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Why Is Christianity on the Decline in America?

I had the pleasure of reading the manuscript of Ross Douthat's new book Bad Religion: How We Became a Nation of Heretics (The Free Press, 2012), slated to be released on April 17. I am going to honor the publisher's request that I not quote or review the book until it is published because it is still being edited. Nevertheless, I want to interact with Ross's basic ideas because I think they are provocative and because this is essential reading for all Christians seeking to understand Christianity's relationship to culture in the U.S.

Everyone agrees that our culture has become far more secular and hostile to Christian faith over the past two generations, but what are the factors causing that change? Many in the evangelical and Reformed world see the decline starting in the early 20th century when most of the mainline denominations and their affiliated academic institutions and foundations fell into the hands of theological modernists and liberals. But it can't be as simple as that.

In his first chapter Douthat looks at four figures—Reinhold Niebuhr for powerful mainline Protestantism, Billy Graham for rising Evangelicalism, Fulton Sheen for popularly engaged Catholicism, and Martin Luther King, Jr. for the prophetic African-American Church of the Civil Rights era—who at mid-20th century showed the cultural and institutional strength of nearly all branches of Christianity. But by the beginning of the 21st century all four branches of Christianity are fragmented, declining, and in disarray, while the number of Americans who say they have no religious affiliation or even belief in God steadily climbs. Robert Putnam, in American Grace, nuances this a bit when he argues that the mainline church began declining first, in the late 1960s and 1970s, while the Evangelical church began doing so by the 1990s. Catholics have been battered with a different set of problems and so has the African-American church, but they are also definitely losing influence and people.

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  • John W Haag

    ~Perversion of the Gospel
    Galatians 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

    • Dee

      I totally agree and so does this ministry: http://www.lamblion.com/articles/articles_cults5….

      Pray Christians will increase in knowledge of the Word of God, the Holy Bible. http://bibledatabase.net/html/kjv/index.html

      • bighoss

        WARNING! That ministry you cited has some good stuff but is thoroughly contaminated with a bunch of premillennialist, "end times" claptrap–standard fairy tales of rapture, tribulation, antichrist, etc.–the full Darbyite-Scofieldian mythology!

  • TOM

    THINK ITS GOING THE OTHER WAY.OBAMA HAS THE PUT THE FEAR OF THE DEVIL IN US

    • P B

      Maybe it would have to do with us having the Devil in the W H!!!! You see he has cancelled the day of prayer that has been observed by every sitting Potus in history. He doesn't believe in God, sure because the devil believes he is the god, he is GOTS, CRAP, AND IDIOT. There is only one God and it is not him.

      • bighoss

        Obama did NOT cancel any National Day of Prayer. That is a lying and utterly false rumor that has been going around since at least 2010 and it has been thoroughly disproved.

        It is dithering incompetents like YOU who keep this kind of gross misinformation going and you do this because you seem never to fact-check anything, but choose instead to propagate your prejudice against the President by repeating this LIE and other lies on forums and by forwarding viral internet misinformation to those of your silly ilk who then forward them again to the coterie of dunderheads with whom they associate.

        The Jesus you profess to embrace said, "Ye shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free." Why don't you embrace that principle instead of allowing yourself to be come a facile tool for the propagation of LIES?

        http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/2010/04/15/nation

  • Chris

    It's because more people see that it is all a money making fraud. Every year there are more religions.

    • guest

      Smoke a JOINT. X-GENERATION""!

  • Evermyrtle

    There was a time when America's Christians would have stood up for what is right. We would not have worried about what anybody else thought, but put our faith in what GOD expected out of HIS people. There has been such a terrible trend of self worth and "What will people think?" We have become weak in our faith, we have become lukewarm in our love for "THE MASTER", Our "Love for GOD has suffered a great down fall, HAS BECOME LUKE WARM.

    Read the entire chapter of Matt 24. but I have these two verses:
    Matt. 24:12-13
    12. And because of iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    13. But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved

    Rev. 3;15 I know thy works, that you are neither cold nor hot: I would that your were cold or hot. Of course HE was speaking to the church of Philadelphia but this description matches our Church of today.

  • vip57

    This is also a Happy moment for the Elect, However it might not be so happy for others. A Prophecy is being fulfilled…The Lord said that he would not return until there be a Great Falling away from the Faith, and it looks to me like that is starting Right Now.

    • daves

      Started a thousand years ago and will continue for another million years.

      • vip57

        You Wish. This is the Only time in History when all the Prophecies Can and Will Happen. Only Fools say there is no God

        • daves

          That is what every generation has said since Jesus lived.

          Show me a text that supports the claim that the church will be raptured before a future Great Tribulation.
          Show me a text that puts a gap of indefinite time between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel’s prophecy (9:24–27) and between Revelation 3 and 4.
          Show me a New Testament text that clearly shows that Israel becoming a nation again is the timing key for the fulfillment of Bible prophecy.
          Show me how Jesus’ use of “this generation” in the Olivet Discourse (Matt. 24:34; Mark 13:30; Luke 21:32) means something different from the way “this generation” is used by Jesus in every other instance.

          • Evermyrtle

            That is true Daves, they have believed that time and time, again. This time, we know that many world events that have to occur before the return of JESUS CHRIST. This is the first time in all history that every listed event has occured except one or two of them, I believe. One, we will have to have one more Pope. This is 83 years old I believe and plans to retire in a couple of years.

          • vip57

            Let me ask you something. When did I ever say anything about a Rapture where every christian would Miss the Tribulation. Those words never came out of my mouth, so unless you want to Quote me, don't Judge me.

          • vip57

            I DO NOT Believe in a PRE Tribulation Rapture. I believe in what came out of Jesus own mouth when he taught his deciples about the end times.

          • Evermyrtle

            The "word rapture" is not in the Bible but the description is in there. I believe in it 100%. BUT everybody has a right to believe what they HIS WORD is saying, after studying it. Don' worry about Jeff. He gives himself the right to tell all the rest of us what we should believe.

          • vip57

            I have read the Bible many times, and every time I read Jesus own words, I have to Pause and think about what he is saying, and in the First 3 books of the New Testament, he tells a different story then what your saying, so i choose to Believe Jesus over your limited vision and understanding of Jesus word.

          • vip57

            I think Jesus said it best when he commanded his people to " Study to Show Yourself Approved" You learn what that means, and you have learned the nature of God himself.

          • bighoss

            You and all the other Premills need to get hold of a copy of "The End Time" by Russell Boatman and read the chapter entitled "The Rupture of the Theory of the Rapture.".

          • barney

            Amen! What does the future hold for us living today?

          • vip57

            Best to have at least 8 months of supplies stored up for the Darkness that is coming. But you might also wait to see this country be taken out of the way so the World can Attack Israel.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          For 2,000 years, people have been predicting the return of Jesus. For 2,000 years, they have been wrong. Here is a list of failed prophecies that I could locate.

          About 30 CE: The Christian Scriptures (New Testament), when interpreted literally, appear to record many predictions by Yeshua of Nazareth (Jesus Christ) that God’s Kingdom would arrive within a very short period, or was actually in the process of arriving. For example, Jesus is recorded as saying in Matthew 16:28: “…there shall be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.” In Matthew 24:34, Yeshua is recorded as saying: “…This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.” Since the life expectancy in those days was little over 30 years, Jesus appears to have predicted his second coming sometime during the 1st century CE. It didn’t happen.

          About 60 CE: Interpreting the Epistles of Paul of Tarsus literally, his writings seem to imply that Jesus would return and usher in a rapture during the lifetime of people who were living in the middle of the 1st century.

          About 90 CE: Saint Clement 1 predicted that the world end would occur at any moment.

          2nd Century CE: Prophets and Prophetesses of the Montanist movement predicted that Jesus would return sometime during their lifetime and establish the New Jerusalem in the city of Pepuza in Asia Minor.

          365 CE: A man by the name of Hilary of Poitiers, announced that the end would happen that year. It didn’t.

          375 to 400 CE: Saint Martin of Tours, a student of Hilary, was convinced that the end would happen sometime before 400 CE.

          500 CE: This was the first year-with-a-nice-round-number-panic. The antipope Hippolytus and an earlier Christian academic Sextus Julius Africanus had predicted Armageddon at about this year.

          968 CE: An eclipse was interpreted as a prelude to the end of the world by the army of the German emperor Otto III.

          992: Good Friday coincided with the Feast of the Annunciation; this had long been believed to be the event that would bring forth the Antichrist, and thus the end-times events foretold in the book of Revelation. Records from Germany report that a new sun rose in the north and that as many as 3 suns and 3 moons were fighting. There does not appear to be independent verification of this remarkable event.

          1000-JAN-1: Many Christians in Europe had predicted the end of the world on this date. As the date approached, Christian armies waged war against some of the Pagan countries in Northern Europe. The motivation was to convert them all to Christianity, by force if necessary, before Christ returned in the year 1000. Meanwhile, some Christians had given their possessions to the Church in anticipation of the end. Fortunately, the level of education was so low that many citizens were unaware of the year. They did not know enough to be afraid. Otherwise, the panic might have been far worse than it was. Unfortunately, when Jesus did not appear, the church did not return the gifts. Serious criticism of the Church followed. The Church reacted by exterminating some heretics. Agitation settled down quickly, as it later did in the year 2000.

          1000-MAY: The body of Charlemagne was disinterred on Pentecost. A legend had arisen that an emperor would rise from his sleep to fight the Antichrist.

          1005-1006: A terrible famine throughout Europe was seen as a sign of the nearness of the end.

          1033: Some believed this to be the 1000th anniversary of the death and resurrection of Jesus. His second coming was anticipated. Jesus’ actual date of execution is unknown, but is believed to be in the range of 27 to 33 CE.

          1147: Gerard of Poehlde decided that the millennium had actually started in 306 CE during Constantine’s reign. Thus, the world end was expected in 1306 CE.

          1179: John of Toledo predicted the end of the world during 1186. This estimate was based on the alignment of many planets.

          1205: Joachim of Fiore predicted in 1190 that the Antichrist was already in the world, and that King Richard of England would defeat him. The Millennium would then begin, sometime before 1205.

          1284: Pope Innocent III computed this date by adding 666 years onto the date the Islam was founded.

          1346 and later: The black plague spread across Europe, killing one third of the population. This was seen as the prelude to an immediate end of the world. Unfortunately, the Christians had previously killed a many of the cats, fearing that they might be familiars of Witches. The fewer the cats, the more the rats. It was the rat fleas that spread the black plague.

          1496: This was approximately 1500 years after the birth of Jesus. Some mystics in the 15th century predicted that the millennium would begin during this year.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            1524: Many astrologers predicted the imminent end of the world due to a world wide flood. They obviously had not read the Genesis story of the rainbow.

            1533: Melchior Hoffman predicted that Jesus’ return would happen a millennium and a half after the nominal date of his execution, in 1533. The New Jerusalem was expected to be established in Strasbourg, Germany. He was arrested and died in a Strasbourg jail.

            1669: The Old Believers in Russia believed that the end of the world would occur in this year. 20 thousand burned themselves to death between 1669 and 1690 to protect themselves from the Antichrist.

            1689: Benjamin Keach, a 17th century Baptist, predicted the end of the world for this year.

            1736: British theologian and mathematician William Whitson predicted a great flood similar to Noah’s for OCT-13 of this year.

            1792: This was the date of the end of the world calculated by some believers in the Shaker movement.

            1794: Charles Wesley, one of the founders of Methodism, thought Doomsday would be in this year.

            1830: Margaret McDonald, a Christian prophetess, predicted that Robert Owen would be the Antichrist. Owen helped found New Harmony, IN.

            1832?: Joseph Smith (1805-1844) was the founder of the Church of Christ, which became the Restorationist movement after many schisms. It now includes The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints — a.k.a. the Mormons, and about a hundred other denominations and sects. He heard a voice while praying. He wrote, in Doctrines and Covenants section 130:

            14: “I was once praying very earnestly to know the time of the coming of the Son of Man, when I heard a voice repeat the following:”

            15: “Joseph, my son, if thou livest until thou art eighty-five years old, thou shalt see the face of the Son of Man; therefore let this suffice, and trouble me no more on this matter.”

            16: “I was left thus, without being able to decide whether this coming referred to the beginning of the millennium or to some previous appearing, or whether I should die and thus see his face.”

            17: “I believe the coming of the Son of Man will not be any sooner than that time.” 14

            The year in which this event occurred is not recorded. However, one commentator suggested 1832 or earlier. 16 Smith is later recorded as having said:

            “I prophesy in the name of the Lord God, and let it be written–the Son of Man will not come in the clouds of heaven till I am eighty-five years old.” 17

            Smith would have reached the age of 85 during 1890. Unfortunately, by that year, Smith had been dead for almost a half century, having been assassinated by a mob. Note that his prophecy is ambiguous. It can be interpreted that:

            Jesus would return during 1890 (which did not materialize) or that

            1890 would pass without Jesus’ return (which did come to pass).

            Some anti-Mormon sources quote only verses 14 and 15, and draw the former conclusion — that Smith’s prophecy failed.

            William Miller, founder of the Seventh-Day Adventist movement and Charles Taze Russell, the granddaddy of the Jehovah’s Witnesses!

            “The Adventist movement traces it roots back to William Miller a Baptist lay preacher who in 1816 began preaching Christ would return in 1843. His preaching attracted many from Baptist and mainline churches, close to 50,000 put their trust in Miller’s timing of prophetic events. When in March 1843 the Lord did not appear, the date was recalculated to March 1844 and then to October 1844. Miller and the Millerites were disappointed and a shattered people.”

            Russell and the JWs have confidently predicted the end of all things a couple of times and they flopped as badly as Miller, but still have a large following of sheep.

            Since late 2007, there had been a worldwide movement of people who believe that the Rapture will take place on May 21, 2011 and that the end of the world as we know it will take place five months later on October 21, 2011. These predictions were made by Harold Camping, president of the Family Radio Christian network, who claimed the Bible as his source. He was obviously wrong as well.

            Myths cannot return for they do not actually exist

          • Mark

            What happened in A.D. 70? Didn't covenental Judaism cease to exist that year? Were any listeners that Jesus was addressing still alive in A.D. 70? Did Jesus's prophecy come true about the destruction of the Jewish temple? Or, is it still standing? Hebrews 8:13 says "that which is aging, decaying and is obsolete, will soon disappear". If you look at the context 20 verses prior and 20 verses post, you will clearly see that it is talking about the old Mosaic covenant which Christ abolished through His atonement. So, in purview, it can forcefully be stated that Christ did come in His Kingdom by destroying the old covenant, He used a human agent to do it, just like He always has, God used the Babylonians, Medo Persians, Greeks and Romans to accomplish His will. Do you think He uses the fairy godmother to get things done? No, He uses natural instruments to accomplish His will.

  • guest

    COMMENT: The ACLU And It's Jewish Support (Hollywood, The TV MEDIA, NEWSPAPERS, LEFTIST'S) Has Gone After School Prayer,Nativity Scenes,Pushed For So Called "HATE CRIME" Laws, Accused Christians Of Anti-Homo-Sexuality,Homo Sexuality Marriage, Affirmative Action, Defended illegal Aliens,Supported Amnesty, And Called All Who Disagree……………..Racists,Xenofobes,Natevist's Etc. They Support The NEW WORLD ORDER Of George Soros. Pat Buchanan Has Written a Great Book about The Destruction Of America, The Christian Nation. I Suggest Strongly…..Read…………….."The Death Of The West" It Shows How The LEFT Has Pushed The Anti Christian Destruction Of America. Which I Believe……Is Mostly By JEWISH Influence In America's CHRISTIAN History.

  • Robert De Leon

    The eternal question is: Is it better quality than quantity?
    What we have to recognize is that nowadays the world is submerged in the "Culture of Relativism" as our dear Pope Benedict XVI said it.
    Robert.

  • Jane C.

    I think it's because church has become a business, competing for dollars, government grants, etc. I call it the Corporatocracy. In big churches you see the "pastors" climbing the corporate ladder, just like in a business in the secular world. And, they actually think God gave them this authority. Hahaha!!!

  • http://www.dds-sd.com Ed Galicki

    The reason God picked Abram (Abraham) is because He know Abraham would teach his children (about the Eternal). One of the possible reasons for this decline is because parents have not taught their children. Part of this problem is parents don't know enough truth to teach them. They are depending on pastors and priests to teach both them and their children. They are not instructed to do this. They are instructed (by God in the scriptures) to STUDY. They obviously are not doing that. Even more significant, the pastors and priests they are depending on are not studying either. They all seem to be repeating what others have said, and much of it is not accurate; and much of the truth that manages to get through is so poorly extracted and described it can't do the job as well as it was designed to do.

    2 Corinthians 1
    13For we writeG1125 noneG3756 otherG243 things unto you, thanG2228 whatG3739 ye readG314 orG2228 acknowledgeG1921; and I trustG1679 ye shall acknowledgeG1921 evenG2532 to the endG5056;
    Message
    13Don’t try to read between the lines or look for hidden meanings in this letter. We’re writing plain, unembellished truth,

    This is not referring to the King James, NAS, NIV, Amplified, Living, Rotterhams, Jerusalem, or any other version. This is referring to what He wrote – and if you try just a little you can find that and see the difference. And it is a big difference.

    Mr. Schreoder quotes the Talmud that 'paraphrased' says translating the Hebrew scriptures into any other language is like a lion in a cage, and equates that translating to the destruction of Solomon's Temple.

    Everything is available, where is the effort to find it?

  • Paul Trombley

    I think that the answer can be boiled down to just a few reasons, only two of which I'll mention. First, it has been harmful, and this demonstrably so. This I learned through experiences with my own relatives, all of them Christians, and by other means. For example, John Galt, whatever his flaws, was correct to condemn the doctrine of original sin as a mockery of justice. Another example is the Christian habit of shifting some of the blame for mistakes onto an imaginary hobgoblin called Satan, the Devil, etc. One usually hears the blame shifted by claiming that Satan tempted the perp.

    Second, it's palpably false. Even a small child can be alert enough to ask a difficult question such as 'but what about all the people who died after the ascension but who never came into contact with Christianity?'. What the small child may lack, however, is the imagination or knowledge to ask 'if the Logos loves its souls so much, then why did not the Logos put all souls after Adam's and Eve's in a different universe into which sin had not yet entered?'. The Christian rejoinder to this question is usually something evasive or self-serving such as "God is not to be mocked in his creation". Yes, that's a direct quote. In fact, I heard it from a Catholic in Chicago this winter.

    Now, if the god did put later souls into a different universe, did it obtain the same results as alleged in this one? Did it repeat the procedure in billions of universes and get like results in most cases? If so, then perhaps it's time to suspect that the product's design or manufacturing is defective, to look for evidence of such defects, and then to trace the cause(s) of the defect(s), if found, back to the manufacturer, just as one would do in commerce.

  • Victor Barney

    It's actually quite simple to explain. Women & blacks make-up over 70% of our population and THEY ALONE VOTED FOR OBAMA'S PROMISED "FUNDAMENTAL TRANSFORMATION OF GOVERNMENT" INTO MARXISM! DID I MENTION THAT BOTH ARE GATHERER'S AND LOVE TO BE GIVEN THINGS BY OTHERS. FOR WOMEN IT'S BIOLOGY, FOR BLACKS, WHO NEAR 100% it's??? Just saying…

  • aceituna

    Many times in the past people have trended away from God and God has raised up leaders to bring them back. It does seem though that things are trending definitely worse in the present generation than in the past and that we are nearing end times. Jesus said "this day will come as a thief in the night". Not even the angels know when it will come. We trust God and can expect this day anytime. The unbelievers will be caught completely unaware. Some may wake up and repent, but only then will many believe, but it will be too late for them to receive salvation.

    • msjallen

      You are absolutely right, aceituna. It may be many more years before the Lord returns. Our mandates from God are to…
      II Peter 3:8… but grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be the glory, both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
      Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD," Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind and makes flesh his strength, and whose heart turns away from the LORD
      Even though we look forward to His coming in great anticipation, we need to continue to learn His Word and apply it to our lives on a daily basis to glorify our Lord Jesus Christ.

  • rocketman

    The 60's. I am now in my 60's raised Catholic, but in my young thirties began church again in a non-denominational. The Catholic church when I was a kid was dead, no life, no inspiration only tradition. There is a God, but when you are raised in dysfunctional families, which most of us were, and later become aware that you are screwed up, God can come in a make a big difference, but one still has to work through all the garbage that you use to think was normal. You can not show your children the true Christ when you are messed up. That is my reason why my own children do not attend church. One of the above posts said, "we need to know Gods' word" and that is true, but knowing it and putting it into practice is another reason many do not see Christ. We need to keep petitioning God to live our lives rightly and let Him perfect us.

  • David in MA

    Is Christianity really in decline or are the islamic muslims just speaking with a louder voice?

    • aceituna

      Some of both!

  • http://twitter.com/lambsev11 @lambsev11

    Preaching the Gospel would be more helpful than writing books about Bad Religion. The problem is that so few are committed to truth. Truth is Jesus and what He says is TRUE.

    2Timothy 2:15 Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth. (NLT)

    • msjallen

      Right, lambsev11, too many ministers are not teaching the Word of God as they should and their congregations are not being fed so they can grow spiritually. There is too much entertainment and feel good sermons that do nothing to help people use His Word on a daily basis.
      Roman 12:2 And do not be conformed to this world (human viewpoint), but be transformed by the renewing (renovation) of your mind, so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect.

  • Blond1

    Christianity is alive and well, but it isn't apparent in the churches. Many Christians who believe the Bible and live by faith have been so turned off by the lukewarm, soggy Christianity they see in "established" churches, that they have simply dropped out of them, preferring private Bible studies and personal worship time to attending churches that aren't following the Lord, but are following a lukewarm pastor instead. There are lots of opportunities to serve, worship, and fellowship, and they are not all in a traditional "church" setting.

    • Evermyrtle

      You are absolutely correct. there are some churches that are a shame to the "GLORY OF GOD."It is So sad that so many of them are in a power struggle to see who will get the top jobs. A wonderful dream to work for our SAVIOR but but don't be ready to walk on others to get the job. Be ready to share the work and 'THE GLORY!"

  • Grant

    Nothing new under the sun…even in the Roman's era they had these problem(s). Remember Nero, King Herod etc.
    Self vs. Idols and Idols vs. self is the issues.Mememeem and more of ME!

  • barnabas41

    There are many answers to this question; but the biggest is that American Christianity got off on the wrong foot to begin with. The two links below include two articles I wrote on my blogs that explains in detail, just in case you REALLY want to know why American Christianity has failed.
    http://ourdailybreadbyjoeortiz.blogspot.com/2010/
    http://ourdailybreadbyjoeortiz.blogspot.com/2009/

    • vip57

      Very well written. I know that is Scriptural, I have read it many times

    • bighoss

      I started to look at the video in the first link you provided, but when I saw that it had been produced by some marginally-literate incompetent who does not distinguish between the contraction "you're" and the possessive pronoun, "your", I left the site forthwith. Good grief! What has produced such a state of disdain for the Mother Tongue in this nation that we now have such a large complement of dullards who can not sensibly apply simple pronouns? A-A-a_a_R-R-r-r-GH!

  • Dennis

    Its very simple.Most have turned from YHWH and want to have there ears tickled instead.They love the lie and hate the truth.As long as we do as we want instead of what YHWH commands its only going to get worse.Starting with the huge deception of who are his chosen peculiar people.

  • Kalev

    Modern Protestant Christianity has far too many pagan based traditions, it is not "the faith once delivered".

    • Deep_Thinker

      Modern protestants actually believe the Pope is the Anti-Christ..

      • bighoss

        Heck, they should know that "The Antichrist" is Prince Philip–No, Barack Obama–Oh, wait, it's Oprah Winfrey–or maybe
        Stephen Spielberg. What the heck, let's have an Antichrist lottery; we just put up all the names of all the candidates (all 54,762 since the nutjobs started naming them) and the winners split the pot!

        • http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville

          Ask dispensational lottery player and avid anti Christ hunter "pastor" Dwayne aka the earthquake maker. He has the hole list of dispensational anti Christ bets but all of them so far has been losers…

      • bighoss

        Go HERE to find the real Antichrist!
        http://tnvalleytalks.hoop.la/displayForumTopic/co

        • http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville

          :) Although not high on a betting list of wacko offspring of Derby/Scofield catastrophic tandem of Bible twisters and hallucinating maniacs I will go with Benny as a sure and with longstanding traditions servant of the spirit of Antichrist only. Here he is: http://bit.ly/9CUjF9

  • Deep_Thinker

    It's amazing how ignorant Christians are about Jews. They are no more blessed or special than anyone else. They were used to fulfill god's plan as a covenant in the Old Testament in which Jesus would be born of them. As Jesus said there is no longer Jew nor Gentile. There is no special status for Jews! Israel is just as guilty as America for their endless destruction they cause in the world. God does not look favorable upon Jews because of them being Jewish..

    • bighoss

      You got that right, Deep. But do not think that any of the Christian Zionist dupes on here will agree with you.

      The deluded folks who suck up to the notion of an Israel restored, with the temple rebuilt on the temple mound,and a red heifer without spot or blemish being found for a kickoff sacrifice need to read the book of Hebrews and get themselves squared away with the truth.

      • http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville

        For whatever it is worth Hoss. All this illuminati weird stuff aside but the place is definitively WEIRD and SYMBOLIC and indeed paid for by Rothschilds as the whole beginning of the Israel State: http://youtu.be/ttqVkg9iGww

        • bighoss

          The Rothschilds? Are those the same folks who produce such tasty wines?

          • http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville

            They might own it… They own half of Europe and US and whole Israel.

    • http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville

      Indeed and ditto.

  • barnabas41

    Amen Deep, Amen!

  • JeremiahToday

    Firstly, the Jesuits have successfully planted the sovereign drug of Arminianism through out the churches of Protestantism, and secondly, if you do find a "decent" church, you probably segregate your families in youth groups and the such-like, rather than staying together as a family in worship and growing in the grace and knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.