Bishop says Hitler would have loved our public school system
The bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Harrisburg is being criticized for saying Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini would love the country’s public school system because it teaches all children one set of beliefs.
Bishop Joseph P. McFadden made the remark while advocating for school vouchers during an interview last week with Dennis Owens, an anchor with WHTM-TV (ABC27).
Bishop of the Harrisburg Diocese, Bishop Joseph P. McFadden, sparked outrage after making a remark referencing Hitler and Mussolini while advocating for school vouchers during an interview last week with Dennis Owens, an anchor with WHTM-TV (ABC72).
“In totalitarian governments, they would love our system,” McFadden said to during the interview. “This is what Hitler and Mussolini and all those tried to establish a monolith so all the children would be educated in one set of beliefs and one way of doing things.”
McFadden’s words sparked outrage from the area chapter of the Anti-Defamation League and a rebuke from the legislative director of the ACLU of Pennsylvania.
In an email sent to The Patriot-News on Wednesday, McFadden said he didn’t mean to cause offense and that he was not trying to trivialize the Holocaust. The Catholic church recognizes the Holocaust as an atrocity against humanity, he said.
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Congratulations Bishop McFadden !
The fact that so many are incensed, without being able to prove you wrong, shows they know you're right. Some are angry because they don't want to admit they've been duped. Some are angry because they don't have an alternative, want to desperately cling to the false lives they have built by abandoning their children to the system, and will do anything to justify their actions. And some are angry because someone has dared to expose the truth they've been able to hide for so long as they peddle their stepford generation making wares.
-PaulBishop, I am so sorry you have been so unjustly criticized because your comments are dead on correct. Read several articles last week addressing the issue of many school districts/teachers either refusing to teach about the Holocaust or very superficially glancing over them. Why? Claims they do not wish to insult or upset Muslim students. Why wouldn't Hitler of Mussolini fully endorse the rewriting of history to conform with their ideology? And what happened to, "NEVER AGAIN"? Not 70 years ago, the world saw one of it's most heart breaken tragedies in the history of mankind. Now, there are those who would like to repeat this and our school systems seem to be a party to this, all in the name of Politically Correct. THEY MUST BE STOPPED.
-JudyannHe's wrong though. They would of hated our education system because it allows for private and home schools. We still have freedom.
-davesHe was discussing the public school system, not the fact that our nation still has a modicum of freedom left.
By the way, such freedom is being hurt drastically as the NEA and political agenda seek to close the doors to American freedom related to education and adopt the failed and failing world's view of public indoctrination.
If you haven't yet checked out the fight to get the fundamental right of parents recognized as a protected right by the United States Constitution, you should check out "parentalrights (dot) org".
Even if you're not a parent, I'm sure you're concerned with the future of the United States. You'll find out what insidious steps are being taken at the public school level, at the so-called "family and children services" level, to remove the right of parents and re-assign the right to the government – thus reshaping our country by reshaping the children, and not to a good end, either. Something Hitler tried (as the good bishop said). Something other countries are doing. Something we must avoid.
Check out especially the link on "Understanding the Issue" and the video "Overruled".
-PaulI do have a lovely daughter who will graduate with an excellent public education this year.
My sister and brother in law are elementary teachers here. My sister tells me very sad stories of abused children that she cannot do anything about unless she actually sees the abuse.
-davesPaul, I couldn't have said it any better myself. In 1947, I had been invited to a meeting that turned out to be an American Communist Party meeting. I couldn't believe to what I was listening to as the speaker began to elaborate exactly how our educational institutions were going to be 'infiltrated.' The speaker was very explicit when he said; "Rather than educate the younger generation, we will 'indoctrinate' them into liberalism, socialism, and then, communism, the final stage of normalization. The purpose of the 'indoctrination' was to create a race of human robots. And we can't say we weren't warned.
MSGT JOHN CORREA
-MSGT JOHN CORREAUSAF (RET)
It has been done. As parents we must check everything that is going on in our children's schools. Teach them at home and they will not be fooled at school
-msjallenReally hits a nerve with many. You are correct in all you say. Saddly our children (including us) have been brainwashed for over 50 years!
-CFMSo you are brainwashed?
-Jeff DixonGOD BLESS YOU, YOUR EXELLENCY!!
-USMC,DAVThe Anti-defamation League should not be upset about this. The Bishop's remark is 100% correct and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the Holocaust. No one loves Israel more than I do, but probably no one has more disdain for the sewers that pass for our public schools than I do either. Get your children out of them no matter what you have to sacrifice to do it.
-48kindagalYou are absolutely right. the school system of today is not a place for children of Christians. Muslim rights are what is being taught. School literature is being influenced by the money being poured into the publishing houses printing the literature. Their money is being poured in the schools, small and large, as well. This is why when our children finish college they do not believe as we do They have been brain washed.
-MyrtlelinderSo, basically you are upset that your brainwashing did not work?
-Jeff DixonJeff,
-PaulThe "Dictionary of the American Language, Indoctrination Version" that you are using has swapped the definitions for "rejoicing" and "complaining". You, unfortunately have the idea that Myrtlelinder was complaining about not being brainwashed when instead she was rejoicing that it didn't, and that she was still free to speak and to enlighten others as to the problem – warning them to be on the lookout for indoctrination of their own children.
No, I was laughing at her complaint that children are being brainwashed in schools, when the reality is that she wants them brainwashed in Christianity.
-Jeff DixonThat would be the BEST plan
-Pastor DwayneThe Bishop is soooooooooooooo right!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you sir, for saying it!!!!!!!!
-JoanHe is right in many ways. Any system that is as agenda laden as ours is "state run and mandated" Chinese, Russian, Hitler Germany, or Mussolini any system that does not give parental choice is a system that is STATE run and dependent on the position the state OR federal government takes on issues. Parental participation and directed is necessary for a republic to flourish. Many parents have naively – or – stupidly subjugated their children’s welfare over to the state run schools in the name of convenience. Getting is back is hard but not impossible…ours is a choice… to do the right thing or the easy? The right (hard) thing is to first start on the local level (school boards), voucher system, charter schools AND encourage private schools to step it up and involve themselves in the educational community and speak out on these issues. I am thankful the Bishop cares enough to seek to get people to ponder – THINK – about the result if things stay the same!
-ThinkingsBishop McFadden is absolutely correct! For nearly two centuries the United States led the world by providing publicly-funded free elementary education. The secret to the success of our public schools was LOCAL authority over administration, funding, and curriculum. It all began to unravel with the establishment of a federal Department of Education in the 1950's and government mandates. By the 1970's the greatest free public schools the world had known and the most educated children ever had become pawns in a face-off of political ideology. Federal regulation of local elementary education is frankly unconstitutional (Ninth and Tenth Amendments) and blatantly undermines American values. Get the federal government out of OUR schools.
-agbjrWe know this is being done but what are We the People doing about it? NOTHING!!! Start in the home to teach your children right and wrong about every aspect of their life. If you go to a good Bible teaching church your pastor will also be teaching from God's viewpoint. If you can't home school then it is going to take more effort to check what is being taught. It takes time but worth it.
-msjallenProverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old (mature), he will not depart from it.
YES–ITS ABOUT TIME OUR CHAMPIONS–AND GOOD SHEPERDS SPEAK OUT FOR TRUTH AND JUSICE- BISHOP ON—— MY FAMILY AND I ARE WITH YOU ,TO RESTORE THE GOSPEL TRUTHS BACK TO OUR LANDS… BRENDAN
-BRENDANI am sure the Catholic schools are all teaching that all religions are equal and that the Catholic faith is simply one option among many for the children to accept.
-Jeff DixonYes, it teaches that a Christian does not have to be Catholic to get into heaven.
-SamaTha Catholic schools are teaching this? lol.
-Jeff DixonYep, you are WAY behind the times there!
-SamaI graduated from a Catholic School therefore I know more than you about them.
Riiigght!
Here it is from your own church:
Encyclical of Pope Leo XIII on Jesus Christ the Redeemer, 11 November 1900
Excerpt: sections 3-6
3. The greatest of all misfortunes is never to have known Jesus Christ: yet such a state is free from the sin of obstinancy and ingratitude. But first to have known Him, and afterwards to deny or forget Him, is a crime so foul and so insane that it seems impossible for any man to be guilty of it. For Christ is the fountain-head of all good. Mankind can no more be saved without His power, than it could be redeemed without His mercy. "Neither is there salvation in any other. For there is no other name under heaven given to men whereby we must be saved" (Acts iv, 12).
-Jeff Dixonhttp://www.ewtn.com/faith/teachings/incac3.htm
And how does your cut and paste contradict Sama's statement, Jeff? You are not making sense or you didn't read her post correctly. Perhaps you need to heed those words, because if they are correct, atheists like you are going to be left behind.
-VladimirThe Catholic church says that Jesus is the only way to heaven. I said that Catholic schools are not teaching that all religions are the same. Sama said that was wrong. Yet, I showed that his church believes this. Therefore, he is wrong.
Now, that does not mean the Catholics or any Christians are right. It merely shows that Sama, as with many Christians, do not even understand their own religion.
-Jeff DixonHate to point it out, but in a purely technical sense, he has you on this one.
It is obvious that Sama thought (from the context) that Jeff meant that all CHRISTIAN religions will get you into heaven, as Sama's first comment shows, when making the statement regarding "all Christian religions". However, Jeff did start the discussion by only referencing "all religions". This would include Buddhism, Islam, Atheism, Taoism, etc.
Therefore, in the most basic and technical sense, Jeff is correct on this one.
Of course, the whole misconception that people have of getting into heaven confuses me, especially in light of John 3:13, but we'll skip over that point.
-petroskhan1262The Catholic school my son attended taught him about all world religions of importance. I read all about this in his social studies text books with great interest! I am not aware of any religious education in the public schools, except for nonsense like Earth Day celebrations, etc., that remind me of paganism, a very primitive system of religious belief based on superstition.
-ufosrrealJeff, as a self proclaimed Atheist, I need to pick your brain. Unfortunately this is the only way I know to reach you.
-SargeE5Is there a question you want to ask me?
-Jeff DixonI know you are an Atheist, we've had many conversations prior to this.So, just for general principles, where do you, as an Atheist and among your fellow Atheists stand on Satanism?Do you correlate the two?If you deny the existence of God, do Atheists also deny the existence of Satan?”Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society” AristotleSemper Fi, ~Jer
-SargeE5I do not speak for all Atheists, however, given that Atheists do not believe in supernatural deities of any sort, I believe it would be safe to say that most if not all reject the existence of Satan as well.
Satan is an interesting aspect of the Christian mythology.
When did Satan rebel?
Satan is the fallen angel Lucifer that rebelled against God. But when did this rebellion occur? During the six days of creation, God created the heavens and the Earth. Is that when Lucifer was created? Did God create an angel and it rebelled within days of being created? By the time Adam and Eve were created, it would seem that Lucifer had already rebelled. After all, the devil is who tempted Eve. And the devil is the fallen angel Lucifer. If he was created when the heavens and Earth were created and had rebelled by the time man was created, that means that God was fighting Lucifer at the same time he was creating the universe. Now, I have read accounts that say God created the angels before he created Earth. How long before Earth was created were the angels created? If God had not yet created the heavens, where exactly where the angels hanging out? If the angels could exist before the heaven and the earth was created, does that mean they do not have form? But that does not seem to fit the standard concept of an angel. And in what way could Lucifer physically rebel if he had no form? If it was not a physical rebellion, in what way was God threatened? If the heavens and the Earth had not yet been created, then the world was a void, without form. I assume the heavens were too. If nothing had been created, how could angels have been created? If they were not created before the heavens and the Earth, then we are back with the question of just how quickly did Lucifer rebel?
We also have this verse. Isa. 14:12 "How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations!" This passage says that Lucifer brought actual nations down. That would mean that he was still an angel after the creation of Adam and Eve and the fall of man. But the bible says that the snake, meaning the devil, who is the fallen angel Lucifer, is the one who tempted Eve. How is that possible if Lucifer was still an angel in good standing that was bringing down nations. (Why god would want his angels to bring down nations is another question, but let us stay on topic here)
However, the verse also goes on to say this. Isa. 14:12 How you have fallen from heaven, O morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! 13You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of the sacred mountain. 14I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High." 15But you are brought down to the grave, to the depths of the pit. 16Those who see you stare at you, they ponder your fate: "Is this the man who shook the earth and made kingdoms tremble, 17the man who made the world a desert, who overthrew its cities and would not let his captives go home?"
Look at section 16. "Is this the MAN who shook the earth—" The bible is referring to the person who was cast down from heaven as a man. That can hardly be the angel Lucifer. Which seems to show that the verse has nothing to do with Lucifer. But Christians point to this as proof that Satan was an angel who was cast out from heaven. Here is a website that discusses this very topic. http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/1tim3.htm
-Jeff DixonIt occurred to me that the idea of Satan rebelling has never been defined within the context of the time frame of the creation of the universe; at least not that I have read about. But it seems that if god created Lucifer and he was the greatest of the angels, there had to be some time involved here. How did Lucifer become the greatest? He must have done something amazing to deserve that praise. Perhaps it was bringing down more nations than the other angels.
If the universe was without form, how could Lucifer have done anything to be considered the greatest. In other words, there had to be a created universe for Lucifer to have done something to be the greatest. But if the universe had not yet been created, how is that possible? And if he rebelled the day he was created, how did he have time to become the greatest angel. If he was created before creation ( a contradiction in terms) then there was obviously something besides the void.
Now Ezekiel 28:11-17] says this about Lucifer and why he was the greatest:
(v. 11) '''The word of the LORD came to me:
(v. 12) "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: " 'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty.
(v. 13) You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared.
[Note that this cannot be referring to the King of Tyre who never took residence in the garden of Eden, nor was adorned with every precious stone prepared at the moment of his creation, nor was a guardian cherub angel. Hence a supernatural angelic being of great power is in view]
(v. 14) You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones.
[Note that a cherub angel was one of supreme authority and importance]
(v. 15) You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you.
[Notice that Lucifer was perfect in his ways from the day that he was created, until sin was found in him. Also note that the King of Tyre was not blameless from the day he was created, but born in sin]
(v. 16) Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones.
(v. 17) Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings." '''
This says that Lucifer was the greatest because of his beauty. However, the biblical god does not consider physical beauty to be of any worth.:
1 Samuel 16:7 ESV
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look on his appearance or on the height of his stature, because I have rejected him. For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
1 Peter 3:4 ESV
But let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious.
Matthew 23:27 ESV
“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs, which outwardly appear beautiful, but within are full of dead people's bones and all uncleanness.
If physical beauty is what made Lucifer the greatest angel, then god is inconsistent with his view on this. It also creates a conflict with the idea that god is all knowing. God says regarding Lucifer" 'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty." However, if god is all knowing, he would know that Lucifer would one day rebel. Any angel that would rebel against god cannot be the model of perfection and full of wisdom. If god did not know that Lucifer would rebel, then he is not all knowing. If he knew he would rebel and still considered him the model of perfection and full of wisdom, then he is an idiot.
Also consider this verse.
Ezekiel 28:15
New International Version (NIV)
15 You were blameless in your ways
from the day you were created
till wickedness was found in you.
According to this verse, Satan was originally without blame. Therefore, god created this angel with no blemish at all. However, god is all knowing and therefore knew that this blameless angel would rebel and become the devil before he created him. Yet he created him anyway. We are supposed to believe that a deity who is without flaw and cannot abide sin would create a fallen angel who sins every moment of his existence.
This story creates a another contradiction for the accuracy of the bible.
-Jeff DixonWOW Jeff you must have a team working for you to find all this information, It is No way you can understand all this or even know what it is about. Your NOT that smart. There are people smarter than you and they do not under stand all of it. That why we use references in our research.
Now to try to steer you in the right direction Jeff. You claim the bible has contradictions, Maybe it because a point of view from different authors. You know like a car accident, People from different angle will see or hear something different and then the police has to sort it out. It is the same thing with the bible. To understand the bible you have to have the heart for it and the revelations from the Holy Spirit.
-DaveCome on "Dave," you may think you are hiding your identity, but we can all tell it is really our old friend "heath." Not that I care. Anyway, I don't think you really want to compare the Bible to a car accident, know do you? (By the way, the "WOW" really gives you away, among other things…)
-EricJeff, I am familiar with all that Atheist justification and theory of Christian mythology, I just simply wanted to know if a true Atheist held some kind of special place for Satan.You answered my question, and I thank you.One thing more, does hatred of believers, i.e., Christians and Jews go hand in hand with being an Atheist?Or do you think that Satanists have taken the Atheist theme and are now using it to promote the hatred of all non-believers, except of course Muslims, whom they are afraid of?”Tolerance is the last virtue of a dying society” AristotleSemper Fi, ~Jer
-SargeE5Schools teach kids to have no religion…. which in itself is a a religion of non belief.
-MelodyExcept for teaching Islam. Screw the ACLU and anyone that interferes with American Christianity.
-blackhawkNonsense. They simply do not promote any religion. They are neutral on the topic. Not promoting any religion is not the same as claiming there is no god.
-Jeff DixonIt requires some tortured logic to say that teaching atheism does not promote any religion.
-paulcThe schools are not teaching atheism. Being neutral on the topic means just that.
-Jeff DixonBut if you were truly neutral, you wouldn't CARE if religion were being taught. You would have no opinion, and simply leave it at that. Right?
-petroskhan1262What kind of nonsensical question is that? I did not say I was neutral, I said the schools are neutral. Of course I am not neutral. I fully support the separation of church and state as the Constitution requires.
-Jeff DixonLOL…now THAT'S funny.
-petroskhan1262What is funny?
-Jeff DixonWhat's funny? Me, missing the mark on what you said, and applying your statement about schools to YOU. When I read back, and saw (more clearly) what you wrote, and my response, it cracked me up. I was forced to agree that the question was nonsensical.
Carry on.
-petroskhan1262These organizations do promote a religion and our government run schools are teaching religion; the religion of the state, Secular Humanism and all of the foundational doctrines that uphold that worldview. Our taxpayer funded schools are the state church in which the state religion is taught and enforced by the judges. The bishop is absolutely correct in his analysis of our educational system and why the totalitarian mindset would have and does now like. The elitist political class and that of American academia are Marxists and are pursuing a path toward their belief in a secular utopian society. It is sad to see the irrationality of the ADL concerning this. How is it that they fail to recognize the role of religious indoctrination in the educational system in Germany in the 1930s which had a direct effect on the rise of unbridled evil in that culture. We in this time are not immune from a similar effect in our culture.
-woodyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHJbSvidohg
-Jeff DixonRight. Not promoting a religion is not the same as claiming there is no God.
-PaulHowever, the schools do not take a neutral stance. They enforce a "no Christianity" concept in class and public events, while allowing and encouraging the exploration of new age/wiccan beliefs (mother earth, gaia, evolution), humanism (mankind is its own god), pantheism (all the school psychologists engage in ayurvedic, transcendental, and shamanistic processes)…
The school texts still treat the hypothesis of evolution (a hypothesis is an idea about how something might have occurred without any concrete evidence as to whether that idea is right or not) as the law of evolution (a law is something that for all known and repeatable conditions always works the same way). Now THAT takes "faith".
Christians can pray to their hearts content. Many school children do it every time there is a test. However, the teacher cannot encourage or require the children to pray which is what they have been allowed to get away with for years.
It is not the hypothesis of evolution, it is the Theory of Evolution. And the Theory of Evolution has more evidence than any other scientific theory. It has more evidence than germ theory, atomic theory or the theory of gravity. You are tossing around scientific terms, but it is obvious you do not understand how the scientific community applies these terms. A theory has passed ALL tests against it. And evolution has passed every test against it as well.
That does not mean we understand everything about it, we also do not understand everything about germ theory, atomic theory or the theory of gravity. However, that does not stop us from using these theories on a daily basis.
-Jeff DixonThe theory of evolution has as much or more evidence against it as it does in favor of it.
-VladimirLike what?
-davesNo, it does not. What evidence against it do you think you have?
-Jeff DixonI'm afraid I would have to disagree.
The proper steps of the scientific method include the following (in short):
1. Ask the question
2. Do research
3. Form a hypothesis
4. Test hypothesis by experimentation
5. Analyze the data to draw conclusions
6. Communicate the results
Since one of the basic tenets of the faith of evolution is that more complex forms can be bred from lower forms, what tests have been done to prove this? When has anyone ever bred a dog from a worm? Or even bred an insect from a single cell organism? Evolution says it happened, yet it has not been done in a lab. In fact, no experiment has ever yielded anything more than variation within a species, never the production of an entirely new species, which is the very foundation of evolution.
Since no experimentation has been done in the field to substantiate the grand claims, I am afraid that evolution is only deserving of the name "Hypothesis Of Evolution." Just because it is the goal of some scientists to elevate an unproven and unprovable hypothesis to the level of a theory, is no reason to agree with them.
And evolution has nowhere near the evidence of other theories, including (especially) the last two you mention, atomic and gravity. Countless experiments have been done in both fields, bearing out the numerous hypotheses concerning the two fields. Hell, jump off a tall building. There's your first for gravity. Want proof for atomic theory? How's about a nuke? It works, it's based on fundamentals of atomic theory. I would say that theory's been borne out by many experiments.
Not so with the field of evolution.
Produce a more complex form from a simple one, or produce life from lifelessness, and then you will have a theory. Till then, I am afraid all you've got is a claim with no proof.
Have a great day, and God Bless.
-petroskhan1262Humans have never created a star and planets in a lab either to observe their paths, but that does not invalidate the Heliocentric Theory. Sorry, creating a strawman argument about science hardly helps prove your point.
-Jeff DixonOn the topic, please. The only strawman present here is the one you just tossed out there regarding the Heliocentric Theory.
From Wikipedia : A straw man is a component of an argument and is an informal fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "attack a straw man" is to create the illusion of having refuted a proposition by replacing it with a superficially similar yet unequivalent proposition (the "straw man"), and refuting it, without ever having actually refuted the original position.
Nowhere did I replace anything in the claims of evolution, or substitute anything. I pointed out claims made by evolution, and showed that such claims were not supported by experimentation, which is the process by which a hypothesis is elevated to the status of a theory.
-petroskhan1262we send our kids to these public schools and claim that they have the word of God to stand on, but we never give them the firm foundation of the basic essential Christian doctrines and ask them to fight a spiritual war. all heresies can be found in scripture without the these essentials to keep them from falling into the heresies.
-Wesleyhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SoM-ZC7uNnc
-Jeff DixonThat would be the job of the parents.
-davesSays the Roman Catholic bishop of the church that condoned Hitler and did nothing and whose church has some of the most rigid sets of rules.
What a total hypocrite. Schools don't teach "values" thats for the parents. This clown impunes all teachers. Their job is to teach facts not religious stupidity.
-ChrisIt would be great if they did teach all the facts…. instead of re-writing books and teaching them as facts.
-tired of pcshttp://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/2011/02/8th…
This is a link to my blog where I have posted an actual 8th grade test in 1895 from Salina, Ks. If you want to see what education really used to be about you should take a look.
If we required that students have this level of knowledge in all 50 states, we would have no equals in the world. You might also take note of the total lack of religious questions on this test.
-Jeff DixonThose are some tough questions!
-davesIt would be a challenge to pass for many.
-Jeff DixonChris,
-A. ReginaldIf you don't believer that schools (teachers) teach their values you must never have gone to school. Which may be the reason so many of your posts display such ignorance!
The good ones teach the ethics of hard work, applying oneself and the benefits of studying. Which are values. But they are not religious values, which is what Chris was referring to.
When teachers cross the line and try to promote their religious beliefs, they are violating the law of the land.
-Jeff DixonThou shall not steal and not bear false witness. Since these are religous commandments, public school teachers had better not teach that stealing and lying are bad, eh Jeff.
-VladimirWhat part of that requires a belief in Jesus?
-Jeff DixonChris, read up on the history of Church-State relations in Germany! The Catholic Church did not support the Nazi regime! There were numerous occasions when both Pius XI and his Secretary of State – Cardinal Pacelli ( Pius XII), spoke out against the regime and all it represented. The papal document, "Mit Brennender Sorge," which was smuggled into Germany and read from the pulpit of every Catholic church in the Reich, condemned Nazi racial policies as well as the general tyranny practiced by them! This has all been documented. As for schools not teaching values, go to your local public school and see that values are being taught. They are, however, secular values with no reference to religion unless, of course, it is a non-Christian religion.
-William L McCaugheyNot only did the Catholic church support Hitler, so di the Protestant churches.
With the exception of a few refugee pastors in Britain, I do not know of any section of the German Protestant Confessional Church whose pastors have refused to preach, to serve, to ordain and bless the atrocities and horrors committed by the German armies and their leaders. These facts are unpleasant and horrible. I maintain that we can understand them and explain them only if we look at the dark figure from whom the German Lutheran clergy has for four centuries taken their orders: Martin Luther" (Ibid, Pg. 98-99).
-Jeff Dixonhttp://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/p…
Again Peter F. Wiener in these regard confirms for us that that "After the Nazis came to Power, the Lutherans supported Hitler. To them the views as ordained by Luther was infinitely more important than the Church or Christianity". Again he tells us "When the people asked why the German people have never shown any sign of revolt against Hitler and his gang, I have usually referred my questioners to Luther, who was the first to say that even against the most unjust ruler the people have never a right to revolt." (Ibid, Pg. 87-88).
-Jeff DixonSays the bishop, a man, who despite any faults of his predecessors, or even of himself, has recognized and proclaimed a truth that all need to hear.
God regularly uses sinners to accomplish His purpose (for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God). In fact the only time that He used a sinless person, was when He sent His Son, to die in our place.
-PaulYou may not think schools teach values – but they do.
We don't even have to engage in "theological debate" or "creation vs evolution" to see that's true:
Johnny, it's not right to steal Emily's cupcake at lunch time – a value teaching
Class, it's not right to cheat – a value teaching
Homosexuality is simply another way we show love to one another – a value teaching
Not knowing if you're a girl or boy on the inside no matter what your body parts on the outside is OK and whatever you decide we'll agree with – a value teaching
religions is stupid, so we don't talk about it here – a value
You, Chris, obviously have a set of values in keeping with the schools. Now, consider what value God places on those "values"
By the works of the law (keeping rules, being good and moral) no flesh is justified (we are not saved from the punishment due us for sin).
All our righteousness (self proclaimed morality, doing good to others, the "right thing") is as filthy rags (can't make anything clean, can't undo the bad we've done, can't remove any stain of sin).
There is none righteous (right and acceptable to God) not even one (not me, not you).
You, as we all, should be worried. Because it is clear we are guilty before God.
But God demonstrates His love to us in that while still sinners, Christ died for us.
The free gift of God is eternal life, bought and paid for, given freely to us, through Jesus Christ our Lord, who paid for us with His own blood.
Read God's word, recorded for us in the Bible. Come to a place where you can see you are a sinner and admit it to God (that's repentance, since we're changing our mind which normally tells us we're good enough or we can make up for this or that shortcoming). Then do what God tells you and put your trust in the sacrifice His Son made for sinners. And you to can rejoice in the knowledge that you are free from the blame, shame, and penalty of sin.
-Paul"The free gift of God is eternal life, bought and paid for, given freely to us, through Jesus Christ our Lord, who paid for us with His own blood."
Don't forget repentence, Paul. Jesus does require repentence.
-VladimirRepentance explained:
-msjallenGreek “metanoeo” (met-an-o-eh’-o) – “to change one’s mind” (mental).
Greek “metamelomai” (met-am-el’-lom-ahee) – “to feel sorry for something you’ve done” (emotional). Matt 27:3
Repentance in salvation – Luke 13:3, 5; 15:7, 10; 16:30-31; Act 17:30-31; 20:21; Rom 2:4; 2 Pet 3:9
II Pet 3:9 -The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance (change of mind towards Him).
Repentance is not part of salvation. Repentance means you change your mind about Christ and then believe to be saved. Jesus did all the work on the cross and all we have to do is believe to be saved,
"…all we have to do is believe to be saved,"
Then in that kind of system belief is work as well as signaled by your : "to do" and none is saved by doing anything on THEIR OWN…
-DespevilleBISHOP McFADDEN,
-Delores109Thank you for speaking the TRUTH. I have coined a word that I pray everyone in America will use without fear. Obama is HITLERIZNG America. In his State of the Union Address, Obama spoke of all the things he will do, WITH OR WITHOUT CONGRESS. Obama, the party is over. The elected officicials of the PEOPLE are in OUR Congress. Continue sidestepping Congress and the Courts, and you will be convicted of TREASON, along with Soros and your other radicals.
Delores Smith Delores109@cox.net
I doubt that there is anyone who can convict 0 of treason even though it would be the best thing that could happen to this country. Only God can get rid of 0 but why should He when so many have turned their back to Him and our churches are full of feel good sermons preached that don't last any longer than the last Amen! People are not willing to sit and listen to the Bible being taught and not leaving out anything from Book to Book.
-msjallenII Peter 3:8… but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD," Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind and makes flesh his strength, and whose heart turns away from the LORD
msjallen:
-Delores109What makes you think that I am not praying as I move forward with my determination to convict Obama and Soros of many ACTS OF TREASON? Why do you give up? The Lord gave all of us a free will. I'm using mine. When we don't fight EVIL, we are a party to that EVIL.
Delores Smith
Delores109@cox.net
Delores, I have no idea why you are so upset with me. My comment was not against what you said but just adding my thoughts. I am sorry I offended you. If you can convict 0 of Treason then please do. I will say again that I don't believe people will be able to get this nation back on track towards greatness until a great number of people turn back to God and live as He wants us to from His Word. I really think you should read what I said again since I did NOT accuse you anything. BTW, putting one's trust and confidence in God does not mean one gives up. God has total power and control over the entire universe, don't you think He can handle the USA?
-msjallenCol 2:10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over ALL rule and authority;
msjallen
-Delores109If you felt that I was upset with you, then my comment was poorly written. I have a different belief in what God expects of us. He is omnipotent, but he doesn't expect us to sit back if we have ideas of what we can do to stop evil. That's why good ideas come to us from God. I feel that there are things I can do to stop Obama and Soros, but, msjallen, I was only trying to point out that I've prayed for ideas, and I believe I have some. Honestly, you did not upset me. God Bless You. Delores Smith Delores109@cox.net
The U.S. public school system is a farce and needs to abolished! Of course the ACLU and the Anti-Defamation League are offended by the truth! The truth has always been offensive to the ACLU and the Anti-Defamation League! The pubic school system is their church, where they spews their lies as gospel and they call anyone that opposes them "Haters"! They are in for a surprise, as there is a growing unrest with what our silence has produced and real opinions are going to be voiced!
-DeanBISHOP McFADDEN,
-Delores109God Bless You and God Bless America. Obama and George Soros, I am tired of your scare tactics. Both of you, as well as your Radicals are pure EVIL.
Delores Smith
Delores109@cox.net
I am not a catholic but the bishop is correct, and I hope he keeps it up, now a days to many people who stand up and speak the truth are silenced by the leftist soc**list ( sorry I did that to try to get by their flagging rules)communist pigs.
-JerryWhy should the bishop apologize when there is nothing to apologize about. If that is what you believe, then don't back down. No one should be afraid to speak the truth on any subject. If anyone is offended it should be the ACLU and like
-Don Rushingorganizations.
Of course he would , his whole propaganda machine was based on the American marketing industries but on steroids . The exact same has led to the federal education system where the youngest minds are most easily brainwashed . It is akin to giving a propaganist " marketer " a clean slate to fill with his product .
-buckGo Bishop McFadden! Do not back down! You are correct!
-MagistraThis Bishop is EXACTLY CORRECT. Government schools are monolithic indoctrination machines, espousing liberal political policies and ALWAYS antithetical to the Christian faith. Government schools in America were illegitimately fathered by John Dewey, and fueled by the likes of Margaret Sanger and her fellow travelers.
Look at all the money being spent per student in these schools and look at the average numbskull they are "graduating."
-JamesRizzutiI'm a Mormon, but I would sure like the Catholic Schools to return. Our current crop of politicians could sure use a whack across the knuckles with a ruler.
Now if we could all just go back to the 50s and every Christian denomination start its own schools, maybe Johnny could read the Constitution !
-JhanDavisIf the ACLU is against the good bishop, there must be something awfully true about what he said.
Reaction from the ACLU, the Anti-defamation League, and the rabid anti-Catholics is always more hysterical when anything remotely challenges their tiny liberal blockheads.
-DockyWockyInterpretation: Catholics' schools should be subsidized by a type of extortion racket that is most commonly known as taxation.
-Paul TrombleyMuch tax money could be saved by going to a voucher system for education as parochial schools can do good teraching much more economiocally than our govt.schools can. The porblem lies in how much control will the govt. want over schools receiving voucher money. That will be a thorney problem to work out.
-aceitunaWhy do you think Adolf Obama and his thugs have been trying to indoctrinate the school kids with the songs praising him and his agendas, Allah and islam and the joys of socialism/fascism? Hmmmm……….. Now all he needs are ministers of propaganda, and a couple of other henchmen to carry out his dirty work along with a line of generals to assist them. Oops, almost forgot, (in my opinion) Soros, Pelosi, Reid and the rest of his regime complete with his fourty Czars and justices and counting…
-TomJust WHAT are you smoking?
-bighossIf his comments upset the ACLU, he must be on to something
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-Jace777I can confirm that the textbooks in CA are glorifying the Islamic history for 7th graders. We had one last year and this year in 7th grade. We read the section and worked with them to give the answers correctly for testing and made sure they understood what we believe to be the correct history and influence the muslims have in our country. When the schools teach things we disagree with we teach the children to "learn" and forget it after the test. They are taught at home to catch things that are not right and blieve me there are a lot of subtle things that are promoted in our schools that are very socialistic. I encourage parents to take the time to check everything they are being taught in the classroom. We are thankful that some of their teachers are actually conservative.
-msjallenAmen. And along that same vein….did you know that there is a legal opt-out form for CA parents to fill out and give to their child's school to excuse their child from questionable teachings in the classroom?
-BeholdHimGo to http://www.TraditionalValuesCoalition.org or phone (714)520-0300 to obtain a copy to use, to reproduce and to distribute to other parents.
I did not know that. Thanks much and I will pass that info on to other members of my family and friends!!!
-msjallenway to go bishop mcfadden i'm not catholic but god believing man and what your saying is the truth . sad to say our school system sucks with the a.c.l.u. pushing their agenda of athiest propaganda truly hitler & mussolina would love america's school system
-kennyMy Faith is Mormon and YES we are Christians. We believe in God who is our Father in Heaven we Believe in Jesus Christ Who is the only Begotten Son of God the Father and We Believe in the Holy Ghost. We are Christians. I also believe this Bishop is Right and this is Why I HOME taught our youngest child. One day at school the teacher taught the Whole Class that The Catholic Church and the Mormon Church we Cults . That was the last day he ever went to that school again and I had to treach him that what they told him was False.We also like many Christians and Catholics are againt abortions. We all need to Unite as Americans and stand up for familys and life. God bless America and everyone. Sherry
-SherryYou also believe (assuming you are a "good Mormon") that God physically impregnated Mary and that human males can "progress" to become gods after the order of God Himself. Those Mormon doctrinal absurdities are decidedly NON-Christian!
-bighossThe bishop is absolutely right, although I would have used Stalin, Lenin or Mao in place of Hitler since the public schools in this country are being run by ACLU atheist communist thugs rather than Nazis. And when it comes right down to it, the communists are even more devious and repugnant than the Nazis were.
-Robert WayneFYI: Our Public Schools are full of Christian Teachers. I'm a Christian Teacher! I work with Christian Teachers, including minister's wives, deacon's wives and Sunday School Teachers. In fact, more Sunday School Teachers are Public School Teachers, percentage-wise, than any other profession. Some of you people are so out of touch with what is actually going on in Our Public Schools that it's embarrassing. I challenge everyone to call the School closest to you and make an appointment to visit that school. Take a tour and see how wrong you are about Our Public Schools.
-Rezon1The Bishop may be trashing Our Public Schools to boost attendance at his Catholic Schools.
Everyone should learn some history. The Catholic church started it's own school system because of anti-Catholic bigotry by Protestants in the mid-nineteenth century. The public schools at that time were pervasively Protestant with Protestant prayers, readings from the King James Bible and singing of Protestant hymns.
When Catholics protested as they had every right to do, riots erupted and people were killed. Eventually in 1948 the SCOTUS ruled that was unConstitutional.
In spite of this painful history many believe the solution to our present problems is returning to the past. That's what they mean when they say they "want to take our country back." They want (their) prayers prayed, (their) Holy Scriptures read, (their) religion taught and (their) religion practiced.
Their rationale is based on the mistaken, historically inaccurate notion that we are a "Christian Nation." They are wrong! Our problems will not be solved by forcing every school child in the country to worship according to (their) religion.
-Rezon1