Comments on: Secular Theocracy: The Folly of Modern Tyranny

By: indian cowboy

indian cowboy — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:28:44 +0000

Chris P. Wow, that's a toughie. Take it you don't get out much. Don't expect others to open your eyes for you.

By: TedRWeiland

TedRWeiland — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 13:41:24 +0000

Vladimir, I'm not sure where you got your definition (please let me know) for "theocracy," but I love it, and, in my opinion, it only goes to prove my point. The framers admitted that their inspiration (and their authority, power, etc.) came from themselves, not Yahweh:

"George Washington (who presided over the Constitutional Convention) confirmed this self-originating authority in his 'Farewell Address':

'This government, the offspring of our own choice uninfluenced and unawed, adopted upon full investigation and mature deliberation, completely free in its principles, in the distribution of its powers, uniting security with energy, and containing within itself a provision for its own amendment, has a just claim to your confidence and support.' (George Washington, Worthington Chauncey Ford, ed., The Writings of George Washington, 14 vols. (New York; NY: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1892) vol. 13, p. 297.)

"The Constitutional Republic’s fifth president, James Monroe, concurred: 'The people, the highest authority known in our system, from whom all our institutions spring and on whom they depend, formed it.' (James Monroe, “Views of the President of the United States on the Subject of Internal Improvements,” 4 May 1822, http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents…

"John Adams confessed to the same humanism regarding the States’ Constitutions:

'It will never be pretended that any persons employed in that service [the establishment of the States’ Constitutions] had interviews with the gods, or were in any degree under the inspiration of Heaven … it will forever be acknowledged that these governments were contrived merely by the use of reason and the senses…. Thirteen governments [of the original states] thus founded on the natural authority of the people alone….' (John Adams, The Works of John Adams, 10 vols. (Boston, MA: Little, Brown, and Company, 1865) vol. 4, pp. 292-93.)

Excerpted from "The Preamble: WE THE PEOPLE vs. YHWH" at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitut….

I stand by my previous statement: "There is no escaping theocracy. A government’s laws reflect its morality, and the source of that morality (or, more often than not, immorality) is its god. It is never a question of theocracy or no theocracy, but whose theocracy."

By: Vladimir

Vladimir — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 04:00:48 +0000

Ted, you said, "…all governments are theocracies". Let me help you out a bit. The definition of a theocracy is:

"…a form of government in which the official policy is to be governed by immediate divine guidance or by officials who are regarded as divinely guided…"

Unless you can show otherwise, the only countries that are theocracies are Islamic. And they only claim divine guidance through their Mullahs and Imams. We all know that's false, so it seems that there are, in actuality, no theocracies in current operation.

By: Jeff Dixon

Jeff Dixon — Mon, 30 Jan 2012 03:25:41 +0000

A secular view is not a theocracy. That is your second mistake. Your first is assuming that a belief in Jesus is actually any type of valid belief.

By: Chris P

Chris P — Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:56:49 +0000

"National Socialism" – are we a little paranoid. Probably better than a theocracy.

So which religion gets to write the rules? Show me which religion has total agreement on what their religion is all about and how their members are all wonderful people that are more moral and correct than any other group of people?

By: toothful

toothful — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 19:10:33 +0000

Are y'all prepared to meet our responsibility, our duty, and our right as set forth in The Declaration of Independence?

Our Founding Fathers warned U.S. that whenever our Government BEGINS to become destructive of our Creator endowed rights and liberties, that we are to attempt to ALTER its course by means of the ballot box, and if unsuccessful, then, We the People of the United States of America are to ABOLISH (off throw) such government and reestablish a new one upon the original precepts and principles of a Nation "under" GOD, as well as replacing all of the irresponsible watchmen with new, loyal patriots.

Ya' can't get any more destructive of our Creator endowed rights and liberties than to "rid" U.S. of our Creator!

Did you read about the atheistic, humanistic, secularistic, naturalistic evolutionists' "foolish", favorite, physicist, Hawking, recently declaring that there is no Creator?

Vote wisely, may be our last attempt,
mercy, grace, peace

By: JudyY

JudyY — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 18:53:29 +0000

Just wanted to pass along this email I received.

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By: Thinkings

Thinkings — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 17:06:51 +0000

Thoughtful and clear, well said. Today with the rise of National Socialism (our black swan!) it is interesting to see how National Socialism of the 30's – how they used “religion” and took over the German church which oaths to the state were greater than that to Christ. In fact Eucharist was centered on the state not Jesus. We are in the same days as the French revolution, The Weimar Republic, and the Russian overthrow of 1917. Today we have the fruit of the last 100 years of Progressive Democrats and our current Occupy Now soros movement/Unions/Government Triune godhead that is now leading us into it! _IF all is met with silence again by the church we can expect the same result – death, loss of freedom, violence in and by the state on different mosaic groups that don’t fit their vision. We see this with Islamist Brotherhood, SOTU, Occupy Now and from the Federal Gov against anything Christian. If we don’t speak out clearly (as you are!) and act as we must…we are faced with two choices – one that is right and the other which is painfully easy._

By: TedRWeiland

TedRWeiland — Sat, 28 Jan 2012 14:56:03 +0000

"Not all theocracies are Christian. Some are Jewish, Hindu, Islamic, Buddhist, and some are secular. There is no escaping theocracy. A government’s laws reflect its morality, and the source of that morality (or, more often than not, immorality) is its god. It is never a question of theocracy or no theocracy, but whose theocracy. The American people, by way of their elected officials, are the source of the Constitutional Republic’s laws. Therefore, the Constitutional Republic’s god is WE THE PEOPLE.

"People recoil at the idea of a theocracy’s morality being forced upon them, but because all governments are theocracies, someone’s morality is always being enforced. This is an inevitability of government. The question is which god, theocracy, laws, and morality will we choose to live under?" Excerpted from "The Preamble: WE THE PEOPLE vs. YHWH" at http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitut….

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