Cross raised on Marine base might come down
The Marine Corps said Monday it is reviewing whether to remove a cross placed on a Camp Pendleton hilltop earlier this month by Marines honoring four comrades killed in Iraq.
The review came after an atheist group argued that the cross on government land violates the separation of church and state.
Several Marines, as well as the widows and children of two of the fallen Marines, carried the 13-foot-tall cross up to the hilltop on Veterans Day. The did so on their own and without Corps permission.
The cross replaced one that had been there since 2003 until it was destroyed by a brushfire in 2007.
“Camp Pendleton legal authorities are researching and reviewing the issue in order to make a judicious decision,” the Marine Corps said in a statement reported by the Los Angeles Times Monday.
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If the Marine Corps caves in to those godless people then they are just a big "pu$$y" and resemble nothing of the Marine Corp of the past. They BETTER leave that cross alone!!!!! PC has gone too far, it is NOW time to kick a$$ and take names.
-RobinPCAs a Marine, You swear to "GOD, Country and Corps" in that order. There is no such thing in the constition that says seperation of church and state. Honor the fallen…Semper Fi.
-1SG V R MyersThe First Amendment to the Constitution says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…" This gets broken down into two areas. The first is the Establishment Clause, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.". Thomas Jefferson made sure the intent of this clause was well understood with his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. In this letter he stated very clearly that there was a "wall of separation between church and state," which led to the expression "Separation of church and state." The second part of the amendment, the Free Exercise Clause", is what the Christians try to hang their hat on in regards to be allowed to do anything in regards to their religion. However, the courts have generally ruled that while most individual religious exercise is allowed, this does not prohibit the government from passing laws that impact certain religious practices. The first case to examine this clause was Reynolds v. United States. This was a case dealing with the prosecution of a polygamist. He tried to argue protection under the Free Exercise Clause, but the court ruled against him.
Jefferson's Danbury letter has been cited favorably by the Supreme Court many times. In its 1879 Reynolds v. U.S. decision the high court said Jefferson's observations "may be accepted almost as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment."
-Jeff DixonCongress (That's the Federal Government) shall make no law . . .That does not prevent individual States from "establishing" a religion – see the tenth amendment.. By the way – what part of NO LAW do the federal judges not understand?
-CecilMy thoughts exactly Cecil!
-ORBTherefore, it is allowed for someone to have multiple wife's if their religion requires it? Can someone smoke cannabis if their religion requires it? Can a Satanist mutilate cats in worshiping their god? If there can be NO LAW forbidding it, on what basis can these actions be denied?
-Jeff DixonHey Jeff a very happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. Think if you have someone to be thankful to in the ultimate sense which goes far beyond creaturely subjective thankfulness.
-DespevilleThank you for pretending to offer me a Thanksgiving wish when all you really wanted to do was offer up more religious delusional beliefs and attempt to criticize me for how you think I view the day.
I hope you have an actual happy Thanksgiving.
-Jeff DixonThe First Amendment to the Constitution says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…"
Well now Jeff; when Congress passes laws that prohibit A cross because of Atheist protest, deny a minute silence for prayer because of Atheist protest , outlaw the Pledge of Allegiance because of the words "Under God" because of Atheist protest, the Congress IS establishing a religion…. the religion of Atheism, and that is directly against the 1st Amendment.
-StanThey do not pass laws denying all crosses or all moments of silence. They do not allow these events to occur when government officials are the ones in charge. The Pledge is an interesting topic. The original Pledge was altered in 1954 with the words "under God". For some reason the Pledge as it was originally written was perfectly fine for 62 years before it was changed. The Pledge, without the words under god, got us thru the Great Depression and WW I & II. But in 1954, it was changed. Since then, it has become a point of contention instead of a national unifying statement of allegiance. Modifying the Pledge with the words under god has not made the USA a more religious country. The country is not more prosperous. All it has done is cause division. Hardly an event to be proud of.
Atheism is no more a religion than not stamp collecting is a hobby.
-Jeff DixonAtheism is a religion of the material world denying the existence of the Spiritual. The followers are zealous in destroying the Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion the Constitution grants all American Citizens.
-StanI see. So, just exactly how am I zealously destroying your freedom of speech or religion?
If you bother to read many of the other posts on here, you will see that it is the Christians who keep telling to me to not exercise my freedom of speech.
-Jeff DixonYou are not destroying anything of that sort. If anything yo are destroying yourself.
-DespevilleAccording to your beliefs, your god destined me to destruction before I was even conceived.
-Jeff Dixon@Jeff Dixon: The establishment clause means that the government shall not establish a "State Religion"…and that is all that it means. The founders of this nation escaped religious persecution from mostly England and thus had no intention of allowing atheism to dictate what is right or wrong for persons to have "free exercise" of their own beliefs. And, that includes your religious cult of atheism (which Satan is your god). Now, go away.
-WinstonWhile the First Amendment undoubtedly was intended to preclude the government from establishing a national religion as you note, that was hardly the limit of its intended scope. The first Congress debated and rejected just such a narrow provision (“no religion shall be established by law, nor shall the equal rights of conscience be infringed”) and ultimately chose the more broadly phrased prohibition now found in the Amendment. In keeping with the Amendment’s terms and legislative history and other evidence, the courts have wisely interpreted it to restrict the government from taking steps that could establish religion de facto as well as de jure. Were the Amendment interpreted merely to preclude government from enacting a statute formally establishing a state church, the intent of the Amendment could easily be circumvented by government doing all sorts of things to promote this or that religion–stopping just short of cutting a ribbon to open its new church.
-dougindeapIf that were true, then it would permitted to do anything when worshiping a god.
-Jeff DixonJeff, I am sure that the cross was not put there as a religious statement. but as a memorial to those christians who gave their lives in defense of this country and it's freedoms which you enjoy and are so willing to subvert to your way of thinking and denying the same privileges to others
-JPMYES AMEN WE KEEP THE CROSS SEND ALL THE ATHEISTS TRASH TO IRAQ WITH ALL THE OTHER NON BELIVERS ARE.
Anne
-ANNE G.Valrico
FOR SURE!!! They are worthless pieces of human refuse, let them go be with their kind!!!!
-jimJim, Jesus Christ died for atheist the same as He died for all mankind. They are not worthless to God for He loves them with impersonal love the same as we are to love all mankind. Impersonal love is from who and what you are; not who or what anyone else is.
-maryallenI Peter 3:18 For Christ also died for sins once for all, the just for the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, having been put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;
Jim, Jesus Christ died for atheist the same as He died for all mankind…"
That is not true and in fact a direct lie about the Gospel and contradiction to these and many other Words of God:
"And they *sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are You to take the book and to break its seals; for You were slain, and purchased for God with YOUR BLOOD men FROM every tribe and tongue and people and nation. “You have made THEM to be a kingdom and PRIESTS to our God; and they will REIGN upon the earth.”
~ Revelation 5:9~10
Going with your universalistic potential atonement God denying pagans are PRIESTS to God which is and a nonsense and violation of above and other texts for Christ died to atone for people FROM every tribe and tongue and people and nation and not for all people and all nations as you in your men traditions insinuate.
-DespevilleJesus doesn't think they are worthless, Jim. I think I'll believe Him over you, any day.
-Linda F.For what its worth I as a U S Army Vetran had taken an oath to Uphold the Uninted States Constatution and that included the Bill of Rights of We the People of this Christian Nation Not for some Forign Uninted Nations of Athiest,s or Comunist Progresives My Pledge of Alegence sayes I pledge alegence to the Uninted States of America Not to any Forign Country And Not to The World itn (Continues to say)and to the Republic for witch it stands It dose not say (and for the Democricy for Witch it Stands for a democricy is Just one step From Comunisem)(It continues to say)ONE Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice For All (toGod Not toAlligh Not To Budda Not to Mahamid not to(athest) but to (GOD) and Justice for All not For Justice For Some .period so Marines if you are true Americans and trouthers then KEEP YUUR OATH Otherwise you Marines are Traders to the Unintes States of America and the Americn Citisensyou Swore to Protect if you allow Dictators to Destroy the American Nations Highest Symble Whats next the Flag your Country then your Intire Way of Life,s Including Yuur Famileys Life,s
-robertI believe it is past due time to disband and outlaw the ACLU and tell the athiest sob's to go to he##. This country was founded on Judeo Christain principles & values. If this offends anyone then they only have to leave and we should help them pack for maybe Iran or Venezuela.
-Rick J BrimerSo you think the freedoms in our Bill of Rights apply to you but not the ACLU or atheists?
Who else don't they apply to? Union teachers? Democrats? RINO's? Most likely anyone that does not agree with you.
-davesdaves That is the point it appears that's what you are trying to do.
-JPMDisband the ACLU? Yes, please! They spit on our freedoms every day, and I would be thrilled if they were disbanded and defunded.
Tell the atheists that they are "SOB's" and that they should, "Go to Hell"? Never.
Shame on you, Rick.
-Linda F.YOU are right, I think the Atheist have a right to believe in No GOD and to be stupid and if they have blood flowing in their veins How do they think it got there and the ability to breathe if it is not a GOD!! no big bang theory here for sure!!! and we should pass a law that they have to leave the country if they don,t believe in OUR GOD {JESUS} as the muslims say if we don,t worship their god we should be killed!!!
-william g munsonWilliam I have no problem with the big bang theory. God said it and BANG it was there.
-JPMFirst and foremost, this is a CHRISTIAN NATION and whoever doest like it can go to a communist country and live there.
-pacamommaIm sick of the attack of Christians in this country. WE have EVERY RIGHT to practice our faith in this country WITHOUT
interfearance from ANYONE. PERIOD. PRAISE JESUS. JESUS, JESUS, JESUS
Yes, not too many get that the relevant phrase in the 1st amendment is, "…freedom of religion…" and not "freedom from religion." The best way to fight these godless wackos is to declare atheism a religion, and then tell them to STFU.
-Mike_ShieldsThe Constitution is the document that created the government of the USA. It is a secular document that has no mention of god or Jesus in it. This is a secular country. The majority of the citizens are Christian, but that does not make the country a Christian nation.
According to Census 2000, 281.4 million people were counted in the United States — 143.4 million of whom were female and 138.1 million male.1 The former made up 50.9 percent of the population, compared with 51.3 percent in 1990. Since there are more women in this country then men, should we start calling the USA a matriarchal society?
-Jeff DixonNo, we should call it "a target rich environment", since women outnumber us men. (PS: Don't tell my wife I said that
)
-petroskhan1262You are pretty safe since we have no idea who you or your wife is. You would actually be safe even if we did know. Your comment is hardly a slam against women.
-Jeff DixonWasn't meant that way, so you're probably right. Just can't be too sure with women.
-petroskhan1262A quiet tongue is often the best approach.
-Jeff DixonJeff, what does being matriarchal (or not) have to do with the cross on the marine base?
-American GramNothing. That was not the issue I was discussing then. I was commenting whether the USA is a Christian country simply because the majority of the citizens are Christians or not. I was pointing out that just because there are more women in the country, it does not mean we are a matriarchal society, in the same way that the fact that there are more Christians here means we are a Christian nation.
-Jeff DixonDump the atheist and their wants and issues. If they dont believe then let it be, to be a non and complain about what someone does or believes is stupid. The cross has nothing to do with Gov other than the soldiers work for the gov. Funny you dont hear or see them protesting the radicals that did 9-11 based on their religion, or the same radicval groups today and still nothing and that is seperating you from your life.
-RickIf you bothered to actually read or listen to what Atheists say and write on the subject of 9-11, you would see that they condemn the Muslims and the religion of Islam completely.
-Jeff DixonThese atheist fools still dont get it. With out the Military they would not have their freedon to do their ****** work. They would be speaking anothe language and no freedom as we have
My symphety to the widdows and children to the fallen Marines.
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-WatkinsAsking that the separation of church and state be observed is not asking that the military disband. Of course we realize the military protects our rights. They protect the rights of ALL citizens.
-Jeff DixonPerhaps a way to fight Atheists is to declare that the "campaign against religion" is, in itself, a form of "religion" and their actions are also violating the "separation of church and state", as well as the 1st Amendment . . .
-DaveAmen Dave!
-JaniceAmen, amen! My thoughts exactly! Why should we all march to the atheisits drummers?No children singing "Silent Night", or Away in a Manger" or "God Bless America". Why are we all sitting around letting this happen? We aren't asking the atheists to belong to a certain religion….we are just asking them to let us express ours.
-Mary EAs a Former Marine my advice is "Leave the Cross Standing", it's time make a stand for the values of the Nation that we have protected since "Tuns Tavern" 1776!!!!!!!!
-CHRISTOPHERKey word – "Former".Today`s Marines,just like all Marines,do as they are ordered to do.The only difference is the orders given to today`s Marines.
-JerryThe higher ups in the the entire Military have bee bought,and sold to the highest bidder.Today! Fox Holes are full of Atheist until the last moment yet they Reject God! until that last moment…it`s all an act;…Atheist have nothing to hold on to.I`m glad,in a way,that Bob Hope isn`t here to be told that he can`t do his show if he mentions God,or the Chaplains have to take down their tents,and the Marines,and Soldiers do nothing to put an end to the madness,and just do as they are told.
I have to agree with the statement of higher ups. To me most are politcians in uniform and would sell us out in a heartbeat. If I recall correctly our generals/admirals are all promoted by congress
-JPMMaybe it is time for the Marines and Marine veterans…and all military veterans… band together and take this nation back. I do agree that the upper echelon of ranks (and they do stink!) are more political than military leaders. Our government has lost the balance the Founders intending the nation to have… We the People have become walked on and trampled down for decades by Washington elites and payed off by lobbyists and global socialists.
-WinstonA military coup d'état. What a wonderful way to show the world how a successful constitutional republic operates. We can join the ranks of the South American countries using the military to overthrow the government. Brilliant idea.
-Jeff DixonJeff have you ever been in the military? Have you ever done anything in the defense of this country If not then why do't you just shut up. Unless you have served this country in it's defense you should peddle your lame ideas elsewhere. That is my opinion and I served for 22 years to protect the likes of you yet you think that you have the right to dictate to those of us who have done something for this country. We are not forcing our beliefs on you don't try forcing yours on us. As for your statements about cats there are other laws that are being broken here.
-JPMyou are really streching things when you try justifying yourself this way.
Nope, never been in the military. Have I done anything to defend the country? I pay taxes and vote, which is what the majority of people in this country have done. However, I am hard pressed to know what you think I have said to critize the military. I am an advocate of the military. Which is why I would expect them to defend the Constitution which clearly states there is a separation of church and state.
As for shutting up, no sorry, your desires will not accomplish that either. That pesky First Amendment allows me the right to speak my mind. But thank you for showing that you do not take your oath of service very seriously.
-Jeff DixonGot news for ya Mr.Dixon.We are becoming like South American countries and the like ilk.Why? Because we are being subverted from within with all this liberal,socialist,marxist,anti-christian ideologies and hate.You know.Like you show all the time here in your posts.
-DennisSince I do not make liberal, socialist or Marxist comments, I have no idea what you are talking about. I am a fiscally conservative Republican. Now, I do voice comments against the myths of god and religion. I assume your tiny brain cannot grasp the idea of a Republican Atheist, but we do exist.
We are far from becoming like South America. I was being sarcastic when I commented above. America is the most successful country the word has ever seen. One of the reasons is because our founders were smart enough to keep religion and government separate. You should learn from them instead of trying to rewrite our history.
-Jeff DixonSo, you are a anti-American too in addition to being anti-Christian. What a foolish person.
-WinstonBut, Jeff doesn't our constitution allow this action should our politicians/ government become corrupt and turn against the rule of the people? Can't have it both ways.
-JPMTun Tavern, Birthplace of the USMC http://johncrandall.suite101.com/tun-tavern-birth…
Interesting story on the formation of the Marines.
-Jeff DixonAMEN!!! I agree, let the cross remain. Seperation of church and State states that their shall not be a State mandated religion, it does not state religion is not a part of the State. All of our memorials in D.C. are inscribed!!
-GGBGGB: I defy you or anyone else to find the term "Seperation of Church& State" in the constitution. What it does say is " The government shall make no law establishing a religion.nor deny or restrict the free exercise thereof. This is why the aclu should be outlawed because of their lying as to what the constitution says.
-Rick J BrimerIf we let them take down the cross then what is next? our flag??? This countru was founded on christianity and freedom. If someone don't like it then they can get the H— out of MY country. GOD BLESS AMERICA and may the power of JESUS rule!!!!
-AlanSo let's just send the f…ing athiests over somewhere and get there asses shot up.
I promise I won't erect a monument to them.
from a VietNam Marine.
-Stephen Hillernot clear that advocating violence against the godless heathens is a good idea, Stephen. Here's another plan, atheists like this are usually environmentalists as well, therefore, let them know they can reduce their carbon footprint by refusing to exhale.
-Mike_ShieldsAMEN, Marine!!!
-PattyI Served 14 years in the Marine Corps with 4 tours in Nam. I can not beleive that the Marines would ban the Cross at Pendelton. all because a couple of anti-GOD folks don't like it. And as for the seperation of Church and State. It does not mean that we can not ACKNOWLEDGE our LORD and SAVIOR JESUS it simply means that the GOVT cannot establish a releigeon. I Pray that my Beloved Marine Corps will NOT Cave in to this satanic Group. TO many Marines gave their lives to protect our Freedoms.
Sgt L.D. Garrett 1957-1971
-Gary"Welcome Home, Gary." From an veteran Army "sky soldier", 11th Air Assault Division.
-WinstonRight back at you Winston Praise our JESUS we both made it back. And now some atheist group is trying to remove the GREATEST SIMBOL on the face of this earth, I Pray that my Beloved Corps will tell the Anti Christ Group
-Garywhere they can GO!!!.
Sgt. Garrett, thank you and all those who served in Nam; you are appreciated. Our family honored your return. My brother served and we all understood the sorrow of those who returned to a confused country.
-maryallenWell Said Gary, Your a patriot and thank you for your service to our still great nation even though obama and the left hate us.God Bless America and our Troops.
-Guy BlanchardHow can a symbol of something a person does not believe in offend them? Perhaps
-S. Finethe atheists need to examine themselves and leave those who believe and find comfort
in The Cross alone. In addition the separation of church and state was established so
that EVERYONE could be free in this country to practice their religion without state
involvement.
The cross does not offend us. Atheists simply point out that when the government allows it to be posted on public land, they are elevating it to a higher position than other religions. That is promoting a religion which the Constitution does not allow.
-Jeff DixonThe constitution says Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion. The way you "establish a religion is to require tax money be used to pay the expenses – salaries, meeting places, supplies, (and that requires oversight of the spending, and that brings about congress' interference in what the members of such a religion are allowed to believe and do.) Honoring Christian soldiers who have fallen in the line of duty with a symbol of their belief is in no way an establishment of Christian religion.
-CecilJeff, go find something to "build up" instead of continually trying to destory the symbol of the only thing that can rescue our country from the cesspool we are becoming. We have survived BECAUSE of God's blessings, not IN SPITE of Him. You have no idea what you are doing.
-KittyKatI am very clear on what I am doing. I am advocating that the country actually comply with the law of the land. If you want to waste your time placing crosses on private property, knock yourself out. However, on public property, with the acceptance of the government, it is the government promoting one religion over another.
-Jeff DixonJeff are you a lawyer or a judge or just a wannabee. What gives you the right to dictate to anyone. It is certaily not your streched and limited understanding of the intent of the constitution. Go peddle your papers elswhere.
-JPMI am not dictating anything. I am voicing an opinion, which is a right entitled to all US citizens, whether you like it or not.
-Jeff DixonYes, KittyKat, the cross is the symbol of our salvation; not any religion. Jesus Christ died spiritually on the cross as our substitute for our sins. All we need to do is believe on Him for eternal life with Him.
-maryallenJeff, its not a government sponsored or installed cross, but then IDIOTS like you keep harping on separation of church and state and sorry the only separation I see so far is Atheists bashing Christianity and crosses but never hear about any of you bigots ever saying anything about Islam or any other religion, just Christianity.
-Guestand not the Constitution says CONGRESS shall pass anything pertaining to religion, it NEVER stated a separation of faith from government.
Government is benign, PEOPLE are religious, so only foolish Atheists can practice their non religion? Sorry these men carried it up on their own time and replaced something that was destroyed and had permission give to be up from before.
Until all ofthe Atheistic front groups quit bitching and spending money where it doesnt need to be WASTED and start donating to charities and such, go jump in the lake.
Today I feel just great ,,, For once most of the replies are positive. "O TO HELL YOU antheist." My dearly beloved Marines better not cave in to these retards we have to deal with in this great country of ours. When we were in Iraq, we had to take our crosses off our necks because it offended them. What in hell is wrong with our leaders. When these prisoners in jail off of Cuba wanted a rug to pray on we gave it to them when they wanted the coron book we had to put white gloves on to handle their coron. Bull crap. They are prisoners treat the As.. holes like prisoners. And if these antheist want a country without religion, I will start a collection to ship their butts to a country where they have none. We shall see how long before they kiss the ground we live in here. GO TO HELL ANTHEIST, if you don't believe in GOD that is your problem . we live in a country without being arrested for believing as you do . Don't you dare try making me believe as your sorry butt believes. Semper Fi Once a marine always a marine. Don't buckle under and make me disapointed of being a Marine
-MichaelThe prob is not with them, it's with the ATHEISTIC MUSLIM INCOMPETENT in the white house!!
-jimIt is that the law of the land prohibits what they are doing.
-Jeff DixonBullcrap
-JPMWhen I was in the Marines in boot camp in 1980 they told us to pick a religion because you ARE going to church on Sunday.
-davesIt is well beyond time we stop catering to the fluff of the lunatic fringe. The United States of America IS a nation based on Judeo-Christian principles. I am sick and tired of these miniscule anal retentives dictating to the vast majority. It's time for America to show some backbone and thell these bolsheviks to take a flying leap.
-Capt Gene. Please describe these unique Judeo-Christian principles. As they must be unique to the Judeo-Christian heritage, they obviously would not exist in any other religion or culture.
-Jeff DixonQuit trying to twist something that you know nothing about to your advantage.
-JPMObviously, you have no real answer to my question. What a surprise.
-Jeff DixonPost a guard near the cross with orders ,,shoot to kill anyone that would try to remove it. GOD BLESS AMERICA.
-BobSEMPER FI
it,s time for all marine,s to stand up for america and all soldier,s of america to stand that,s what were all about america let,s tell the rest to leave if they don,t like what we stand for.
-mike steadThe Marines already are well versed at how best to accommodate this atheist slime! Lock-n-load!!!
-BigPat7Yes, having the Marines start shooting citizens is the best way to deal with the issue. Nothing crazy about that idea. (eyes roll).
"You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into."
-Jeff Dixon- author unknown
There is an ancient saying that applies here: "There's no atheist in any foxhole"!!!! Seems like people find God real quick like!!!!
-CHRISTOPHERhttp://www.militaryatheists.org/expaif.html
Actual atheists in foxholes show this to be another unfounded myth.
-Jeff DixonThe separation of church and state simply means the government can not establish any sort of "state religion". That was put into the constitution because Mother England" had set up a state religion…the Anglican Church, if I remember correctly. Most any nation with a state sponsored religion is, at best, a faltering, failing nation with no real backbone of freedom. MARINES! Don't cave in to these lilly-livered enemies of freedom!
-Dave P.In GOD we trust! NOW it is time to stand up for our faith! GOD bless America!
-Lars LundstromThe anti-God, anti-Christian, and anti-Israel government mentality is now going to result in God removing His blessing and protection from our military. How arrogant can this government become? It is going to fall flat on its face…wait and see. My prayer is that God will have mercy on the sincere believers who still have reverential fear of His power and might….but for the others, they're hell bent on going to be with their father of lies anyway. So be it.
-WinstonS. Fine, atheist have nothing to believe in and want the rest of us to not believe in anything either. Misery loves company.
-maryallenHowever, we as believers need to pray for those who want to take God out of our Nation's principles.
I John 5:19-20 We know that we are of God and that the whole world lies in the power of the evil one. And we know that the Son of God has come, and has given us understanding so that we may know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
I Tim 2:1-2 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.
Winston i got news fro you.GOD(YAHWEH) has removed his blessings and protection long ago from this country.Because we have turned our faces from him, in part, by supporting those who are not his chosen nor know his SON.Wake up….
-DennisWhich country would you say this god of yours is blessing right now?
-Jeff DixonA very prideful and dumb question, Jeff.
-WinstonDennis you seem to not know the difference between God removing His blessings from the country, and from removing His blessings and protection from the military. The U.S. military is not a part of the government, but does have a counter-balance of civilians appointed by the President and in committees in Congress to ensure the Military does not run amock with too much power. When the homosexuals made advances to be open in the Military forces, God will not protect nor bless their actions or leadership because it is counter to His righteousness.
-WinstonHow many of the soldiers who are honored with the cross were Christian? The cross is there to honor them for having given their lives in obedience to their orders, not to proclaim that they were Christian.
For many years, when I have seen a cross by a highway, I have thought of it as marking a place where someone died, not as a place of Christian worship.
In Utah, where the majority of the people are not Christian, and do not use the Cross on or in their places of worship, crosses were erected at places where highway patrolmen died while doing their duty. Each was erected to honor a patrolman who gave his life while serving, not to show that a Christian was there or to indicate that the site is a place for Christian worship. The ignorant who believe that a cross is nothing but a symbol for Christianity are having their way in objecting to the presence of the crosses on public land.
Those who object to the presence of the cross at Camp Pendleton are just as ignorant as those who object to the crosses by the Utah highways.
-JohnnyThere is no separation of church and state anywhere in the Constitution of the the United States, yet the ACLU and all other atheists continue to spout it as though it is part of the Constitution, which it clearly is not if anyone ever bothered to actually read it. The truth is Thomas Jefferson wrote it in some letters which the left wingers now use to beat we Christians into submission with. Any Marine worth his salt would never let these scumbag atheists destroy something sacred! Semper Fi!
-Max HeadroomI was going to post something similar. There is NO (so called ) "Separation of Church and State" written within the U.S. Constitution, or any other Historical foundational documents. Is it recorded in a document? Yes, but it's to a Church, and not to our Nation as a whole.
-hshermI can recall reading app. a year ago, about a court's decision which pointed out that the " "Separation of Church and State" does not exist within the U.S. Constitution " (paraphrased); and they had the case tossed out. I can't recall the state where the court is at, nor the exact case, but I know it exists. If someone knows it, maybe they will be kind enough to share it.
Since the Supreme Court does agree that there is a separation of church and state and specifically references Jefferson’s letter as a major reason they accept it, any lower court ruling (even assuming it actually exists) would not impact the issue in any meaningful way.
-Jeff DixonI'm sick of these atheists imposing their "religion"on everybody else.
-RobertoTHERE IS NO SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE IN THE CONSTITUTION , THE BILL OF RIGHTS or any other founding document, It exists only in the sick minds of liberals and those intent on destroying the last bastion of freedom in the world. We all know it was mentioned only in a personal letter written by Thomas Jefferson.
-KittyKatWhat the hell is wrong with our COMMON SENSE ???? The muslims (by the hundreds) can pray in the streets of New York and close down streets, but we as Christians have no rights. Our laws are being used against us. Political correctness will be the downfall of America…you can see it happening as we speak. The athiests have more rights than we do. The courts and the government are filled with communists. God save us…
-jackie820Ignore the atheist. If people can't see that this group is insane and wanting to hurt decent, then they have a problem.
-KnowTheTruthTodayFolks, I'm retired military myself, (Air Force to be exact) and I have a copy of the constitution of the United States of America and I've read it and No where…I repeat, No where does it say anything about seperation of Church and State. Now this whole thing about Seperation of Church and State I personally believe is a fabricated Lie, i base this upon the time when i was on Active duty serving at Lackland AFB when Clinton was in office and someone from the WH had perpetuated a lie that anyone caught critizing Bill Clinton would be in Danger of losing their retirement benefits, so I'm sorry but this lie was and is being perpetuated by liberals who are extremely jealous of our military, because they don't have the balls to serve, not to mention that (and having experienced this first hand) their wives and girlfriends find us Veterans a lot more interesting than their spineless, gutless and boring husbands and boyfriends
-crewchieffYou are absolutely correct, it does not say anything about seperation of Church and State, it does say the Government shall not establish a religion. The Founding Fathers thereby guaranteed that there would be no hindrance to the absolute free exercise of the religion of each individuals choice.
-CHRISTOPHERcrewchieff, the term separation of church and state got its foot hold back in the 20s or 30s when a position paper from a Supreme Court Justice, Hugo Black, Democrat, KKK member, closet communist, took this stance and that got all the Marxist/Leninist/communist/Atheist ilk all revved up.
-GuestLets see how many Marines will defend a cross dedicated to fallen soldiers, bet ya every one of them will.
Amen, Crewchieff! I found this to be true as well, yet we have so many ignorant people who choose to believe otherwise. It's purpose was to prevent exactly what our government is attempting to do.
-DennisAs a Army veteran of the immediate post-Korean War era and Vietnam War era, I agree with you and it is why I am a member of "Oath Keepers". Every military person taking their oath to serve to protect and preserve the U.S. Constitution did so as a permanent oath, not just for their term of service. http://oathkeepers.org/oath/
-WinstonYou are totally correct. I am also retired Air Force. On April 7th 1980, I raised my right hand and sword to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic. It is unfortunate that we now have a domestic enemy of the constitution and he is in the White House of all places. I also have a deep respect for the Constitution and when it comes to religious freedom, the Constitution is quite clear and I really have difficulty why we tolerate a blatant misinterpretation of the 1st amendment. Regarding religion the Constitution states that "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof… We can break this simple sentence into its grammatical parts. First we have the subject "Congress". Then we have the verb "shall make" which is in the imperative sense. Then we have the object "no law". The remainder of the amendment modifies the object "law" by describing what kind of laws that Congress is prohibited from making. There is nothing in there that remotely suggests that a cross cannot be displayed on a military base. The Constitution only states that Congress cannot make a law requiring that cross to be there nor can they make a law prohibiting it from being there. In other words, the writers of the constitution respected religion as an inalienable right and therefore decided to tell Congress to go "hands off" on any matters regarding religion. The problem is that we need to put some people into the Federal Government who are properly educated in English grammar.
-SteveStand and DELIVER, as there is no statement in the CONSTITUTION RELATING TO SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE. Nothing more than POLITICAL CRAP from the BIGGEST BUNCH OF EDUCATED DUMMIES IN WASHINGTON.
-DickAtheist cry out loud and clear to put down the beliefs of those who honor Jesus Christ and say we harass THEM. It is the other way around; THEY think it is their duty to harass and put down what we believe in since they have nothing to believe in. What they don't realize is that they are led by a power that they cannot overcome unless they believe in Jesus Christ as their savior.
-maryallenEph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
1 Corinthians 2:14….But the natural man (unbeliever) receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. (change of mind towards Christ).
You were just like them and so was I. We too were the enemies of God and there is absolutely nothing better in me or you to justify God's mercy extended to us.
-DespevilleI know another cross, a bloody cross, on a another hill. People have been trying to get rid of that one for a long time also. Many men have fought and died for both. It looks as though its going to happen again. I am ready.
-Nam VetLock and load. Semper Fi.
There is NOTHING in the Constitution about the separation of church and state; NOTHING. Only that the state cannot prescribe what religion must be practiced. These IDIOTS always refer to an extraneous letter written concerning separation of church and state, read the Constitution dummies.
-DanStewartThere is no verse in the bible that mentions the Trinity either. By your logic, that means it does not exist. However, as Christians are so fond of stating, you must understand the context.
The idea comes from Thomas Jefferson because of his use of the phrase "wall of separation" in his famous letter to the Danbury Baptist Association. Just how important was that letter, anyway?
Supreme Court decisions through the past two centuries keep referring to Thomas Jefferson's writings as instructive in how to interpret all facets of the Constitution, not merely with regards to First Amendment issues — but those issues do receive particular attention. In the 1879 decision Reynolds v. U.S., for example, the court observed that Jefferson's writings "may be accepted as an authoritative declaration of the scope and effect of the [First] Amendment."
-Jeff DixonIt is always refreshing to read the loving comments from Christians. Amazing how many simply want to kill someone they disagree with.
RobinPC
it is NOW time to kick a$$
ANNE G. •
YES AMEN WE KEEP THE CROSS SEND ALL THE ATHEISTS TRASH TO IRAQ
Winston •
Maybe it is time for the Marines and Marine veterans…and all military veterans… band together and take this nation back.
Stephen Hiller •
So let's just send the f…ing athiests over somewhere and get there asses shot up.
Bob •
Post a guard near the cross with orders ,,shoot to kill anyone that would try to remove it
BigPat7 •
The Marines already are well versed at how best to accommodate this atheist slime! Lock-n-load!!!
NamVet •
-Jeff DixonLock and load. Semper Fi.
Good observations Jeff.
-DespevilleIf I were Jeff the above quotes would put me further away from knowing Jesus Christ as my Savior. Our responsibility as believers in Jesus Christ is to have impersonal love towards ALL mankind just as God does until one becomes a child of God and He then loves us with personal love. That is what John 3:16 is all about.
-maryallenJohn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that WHOEVER BELIEVES in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
It would be so much better is Evangelicals quote and understand 1 John 3:16 rather their engagement in their rampant and ignorant abuse and mutilation of John 3:16.
-DespevilleAs a conservative Christian, I don't see the problem here. If we are to truly study (and follow) the Bible, do we care about outward signs of faith? Are we the rich man Jesus spoke of, making a big show of his donation to the temple? Our faith is about a personal communication and connection with God, not visible signs to others that "make a statement" about ourselves.
Should we try to educate others, and get them to see the importance of God's message? Of course! But should we be so vehement about erecting monuments to our faith, as if our devotion were not enough?
Ask yourself, is God impressed by some people putting up a cross (which means NOTHING to Him), or would He care more if those same people simply got together and prayed, thanking Him for the blessings of their lives, and expressing their belief that His will guides (and protects) them?
I think that, whatever the outcome, should the military decide that a vocal minority will have their say, we should (as Christians) simply allow them to do what they will. God has a purpose for everything He does, and we need to remember that we are IN this world, not OF this world. God influences, guides, and protects us. But it is, for the time being, Satan who is the ruler of this world, and we need to remember that.
Also, and I feel this is most important, by fighting tooth and nail to have our way, wouldn't we be fighting against prophecy? I am puzzled by those who claim to believe in the Bible, yet refuse to acknowledge the inevitability of its prophecies. We are told that there will be persecutions, we are told that most people will not acknowledge God, we are told that all these things MUST come to pass, and yet so many of you try to fight when you see it coming. Personally, I rejoice in it. The end is coming. The end MUST come. God has decreed a plan for this world, and it is very, very plain in the Bible. Let those who refuse to see His plan so plainly written carry out His plan. Let the blind revel in their blindness, and mock us for our sight, for we know what we see, and our eyes, open to the truth, behold so much more than this world, run by Satan, could ever offer.
As always, God Bless.
-petroskhan1262James 2:14 – What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him?
-Thomas JonesI am going to assume that your quotation is an attempt to refute what I've said. Yes?
If so, re-examine what I've written once more. I did say that we should be trying to spread the Word. I said, quite plainly, "Should we try to educate others, and get them to see the importance of God's message? Of course!"
THAT is the "work" we should be doing as Christians, that is our charge, and our obligation. I do this every chance I get, to the best of my abilities and knowledge of the Good Book.
But we must accept the fact, as written in the Bible, that most will choose NOT to hear.
-petroskhan1262Atheism is the bed rock of all communist and socialist ideologies. Atheistic communism down with God, and humanist atheism up with man. What ever happened to the constitution where congress will make no law preventing the free exercise of religion. The laughable part is that the military is there to uphold the constitution. The constitution is there to protect religion from the federal government not the other way around. Keep your weapons in good shape as the second amendment looks like it's about to kick into action, it keeps everybody honest.
-Dan BLets ask GOD what He thinks.
-blackhawkThat should settle it. Afterall, everyone always agrees with everyone else on just what it is that god says on every other topic.
-Jeff DixonGod will have the final word. The Rapture is near and Jesus Christ will soon be coming in the clouds for His Church. Hell is expanded daily, mainly for the NON-BELIEVERS but also for members of the ACLU too. Why they don't see the light yet may naver be known, but one day…………their knees too will bend and their lips will confess that Jesus is Lord.
-Captain BillEvery generation of Christians for 2,000 years have believed that Jesus will return in their lifetime.They have all been wrong. Myths do not return from anywhere.
-Jeff DixonWhat no one on this list seems to realize is that “separation of church and state” means no state interference in church affairs. It DOES NOT mean no church in state affairs!
We are supposed to do what the majority wants, not what the vocal minority wants – and Christians ARE the MAJORITY!
-Thomas JonesIf the state cannot interfere in the affairs of the church, that would mean that police cannot arrest a priest or pastor for molesting a child. That is obviously not the intent of the First Amendment. You really need to think through your opinions a lot more seriously before posting such nonsense.
-Jeff DixonHere is yet another example of a few trying to FORCE their (spineless) will on the Majority. As a Marine, I sincerely hope that the Corps doesn't cave in 2 this BS. If any organization (military or otherwise) should take a stand for the values and principles that this country was founded, the USMC should do it. Semper Fi 2 all.
-MadDog2047Romans 1:18-23 says: 18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, 21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Professing themselves to be wise, they made themselves became fools, 23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man…"
-Timothy MayThe godless dead of Islam have joined with the godless dead of the West to fight against those who justly refuse to allow surrender of a soldier's heart and memories and the surrender of the reasons for why he fights- and on hallowed ground, no less. That is what this controversy is all about. And when did Camp Pendleton become a "federal facility"? It was my understanding that this was owned by the USMC, not the fed. Even so, it is a "Marine Corps Base", not a nameless, faceless PC euphemism. Semper Fidelis from a former SSgt, and it would be a good idea to replant this monument in the midst of the sniper training range and challenge one and all who want it taken down to try…but without telling them when the range is active…
-Timothy MayIf all cross lovers refused to serve their country under the communist interpretation of separation of church and state. How many minutes of freedom would be left? RAISE HIGH THE CROSS THROUGHOUT THE LAND. MORE CROSSES LESS DOUBLE CROSSERS. http://WWW.SPIRITOFAMERICAPARTYRADIOSHOW.COM
-ABUTOMSPIRIT OF AMERICA PARTY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPp4vlUQ6gw
All this bickering is what's tearing our nation apart and this is right up the devils alley. I would simply reply to those that ask for the cross to be taken down, (you can ask all you want it is your freedom to speak but it is my freedom to have a cross in its place).
-BarbI pray to God they do not remove the cross.
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religeon, or prohibiting the free excercise thereof: or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press." – Amendment I US Constitution
I trust that the Provost Marshall, the JAG, and the High Command take in the First Amendment and clearly follow our Forefather's intentions in carrying out those famous orders. That cross does not establish a government religeon nor should the government prevent the free excercise of same. The cross does present a mark or symbal respecting those that have fallen in a religeous way but as a form of Freedom of Speech. In this true light the cross or any religeous artifact can be dis played in any shool or government facility. The point is that the government is not establishing any particular religeon as an official one but recognising all of them. The Supreme Court has done a lot of damage to our society as it has shredded all of mores and morels as I believe that they have been bought by the Powers.
-FireboatmanStudy your history. The Constitution of the United States PROTECTS religious freedom and the right to worship as one pleases without stomping on the freedom of the practice of ANY religion by anyone. If the atheists don't like it, they can put up their own little pile of stones and manure or whatever it is they put up to commemorate their foolishness that God doesn't exist. That said, as a Marine base, unless the monument is of a historically significant nature, there is no obligation to keep the cross up, regardless of anyone's support–mine included. That is up to the Base Commander's prerogative.
-SemperFi86The atheist are nuts. Like one man said another site…' Why are the atheist fighting against a God they don't even believe exist?'
-MarieWe are not fighting against an imaginary deity. We are fighting against actual people who believe in this imaginary deity. We are fighting against these real life flesh and blood people trying to base laws from a book of fables on how to live our lives. Jesus and Allah are not a concern. It is Christians and Muslims who impact our lives in very negative ways.
-Jeff DixonYou are so convinced of your superiority that you call billions of people foolish-you say you have better answers than the Bible? The answers you and your people have had have always failed throughout recorded history.
And sir, we are fighting you, flesh and blood New Atheists who would impose their nebulous and hateful, virulent and Nazi-like, and Communist-like restrictions on what people can say, do, and even think.
You say you want freedom from religion when the truth is you just want to be free to be comfortable in thinking you are superior, and your sin laden lives are somehow better than following the restrictions of "religion". (You just mean Christianity, because I don't ever see your ilk over in Islamic countries trying to change their societies, you would be slaughtered, and your cowardly self knows it)
The ultimate irony of it all is that the only reason you have the freedom to express your destructive intellectual reasoning is due to this country being founded on Godly principles of freedom.
-The WolfWhat else betrays your blazing arrogance is the fact that you so boldly call what people place so much faith on, and strength from, in times of mourning, in times of suffering, in times of pain and even hope-an "Imaginary deity".
Wake up America, wake up Christians, our greatest danger is Jeff Dixons god!
-The WolfIt’s time to remember that GOD MADE THE UNITED STATES TO KILL ISLAM!
There is no other mission so holy, so precious Christ or so vital to the nation than THE HOLY CRUSADE TO ERADICATE THE MUD RACES AND THEIR GUTTER RELIGION FROM THE EARTH!
ALL HAIL JESUS, KING OF BLOOD! ON HIS THRONE WE SHALL LAY EVERY LAST MUSLIM TERRORIST MAN, TERRORIST WOMAN, TERRORIST CHILD AND TERRORIST BABY IN THE NAME OF THE ALMIGHTY, JESUS CHRIST!
Let no infidel stand in the way. Let no fag, nig, lib or other scum deter you from your HOLY MISSION OF GLOBAL TOTAL RACIAL HOLY WAR!
GOD DEMANDS A SACRIFICE! KILL FOR JESUS TODAY!! KILL FOR JESUS NOW!!
NOW!!NOW!!NOW!!NOW!!NOW!!NOW!!NOW!!NOW!!NOW!!NOW!!
-Nemesis of EmpireOnly Jesus Christ will be able to eradicate those who oppose Him. It is not our desire to just go a kill everyone who does not believe the way we do including atheist. If our country is in danger of being attacked then we have the right to kill those who seek to kill us.
-maryallenII Pet 3:9 -The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance (change of mind towards Him).
I Tim 2:1-2 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.
It is a devil that causes this person to write such sarcastic hatred. The truth is, the very hate and violence New Atheists say they abhor in "Religion" (They just mean Christianity) is burning within them all, and is scarcely actually found in any true Christian.
-The WolfVery true, Wolf, and very sad.
-maryallenAnother massive isogesis by Mary the proponent of conditional universalistic atonement of Christ which is not Biblical or true at all. Who is "all"? Does all means all all the time? Of course it does not not in the Bible and not even in the common English that you use Mary. It is always QUALIFIED by the context which you ignore for the sake of your preferences and traditions of men that you superimpose and project on the Scripture to confuse yourself and others as well.
-DespevilleRead JUST a line before like 2 Peter 3:8 and noticed the address of "BELOVED" which testifies that these and following words were and are addressed to BELIEVERS and not everyone that ever lived on this planet.
Same with your blatant isogesis of 1 Timothy 2:1-4 which uses "all" in the context of different groups of people even those who Christians had a hard time to pray for i.e. people of power like Kings and others below them who used that power to persecute Christians. It is in this context of people FROM all kinds of social layers and different nations we must understand the offering of Christ and word "all" in 1 Timothy 2:6 otherwise you have the Savior who gave himself for those who are in hell (or sheoll awaiting true hell rather) where they will be paying for SAME SINS including sin of disbelief a SECOND time which would make God monstrously unjust. Yet these are the conclusions you are not willing to face and conclusions clearly resulting from your humanistic mythology with which you have replaced a biblical theology. Sad.
It's amazing that the brave and courageous run and hide when they hear the noise of a falling leaf. The tyranny of the individual in the USA can hold the entire nation to ransom and make them cower in fear of the repercussions if the tyrranical do not get their self-serving way. And this is the opinion of someone who is not an American!!
-RichardJust the atheists trying to be smart arses– enforcing their disbelief on others
-Tommy sIf these atheistic characters, including B.O. don't believe this is a Christian nation, here is what George Washington had to say about at the very beginning of our wonderful nation.
WHEREAS it is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor; and Whereas both Houses of Congress have, by their joint committee, requested me "to recommend to the people of the United States a DAY OF PUBLIC THANKSGIVING and PRAYER, to be observed by acknowledging with grateful hearts the many and signal favors of Almighty God, especially by affording them an opportunity peaceably to establish a form of government for their safety and happiness:"
NOW THEREFORE, I do recommend and assign THURSDAY, the TWENTY-SIXTH DAY of NOVEMBER next, to be devoted by the people of these States to the service of that great and glorious Being who is the beneficent author of all the good that was, that is, or that will be; that we may then all unite in rendering unto Him our sincere and humble thanks for His kind care and protection of the people of this country previous to their becoming a nation; for the signal and manifold mercies and the favorable interpositions of His providence in the course and conclusion of the late war; for the great degree of tranquility, union, and plenty which we have since enjoyed; for the peaceable and rational manner in which we have been enable to establish Constitutions of government for our safety and happiness, and particularly the national one now lately instituted;- for the civil and religious liberty with which we are blessed, and the means we have of acquiring and diffusing useful knowledge;- and, in general, for all the great and various favors which He has been pleased to confer upon us.
And also, that we may then unite in most humbly offering our prayers and supplications to the great Lord and Ruler of Nations and beseech Him to pardon our national and other transgressions; – to enable us all, whether in public or private stations, to perform our several and relative duties properly and punctually; to render our National Government a blessing to all the people by constantly being a Government of wise, just, and constitutional laws, discreetly and faithfully executed and obeyed; to protect and guide all sovereigns and nations (especially such as have shown kindness unto us); and to bless them with good governments, peace, and concord; to promote the knowledge and practice of true religion and virtue, and the increase of science among them and us; and, generally to grant unto all mankind such a degree of temporal prosperity as he alone knows to be best.
GIVEN under my hand, at the city of New York, the third day of October, in the year of our Lord, one thousand seven hundred and eighty-nine.
Signed: George Washington
-HankSource: The Massachusetts Centinel, Wednesday, October 14, 1789
A PERFECT EXAMPLE OF RELIGIOUS INTOLERANCE PERPETRATED BY
-RAM-SEAS IIA MINORITY OF TYRANTS. IS THIS WHAT WE FOUGHT FOR? SO PAGANS
COULD FLAUNT THEIR IGNORANCE AND UTTER CONTEMPT FOR THE
RIGHTS OF OTHERS? I SUPPOSE IT IS. A FREE AMERICA, FREE TO
SPEW HATRED AND DISCONTENT. MAY GOD FORGIVE THEM.
Vote our present elected officials to hell out of office for they will fight for no others than themselves. It seems odd but I believe that these fools aren't and don't care to be, even proud of themselves. There is no leadership, no strength and certainly no guts in any of these fools. It's damned embarassing to say they are our government officials BUT we must also throw out a good share of our judicial officials especially those who bring Shariah law into our courtrooms. Pay attention people; Muslims in this country are tried in our courts by our laws NOT Shariah laws. That means their men(?), do NOT get away with beating, raping or any other menacing of their women. RESPECT THEM OR get sent back to hell from where you came.
-Edwin MackThe focus upon monetary payment is curious. Especially when you delve into the realisation that there are two of you (if you have a birth certificate).
There is the Lawful you (the living man, or woman), and then there is the legal Person. Both may share the same name. The man or woman was named by one's parents, but the person (a corporation founded via a trust) was created by a government agency at or near the time of 'birth'. This trust is securitised and used as collateral with the issuance of bonds that are traded for loans borrowed by corrupt and bankrupt governments to fund their current spending.
This fact may also explain why loans to governments have conditions set by bankers that seem to include the introduction of legislation common to many lands where (for example) English is spoken among the majority.
Atheists typically have no vision of the positive because they have no hope. They can only race to the bottom since their view of everything is so negative. The Global Financial Crisis (for example) has come about because of those people holding to irrational beliefs that deny genuine love, and whom act selfishly, greedily, not caring for their brother or sister for they hate any who may chide or criticise them or their deeds.
Watch the documentary Inside Job:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inside_Job_(film)
And then watch these episodes of US 60 Minutes:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7361572n&a…
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504803_162-20049744-1…
Since World War II, governments have become dominated by the atheist/communist/socialist (or secular/pagan) viewpoint. As a consequence, the Christian influence of the early 1900's waned, as did the Christian vision to set-up banks for the express purpose of funding government spending for essential services, and private investment in productive and socially useful enterprise. An actual example (in part) can be found here:
http://www.alor.org/Library/Commonwealthbank.htm
None Dare Call It Conspiracy is an excellent book that ties in the influence of atheism, capitalism, communism, and socialsim (etc.) with social decline (of civilisation), economic malaise and war can be found here:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/archivos_pdf/no…
or http://rhawk301.blogspot.com/2010/04/none-dare-ca…
You might be lucky to find an actual copy on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/None-Dare-Call-Conspiracy-A…
Now I call you all to wake-up to the Truth!
Remember, many of you are His People.
Though older and a little wiser today, I was bred and born in New Zealand, and served 14 years in the Australian Army in the Royal Australian Corps of Signals.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Australian_Cor…
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Since Freedom is granted to us by Almighty God.
I wonder why there are people still not choosing to be Free?
*Remember King John? The United States of America is but a child nation of Britain, and the actions of King John on the 15th of May, 1213 bear consequences to this very day.
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-St.Even D'UnnInteresting information, will look some of it up. Thanks.
-maryallenSeparation of church and state is a bedrock principle of our Constitution much like the principles of separation of powers and checks and balances. In the Constitution, the founders did not simply say in so many words that there should be separation of powers and checks and balances; rather, they actually separated the powers of government among three branches and established checks and balances. Similarly, they did not merely say there should be separation of church and state; rather, they actually separated them by (1) establishing a secular government on the power of the people (not a deity), (2) saying nothing to connect that government to god(s) or religion, (3) saying nothing to give that government power over matters of god(s) or religion, and (4), indeed, saying nothing substantive about god(s) or religion at all except in a provision precluding any religious test for public office. Given the norms of the day, the founders’ avoidance of any expression in the Constitution suggesting that the government is somehow based on any religious belief was quite a remarkable and plainly intentional choice. They later buttressed this separation of government and religion with the First Amendment, which constrains the government from undertaking to establish religion or prohibit individuals from freely exercising their religions. The basic principle, thus, rests on much more than just the First Amendment.
It is important to distinguish between the “public square” and “government” and between “individual” and “government” speech about religion. The constitutional principle of separation of church and state does not purge religion from the public square–far from it. Indeed, the First Amendment’s “free exercise” clause assures that each individual is free to exercise and express his or her religious views–publicly as well as privately. The Amendment constrains only the government not to promote or otherwise take steps toward establishment of religion. As government can only act through the individuals comprising its ranks, when those individuals are performing their official duties, they effectively are the government and thus should conduct themselves in accordance with the First Amendment’s constraints on government. When acting in their individual capacities, they are free to exercise their religions as they please. If their right to free exercise of religion extended even to their discharge of their official responsibilities, however, the First Amendment constraints on government establishment of religion would be eviscerated. While figuring out whether someone is speaking for the government in any particular circumstance may sometimes be difficult, making the distinction is critical.
Here, some individual marines sought to express themselves. The problem is that they did so with government property. The question is whether the government should maintain this religious monument.
-dougindeapVery well stated.
-Jeff DixonI am not for disorderly condict, But it is time for you marines to stand up and tell your commander in chief.
-DavidTell these folks to leave the cross alone or take the aclu and and move with them to some Musilm country. Obummer likes protest why not.
It is a shame that those Marine's had to die so that idiots like the atheist's can be free open their stupid mouths. I would like to see them try to rip off the cross arounnd my neck.
-MadelineThey might get away with keeping it if they just call it a Tombstone. Heres a thought. How about erecting next to it a statue of Buddha, a statue of the little elephant god Vishu, a statue of the muslims the moon and star, a statue ot the star of David, a statue of the Indian god Cali, a staue of Chrislam the moon-cross, oh and finally you would need a statue of satan. After all we have to be fair you know. Then when the ACLU or whoever trys to remove the one religious symol {ie. the Cross} they would have to remove them all. Now just how many people would you piss-off then when you try and take down their statues? Thus the conclusion would be the Cross would have to stay.
-Karen WHang in there Marines. Our forefathers wanted to make sure that what happened in England that caused the Pilgrims to flee was the result of the established religion by the Monarchy and worshiping anything else carried imprisoment and this would not hapen in our new Republic. Our government cannot establish a religion but there is nothing about a cross or Christianity if one chooses.
-gileyThe CO of Camp Pendleton should invite the folks that want the cross removed to come and get it. They can have it provided they don't get KIA trying to remove said cross.
Samper Fi
Harley
-HarleyThe Marine Corps needs to tell the "atheists" to look the other way; they don't "have to" look at the cross, nor do we "force them" to believe in our God, or anything else they don't want to believe in. Our "Military Forces" have a "right" to believe and observe their Christian faith, or any faith they wish!
-June