Legend blames Mormon curse for Washoe disasters
Once upon a time, Nevada was Utah.
Territorial Gov. Brigham Young presided over the Utah Territory, lands stretching west from Salt Lake City, across the Great Basin to Carson Valley.
The largest Mormon settlement was in Franktown, just west of Washoe Lake. More than 100 families journeyed there in the summer of 1856 at Young’s request. The goal: organize a government at the territory’s western border.
The Mormons, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, built log houses, surveyed borders and cultivated agriculture about three years before the discovery of silver on the Comstock.
They also built a sawmill, which became the focal point of a legendary curse levied by Mormon Elder Orson Hyde upon the people of Washoe 150 years ago this week.
Floods, earthquakes, the fierce Washoe Zephyr winds and fires — including the Washoe Drive Fire this month — have ripped through the valleys south of Reno for the past 150 years, often resurrecting the ghost of Hyde’s curse.
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I do recall Brigham Young ever being appointed as Territorial Governor of an outhouse, much less of Utah. I do know that he lied his sorry rear out of being criminally prosecuted for participating in the massacre of men, women and children of a California bound waggon train, a massacre they tried to blame on innocent Western Indian. But what better could be expected from a polygmous cult? Scores brutally murdered, but only one of his followers executed. Mitt Romney is a product of that murderous polygamous cult.
-IthamarI assume you meant "I do NOT recall ~", well he was. Go to the following link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utah_Territory
-LynnYou are blinder than the proverbial bat and as smart as an ink blot. You have no facts to back up your pack of lies. Do
-Don Rushingnot quit your day job, because you really need to get a life.
Quite true Ithamar, prepare to be pilloried by the mormon and psuedo-Christian devils who infest this site. Carry on and GOD Bless You.
-BobseeksIn the early years of Mormonism in Utah, a specially-appointed group, the "Danites" was formed to carry out various vigilante-type violent, sometimes murderous actions against non-conforming Mormons or others whose actions and presence was offensive to the dictatorial Mormon leadership of that period. Just one more element of sordid Mormon history that you won't hear about from the brainwashed, fuzzy-cheeked bicycling Mormon "elder" who appears at your door to tell you about "another testament of Jesus Christ."
-bighossIt is almost forgivable considering what the U.S. and Missouri military did to make the Mormons flee to Utah. That is one of the biggest disgraces in U.S. history in my opinion.
I do not make any judgement for or against the Mormons here – I just cannot believe our Government pursued an all out slaughter of a group of citizens for their religious beliefs.
-davesThe Danites existed before the Mormons went to the Utah territories. This link covers it quite well I think. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danite
-LynnIf there is any power in the mormon curse, it comes from satan, not from GOD. Learn the truth about the mormon disease by reading the "Kingdom of the Cults" or by going to equp.org. Mormonism is satanism.
-BobseeksBobseeks, you are funny like a clown. Try picking up a history book and try reading it some time. Did you know that Utah was the first state/territory in the union to protect the right of women to vote. They were later forced by Washington D.C. to abolish that right for women. There is not a shred of real evidence that Brigham Young approved of that one massacre. Did it ever occur to you Bobseeks, that Mormons got along so well with Native Americans, and why? This was all a matter of respect of others and their rights. Now let's talk about the Mormon's rights in Ohio, Missouri and Illinois.
-GlennYou are the clown and, if a mormon, are a heretic, a liar, a blasphemer, and a son of satan.- Mormonism is a lie from start to finish and blasphemes and slanders both the Father and the Son. Mormonism claims that Jesus is the product of sexual intercourse between GOD and Mary, claims that GOD was not always GOD – that He was once a man, claims that the Bible is corrupted and that only the book of mormon (old joe smith's pack of lies) is the uncorrupted revelation of GOD, claims that the Trinity is a lie, and claims that we can become gods ourselves. Now, Glenn, are you a mormon, an atheist, a pagan, or just a grotesquely ignorant "Christian"? Let us see where you are coming from Glenn, whether that be from unbelief, delusion, or ignorance. Finally, what does youdrrant have to do with my contention that mormons are the sons of satan? Are you trying to imply that our "goodness" matters to GOD? Are you denying that salvation is by grace alone?
-BobseeksAnd bobbie the clown bursts out in amother full fledged, foaming at the mouth, hysterical rant. Red faced, spittle flying off his lips, he stamps his feet in frustration, as others laugh at him.
-Jeff DixonIf your goal was to insult me little jeffie, you have failed. It is better to be insulted by scum than to be praised by good people. As usual, you are being a hypocrite and a liar because your contempt for mormonism is just as great as your contempt for Christianity (unless you are just an anti-Christian rather than an atheist). Also, name one point I made about mormonism that is not true. It is you that have lost it little jeffie because I just keep pointing out what a pathetic little psuedo-intellectual, lying, little atheist twerp you are and that you stand shoulder to shoulder with the likes of hitler, stalin, mao, pol pot and the rest of the vile, malignant, atheist deities.
-BobseeksBut perhaps his worst contempt is for an angry man who calls himself Christian but never displays the kindness and love that Jesus taught.
-davesActually I do, just not to liars and fools like you daves. Read the Bible and you will see that Jesus did not tolerate liars and fools either.
-BobseeksThen why do you lie on a daily basis?
-Jeff DixonPoint out a lie little jeffie.
-BobseeksYou continually state that Hitler was an atheist regardless of the amount of information provided that shows he was a Catholic.
-Jeff DixonFor Bobseeks, anyone who does not forcefully believe what he believes is either an atheist or a muslim, and also a leftist.. He is a hypocrite, who advocates violence and force instead of love and respect to persuade others, something Jesus espoused.
-Deep_ThinkerI guess you never read where Jesus soundly castigated liars such as yourself (people – go to the article on the Jews and Jersusalem and read not-so-deep's gross lies) and named them as the sons of satan. I guess you never read where He whips the moneychangers and called the false teachers of His day whitewashed tombs (a reference to being uinclean – a gross insult to the Jews). Jesus used love when love was warranted and harshness when harshness was called for. You lies have marked you as one deserving of harshness rather than respect (I find it amusing that you sneaked over here to whine to your allies like little jeffie). As far as violence goes, it is you who are performing the worst violence ny attacking the truth with your lies.
-BobseeksaHere you are lying about LD, even though he has already stated is not a Mormon.
Bobseeks · 1 hour ago
I am waiting Latter day.
LDKennison · 52 minutes ago
-Jeff DixonYou have called me by a name (in your last post) that you know I am not, because I patiently explained to you why I am a Christ believer, repentent and baptized Christian.
Is that the best you can do jeffie? Do you know LD personally and can you vouch for him being a Christian? Besides that, even if this is a lie (rather than a play on his moniker) this happpened after you made your statement which means you had nothing to point to. You just can't stand it that I have proved you tyo be a liar time after time can you jeffie?
-BobseeksIt does not matter if I know him or not. The fact is YOU do not know him. You are accusing him of being a Mormon without a shred of evidence to support your claim. He has denied this statement. Therefore, when you continue to state he is a Mormon, you are lying.
-Jeff DixonActually I was using Latter Day to annoy him and draw him out. As usual, your pathetic little mind is unable to grasp that type of nuance. Also, you once again deny your atheist beliefs by not requiring "evidence." Once again you prove to have no integrity; when you find yourself losing the fight, you resort to whatever tactic suits your evil purpose.
-BobseeksOh, I grasped what you were attempting to do. However, regardless of your intent, you lied while saying this. You asked when you have lied. I have shown you two examples. I doubt finding others would be difficult.
-Jeff DixonThen find them jeffie, there is plenty here to choose from. Just try to show a tiny little bit of integrity and pick an actual lie. I also see that, once again, you are putting forth the lie that your forebearer hitler was a catholic. Tell me how one can deny the beliefs and practices of any faith and still be considered to be of that faith. Actually, don't waste your time because everyone here but not-so-deep knows that you are lying when you make that statement. I still want your evidence that LD is not a mormon sincew you are always boasting that you require evidence.
-BobseeksYou claim to be a Christian even though it forbids providing false witness. How can you claim to be a Christian when you lie about people?
-Jeff DixonYou are grasping at straws jeffie. In truth, I did not refer to LD as a mormon, I called him latter day in an attempt to annoy him as you well know. In fact, I even referred to him as a pseudo-Christian, apostate, and a POSSIBLE mormon troll which is in no way calling him a mormon. You are going to have to up your game a bit little jeffie and calling hitler a catholic just isn't going to cut it because almost all here know that is a lie. By the way, you never have addressed the issue of stalin, mao and pol pot – the gods of the atheists. What do you say about them?
-BobseeksNonsense. This is what you said about him.
Bobseeks · 4 hours ago
LD (Latter Day?): I suspect that you are either a mormon troll or one of those well meaning but ignorant Christians
That is referring to him as a Mormon. What else are you going to lie about?
-Jeff DixonAlso, even if I "lied" in trying to get LD's goat, what is the second lie little jeffie? Is that another of your lies?
-BobseeksYou continually state that Hitler was an atheist regardless of the amount of information provided that shows he was a Catholic.
It is posted above. All you have to do is read.
-Jeff DixonRead my reply to your lie about hitler, jeffie.
-BobseeksWhat information jeffie? Show me some historical proof that hitler followed the beliefs and practices of the catholics both in his heart and in his actions.
-BobseeksYou want me to provide something that shows what was in his heart? lol.
However, showing his actions is more reasonable.
Hitler was raised as a Catholic and remained one for his entire life. He made Christian school prayer mandatory for the 1930's German schoolchildren who grew up to be his dreaded SS. The Catholic Church never ex-communicated Hitler for any of his actions. In fact, they sent him birthday greetings every year during the war. It has been noted that Hitler had minor disagreements with the Catholic church in Germany (but not with the church in Rome, with which he signed a Concordat in 1933, and which ordered the German church to fall in line), and they have attempted to twist these minor disagreements into a widespread misconception that he was an atheist. Hitlers issue with the Church was that he believed he should be above it, not with its message. If the Catholic Church considered Hitler a good Christian, and he considered himself a Christian, it is amusing to hear others try and explain that he really was not one. The Catholic Church did ex-communicate Martin Luther for his writings and actions, so they would take that response when they considered it appropriate.
Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party.
…Adolph Hitler said "As for the Jews, I am just carrying on with the same policy which the Catholic Church has adopted for 1500 years…..when it regarded the Jews as dangerous and pushed them into ghettos, etc., because it knew what the Jews were like…" Because of the Council of Trent, laws were set forth to establish who was a heretic and history shows us that the Vatican legally slaughtered "heretics" to cleanse the Land of Christians and Jews. As the Second Vatican Council commenced in 1963, Pope John XXIII declared, "I do accept entirely all that has been decided and declared at the Council of Trent" this includes the 100 or so anathema's against Bible Christians.
-Jeff Dixon“National Socialism is not a cult-movement– a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship… We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else– in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmising but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will– not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938.
“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933
"My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people." –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)
-Jeff DixonBut just for the sake of argument, lets pretend that Hitler really did pretend his Christianity; that his sole aim went to politically winning over German Christians so that he could gain their confidence. How in the world does that improve your argument in protecting Christianity from Hitler? If that proved the case, then who should get the blame, Hitler or the gullible Christian German citizens who believed him? And what does that say for the integrity of Christianity if the most Christianized country in the world could not distinguish a member of their own belief system? Think about it. If the most pious Christians and clergymen could not tell if Hitler practiced false or "real" Christianity, then how in the world could anyone tell? I submit that the only way to tell comes from the very words from those who make the claim. Indeed, this constitutes the very flaw of any religion because there never has existed a testable way to determine the truthfulness of a belief in the supernatural. And if you cannot tell by the words of your fellow Christians, then anyone with minimal acting talent can deceive anyone, including monks, bishops, or popes. In fact, monks, bishops and popes themselves, could fall prey to falsehood. I submit to you that a false Christian and a real Christian makes absolutely no difference. Why? Because if I have it right (and I think I do) then Christianity never represented reality, thus an honest believing Christian and a dishonest believing Christian fall on equal turf: they both have it wrong, and they both practice falsehoods!
The only evidence we have, or could ever have, about people who call themselves Christian comes from the very confession of those making the claim. And since Hitler makes his claim to Christianity abundantly and clearly, we can only rely on his claim, regardless of whether he actually believed in Christ or not. False Christianity has as just much validity as any claim to Christianity, even if you could prove dishonesty.
-Jeff DixonGood heavens. Sir, I pray to God that your rant does not represent all of us Christians in God's eyes. You sound almost Muslim in your anger, emnity and hate. I think we'll all be surprised at what God has done or not done. You have probably belonged to multiple churches on your way to this attitude. Were they all correct? Can they be? I think we're in a world of hurt in God's eyes–dividing over minor points of doctrine. And yet you bash on Mormons.
I have two Mormon neighbors and would to God that my Evangelical neighbors were as charitable, kind, honest and good–all a manifestation of whether one has truly accepted God. Yes, we're saved by grace–but if your life does not reflect that conversion, are you truly converted? Which leads me to believe that you are not. Your words are NOT the words of Christ. You assume too much authority, sir.
-Esteban CafeAs usual you prove yourself to be no Christian esteban. The way to Heaven is through grace and grace alone, not through kindness although these are commendable traits in anyone. You are a liar esteban because you lie about Christ – He did not put up with lies and heretics as you imply. Sorry, estaban, you are no Christtian and you have no concept of righteous anger against those who slander GOD and you tolerate the heretics of the mormon satan worshippers.
-BobseeksI think you might have a positive effect on some if you would calm down and present your points in love. You seem to have some knowledge about different topics. Don't take everything personally. You alone cannot win anyone to Christ, but with an aggressive attitude, you are sure not to. Try to remember how Jesus treated lost people that he met along the way (the woman at the well and the rich young ruler). Have you got a better method than that? I think not. Try to engage others in a considerate conversation. Don't just go off on them. God bless.
-LDKennisonLD (Latter Day?): I suspect that you are either a mormon troll or one of those well meaning but ignorant Christians who forget that Jesus once beat the moneychangers in the temple, castigated the Pharisses numerous times, called His own disciples stupid, informed pseudo-Christians that they would be condemned to Hell (I never knew you), and who even spoke sharply to His most loyal discple Peter (get behind me satan). You may be one of those limp-wristed, effiminate quasi or pseudo-Christians who seem to have no problem with those who slander GOD and who lead the ignorant to Hell. Your favorite word is tolerance – a word not used by GOD in dealing with liars and heretics. I may be harsh but it is with the intent to expose liars, heretics, and apostates who thirst after the souls of the foolish and naive. By the way, no man leads anyone to Christ, it is the work of the Holy Spirit. It is the job of the Christian to stand for the truth and stand up to liars whether they be mormons, atheists, or pseudo-Christians. Apparently, you have a problem with that because I don't see you doing anything of the sort
-BobseeksVery funny thinking my initials stand for Latter Day. I need not answer to you for what kind of a Christian I am, however I will tell you I have been saved (belief in Jesus as my Savior, repented of my sins, and baptized in the name of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit). I will admit I am a very poor Christian, a wretched man who deserves to be sent to Hell. Sometimes I amaze myself by how wretched I am. But I do trust Jesus my Savior for my salvation. Your name-calling of someone who was sincerely trying to be helpful to you is very sad. By the way, I said in my last post that "you alone cannot win anyone to Christ," and then you seemingly called me out on it by saying, "By the way, no man leads anyone to Christ…" Huh? I will, however stick by what I said. Hope you don't mind me using a secular term, but you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. I will note that the people in that church in Wichita, have pretty much the same attitude you do, spewing vile on hurting people at funerals. Do you think for a second that has ANY chance of helping to win a single soul?
-LDKennisonAs I said earlier, it is the Holy Spirtit that wins souls to Christ and to claim to be a soul winner is the worst kind of arrogance and blasphemy. Also, you completely ignore that fact that Jesus was not the sugar and spice that you apostates preach today; if He had been, none of the rough working men types that became His apostles would have followed Him. The Gospel is sweet enough as it is, it does not need to be sweetened by the effiminate pulpit pimps that preach a false Christ today in order to pander to those whose who believe that ity is all about them. Once again you show your lack of discernment and hatred of the truth by comparing me to the vile liars of that church in Wichita. I will give you one chance to convince me of error LD: Show me the passages in Scripture where Jesus speaks gently to those who pervert His Gospel and slander Him, The Father, and the Holy Spirit and show me where it says we should not stand up and expose false teachers. Bonus point: Show me where GOD praises those who speak out against their brothers and sisters when they are speaking the truth.
-BobseeksI am waiting Latter day.
-BobseeksYou have called me by a name (in your last post) that you know I am not, because I patiently explained to you why I am a Christ believer, repentent and baptized Christian. Yet you cannot help yourself by being vile and nasty with me. Just the fact that you take it upon yourself to judge me as a Mormon, when I never have been or would ever consider being one, shows me that you just wallow in all your negativity. May God help you out of your nastiness. Our conversation is over.
-LDKennisonIt is over – and without you providing any answers to my questions because you are an apostate who has no answers – you just retreat whimpering like the apostate cur that you are. By the way, nothing I have said about you is either untrue or unfair and your hateful and deceitful nature is exposed by your reference to the westboro church. You can not offer facts, so you sneak off into the night. Good night, and good riddance LD(S).
-BobseeksThey are actually in Topeka, Ks. I grew up in Topeka and sadly, am very familiar with this family.
-Jeff DixonAs bad as they are, the worst of them is still better than you little jeffie.
-BobseeksI have no doubt that you feel the Phelps clan to be a wonderful addition to the Christian club. They embrace much of what you do. Their leader, Fred, is a rabid dog, who has been disbarred from practicing law.
A formal complaint was filed against Phelps on November 8, 1977, by the Kansas State Board of Law Examiners for his conduct during a lawsuit against a court reporter named Carolene Brady. Brady had failed to have a court transcript ready for Phelps on the day he asked for it; though it did not affect the outcome of the case for which Phelps had requested the transcript, Phelps still requested $22,000 in damages from her.[19] In the ensuing trial, Phelps called Brady to the stand, declared her a hostile witness, and then cross-examined her for nearly a week, during which he accused her of being a "slut", tried to introduce testimony from former boyfriends whom Phelps wanted to subpoena, and accused her of a variety of perverse sexual acts, ultimately reducing her to tears on the stand.[19] Phelps lost the case; according to the Kansas Supreme Court:
The trial became an exhibition of a personal vendetta by Phelps against Carolene Brady. His examination was replete with repetition, badgering, innuendo, belligerence, irrelevant and immaterial matter, evidencing only a desire to hurt and destroy the defendant. The jury verdict didn't stop the onslaught of Phelps. He was not satisfied with the hurt, pain, and damage he had visited on Carolene Brady.[19]
In an appeal, Phelps prepared affidavits swearing to the court that he had eight witnesses whose testimony would convince the court to rule in his favor. Brady, in turn, obtained sworn, signed affidavits from the eight people in question, all of whom said that Phelps had never contacted them and that they had no reason to testify against Brady. Phelps had committed perjury.[19]
On July 20, 1979, Phelps was permanently disbarred from practicing law in the state of Kansas,[19] though he continued to practice in Federal courts.
In 1985, nine Federal judges filed a disciplinary complaint against Phelps and five of his children, alleging false accusations against the judges. In 1989, the complaint was settled; Phelps agreed to stop practicing law in Federal court permanently, and two of his children were suspended for periods of six months and one year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Phelps
He is obviously your spiritual twin.
-Jeff DixonNowhere did I refer to members of the westboro church as Christians, I merely stated that these rabid dogs are better than you. Once again you resort to lies and distortions. Your attempt to negate the idiocy of your statement by quoting a ton of irrelevant facts only makes you appear to be desparate and deceitful.
-BobseeksThe facts show that Fred Phelps resorts to lies and personal attacks that have no foundation. That is exactly what you do. This information is completely relevant in comparing you to him.
I could not care less if you did not call him a Christian. Christians all believe in the delusion of Jesus. Being called a Christian is no compliment. It merely means you are not living in the real world.
-Jeff DixonBut you lied (by your own admission) when you say that I consider him to be a good addition to the Church. Gosh jeffie, you just keep tripping over your lies. Does your statement mean that anyone who resorts to personal attacks and lies is just like Fred Phelps? That means you are just like Fred Phelps little jeffie because you lie all the time and you just made a personal attack on all Christians by calling them "deluded". Yes jeffie, we finally agree on something – you are just like Fred Phelps. Good night and GOD Bless little jeffie.
-BobseeksThis is what I said
Jeff Dixon · 59 minutes ago
I have no doubt that you feel the Phelps clan to be a wonderful addition to the Christian club. They embrace much of what you do. Their leader, Fred, is a rabid dog, who has been disbarred from practicing law
That is stating an opinion about you, not saying it is a fact or that you actually believe them to be Christians. You really need to brush up on your vocabulary.
-Jeff DixonPlease use the term utah mormon , Joseph smiths son led the true portion of the church the REORGANISED lds and we don't believe any of the strange doctrine of utah. The concept of 'mother' in heaven is a pagan practice from the old testament and will be used again by the pope to drag in the ignorant muslim ,catholic, mormon and most of the breakaways from rome in to one world church of satan.
-ned kelly"There is not a shred of real evidence that BY approved of that one massacre…." That's because the evidence has been "shredded" beyond recognition. lol.
-tboneYes, and every time you post you give evidence of satan's power.
-BobseeksAny group representing itself as Christian but not believing in the divinity of Jesus Christ is by definition a cult and blasphemous. Mormons believe if you are a good little morman and live a good little life, you will get to go to "god school" when you die and upon graduation you will get your very own planet to be god of, just like they claim how the God of Earth came to be as He is. I don't think so. I don't care how many good works they do, they are still serving satan who is the king of this world until Jesus returns to take it back. Read the Holy Bible folks, at the end it says not to change anything in it or suffer the wrath of God (the real one). Wishing and wanting for it to be different won't make it so. Read it and heed it or be condemned to the pit for eternity.
-Richard WalkerAmen!
-BobseeksZionica is becoming a real hate site. I can't believe the hateful Protestants on here. Well, I take that back, Protestants, along with their clergy have been killing, raping, tar and feathering, and jailing Mormons for about 150 years or more. What a bunch of hypocites on here repeating lies and inaccuracies about the Church. Read a little history people. Protestant Christians have conducted witch hunts, burning at the stake, and pilloring for centuries. Smarten up
-Ross