Franklin Graham expresses doubt about authenticity of faith claims
Famed evangelist Reverend Franklin Graham went on a news program this morning likely hoping to show a strong standard for the Republican presidential candidates.
Flash forward fifteen minutes and he had questioned some combination of the moral character, authenticity, and religious beliefs of the President as well as the top three Republican hopefuls.
Starting with President Obama, Mr Graham- son of the most famous televangelist Reverend Billy Graham- said that while he does say that he is a Christian, and may go to church when the cameras are watching, there are also signs that he has Muslim leanings.
The Reverend hedged slightly throughout, saying that while Mr Obama has told him personally that he is a Christian and Mr Graham chooses to take him at his word, he still does have some reservations about how sincere the President is about his faith.
‘I think you have to ask President Obama,’ Mr Graham told the hosts of MSNBC’s show Morning Joe.
‘He has said he’s a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is.
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Franklin Graham certainly isn't Billy Graham, Franklin tip-toed around all the questions posed, Billy would have been straight up and direct with his answers. Obama is NOT a Christian simply by calling the Islam holy book the Holy Quran and that indicates he IS a musloid (an ignorant believer in islam).
-KalevI like your term "musloid." That's one of the better ones I've seen.
-Michael G.As far as OB being a Christian–he ain't. It would be like standing in the garage all day and calling yourself a car.
We can judge him by his actions, and they say: "Christian? No. I don't think so…"
Very good and true. Same principle!
-MyrtlelinderIf any candidate claims to be a Christian is one thing. If their actions in office go against the teachings of Christianity then that is a totally different thing. The Bible preaches against homosexuality and abortion. The one who is in office at the moment is doing everything that he possibly can to support those things. What does that tell you?
-JimYeah! "What does that tell you?" So right.
-Michael G.EVERY Republican candidate other than Ron Paul has voted to support or fund abortion via Planned Parenthood. He does not compromise. Check their voting history.
-GuestAs much as I admire Graham, he does seem to be reluctant to call a true son of satan a son of satan. Maobama is without doubt an anti-Christian. There is absolutely nothing in his or his party's agenda that is even remotely Christian. Like all democrats, maobama is guilty of murder, theft, sexual perversion, sloth, fomenting hate, and all the things that are part of the democrat's agenda to destroy America. These are verifible facts, and Graham should be ashamed for not pointing out exactly who maobama is.
-BobseeksI am a Democrat, Bobseeks, but I am not a sexual pervert, a thief, a fomenter of hate, or a murderer and I am not a party to any agenda to destroy America. Your radical, irrational, all-subsuming indictment of "all democrats" does nothing except to show just how deluded and fanatical you have become.
You really ought to apologize to Democrats for your absurd accusation.
-bighossSo you believe in a socialist form of government as the Democratico Party now stands for?
-KalevIn essence the Democratic Party IS the American Socialist Party lilpony.
Simpleton.
-DespevilleI believe in no socialist, whether he/she be Democrat or Republican, who has Socialists in it also. If you did not know the Republican was full of Socialists you have not bee watching of of them as they make their decisions, ow the make their way, through t the system.
-MyrtlelinderI will not apologize because anyone who votes for a democrat supports the whole democrat agenda which includes murder (abortion), theft (taxation), sexual perversion (the gay agenda), sloth (welfare, unions), and foments hate and envy (class warfare). If you are not any of those things, then why do you support them? You are what you support, bighoss and you, like every single democrat are a threat to America because these things are destroying America.
-BobseeksExactly, the Democratic Party IS now the Socialist Party USA.
-KalevThere are about as many democrats who are Christian as there are Rinos in the Republican party, or at least as many as the used to be Rhinos. It seems that today the number is multiplying. . You can tell by the number of Republicans who are doing exactly nothing about the anti-GOD abomination in the White House
-MyrtlelinderThere is no such thing as a democrat Christian unless you believe that Christians can support murder, theft, sloth, hate, corruption, sexual perversion and lies. Is that your idea of a Christian?
-BobseeksChristians have supported murder for centuries.
-Jeff DixonZzzzzzzzzzz …. same old, same old from satan's pimp. .. . Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.
-BobseeksYou cannot pimp out something which is imaginary.
-Jeff DixonSatan is no more imaginary thn you are and he is the god of all atheists whether they believe it or not.
-BobseeksOf course he is imaginary. He exists only in the minds of delusional people. You know, like you, bobbie.
-Jeff DixonZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, get a new schtick jeffie.
-BobseeksSatan has you fooled, and now has you.
-Michael G.You can tell a tree by its fruit, so judge the President by the fruit he bears. If he is genuine in a christian faith then he will exhibit the fruits of a christian. He would have prayer day, he would be faithfully attending a christian church. (not necessarily the Wright congregation because I don't think they would be considered a christian church at all). christ taught love, faith, patience, hope and love and I think we should advisely give these attributes to those who whom it is due.
-MartinYes Bob the prophets of Israel never had a problem of going and telling the Kings of Israel that they were wrong and would shout it from the rooftops. There is no fear of GOD anymore in this country and that is the biggest problem that we have.
-JimAmen Jim, indeed no fear of God anymore, absolutely none in general in the USA
-KalevYears ago, I had the pleasure of hearing a pastor take a stand, that most wouldn't touch. I wish I could remember his name. He had the chance to sit with Billy Graham, and had a question that nagged at him for years. He asked, "Your sermons have brought billions to Christ, your books have saved billions, your tapes (back then there were tapes not cd' or dvd's) have saved billions. Of all those billions, how many do you think are truly saved and Christians?" He said, "The answer amazed me. I expected him to say billions…or millions…or at least hundreds of thousands. The answer he gave was "thousands"."
-RAMWhen we have churches that celebrate immorality, or pick and choose it…and don't seem to even realize what is in the Bible, and what is not, you have a problem. Waiting on someone to tell us what is written in the Bible, instead of reading it, front page to last, year in and year out, would seem the least we can do to know the WHOLE TRUTH of God. The statement most 'Christians' make is 'I'll get around to it."…Knowing that Obama doesn't have a clue what the Bible truly said, in his one statement at the National Prayer Breakfast, and not ONE religious leader rebuked his lie of taking the Holy Bible out of content and context, speaks volumes of how corrupted the church has become, and an even bigger problem, in my opinion.
Satan is not a horned red devil, Satan was the most beautiful angel that God put in charge of all th angels, until he fell from heaven, when he tried taking over. He knows the Bible, better than any man, and the only way we will know the WHOLE TRUTH, and stand in it, is to read it ourselves, not hope that the religious leader you go to, even knows the WHOLE TRUTH himself. That should have been the eye opener at the National Prayer Breakfast!
Sunday is a day of rest from normal labors, a day of worship, a holey day. Obama celebrates that day by putting the little white ball into the holey.
-DavidSunday is NOT the Sabbath, the Roman Catholic Church changed the day without Biblical authority. Do a search "Protestant and Catholic Confession on the Sabbath" a read all the quotes of the various Church "leaders" comments on the truth about the day of the Sabbath. The Sabbath has always been on the seventh day, the day we call Saturday and it will FOREVER be the seventh day. It is a sign between a true son/ daughter of God and Him, that a person loves God will all his strength, will all his soul, with all his heart and with all his might. Aleikhem shalom.
-KalevHere is one of the best lists of confessions, http://www.biblesabbath.org/confessions.html
-KalevKalev, the believers in Christ began meeting on the first day of the week before there was a church in Rome. On what day of the week do the Eastern Orthodox churches meet to worship God? They meet on the first day of the week. They began meeting thus long before there was any issue of primacy between Rome and Constantinople. Centuries before there was a body known as the Roman Catholic Church, Christians met on the first dayof the week to celebrate the Resurrection. You need to read church history a little more carefully.
-JohnnyI know about church history and you have fell for the lies of religiousity and it's leaders. As far as meeting on the first day, if you had an understanding of the hebraic nature of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you would know that God instituted the Sabbath on the seventh day forever and there is no New Testament authority given for changing the Sabbath from the Biblical seventh day to the first day. As for the Resurrection, Yeshua rose before the first day for "He has already arisen" as the angel said to the women who came to the cave.
-KalevKalev, you have shown that you ignore anything that shows your beliefs to be mistaken, and consider such to be a lie despite the attestation of ancient documents.
-Johnny"Already risen" does not mean that he rose the day before the women found the tomb empty.
What do you say about the Eastern Orthodox churches meeting on the first day of the week?
Admire your patience but he is completely committed and sold out to the traditions of men he embraced…
-DespevilleThank you anyway.
Kalev, you are 100% correct. The Sabbath day was the seventh day of the week, from the very day it was made, in the beginning and according to history, the Catholics change ti to Sunday
-MyrtlelinderKalev, you are 100% correct. It was made by GOD when he rested on the seventh day after creating the world in six days. History tells us that the Catholics changed the day of worship to Sunday. About 90% of the churches follows this pagan day of worship, which means you will get a lot of flack about stating the truth about it, because we do not want to admit it or to hear it .
-MyrtlelinderI do not care if I get any flack for telling the truth. I have been studying the hebraic perspective of our faith for almost 4 years and you wouldn't believe all of the false teachings I have discovered in the modern Protestant Church in that time, Christmas and Easter originated from pagan rituals being some of the worse. God has seven holy convocations He requires His people to observe, they are delineated in Leviticus 23, they are NOT Jewish holidays, they ARE God's Holy Days and His Son, Yeshua, observed them and indeed all of Torah. Go to http://www.seedofabraham.net and read about the hebraic perspective today.
-KalevKalev, that is the way to go, stand for the truth, whatever anybody else may think. That is one huge problem in the USA people are afraid to let people know how they feel, and back down. These are cowards, and are not standing up for GOD or country. I believe whole heartedly in standing up for what you believe. KEEP ON KEEPING ON!!!
-MyrtlelinderThank you Kalev for the site. I will take a look at it tomorrow. God Bless.
-RAMThere is much more about the "Church" that is corrupt that people do not want to admit of hear about. I am not bothered by the "flack"; the truth is more important to me.
-Kalev"Flack" in itself means absolutely NOTHING. JWs receive a lot of "flack" for example and by your erroneous thinking they also must be telling "truth"… Your are duping yourself.
-DespevilleNow you know I consider JW's heretical like I believe you to be.
-KalevThat is besides the point I was making which you are unable to grasp.
-DespevilleYou have nothing I wish to grasp on to, especially your anti-nomian and anti-Semitic Calvinism.
-KalevYou mumble like a short circuited robot. A typical reaction of an indoctrinated person who is not able to think for themselves past what the leader prescribed via e-mail or "sermon"…
-DespevilleA humorous response from someone who is completely indoctrinated himself. Please, give us another wonderful inane quote from one of your leaders in Calvinism.
-Jeff DixonEverything is to a fool. And don't whine about Calvinism as I did not say a word about that. Of course that will not stop enslaved mind like yours or Kalev's to swing that. I don't care what you or anyone else say or think of Calvinism or Arminianism or Amyraldianism or… Well that's too much for your google search skills anyway and that is all you got shallow troll.
-DespevilleHey Jeff, Despeville is why athiest exist, he scares them from ever being able to see the truth due to their false, man-made doctrines. People like him bottle up grace in their perverted traditions of men.
-Kalev:Hey Jeff, Despeville is why athiest exist…"
Really? I thought it was due to a fall of mankind, at least that is what the Bible says.
-DespevilleNot so for a Pelagian like you. You are so forgone in your Jewish myths that you cannot even relate basic biblical facts.
Please, it is "flak," not "flack." Get a dictionary and find out the difference.
-bighossThere are not many Franklin Grahams!! GOD demands that HIS people tell the truth. You must stand for the truth, even though we will suffer for it, every Christian who stand the ground for GOD. We will have some fear but we must leave in the "HANDS OF GOD." HE can take of it.
-MyrtlelinderIsn't it amusing that so many folks so often and so assuredly quote Jesus's principle of judging ("Judge not that ye be not judged") when it suits them to defend some person or belief to which they are dedicated, but some of the same folks have no reluctance to harshly judge the President because they disagree with his politics or with their perception of his faith. Who equipped you folks with a "faith-o-meter" with which to ferret out true Christians from imposters?
-bighossHoss, I get the analogy and yes hypocrisy overflows but do not make so literal connections between spiritual and politics.
-DespevilleFirst, I have to laugh at those that use that phrase for an agenda, rather than why it was said, who it was said to and where it was said. Even Christians use it to justify bad behavior and immorality. Much like Jesus also said, "Pearls to swine", those that are not Christian, won't get it. If you read the content and context to what was going on,
-RAMPure motives, do not use parlor games with prophetic words.
I will tell you what I hear, and you can either read, in content and context, to verify God is telling you the same thing.
Matthew 7: 1-29…Yes, the phrase "Don't judge" is used, but if you stop there, you miss what Jesus was saying. I could move on to verse's 15-16, which warns of false prophets and we will know them by their fruits. The manipulation of the Bible, is a cheap trick. Ephesians 6: 1-24, the last chapter in that small book of the Bible, warns us of this tactic, and where it will come from the most. Within the church. To put on "the whole armor of God." Why? Because of the tactic of taking the Bible out of content and context, even at the pulpit. One of the hardest things for anyone, is to wish those that cause harm, lie, cheat and steal, well. But Jesus tells us to do that. Not because they deserve it, but because our hearts are under judgement from God. In Matthew 5: 1-48, 6: 1-34, 7:1-29, 8:1-13, we find many things that this world mocks, angers, ignores and will manipulate for individual profit. In these the hardest is, for most, 5: 43-48. This calls for us to love our enemies? To pray for those that mean us harm? Do you love your family? your friends? Of course you do…so do I , but, what about those who have done you wrong? Do you love your enemies? Jesus says it's easy to love a dear friend. The thing we have to take note of is He warrants no effort for the love of a friend or family member for the most part but loving an enemy…is cherished.
I know, for me, that goes against every fiber of my human nature, and I have fallen in this many times…but Jesus never did. He was almost always in a place where those tried to trick Him, anger him, make Him strike back, but He never fell into sin.
To my brothers and sisters, read these very few passages because Jesus addressed so much of what we fall to every day. Stand in the WHOLE TRUTH of God. Man's nature is to put their agenda's first, and will use anyway to do just that. Our churches reflect that value in many pulpits and clergy. God Bless.
Indeed.Good book on some of that: http://amzn.to/wOFWcL
-DespevilleDespeville, Thanks for the info. I will look into it tomorrow…well, it is actually tomorrow (2am), but I'll look into it sometime tomorrow. God Bless.
-RAMGod Bless you as well. Worth reading.
-DespevilleYes: While manipulation of the Bible is done by both sides, the left does it much more often than the right and almost always to justify the sins of welfare and homosexuality.
-BobseeksI can't justify who does it more. That is a trap that justifies even doing it. I have fallen into that trap, and it really does no good, at least for me. Satan is very slick. God Bless.
-RAMGood! You've got the answer square.
-Michael G.Why shouldn't he? You are always trying to make a literal connection between the spiritual and scientific and the spiritual and the physical. You fail, but that does not stop you from trying.
-Jeff DixonBy their fruits you shall know them. When their fruits are anti-Christian in their tenor and go against what God has declared, you can have great doubts about their knowledge of the living God.
-JohnnyPeople do not read all of the scriptures concerning judging. They only read Matthew 7:1 and stop right there. You need to read the rest of that passage and look up all of the passages concerning judging. It is right to judge if your judgment is true and remember you will be judged by the judgment you use to judge others
-MyrtlelinderIt would help if you knew the meaning of the word (judge). There are several in the Greek, one of which, and the most applicable is ANAKRINO. There are numerous cross-references with this word,and I'll only use a couple of them. This word best fits the following: "2 Cor. 2:14., "'are…discerned; 14:24, he is judged (of al), i.e. the light of the heart searching testimony of the assembly probes the conscience of the unregenerate, sifting him judicially."
-Michael G.It sounds as if you don't want anyone making a judgement call about anything you do, or anyone else for that matter. Well, that isn't the way the world works. I make judgement calls all day long on everything. So do you. You may not be willing to admit it, but you do. Anyone who doesn't make judgement calls usually gets run over, and by just about everyone else. It's pure folly not to make a judgement call.
It sounds like you're afraid of being judged.
bighoss: Their fruits indicate whether or not they are Christians and so far, maobama's fruits are support for murdering babies, more welfare, more unions, more corruption, class hatred and envy, and lies, lies, lies. What is amusing is that those who misuse this Scripture are always the workers of iniquity who try to hide behind it. We are to speak out against sin just like Jesus did and maobama is sin incarnate.
-Bobseeks.
@BIGHOSS:
Judge not … – This command refers to rash, censorious, and unjust judgment. See Romans 2:1. Luke Luk 6:37 explains it in the sense of "condemning." Christ does not condemn judging as a magistrate, for that, when according to justice, is lawful and necessary.
-James HanrattyMy replies disappear when I refresh the page. What's up with that Zionica?
-KalevThey must be anti Semites too…
-DespevilleKalev: You have to clear your browser cache and then refresh the page. Or just subscribe to replies and they will send you a clickable link when you get a reply which will then go back to your comment.
-keyboardsharkI have had that happen to mine and then they appear later on. Could be some malfunction or maybe censorship.
-BobseeksAnomaly or a malfunction, unless it's really inappropriate I do not sense any censorship here.
-KalevThankfully what seems to you is meaningless to administrators.
-DespevilleDespeville you are really creepy, kinda like an online stalker. Wonder if you are a stalker in your real life. Or maybe you do not have a real life after all.
-KalevYes, I am a stalker and watching you right now through your window…
-DespevilleBye stalker, I'm logging out now and coming up behind you outside my window with a baseball bat. WHACK – there goes you head!
-KalevHmmm, better come up with something better than that. I don't think your baseball bat will do much to my Heckler & Koch.
-DespevilleLook through my window and you'll get a .45 ACP from my 1911At 'tween your eyes, idiot.
-KalevYou are such a fool, I mean someone would actually hire a moron such as yourself; employee as stupid as his employer I guess.
I have your IP Kalev and if I really need to I can look through that window of yours but there is nothing to see there besides your religious cultist pretense. As to the employee stuff. I run my own business and employ myself among others. So you can call names just one person me… You are in darkness and you are a slave of it.
-DespevilleBeat it idiot troll.
-KalevYou can always find out what is really under pretentious facade and we just did again.
-DespevilleUGH, gonna resume your anti-Semitic attacks on me again? You must be bored spending an inordinate amount of time on me with your anti-nomian attacks on me also.
-KalevLike a fish in a barrel…
-DespevilleMy journey of return actually began on a mountain in Montana almost 12 years ago (late March 2000). 72 degrees and sunny then in less than 5 minutes it plunged to below freezing with snow blowing almost horizontally. I realized then there was a God and He could be found in the Bible but it took me another 4 years before I would actually pick up The Book and begin reading it for myself. Cover to cover nine times in the past 8 years. All of that reading led me to see the many errors in the Protestant Church. "Sabbath to Sunday" and "The Two Babylons" help me see the errors in the Roman Catholic Church, which the Protestant Church brought into her fold.
-KalevYour "journey"? That is a favorite catch word of emergents and mega b.s. -ers…
-DespevilleIt is not the amount of times you read but what Holy Spirit shows you in His inspired text when you read.
I do NOT accept you as a teacher so quit trying to feed me your Calvinism. Every time I read I am shown deeper truths in Scripture through the Holy Spirit and why I see all the errors in the modern Protestant Christian Churches, like their pagan inspired holiday like Sunday, Xmas and Easter.
-KalevI do not seek your acceptance or whatever else can cross your mind. I am not "feeding you" anything nor any Calvinism. I am only replying to your attacks on the Gospel and Christian Church.
-DespevilleAs you told the athiest on another blog, beat it troll. I am NOT attacking the Gospel of Yeshua haMashiach but I do reserve the right to point out the pagan traditions that have crept into the Protestant Christian Church, which I was raised up in. I love these people but I do not love all of the traditions that run against Biblical commandments, ordinances and statutes. Like I stated below you are like an online stalker, jumping on me every chance you get.
-KalevYou were not raised up in any "Protestant Church"… Your Pentecostals of whatever brand are not true and historic Protestants. If you would just study a bit the church history of which you are shockingly ignorant as for the nth time was observed and this time by Johnny you would know that. What follows is that you have no clue and no understanding of what True Gospel is and how true Protestant Church expounds it over the ages. You are a neophyte long on abuse and ignorance and very, very short on factual information and you are an enemy of the Gospel and its Giver.
-DespevilleNow that is unrighteous judgement on your part. I went to a Southern Baptist Church as a young child and a Congregational Christian Church in my teens, far from any Pentecostal Church. When I returned to faith I went to "Indepent" Churches but many had a Pentecostal style, so yes you could rightly call them Pentecostal but I didn't remain in them very long. I have studided church history and it is loaded with apostasy and heresy of every sort, like you that follow traditions of men and not the commandments, statutes and judgements of God contained in Torah like our Savior Yeshua did as He was obedient to the Father as I try to be.
-Kalev"Now that is unrighteous judgement on your part. I went to a Southern Baptist Church as a young child and a Congregational Christian Church in my teens, far from any Pentecostal Church."
Imagining that you can actually say something of factual value you have one more time demonstrated your nauseating ignorance of church history. Obviously you are oblivious to who Anabaptists were and their influences and the fact that they were not Protestant. You are truly sickeningly ignorant and your spray your ignorance like a bad cough.
-DespevilleKalev, methinks that on the occasion of your exposure to those extremes of low temperature, some vital portions of your brain may have become frostbitten!
-bighossNo Christian would advocate abortion for his own daughters! This man is NOT Christian! He is emotionless. God help me if I am mistaken but I do not see any way how I am. If this nation does not get him out of the White House & the Capitol, we are doomed. He is the enemy. He gives weapons to Mexico and wants to ban them here! Does this sound like the act of a United States leader? He spends tax dollars as if they were all his money! Telling Georgia they can have $8.3 billion for a nuclear power plant in order to get his name n the Georgia ballot? I don't think this is altogether legal!
-Carol GoodwinExpressing your "love" again? "Follower" of something?
-DespevilleThis is just a farce. Christians arguing about who is a True Christian and who is not.
The w hole thing is insane. Clearly the only mathematical solution that works is for there to be no god. THEN and only THEN can we all agree.
You've had 2000 years and you still cannot work it out. Atheists win. Booo.
-Chris PThe true Christians know who a true Christian is. Some profess to be true Christians, but the actual true Christians know better. It is easy to know the true Christians, because a true Christian acts like a true Christian. The pretenders claim to be true Christians, but it is easy to know that they are not true Christians because they are not acting like true Christians. However, some people act like true Christians, but are not actually true Christians because they do not believe in Jesus the right way.
The challenge, of course, is that so many people have a different idea of what it means to keep his word. They also disagree on what his word actually means. But, the true Christians are always willing to tell everyone they are wrong, and they are right. How do they know? Why, they are the true Christians, of course.
-Jeff DixonOnce upon a time we worried that a Catholic president might obey the minions of the Bishop of Rome. Now we demand that a Protestant president obey the dictates of the those same minions. And a Roman Catholic who proudly proclaims that if elected he would govern in accordance with the teachings of the Bishop of Rome is the leading candidate to replace that president. Is this really progress?
-Steve03Well, the president we have is a 'liar and truth not in him' – is this progress?.?
-JPWKalev, I asked you a question this morning, and you have ignored it. What do you say about why the Eastern Orthodox churches meet on the first day of the week and not on the last day. If you know anything at all about the relations between Rome and Constantinople, you would know that the Eastern churches could not accept Rome's claim that their bishop (called "Pope") was superior to the Metropolitan in Constantinople, and the followers of the Bishop of Rome could not accept the Metropolitan as an equal to their bishop.
Do you have any church history that denies what I have told you? Please cite it, if you do.
In what year did the church in Rome change the day of worship from the last day of the week to the first day of the week?
-JohnnyIt is apparent that this acorn fell a long way from the tree. Franklin Gramhan should re-evaluate just how he wants to carry on his father's work. Seldom did the senior Gramham get involved publicly but he was quite active behind the scenes. Little Franklin should do the same because he is making himselve look petty and a spiritual fool. He is getting close to what is described in 2 Peter 2:1-3.
-e.rebusPetty & spiritual fool? That is the problem why so many Christians are falling and failing.
Judge not, that you be not judged" is often the wailing cry of false teachers and hardened sinners who misapply the verse to ward off censure for their evil deeds. Do not be intimidated by such people, for Jesus has commanded us to judge with righteous judgment. "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24). This is reminiscent of Leviticus 19:15, "You shall do no injustice in judgment. You shall not be partial to the poor, nor honor the person of the mighty. But in righteousness you shall judge your neighbor."
There is a place for righteous judgment. When Christians persist in sin, they are to be judged by their fellow Christians, as Paul explained to the Corinthians: "I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. Yet I certainly did not mean the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, not even to eat with such a person. For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore 'put away from yourselves that wicked person'" (1 Corinthians 5:9-13).
In a nutshell, this means those that profess to be Christians, ARE to be judged, according to their words and actions matching up. Now if YOU are in the same sin, you have no right to judge, and nothing is hidden from God.
In my opinion, too many clergy don't stand firm enough on leaders who claim Christianity, but have openly, from the pulpit of the church they belonged to, mocked the Bible ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RWHdQBMgb4&fe…! & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRA6l-VCttg&fe… )
I'm not sure how many Christians know that collective salvation is not what the Bible says, yet this is the belief of the church Obama mocked the Bible from.
Jesus reprimanded the church at Thyatira: "Nevertheless I have a few things against you, because you allow that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, to teach and beguile My servants to commit sexual immorality and to eat things sacrificed to idols" (Revelation 2:20). What if false teaching on divorce and remarriage leads God's people to commit sexual immorality? Will God hold us guiltless if we allow such to be taught, and if we fellowship people Jesus says are committing adultery? (Matthew 5:31,32; 19:9; Mark 10:11,12; Luke 16:18).
Many commands of God require the exercise of righteous judgment. You say, "Give me one example." How about more than one. "But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us" (2 Thessalonians 3:6); "And if anyone does not obey our word in this epistle, note that person and do not keep company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet do not count him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother" (2 Thessalonians 3:14,15); "Teach and exhort these things. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not consent to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness, he is proud, knowing nothing, but is obsessed with disputes and arguments over words, from which come envy, strife, reviling, evil suspicions, useless wrangling of men of corrupt minds and destitute of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain. From such withdraw yourself" (2 Timothy 6:2b-5); "Now I urge you, brethren, note those who cause divisions and offenses, contrary to the doctrine which you learned, and avoid them. For those who are such do not serve our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly, and by smooth words and flattering speech deceive the hearts of the simple" (Romans 16:17,18).
I will be the first to say, I fail, in so many ways, that I want to stand firmer for God, abide in the Bible and strengthen my weaknesses I see…and I will fail, many times But, I will not call out others on the same things I am a part of, and if I do, I've called out my own participation. Calling out immorality, is supposed to start with our clergy, yet these days it doesn't happen. I'll be honest, I hate being called out when I'm wrong, no one does, but there is nothing God will do to harm us. He wants us to live in the WHOLE TRUTH, and that hurts many times. God Bless
All these commands require the careful exercise of righteousness judgment. Do not be deceived by smooth words and flattering speech. Beware of wolves who come to you with a sheep's skin.
We must be careful not to make unqualified judgments. But we must judge appropriately when commanded to do so. "Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment" (John 7:24).
-RAM