cafe

        With all due respect, Almagore, you did not sense any hatred in the description of Mormons? In the comparison of these gentle people to Muslims (who HAVE a proven jihadist culture) you have a distinct allusion to hatred. You should not be so naive.

        • almagore

          Maybe we define things differently, Esteban.Despeville seems to hate the Catholic Church with real venom but his is the only comment that I hear any real hatred in it. I see a lot of people criticize different religions and say negative things about them but to me it doesn't rise to the definition of hatred. I again share my point about people calling disagreement, "hatred". I have heard some people call anyone who disagrees with the idea that homosexuality is a good thing, called a "hater" or, "you Haters" and it was the people who said that who had real hatred in their voices. I hear the same thing, people who disagree that African Americans should be getting preferential treatment. Other areas where calling people "haters" who disagree, are women's issues or sexual morality. In the present Presidential campaign, many people call anyone who disagrees with Obama about some issue, a racist which translates to calling someone a racial hater.

          If we can't discuss sensitive but issues how are we going to resolve any issues and come to some kind of working agreement about any issue? Right know we are a severely divided country in several important areas. Jesus said that a country divided against it self cannot stand and it would be helpful for us if we could be a little less divided. Now, if you are saying that some of the people writing these comments really hate the people they are talking about even if they don't express all of their negativity, you could be correct. I hate Muslim terrorists that kill Americans and kill children of any nationality but I usually don't say that or even express that in a mild way in forums like this because I think it is counter productive. Regarding whether I am naive; There are some areas that I am naive in but I don't think this is one of them. When I worked as a Registered Nurse on psychiatric units in hospitals, I saw a lot and learned a lot about the difficulties of communication and the disastrous decisions people can make when they make decisions using their emotions instead of their thanking.

          Thank you dear Esteban for taking the time and energy to comment so intelligently about my comment.

          • Vladimir

            Dear almagore, all the "hating" on this site is just words. Many like Despeville need to vent. It probably helps them stay out of psychiatric units in hospitals.

  • Gram

    The Islamist is claiming the judgment of people for not living according to their laws. The Mormons always have to use their 'book' with the Bible. Their excuse is the Bible can't stand along, because it twists and turns any which way. To me, the Bible is the only book in which to live your life by. Things stated therein, have happened already and things that are about to happen in the closing end of this world. Things of this world is brought on by man's sins. Pray that you understand what is in the Bible, the sacred and only true Word of God.

    • Howie

      GRAM, I totally agree with your statement.

    • Robert Craig

      Gram, why are there so many different Christian churches today if the Bible is so complete? Why are we all arguing over the very same scriptures and then dividing and starting a new church–or leaving the one we're in because of some pastor's interpretation of a particular scripture? We have all become "Laws unto ourselves." I fear that we are in serious jeapordy because we all think we know the truth and our"we're saved but they're not" mentality in no way endears us to Christ. "Pray that you understand what is in the Bible"? is very hopeful–and exactly what all these pastors have done…just before they divided and started their own church. I fear that the almight dollar had more sway in this decision than Almight God in most cases. Why can't we openly face this without constant attacking other religions? Let them be: let us focus on our own walk with Christ.

    • Vladimir

      Dear Gram, with all due respect, stop telling Mormons and others what Mormons believe. When you have walked a mile in our shoes, gained understanding and know what you are talking about, you will stop parroting what anti-Mormons say.

  • Bob

    If you look into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) and read the Book of Mormon with a humble heart and pray that you will know if the book is true or not you WILL KNOW through the Holy Ghost. You will understand who GOD is, and that Jesus Christ is his only begotten Son. The Holy Ghost is the the third personage in the Godhead and is a testifier of the all truth. The Holy Bible is as important as the Book of Mormon is. Both teach what GOD wants us to know in order to live so we can again live with him. Watch the LDS church live and grow throughout the world. I hope all people of the world would put GODS promise to the test and see for yourself . This way you would know what you are talking about when you are commenting on the LDS faith. Bob

    • Kurt

      Bob, well said. I looked into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and read the Book of Mormon with not only a humble heart, but with also a reasoning mind considering the History of Christianity, Boooyi, what a discovery!!!! I discovered that the Book of Mormon is like any literature book but it isn't true in the sense that, it does not in itself hold any Biblical originality. The book was written by someone who wanted to prove their case in starting/estabolishing their new religion just to confuse people. You have to remember that Mormonism has been established as little as 200 hundred years ago. Christianity has been there for over thousand years ago. Christianity was founded Jesus Christ's teachings, and Christianity was passed unto us Christians from the Twelve Apostles. I converted from the Islam to Christianity to be a follower of Jesus Christ the Lord, Savior, and God.

  • NavyCorpsman1

    I don't think any of you know what a Mormon is. You go by what other people tell you. The only similarity between Muslims and Mormons are, people want to exterminate us. The U.S. government, and state governments, has been trying to exterminate the Mormons ever since thne church was founded back in the 1820's if I'm not mistaken. This country was founded on FREEDOM of RELIGION. Am I not correct? People say that we pray to a false God. Well, if that is so, then your God is false also, as we pray to the same God. And yes, we believe in His Son Jesus Christ, hence the church name, "The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints." Before you go judging us, meet some of us, we're pretty nice people. Besides, come judgment day, it will be up to God and His Son, who is right, and who is wrong.

    • Charles Yoder

      You do not pray to the same god as we do. There is little similarity between the Mormon god and the Christian God. Our God is a spirit; yours isn't. Our God has existed from eternity; yours hasn't. Our God is the only god who exists; you believe that there are many gods. each with his own world to be god over. Our women can get into heaven on their own; yours can't. This just skims the surface of the differences.

      • maryallen

        Acturally, Charles, no one can get into heaven on their own. Each and every person has to believe in Jesus Christ as their personal savior. No one can be saved for another person.
        Act 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.
        2 Corinthians 5:21 For He hath made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him.
        John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
        John 3:36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

    • Zack

      God is only 1, not 2 or 3, or 3 in 1 or more or many. God Almighty is 1 God Only of All the Mankind which include you as well whether you're a Muslim, Jew, Christian, Mormon, Hindu, Budhist or Atheist etc. Even if you do not believe in your Creator Who created you, He still remains your 1 Lord, even if you fail to understand 1 God. Almighty is ABOVE All His creatures. Every one would know what he or she may earn in this temporary life of this world. We are all children of Adam (and his wife) – one first pair of humanity created by your 1 God, we are all one human race deserve respect from one another.

      • Vladimir

        Okay, Zack, who was Christ praying to in the Garden of Gethsemane? Why did He tell HIs disciples to pray to "Our Father who art in heaven" when He was standing right in front of them? Who did Jesus address on the cross when He spoke of being foresaken?

        Trace the origins of your belief in the "Triune God". It isn't from the Bible. It is from the Council of Nicea some three centuries after the resurrection of Jesus Christ. And unlike the Bible, there is no claim that this concept of God is inspired! IT IS EXTRA BIBLICAL and you have bought it hook, line and sinker.

  • Casper777

    There is one 'common beginning' for the Jewish, Catholic, Christian, Muslim and Mormon religions: The God of Abraham of the Old Testament. Another common element are the Ten Commandments. From there the 'influence of man' creeps in.
    Bottom line is after all of the writings, and preachings, we really don't know who/what God is, what Heaven is and what is Hell? Maybe we can not understand, maybe we would. It would seem reasonable for a God and Angles to make their presence known as humanity grows in knowledge. Mormons have a belief of 'Latter Day Saints', Catholics have a Pope and bestow 'Sainthood', radical Islam just kills innocent humans of their own religion or "infidels" (other religions).

    How can one compare Mormonism to Islam? You can't.

    • ajfrench

      The truth is inward. God has written His law on every heart. The great commandment is, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." Therefore, Jesus declares, "If you take up the sword, you will die by the sword." Everyone is granted the ability to defend oneself from destruction. However, far to many people today are hell bent on destroying themselves with drugs, liquor, incest, homosexuality, carousing, orgies, lying, gossip, sexual impurity, having children out of wedlock and the like. Then the Progressives recruit these people and convince them it is the Christian's fault they are in their fouled up situation. Anyone who keeps God's commands will live long on the earth. God Himself has promised this.

    • Zack

      Please study both Qur'an and the Book of Mormon in order to give anyof your comments on comparative religion. Likewise if you need to comment on Qur'an in relation to Christianity, I encourage you to READ THOROUGHLY both the Qur'an and the Bible YOURSELF before making any comment on Islam in the Qur'an and Christianity.

  • GUEST

    THEY BOTH ALLOW MEN TO HAVE SEX WITH MINORS WHOM THEY CAN TAKE AS WIVES. THAT ALONE SHOULD BE A RED FLAG!!

    • Zack

      No, they don't. Read Qur'an in order to know the Final Truth from your Creator.

  • ajfrench

    The Bible itself declares, for the protection of believers, there are no prophets beyond the birth of Jesus Christ. Individuals who say they are prophets and have new information are false prophets and should be harshly rebuked for the sake of all mankind. Jesus is Lord. There is NO OTHER NAME under heaven by which men may be saved and John the Baptist was the last Prophet.

    • Zack

      John the Baptist was not the last Prophet sent to the Children of Israel. Christ Jesus was the last Prophet sent by God among Children of Israel. However, there was no Prophet after Christ Jesus until Muhammad (the Last) was finally sent by God as Prophet not just for Arabs or Muslims but rather ALL MANKIND with His Last and Final Revelation "Qur'an" for entire Mankind. Therefore, Qur'an is not the property of Muslims or Arabs alone.

  • GUEST

    YES, THE WORLD IS, AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN, A RIGHT F-ING SHAMBLES, HASN'T IT? EVERY RELIGION HAS AN OPINION AND UNFORTUATLEY, MOST HAVE BEEN CREATED TO FURTHER SOMEONE'S OWN AGENDA AT A CERTAIN POINT IN HISTORY.
    I DO BELIEVE IN THE LAW OF NATURE—EVERYONE MUST RESPECT LIFE-WHETHER IT IS PLANT, ANIMAL OR HUMAN AND COEXIST PEACEFULLY AND HELP EACH OTHER BECAUSE THAT IS ALL THERE REALLY IS?

  • michaelle50

    (An LDS person who converted to Christianity-thank God.)
    LDS-
    if you are told by your leader to do a thing, do it, none of your business whether it is right or wrong" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 32).

    The LDS are told by their leaders to believe things such as this and they DO NOT QUESTION IT. If the bible says something different it MUST be a translation error and cannot be trusted.

    I was raised LDS and it was quite a struggle to get out. First step, disobey Journal of Discourses val 6 p. 32. Start questioning beliefs. Gain a true testimony of the bible and test what the Prophet and leaders say by the Word of God. Not test the Word of God by what the Prophet and Apostles say. The LDS have it backwards.

    The fact that LDS believe Lucifer and Jesus are brothers is just the tip of the iceberg my friend.
    Source(s):
    LDS 20 years converted to Christian. Praise be to God!
    http://www.equip.org/articles/the-book-of-mormon-…

    • marycharlenehinson

      The Church of Jesus Christ does not believe that lucifer and Jesus were brothers. That is the lie of the devil! You better watch how you judge the true church of Jesus Christ. They love Jesus and are very obedient and are very dedicated christians.

  • Scott Todd

    If you're a Mormon, do you agree with the statement that "As God was, so man is. As God is, so man may become"? If so, please also read Isaiah 43:10 and 44:6-8. We may both be wrong but sheer logic says that no more than one of us can be right.

  • Frank Norton

    There has been as meny religions as Gods over time, and one would think if there was only one God, people would have figured that out by now. As far as Jesus goes, he did not belong to any of the religons at the time , as he was a religous maverick. Two thousand and eleven years later, the majority of the people of Earth have figured this out and also are becoming religous mavericks . Like Jesus, other religons in order to protect their beliefs that give them some earthly advantage as meny wives and powers over others, will do to you as the Romans did to Jesus. All in the name of their God.

  • Charles Yoder

    Dead wrong. Jesus was a faithful, obedient Jew, not a "religious maverick". Check your facts before writing such incoherent nonsense.

    • Zack

      Jesus was a Jew by his tribe/family. However, Judaism – religion of Jews was invented much later Moses was gone from his people. Constitution of Judaism dates back to times of Prophet Uzayr (Ezra). None of them including Prophets Abraham, Moses, Aaron, Ezra (Uzaiyr) and Jesus followed Judaism. They all belonged to Jewish family/tribe but their religion was Islam. They were all Muslims and submitted their will to their Creator – 1 God. None of the Messengers and Prophets followed Judaism (later innovation). Jesus did not invent Christianity. Like Judaism by Jews, Paul invented Trinity for Christians (much after Jesus was gone), not Jesus Christ. In reality God always revealed same One religion throughout including Adam, Noah and Abraham wich was Truth – Islam (complete submission or surrender to 1 God).

      • guest

        Jesus was NOT a muzlim.

  • Dennis

    So much ignorance here in comments that is staggers the mind.You people really need to read the word of YAHWEH(GOD) and pray as you never have before.

  • Zack

    To understand any verse in Qur'an, it should read or examined as to what context it has been revealed and why, therefore one must read a few verses before and after the verse a non-believer of Qur'an challenges. For example: to understand verse 5:33 of Qur'an one should also read verse 5:32 to know the whole picture of God's directive. eg. "On that basis: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if anyone killed a person – Unless it be (through court) for murder or for spreading mischief in the land – It would be as if he killed all mankind (all people on earth); And if anyone saved a life, it would be as if he (or she) saved the life of all mankind (all people on earth). Then although there came to them Our Messengers with Clear Signs, yet even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses and do injustices in the land". (5:32).

  • michaelle50

    The mormons DO believe that lucifier and jesus are brothers-I have two dedicated mormons in my family and they admitted this. Ha be careful how I talk about a false church that preaches another gospel. You people are the ones in danger of judgement.

    Mormon theology teaches:
    * God was born and raised on another planet.
    * He has a harem of wives.
    * They produce spirit-babies that are sent to earth; there they gain bodies and earn sainthood.
    * Jesus is the brother of Lucifer.
    * Jesus is the chosen/elected savior by a council of gods from other worlds.
    * America is the promised land, not Israel. The holy city is Independence, Missouri, not Jerusalem. Jesus' latter-day agenda is to return to Missouri.

  • michaelle50

    http://www.equip.org/articles/the-book-of-mormon-…

    Cult
    Typical with cults that use the Bible to support its position is a host of interpretive errors:
    Taking verses out of their immediate context.
    Refusing to read verses in the entire biblical context.
    Inserting their theological presuppositions into the text.
    Altering the Biblical text to suit their needs.
    Latching onto one verse to interpret a host of others.
    Changing the meanings of words.
    Proclaiming some passages to be figurative when they contradict their doctrines.
    Adding to the Word of God.

    Mormons have perverted the gospel of Christ.