Catholics protest against Maryland bar

On the eve of Easter, a religious group is coming down hard on the Fells Point bar Ale Mary's.

Why?

Well, its name for starters. And all of the other things the church-themed bar does for kitsch value.

They decorate with photos of nuns. They post their draft list on a hymn board. They offer Father Luies Grilled Wings and Father Tom's Fried Ice Cream Sundae. And, possibly their most serious transgression according to the group: the bar's "chalice" club where people can get their beer served in a chalice.

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Bobseeks

Typical romans – worrying about "sacred objects" that have no connection to Christ while aiding and abetting the downfall of America by supporting the democrat party that is against everything that is of GOD.
- Robert De Leon
  
  Bobseeks:
  It's very strange. Are you saying that Christ's chalice in Last Supper has no connection with God? See? You are as contradictory as always with this type of comments.
  Robert.
  - Bobseeks
    
    The chalice is merely a cup except to you pagan idolators of the roman heresy. No mention of it is made in Scripture other than with the LORD's Supper and it is not sacred. The cross is mentioned often and is a symbol of hope; the chalice has no such meaning. You really should look at your false, foolish religion with all its fake artifacts and false teachings and fall down on your knees and ask GOD to forgive you for you blasphemous ways.
    - Robert De Leon
      
      Bobseeks:
      Another strange thing. I consider "deformers" from Century XVI as heretics. Jesus founded His Church upon the Rock, Saint Peter, but then Calvin decided that Jesus said this, but he meant that. In the end Luther, Calvin et al "reformed" (well, they tried) to our Lord Jesus Christ. Now, how is the heretic?
      Robert.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        DeLeon,
        
        Do you worship the same "god" as Muslims do as your Church teaches or not???
        And if not then explain how you are still a faithful Roman Catholic.
        Will you answer the vital question based on the documents of Rome or not?
        Why do you evade it?
      - Bobseeks
        
        The Church was not founded on Peter, that is a papist lie that comes from satan in the form of a pope misusing Scripture. The Church is founded on the truth that Peter spoke in faith, that being "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” You are a heretic and living proof that the roman heresy is good at brainwashing the weak minded.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        This is whom DeLeon worships per document and attestation of Roman Catholic Church:
        
        "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
        
        Catechism of Roman Catholic Church, Point 841
        Official Vatican Catechism Site: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM
        
        Now Bob and a reader DO NOTICE that Robert DE Leon will evade this and keep silent about this abominable heresy equating God of the Bible with allah of Islam while at the same time he will continue to attack the Gospel and its Believers and smearing the names of great Christians of the past…
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        DeLeon,
        
        One more time you rung from DOCUMENTED BLASPHEMY and APOSTASY of Roman Catholic "church" only to show up later to attack the Gospel and bark and great men of God used by Him to protect and transmit His Gospel for next generations. Typical.
    - http://conservativebyte.com Michael G.
      
      I think you better find out what the meaning of the word "sacred" is.
  - TCHall
    
    They're using the actual chalice from The Last Supper???
    
    Wow, that is irreverent!!!
    
    Unfortunately there is also that "judge not lest ye be judges" thing that takes worrying about this right out of the hands of anyone who is actually a practicing Christian…
- http://twitter.com/goodone121 @goodone121
  
  The Sacred Objects were INSTITUTED by Christ, and, if you go to http://conservapedia.com/Roman_Catholic_Church , you will see the Church is divided in half between Republicans and Democrats.
  - Robert De Leon
    
    There are more than one billion of Catholics in the world. You meant that more than 500 millions are Democrats and 500 millions Republicans.?
    Robert.
    - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
      
      Explain the SAME "god" tou worship with Muslims DeLeon…
      
      "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
      
      Catechism of Roman Catholic Church, Point 841
      Official Vatican Catechism Site: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM
      - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
        
        Bid whoop. There are Protestant church leaders who also say Christians and Muslims worship the same god.
        
        "The Rev. Rick Warren, pastor of Saddleback Church in Lake Forest and one of America’s most influential Christian leaders, has embarked on an effort to heal divisions between evangelical Christians and Muslims by partnering with Southern California mosques and proposing a set of theological principles that includes acknowledging that Christians and Muslims worship the same God."
        http://bluecollarphilosophy.com/2012/02/rick-warr…
      - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
        
        Here is an article that says that 8% of evangelical leaders say that Muslims and Christians ultimately worship the same God. It states it is a minority view, but there are Protestant Christians who believe this as well.
        http://www.pewforum.org/Christian/Evangelical-Pro…
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        Goofy,
        
        What some of leavenjellycal story tellers/entertainers mumble is not the same as having that mumbling CODED in official document used as offcial platform for teaching and equipping hordes of people.
        Additionally, those leavenjellycals are nothing but harbingers of Roman message into the gullible masses of leavenjellycalism.
      - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
        
        Humpty, I could not care less whether it is codified, fortified or intensified. My point is that some Protestants say the same thing as the Catholics. Your protests do not change that reality.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        Schizoid that for you there is no difference between official and codified teaching of Roman Catholic Church taken at the council almost 50 years ago and personal position of some story tellers from leavenjellycalism but for those of us who are sane, know history and know church history too the difference is obvious. This is precisely why you should stick with mortgages of marketing.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        "mortgages of marketing." should be "mortgages or marketing" I deprived you some satisfaction but in the end the point is the same. You are clueless, brutish ignorant.
      - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
        
        Your inability to post anything close to a coherent sentence shows just how clueless, brutish and completely ignorant you are, Humpty.
        
        Order some more wine from your vineyard.
        http://www.canardvineyard.com/
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        Oh I see you are parroting more terms from my posts dumbo jumbo. Well at least your simpleton's vocabulary is growing, very slowly but it does compressed nitwit after joke of a school and meaningless major.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        Yes, he is in a bed with Rome and NWO. We all know it. It is only your epiphany and not ours. You are 10 years behind Dixon. I am positively sure that not only you do not know about his role if CFR but you do not even know what CFR is…
      - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
        
        If they are fighting against the NWO, I am sure they are filled with loons like you, Humpty.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        You are true imbecile dumbo jumbo… CFR would not oppose NWO which you heard about like 6 months ago as still are clueless as you are clueless what CFR is but that does not stop your from salving yourself while you mumble about both in your deranged moronism.
      - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
        
        There is no NWO to oppose, Humpty. Just more ramblings from a delusional loon.
      - William L McCaughey
        
        Actually, Christians and Muslims do not worship the same God because the Muslims do not acknowledge the Trinity. They regard Christ as merely a prophet and not the greatest of the prophets who, according to them, is Mohammid. Christians (most at least) believe that Christ is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity (God the Son). He was incarnate by the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. Unfortunately, the liberals who implemented the schema of Vatican II were so obsessed with a false ecumenism that they claimed that Muslims and Jews believe in the same God. They believe in God the Father and exclude the Son and the Holy Spirit (the One God in three divine persons).
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        Gee thanks but I was not speaking about Christians but Roman Catholics and their official teaching and also practice. Roman Catholicism is not Christianity in terms of doctrinal distinction and most Roman Catholics will not identify themselves as Christians either…
        
        "The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."
        
        Catechism of Roman Catholic Church, Point 841
        Official Vatican Catechism Site: http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM
      - Hurricane
        
        Despeville,
        
        What's your point? Islam does claim the worship of the God of Abraham, but it denies the divinity of Jesus. Just like the Jews. Read Point 839.
        
        Obviously both the Jews and Muslims are wrong. So what?
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        What is my point? I think it is presented black on white and referenced too so do not play stupid.
        The point is that Roman "church" is a purveyor of hellish and diabolical lies through which engages in massive spiritual holocaust of souls.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        "Unfortunately, the liberals who implemented the schema of Vatican II were so obsessed with a false ecumenism that they claimed that Muslims and Jews believe in the same God. "
        
        Do yourself a favor and buy yourself the newest copy of your Catechism, depending which edition you will buy in the introduction you will see affirmation by Benedict 16th or JP2 that it contains the true teaching of Rome so do not blame it on Vatican II please and do not play such crude tricks with yourself.
    - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
      
      DeLeon,
      
      If you add to that 1.6 billion Muslims who are in the same extended church worshiping the SAME "god" per teaching, practice and documents of Roman Catholicism then you have really, really big "church"….
      - bighoss
        
        Neither DeLeon nor any other Papist stooges can rationalize away the overt, unambiguous embrace of the Muslim deity in the Catechism (Part 841) of the Catholic Cult. It is just THERE, staring them in the fact. It is part of the rotten fruit cultivated by a corrupt Magisterium and an apostate Pope (i.e. any Pope).
        
        "But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind."
        DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH
        LUMEN GENTIUM
        SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS [alleged] HOLINESS
        POPE PAUL VI
        ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964- at Part 16 http://www.ewtn.com/library/councils/v2church.htm
        
        More:
        
        "The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting."
        
        DECLARATION ON
        THE RELATION OF THE CHURCH TO NON-CHRISTIAN RELIGIONS
        NOSTRA AETATE
        PROCLAIMED BY HIS [alleged]HOLINESS
        POPE PAUL VI
        ON OCTOBER 28, 1965
        http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_va…
        
        IV. The Cult of the Blessed Virgin in the Church
        
        Also from Lumen gentium , at Part 66.
        
        "Placed by the grace of God, as God's Mother, next to her Son, and exalted above all angels and men, Mary intervened in the mysteries of Christ and is justly honored by a special cult in the Church."
        
        I KNEW they were a CULT!! Now they say it themselves!!
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        Ditto Hoss. Romanism is a satanic cult with external labels and trappings of Biblical faith a classic scenario and tactic used by satan to trap and slain souls. Read please about this false religion and a ploy of satan from Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones. He put it in rather rare way; both simple and profound at the same time;
        
        LINK: http://www.ianpaisley.org/article.asp?ArtKey=lloy…
      - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
        
        ALL religions are cults.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        "They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion."
        
        Indeed Hoss and notice how they zero in on any support for their idolatry. This is a classic trait of satan.
      - bighoss
        
        I am not seeing any Catholics rising to contest what I have posted above. No wonder–it shows from their own cult just what kind of blasphemous doctrines are embraced by the Pope and his people!
- daves
  
  We still have the evidence of the Bible itself. And one does not need to believe in the infallibility of that document to see that the Jesus who is depicted in it was implacably opposed to authoritarianism, warmongering, contempt for the poor, exaltation of wealth, conformity, and sanctimoniousness – in short, everything the contemporary Republican Party stands for.
  - Bobseeks
    
    daves: Sounds like you are describing the facists of the democrat party rather than the GOP to me; and you are the most sanctimonious poster to this website with your constant misuse of Scripture.
    - daves
      
      Bob – I hope someday you will understand the true love that Jesus has brought us.
      - Bobseeks
        
        I do daves, it means that I even have to love those such as yourself who serve satan. That does NOT mean that I have to like you or love your lies.
      - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
        
        We have seen how your god expresses his love to mankind through such loving gestures as the flood, allowing bears to kill children and fiery destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. I am sure your versions of love would be similar. Please keep them to yourself, bobbiesocks.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        Talk to your Daddy about it Dixon if he still talks to you about that in light of your stupidity and demonization.
      - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
        
        My dad and I talk daily, Humpty on a range of topics that would only confuse you. Crawl back into your bottle. You are much more comfortable there.
- Rev. Li
  
  While the chalise does have lots to do with Christ and last supper I do agree with their aiding and abedding the downfall of America by supporting the demo party who is definitely against all that is of GOD.
guest

This bar is so obviously mocking things of Jesus.
Good on the Catholics for calling them out.
It is a lie that 'Catholics' are responsible for the Dem party. Every Dem I know is of a Protestant lean. Don't know one single Catholic who is a democrat.
- Bobseeks
  
  Liar.
- Ken
  
  You obviously don't live here in Massachusetts…
  - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
    
    :)
- http://twitter.com/lambsev11 @lambsev11
  
  Do the faithful expect less from unbelievers? I think more is on the way.
  John 15:18-25
  Luke 6:26
  Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
- Rev. Li
  
  I know a lot. 89% of my demo friends are catholics for sure and proud of that fact. I think you just have to know them.
  They are out there friend.
V for vengence

maybe i should open a bar that makes fun of liberals and democrats and see how fast they come after me on that !
- Ken
  
  bet you'd get an even faster reaction if you opened "Crazy Mohammed's Bar & Grill"
- Bobseeks
  
  You would have an army of professional protesters out in front of your bar in a heartbeat!
  - PNP
    
    It would take that long?
http://twitter.com/lambsev11 @lambsev11

Do the faithful expect less from unbelievers? I think more is on the way.
John 15:18-25
Luke 6:26
Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets.
- Bobseeks
  
  satansev11: The quote from Luke seems a little hypocritical considering that on another article you stand with the false teachers and blasphemers.
William L McCaughey

It is a tragic consequence of years of desensitizing of the Catholic sense of the sacred that cradle Catholics can see nothing wrong with using sacred liturgical objects for profane purposes. Back in the 50s while attending Catholic grade school, my 5th grade class was shown a chalice that our teacher (a nun) had made at her convent (nuns did those things then). Under no circumstances were we to touch the inside of the chalice which would hold the precious blood of the Saviour. We passed that chalice along with trembling hands. And now, we use chalices as common drinking cups in a bar!! How times have changed! Musims, Jews and Eastern Orthodox Christians probably have more reverence for their sacred vessels than do post-Vatican II Roman Catholics!
- Bobseeks
  
  There is nothing sacred about a cup and the cup never held the blood of Christ; that is another papist lie.
  - William L McCaughey
    
    Read your bible concerning the Last Supper and what Our Lord said about what He was giving His apostles. I believe that He told them that it was His blood and His body that was being given them under the physical appearances of wine and bread. If Christ had meant that the terms "blood" and "body" were merely allegorical, He would have said so! Christ was not known for telling lies as He was God incarnate. Incidentally, the Catholic Church was in existence long before any Protestant sect ever saw the light of day! Ex-priest Martin Luther protested in 1517! He did not exist in AD 30!
    - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
      
      "He would have said so! "
      
      He did in words that DO QUALIFY everything that Rome misrepresents and abuses. Here are these words from the very same chapter and very same context and very same situation:
      
      "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; THE WORDS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE."
      ~ John 6:63
      
      Can you disassociate this qualification from so abused words from FEW verses earlier? Maybe but at what cost?
      - William L McCaughey
        
        I don't know what Bible you are quoting from. John 6:63 states, "If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?" However, John 6:54-60 states:
        Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.
        He that eateth my flesh and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.
        For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed.
        He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.
        As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.
        This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.
        These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.
        
        Case closed!
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        No the case in not closed. Not at all. Maybe for you and if you choose to have closed mind too.
        You intentionally misreferencing the Bible Sir. What you have quoted is John 6:62 and not John 6:63 referenced by me. Even if I would provide a wrong reference which did not surely you would see the verse quoted by me for it is RIGHT AFTER THE ONE you quoted i.e. John 6:62. Therefore not only you are not willing to see the argument made. Not only you are not willing to deal with it in honesty and integrity but on the top of that you intentionally lie and misrepresent the other side… Truly nefarious tactic and behavior.
        
        Let me pont again to what you intentionally lie about. Yes lie for there is no way you could not see John 6:63 while forcing on me your manipulation with John 6:62
        
        NASB© John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.
        ESV© John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is of no avail. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
        NKJV© John 6:63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
        KJV© John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth ; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
        NET© John 6:63 The Spirit is the one who gives life; human nature is of no help! The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life
        
        Yes those words are after John 6:54-60 so much abused by Roman Catholicism for the sake of Roman Catholic religious treadmill and those word QUALIFY them as IN SPIRITUAL SENSE what you Romanists made a tangible, physical "grace dispensing sacrament" and now you have to lie about… SAD.
        
        "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; THE WORDS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE."
        ~ John 6:63
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        "I don't know what Bible you are quoting from. John 6:63 states, "If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?" However,"
        
        A LIE…
        
        The truth:
        
        "52 Then the Jews began to argue with one another, saying, “How can this man give us His flesh to eat?” 53 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in yourselves. 54 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day. 55 For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down out of heaven; not as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live forever. 59 These things He said in the synagogue as He taught in Capernaum. 60 Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this said, “This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, conscious that His disciples grumbled at this, said to them, “Does this cause you to stumble? 62 What then if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; THE WORDS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE.. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who it was that would betray Him. 65 And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
        
        ~ Gospel of John 6:52-65 NASB
        
        Pretty sad thing to lie for "Roman Catholic truth"… Is it not William?
      - Hurricane
        
        Hi Despeville,
        
        Throughout John 6:23-53, the Greek text uses the word "phago" nine times. "Phago" literally means "to eat" or "physically consume." The disciples take issue with Jesus' literal usage of "eat."
        
        So what does Jesus do? He uses an even more literal verb, translated as "trogo," (John 6:54-58) which means to gnaw or chew or crunch. He increases the literalness and drives his message home. Jesus will literally give us His flesh and blood to eat
        
        The word "phago" is used here too (Matt. 24:38; John 13:18), and it means to literally gnaw or chew meat. "Phago" is never used metaphorically in Greek. THERE IS NT ONE VERSE in Scripture where "phago" is used symbolically, and yet this must be your argument if you are going to deny the Catholic understanding of Jesus' words.
        
        Jesus says "For My Flesh is food indeed, and My Blood is drink indeed." (John 6:55) This phrase can only be understood as being responsive to those who do not believe that Jesus' flesh is food indeed, and His blood is drink indeed. Further, Jesus uses the word which is translated as "sarx." "Sarx" means flesh (not "soma" which means body). The phrases "real" food and "real" drink use the word "alethes." "Alethes" means "really" or "truly," and would only be used if there were doubts concerning the reality of Jesus' flesh and blood as being food and drink. Thus, Jesus is emphasizing the miracle of His body and blood being actual food and drink
        
        John 1:13,14; 3:6; 8:15; 17:2; Matt. 16:17; 19:5; 24:22; 26:41; Mark 10:8; 13:20; 14:38; Luke 3:6; 24:39
        These are other examples in Scripture where "sarx" means flesh. It is ALWAYS literal.
        
        John 1:29
        Jesus is the "lamb of God"
        
        Ex 12: 8,46
        The Paschal Lamb must be eaten.
        
        1 Cor 5:7
        Jesus is the Paschal Lamb who has been sacrificed.
        
        1 Cor 10:16 11:23-29
        Eating the Eucharist unworthily is to be guilty of his body and blood.
        
        The Eucharist is the sacramental presence of Christ our God, present whole and entire in His flesh and blood, His soul and divinity, i.e. the whole Risen Christ mysteriously present to us in the appearances of bread and wine."
        
        Peace be with you and with your spirit.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        @Hurricane,
        
        I appreciate the response. Especially the Greek morphology points. Yet something ominous is here…This is what it is: You write much about the words you want to emphasize but NOT A WORD about the argument I made from the VERY CONTEXT which you misrepresent by ignoring the closing and summarizing statement by the Lord. You simply IGNORE the FINAL words of Jesus that DO qualify mentioned eating of flesh – ἀληθης βρωσις and drinking – ἀληθης ποσις fromjust few verses prior in the SAME CONTEXT and presented as a SUMMARY of everything that was said prior and as a SPIRITUAL TRUTH that explains it… Lle me show you again what you run from and hide from for the sake of the traditions that have been implanted in you and by taking dive into Greek morphology only…
        
        Verse 60 is clearly a connection to the context of John 6:48 – 56 and introduction to the final discussion of what Jesus said about drinking and eating in that context. For the Disciples ask: "…“This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?…"
        
        "Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this said, “This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?” 61 But Jesus, conscious that His disciples grumbled at this, said to them, “Does this cause you to stumble? 62 What then if you see the Son of Man ascending to where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; THE WORDS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND ARE LIFE."
        
        ~ Gospel of John 6:60-63
        
        Yes, THE WORDS that Jesus SPOKE are the Spirit and LIFE and not any physical and tangible eating ritual only that Rome invented along with even later invented fictional sacrificial mass. I do recognize a specialty of Lord's supper but in light of His words that do explain which you dismiss all together and do not address at all. Something that I will not do with your asserted morphology. Furthermore, Jesus does the SAME before he talks about (ἀληθης βρωσις [alēthēs brōsis]) – true meat and (ἀληθης ποσις [alēthēs posis]) true drink. He JUXTAPOSES physical eating as availing NOTHING versus SPIRITUAL eating as PROVIDING EVERYTHING in John 6:49-50. WATCH:
        
        "Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is the bread which comes down out of heaven, so that one may eat of it and not die. "
        
        TBC.
      - http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville
        
        @Hurricane,
        
        PART 2
        
        On to your Greek morphology arguments:
        
        " Eateth (τρώγων). Another verb for eating is used. With the exception of Matt. 24:38, it is found only in John, and always in connection with Christ. No special significance can be fairly attached to its use here. It seems to be taken as a current word, and ἔφαγον is resumed in ver. 58."
        
        Vincent, Marvin Richardson: Word Studies in the New Testament. Bellingham, WA : Logos Research Systems, Inc., 2002, S. 2:153
        
        A far as the change from éphagon in 6:52-53 to trṓgō in 6:54, 56 it is probably more than merely grammatical alteration but used for driving the point to the audience but still none of that can remove and change Lord's OWN EXPLANATION of what he meant by it contained just few verses later in verse 63 and in answer to plain question and puzzlement of disciples expressed in verse 60. THE VERY SAME QUESTION WE TRY TO DISCUSS HERE…
        He answers and explains this change from éphagon in 6:52-53 to trṓgō in 6:54 and the point it was designed to make as: "…THE WORDS THAT I HAVE SPOKEN TO YOU ARE SPIRIT AND LIFE." in clear cut response to disciples being puzzled by what was just said as expressed in: "…“This is a difficult statement; who can listen to it?…"
        
        As far as flesh – σάρξ (sarx), it has many different meanings beyond what you imply by: "These are other examples in Scripture where "sarx" means flesh. It is ALWAYS literal." . Proof:
        
        4922 σάρξ (sarx), σαρκός (sarkos), ἡ (hē): n.fem.; ≡ DBLHebr 1414; Str 4561; TDNT 7.98—1. LN 8.63 flesh, corporeal mass of human and animal (Rev 19:18; Eph 5:30 v.r.); 2. LN 8.4 physical body (1Ti 3:16); 3. LN 9.11 people, a physical human being (Jn 1:14; 1Pe 1:24); 4. LN 9.12 human, physical nature (Heb 12:9); 5. LN 10.1 nation, ethnic group (Ro 11:14); 6. LN 26.7 human nature, the psychological human nature (1Co 1:26; Gal 5:19; 6:8); 7. LN 58.10 physical nature, as a result of its natural development (Gal 4:23); 8. LN 23.90 physical life (Heb 5:7); 9. LN 9.14 σὰρξ καὶ αἷμα (sarx kai haima), human being (Mt 16:17; Gal 1:16); 10. LN 9.15 κοινωνέω αἵματος καὶ σαρκός (koinōneō haimatos kai sarkos), be a person (Heb 2:14+); 11. LN 88.279 have homosexual intercourse (Jude 7+), see 599; 12. LN 22.20 trouble (2Co 12:7+), see 5022; 13. LN 25.29 sexual desire (Jn 1:13+), see 2525
        Swanson, James: Dictionary of Biblical Languages With Semantic Domains : Greek (New Testament). electronic ed. Oak Harbor : Logos Research Systems, Inc., 1997, S. DBLG 4922, #13
        
        As far as John 6:55 and ἀληθης (ἀληθης βρωσις [alēthēs brōsis]) – true meat and (ἀληθης ποσις [alēthēs posis]) true drink. Again the single word that is used to drive the point cannot possible ovveride a sentence in closing of the teaching by Jesus and uttered in reponse to complete puzzelment by the disciples. A verbal component of the teaching IS NOT GREATER that its summary in sentence. Can you grasp this logical and reasonable tuth?
        
        CAN YOU REMOVE ANY OF THAT? CAN ANY FURTHER EXEGETICAL and MORPHOLOGICAL ANALYSIS CHANGE AND REMOVE QUALIFYING AND EXPLAINING WORDS OF JESUS IN JOHN 6:63?
        
        Nope it cannot and I am prepare to dive deeper into Greek morphology of this passage with you and I already started that on a synopsis level but no matter how deep we go NONE of that will remove Jesus' own qualification from verse 63 that you very tellingly ignore and are completely silent about… Is it not interesting that one side is ready and prepared to discuss your arguments and provide counter arguments while the other side completely ignores textual and contextual argument made preferring and diving into another one and of Greek morphology only? Are you ok with that and can live with that? Really? Why are you then believing the text when you are clearly avoiding and ignoring very important parts of the text???? Why?
        
        Lastly, have you observed how your fellow Roman Catholic intentionally lied about John 6:63 forcing John 6:62 into it instead? Do not tell me he did not see John 6:63 while copying and pasting John 6:62 instead and pushing it on me as a lie… Does that bother you at all when your fellow religious twist and abuse the Word of God like that???
        
        May Triune God lead you to His truth about His Son through His Spirit…
petroskhan1262

Oh, seriously, what's the big deal? We KNOW there are those who are hopelessly lost, and will never see the truth. You want to get all worked up over each and every one of them?

Don't like the bar? Don't go there. There are many, many more productive uses for one's time than complaining about the alcoholics' equivalent of a brothel. Don't see too many catholic organizations out in Nevada complaining about the numerous whorehouses, trying to shut them down.

Let those who choose to be lost be lost. It's up to the Lord to save whom He will. All this protesting and complaining will accomplish nothing in the long run anyway.