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Big Hate: The Media's Obsession with Mormonism

It's often taken for granted that Christian conservatives' uneasiness with Mormonism best explains why Mitt Romney has struggled to win-over those voters.

In Inside the Circus, a new e-book about the 2012 campaign by Politico's Mike Allen and Evan Thomas, the Romney campaign is depicted as so consumed with worry that the candidate's faith would hurt him with the evangelicals that dominated the Iowa caucuses that it failed to anticipate Rick Santorum's rise. "Part of the reason for the ceiling [of support], quite frankly, is the Mormon thing," a Romney aide told the authors. "If he was even an Episcopalian, he'd be better off today."

Negative perceptions of Mormonism so worried Romney's 2008 presidential team that, according to Politico, "the dilemma had its own acronym in campaign power point presentations: TMT (That Mormon Thing)."

Of course, Romney's ideologically malleability and political opportunism — not his faith — has always been his biggest liability with conservatives. But the Mormon angle allowed the media to portray conservatives as bigoted theocrats.

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  • Harold Clark

    This is about one thing. "anyone who runs against Obama the illegal alien will be a target of the news? media." The news media can be compared to Joseph Goebbels propaganda team that did the same thing to Nazi Germany in behalf of Adolph Hitler during the 1930's. Lies, distortion, character assasination etc.

    • Anne Gelinase

      Anyone should be president except obama. He will turn muslim as he has stated prior after getting elected. He clearly said that if the winds should turn, he would turn to his muslim faith. He has said he is a muslim. He has said he is a christian.
      In islam noone can be both. So which will this man turn to when the winds blow and that is the direction we know not.
      So, therefore, with obama out we have a clear picture that at least America will remain, One Nation Under God, Indivisible, with Liberty and Justice for All. American justice, not sharia law and not the wild west that the occupiers are now living by. They have set up their own code of law in America. So we have a possible sharia law and an occupier law, on top of that we have the union which has its own law, and then what happened to the government body of the United States of America? Lost I suspect. Even Mr. Holder cannot act because he is afraid to antogonize the black population and the unions, and sharia law and occupiers wild west law. So therefore, he is a man who should resign. He cannot do his job..

      • LAG

        Anyone should be president except Obama?? Remember the ignorant slogan "Anyone But Bush?" I do NOT wand a second term of Obama and he will NOT get my vote, but lets just be careful we (the nation) still make informed choices because someone worse is always lurking.

        • Casper777

          America is becoming a 'dis-honest' country. We see it in the news media, Hollywood, politics, Government, business, Corporations, Wall Street and our President. We are constantly subjected to 'game plays', mis-information, half-truths, deception and outright lies.
          But the Majority are Honest Americans subjected and influenced by the deceptive minority. We Out Number Them ! Just don't be fooled – as we were in the 2008 elections by the DNC and news media with their, then, 'hate Bush' agenda. We were sure fooled . . . . How is that 'Hope and Change' working out for you ??
          If you vote for a Democrat (or RINO) at any level of Government – Federal, State, Local, you may be an idiot. . . . . .

          • msjallen

            Casper, you are right but we have had a dishonest government for very many years; we just haven't heard about it so much in the news. I grew up thinking all is well in WDC even when the Demos where in power because things seemed to be going well. I was "born and raised" a Republican and still am but have come realize there are RINOs in the ranks. One only needs to watch "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington" to see the true corruption even back in the "good ole' days". So with eyes wide open we as conservatives have a real fight on our hands to get 0 out of the WH. I did not like any of the GOP candidates but I will vote against 0.
            Col 2:10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over ALL rule and authority;

          • daves

            Bobseeks – where are you to give us your opinion of Mormons?

          • http://conservativebyte.com Michael G.

            I do have a legitimate question: Do you personally know any Mormons?

      • lurl

        What comic book are you getting your info from, Gelanase?

      • Hadassa Abba

        All born again believers must pray for our government period that includes Mitt Romney & Obama for salvation! Can you imagine Obama as a true follower of Christ? Pray Ezekiel 36:26 for God to change their hearts! The power of a righteous prayer avails much! We must not let our hearts be troubled! Know that God is in charge and whoever wins, He needs to fullfil His prophesy! He's coming very soon! Make sure your lamps are Full! Don't be caught off guard! But First seek the kingdom of God and all His righteousness, then all these things will be added to you! Are You putting God first? Those who don't know Jesus http://needGod.com. God Bless! Don't cast your pearls before swine!

      • Evermyrtle

        "One Nation under GOD with Liberty and Justice for all. We know how the illegal feel about GOD and speaking of Liberty and Justice, where is it. Students can run a Mexican flag up on a pole and that is fine,but let a child go to school with a CHRISTMAS badge pinned to her shirt and see what happens. The illegals do get liberty and a healthy dose of justice. Where is the Liberty and Justice for Citizens?? I can't seem to be able to find it. Where is Zimmerman's liberty and justice.??

        Look at this scandal with Trayvon and Zimmerman . The media, even very small Newspapers are ready to hang Zimmerman with the first breath of a trial. I could be wrong but I understand the Trayvon is a lawbreaker, already.

    • Chris

      Rubbish. Romney is a flipfloping clown. He isn't interested in helping you he's doing this for himself. Mormonism like Christianity is silly only more so.

      You are going to vote for somebody who thinks native Americans came from Israel and that a religion is based on a pile of non-existent gold plates. It's total BS and you clowns suck it up.

      You people are fools.

      • ross

        Fools? Great Christian, Chris. Read Matthew 22.
        Guess what happens to people who calls others a fool? Your ignorant, intolerant, bigoted, hateful way is getting you right where you deserve.

        • Evermyrtle

          Chris does not claim to be a Christian. He is an anti-GOD liberal, according to his posts.

          • http://conservativebyte.com Michael G.

            God-Hater is probably closer to reality–his realty.

      • Evermyrtle

        Surprise, surprise I would agreed with you this time except for your self righteous, calling people fools when you your self are lacking a conscience. I have always heard, that "it takes one to know one," so be careful how you call othere people names.

      • http://conservativebyte.com Michael G.

        Chris do us all a favor…Don't Vote!

    • keyboardshark

      Romney is basically Obama lite, but better the lite version than the full-calorie one. At least Romney knows how to run a business, but the only thing Obama knows how to run is the nation into a ditch, and he's doing quite well at it, I might add.

    • http://conservativebyte.com Michael G.

      Goebbels was considered the master of the 'lie and the half-truth.'
      He did his job well. All of them are either dead by their own hand, or by other's.

  • JulesV29

    I do not care what religion the man is, he is not a Fiscal Conservative, but more of a Liberal Moderate. We need a STRONG Conservative in office to turn this country around and Mitt is not the man. If we could just get to a Brokered Convention we would be able to run a candidate that Obama is NOT prepared for and that would be our best bet!

    • Anne Gelinase

      We need to replace obama . period.

      • lurl

        Gelinase:
        Thank is only your minority opinion. Polls show otherwise.

        • Evermyrtle

          I believe right the minority is about 60%. That makes a majority. Many liberals can stomach him any longer!

          • jamani

            Hey mayonaise brain Myrtle why are you posting. Haven't they locked you up in your nice safe room for the night?
            You don't make one bit of sense.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          The polls do not show otherwise. Obama is at less than 50% approval, which never bodes well for a sitting president.

    • TheRowan

      You and many others have to get use to the fact that there will not be a brokered convention, and Mitt Romney will be the nominee. Mitt was not my first choice, but I will not sit on my hands and watch this President get another 4 year term. We Conservatives must get behind our candidate, and show that this country means more to us than our own biases, that our prefered candidate did not become the final candidate to oppose President Obama. This election is to important. If President Romney does not toe the line then there will be another election in four year. If this President gained another four years term, with his hatred for our consititution, future elections could be questionable, he rules against the wishes of the majority of the people, and often outside the tenents alloted the Federal government now. From that perspective, we as conservatives must vote in more conservative Republicans into the House and Senate and hold a President Romney's feet to the fire to follow through on the changes he advanced during his campaign. Harry Reid is a morman and that never handicaped him.

      • msjallen

        Romney is not my choice either but if he doesn't stand up to 0 and start telling what 0 is doing to this country in plain language, he is going to lose. However, this election is in God's hands and if We the People don't start putting God first in our lives we will suffer under 0 and our country will not maintain the freedom we now have to worship as we choose. If it takes discipline from God to turn this nation around then that will happen and we need to be prepared with His Word in our thinking so we can get through the hard times.
        I Tim 2:1-2 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and all who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.

        • Washington22

          Rowan and msjallen, your 2 comments/thoughts are right on and I agree with your both! Bless you. It does my heart good to read thoughtful comments. Actually today, everyone is thinking clearly on this site. Sometimes it's painful to read what so many idiots think. I, too, am not a Romney fan, however, I'll support and work for him to make this nation a better place. I'll give him a chance and in my heart of hearts, I think he'll do a good job, especially with the economy. Other issues, we'll have to be watchful. I also feel strongly, that he'll listen to the voters. He's that kind of man. So now it's time to pray that God will protect us and keep us.

    • ORB

      You will have to choose. Obama or Romney. Obama means the destruction of the Republic and that is a fact!

      • http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville

        Ok I can see that but what 14K Mormon such as Romney means for this corporate conglomerate? For this is what we have here ORB. The Republic is GONE and long ago too?

      • lurl

        ORB
        Where did you get your facts?

    • Washington22

      I'm unsure about a brokered convention. Would the person be vetted? Seriously……………what would we be getting? I don't want a Christie or a Ron Paul or Mr X. I WOULD take a Sarah Palin……………Other than that suggestion, Im leary. Hope others will comment…………………

    • lurl

      You don't care what the religion is of the man or woman is who will run for president.
      Don't worry the best president we have had President Obama will win in a landslide.
      Relax and enjoy the ride.

      • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

        Your ride is about to get very bumpy.

  • http://yahoo.com guest

    Too bad they don't feel the same about radical Islam. Good comment Harold.

  • Richard

    If Romney loses the presidential election to Obama, the strategy of making sure that Obama's opponent is a Mormon would have worked, because any right thinking Christian should not vote for him. Christians in the USA, get ready for a second term for the "beloved" Obama!

    • Jerry M

      I don't dislike Mormons. They don't blow people up but I have to admit I do have a great HATE for Muslims and for Obama being one. All of us Christians need to just suck it up and vote for Romney. He may be the lesser evil but he is the lesser evil.

    • Dawg

      Richard… your attitude scares me more than anything at this point because I know it is shared with many other radical groups that are blinded by their bigotry towards Mormons. There are fanatics who would rather let this country down and hand it over to fascists rather than 'vote for a Mormon.' How insane.

      • tbone

        why is it bigotry? Why can't we judge a candidate by the theological statements of their faith? Is the most powerful position in the world not that important? I don't hate Mormans. I am commanded to love everyone by God. That doesn't mean I have to support someone I disagree with. When will we start to live our lives by principle instead of by pragmatism?
        If there are no presidential candidates that I can agree with biblically, then I will skip the presidential section of the ballot and move on to the other candidates that are running for congress.

        • TheRowan

          Richard, if Mitt's religion becomes the basis whether or not to vote for him, than shame on us. If Mitt Romney looses this election it will be because he and the Republican party would not go after this President and his record and the path he is taking this country since taking office. We did not know what religion candidate Obama was, except he claimed to be a Christian, but we still can't be sure. He was brought up in the early developmental years in a Muslim country, and he has indicated he still has affections for that religion. Also he spent 20 years under the tutelage of Reverend Wright, I don't know if one could call what he preaches main stream Christianity either. Religion should not be an issue expecially when this country is in such dire straights.

        • msjallen

          I also believe we need to increase the Republican side in the Senate and the House and if 0 does get reelected we can get him out of office through empeachment and better yet; treason. Impeachment would give him our tax money for the rest of his life.

          • lurl

            msjellin,
            Again you are just lacking so much information on how this government is run.
            What are you going to impeach President Barack Hussein Obama on?

        • blackhawk

          That's real smart guy. You know you will vote for your messiah Omuslim.

          • lurl

            Hawk,
            For your information he is addressed thusly:
            President Barack Hussein Obama, President of The United States.
            Stand back and watch as he is re-elected in a land slide.

          • Evermyrtle

            Not in my back yard. There he is a jackass!!

          • Jamami

            No my dear myrtle:
            You are staring at yourself in that mirror again.
            You are a jackass or a Ninni?

        • Celticwaryor

          You just as well put the check mark next to zerObummer's name, because if you don't vote Republican, you are throwing your vote to this imposter. I urge you to rethink your position for the sake of this once great nation!

          • lurl

            Do us all a favour…don't vote for our great President Obama. He does not need your vote.
            Rethink your position.

          • Evermyrtle

            Positions are set n stainless steel. "GET RID OF THE BUM!!!"

          • jamani

            The impostor is Rumney as he is a huge misogynist who hates freedom of women!
            He is just one big joke and our President Obama will again take the reigns of government as God has designed him to do.

        • Curious

          Not voting for Romney 'because he is Mormon' is a vote for Obama – that kind of narrow thinking will bring this country to its knees… I do not want that on my conscience.

      • ross

        Good post, Dawg.

    • lurl

      Richard,
      He is TRULY beloved amongst the majority.

      • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

        His approval rating is less than 50%. He is not beloved by the majority.

  • LAG

    I'm a Christian who is a member of the Lutheran Church (Missouri Synod) and have never let Romney's Mormonism bother me. My Mormon neighbor is also one of my best friends. While leaders will undoubtedly make decisions based on their overall world view, as we all do, not all have based them strictly by their ideology. We certainly can't say that regarding the current POTUS.

    • tbone

      If Obama gets reelected, then it was in God's hands anyway. We will have to answer to God for all of our decisions (including our voting) on this earth when we leave this mortal coil. That should be our main concern. Not to get rid of Obama.
      Will you take a stand and do the right thing even if it means sacrificing the election turnout? And no, I'm not a Democrat or a Republican.

      • Evermyrtle

        Whatever happens, we can depend on it, GOD IS IN CONTROL!" He will go along, leaving us alone to do what ever we want to do, until HE decides to end it all. Still, HE watches over us and keeps us safe, when we put ourselves into dangerous situations. HE knows everything that is going on, and if we ask HIS advice and assistance HE will give it to us but HE forces nothing. HE allows things to happen, HE does not cause them to happen, until the time is right for HIS interference. HE works in our lives every day, if we ask HIM to do so. He will allow evil to thrive, for just so long but HE will not allow us to destroy the world. HE will put an end to things before we can do that. HE will send HIS SON to remove HIS people from the danger zone, before HE does anything. HE may allow Obama to win, I do not know HIS plans but I do know whatever happens, HE allowed it. We may dispear because HE does not do what "WE THINK HE SHOULD DO," BUT HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS DOING AND WE SHOULD JUST TRUST HIM AND NOT WORRY AND FRET BECAUSE THINGS SEEM TO BE GOING OUT OF HIS CONTROL, "JUST HANG IN THERE WITH HIM AND TRUST HIM" HE WILL WORK IT ALL OUT, PERFECTLY.

      • LAG

        Doing the right thing is voting my conscience and my conscience says I can not vote for Obama and then look my children in the eyes.

        • lurl

          Too bad! He has done a lot to save this worthless nation. But worry not. President Obama will win in a landslide.
          Being a Mormon won't be Romney's downfall…his sutpidness will and his hate of women.

          • Curious

            lol… from what I have seen, there is no people that put a woman on a higher pedestal than Mormon men. They are respected in all ways and encouraged to be all that they can be. Romney is a far cry from stupid. He is not a progressive 'puppet.'

          • jamani

            Curious…you know as well as I that the only reason a mormonist would place a woman on a pedestal is to looki up her skirt and cop a feel.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Romney is leading in several polls. Why liberals consider Obama a success is a mystery.

  • LAG

    If moderates to conservatives are truly convinced that a 2nd term for Obama = end of the US as we know it, then they had better vote for Romney. AT THE SAME TIME, we had also better keep towing the line and continue the accountability that's been started (but not yet good enough).

    • tbone

      you should be looking at this election with an eternal perspective. It really doesn't matter who gets the vote, they are both committed to the world government scene and will make decisions according to it. A world government means that all nations will give up their national sovereignty but its in the Plan of God so we must not worry ourselves about it.

      • LAG

        The media portrays Romney as such, but I don't see the hard core evidence myself. Yes, we are not to worry as God is in control, but God also gave us a mind for a reason and we will answer for apathy and laziness when it comes to our life circumstances. I am concerned for my children's earthly future, not their eternal one.

        • msjallen

          LAG, I may being taking what you said wrong but our children's eternal future is the most important thing we need to be concerned about. I am assuming your children are believers in Jesus Christ. As you said, God is in control.
          Rom 13:1 Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except
          from God, and those which exist are established by God. (Jesus Christ controls history.)

          • LAG

            I am not concerned about their eternal future because they are baptised children of Christ and their Christian education is our foremost priority. That is why at this moment, I am mostly concerned with their earthly future. My husband and I will do all we can to secure their freedoms, as well as teach them to do the same.

          • LAG

            By the way, I have a sister who has been preached the "God will handle it all" theology all her adult life. Well that may be true in one sense, it does not excuse us from using the brains, time and talent He gave us. In her case, she has almost never worked for herself and exists on handouts. She's nice and I love her, but sitting back and saying God will handle it all while we do nothing is NOT what He intended, in my humble opinion.

          • msjallen

            LAG, what your sister is not doing to earn a living is not what the Bible teaches.
            2 Thessalonians 3:10 For even when we were with you, we used to give you this order: if anyone is not willing to work, then he is not to eat, either.
            1 Timothy 5:8 But if anyone does not provide for his own family, and especially for those of his immediate household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.
            BTW, just being baptized doesn't mean one is saved.
            I John 5:11-13 And this is the deposition, that God has given to us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life. These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life.

          • LAG

            I believe you are completely reading things into my words that are not there. We were saved when Christ died on the cross for us. I have been a devout, regularly worshiping Christian who prays daily and studies God's word in and out of scheduled church and group Bible study. My husband, children and I are in good hands with the Lord and our eternal home. My ONLY point in this thread is that God doesn't instruct us to be uninvolved in our earthly life and there are many Bible verses pointing to that as well. He also instructs us not to fret (worry over things we can not control), and I don't. I do, however, concern myself with matters that I have a say (vote) in. Thanks for the conversation and God bless. By the way, I am well aware that what my sister is doing is not what the Bible teaches. That was my point. She has been wrongly taught that God will take care of everything to the point that she doesn't have to be responsible.

          • msjallen

            Apparently I am reading things into what you write but one more response. When Jesus Christ died on the cross for the sins of all mankind does that mean no one has to accept Him as their personal savior or do you mean everyone is saved regardless of what they believe or who they are? Just asking.
            Whosoever believes in the Son has eternal life; but whosoever rejects the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him. (John 3:36)

  • Evermyrtle

    Mormonism has nothing to do with how you believe. You are a Mormon because that is how you believe, you want to believe. We all hear these things they are teaching We believe it or we reject it. What people believe is what brought about Mormonism,not the other way around, that caused the birth of Mormonism. They choose to believe these lies. How can GOD punish "the Book of Mormon" or what ever it is called. Let's just say he, the believer, agreed with all of these, "Raise the debt level" acts. That is not because of Mormonism that is because of ignorance, like the "so-called Christians" or the Catholics, who agreed, too. This is what we need to worry about. Not if he is a Mormon but what is his aim for our country! They choose to live by the book somebody found, dug up or wrote. The book was harmless.The trouble came because people were ready to believe anything. And we go on and on and on over this "book," instead of the ignorant, deliberate beliefs.

    • Chris

      Mormonism is about oppression of women and hate for gays. They are not interested in looking after the planet either.. No thanks.

      • Carol

        When you grow up-go to a Mormon Church."The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints" and see the real truth for yourself. Mormon Women are not oppressed! They are cherrished and loved. As for gays, they don't believe in that way of life and believe Marriage is between a Man and a Woman only. But they do believe we are all children of
        God.

        • lurl

          Also you have forgotten. All LDS members are required to have one year's worth of supplies in their homes for use in times of disaster so they will not be dependant upon the government for help.

    • Carol Harnit

      Mormons are kind loving people with great moral values and ethics. They are called Mormons because of history but the name of their Church is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". YES, they are all Christians and Love their Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. So people lets get over them not being Christians-that is a lie. They are Strong
      Christians. Now for Romney. He has great Moral Values and is the only one running for the office of President of the United States that can get this country out of the Horrific financia mess the democrats have made. He is the only one running qualified to fix this financial fiasco and help this Nation rise above it to greatness again. He loves his Country and will work tirelessly to repair it. We are in a financial toronado that is sucking the lifes blood out of every America Citizen. God Bless this Country and God Bless Mitt Romney! He has a huge job ahead of him but with God's help and the support of the people of this Nation he can bring Stability and Greatness back to this Nation and really Support and Defend the Constitution. Let Show him Our Love and Support in November!

    • lurl

      Myrtle the Turtle:
      Amazing discourse. How can you comment on a book you have never read about and people you have never known?
      Try something a little more simple such as reading your fairy tales.

      • Evermyrtle

        Did your mom ever wash out your mouth with soap? NO? Then that is your problem. Filthy, lying mouths need to be washed out occasionally!! Or or you just that ignorant and really believe that tripe that you spout!!

        • quilty.l

          Myrtle the turtle:
          Obviously you need to get laid.

  • Eve

    They should be more concerned with Obama's Muslim upbringing shouldn't they? I am sorry but Mormonism is not promoting the killing of innocent people or the subjugation of the world. I certainly don't think it will keep Romney from winning.

    • tbone

      that's not the point, Eve. The point is the decision you make at the ballot box has eternal consequence. You will not save America by voting Republican.

      • msjallen

        tbone, you are so right.
        Ps 75:5-7 Do not lift up your horn on high; do not speak with insolent pride. For not from the east, nor from the west, nor from the desert comes exaltation; But God is the Judge; He puts down one and exalts another.
        Col 2:10 and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over ALL rule and authority;
        Titus 3:1-2 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.

    • eVERMYRTLE

      You are right , Eve. I believe there will be saved people in the Mormon church as there will be saved people in every denomination. Unless Muslims turn to GOD and HIS SON JESUS CHRIST there will be no SAVING BLOOD FOR THEM. And to think he stands as President of MY COUNTRY WHILE DENYING THE SAVING GRACE OF MY SAVIOR IS VERY DISTURBING TO ME.

      • Guest

        If I am wrong Ihad rather be wrong praising somone that doesn't deserve that to condemn one who doesn't deserve it.

    • lurl

      President Obama was raised right in the middle of this country by his grandparents and they were xian lite.
      He states he is an xian so who are you to dispute his belief.

      • Evermyrtle

        Are you a Christian like Obama?

        • quilty

          Yes Indeed! Too bad you are not!

          • quilty.l

            Why?

    • quilty.l

      There is no way Romney the woman hating mormon will win anything.
      President Obama will win in a landslide!

  • Eve

    The media is running things as usual. I liked Herman Cain and thought his 999 plan was awesome. Of course the media destroyed him by using his family. They knew he could beat Obama and pacify our racial divides. I like Ron Paul I think he has a lot to offer that we need. But the media doesn't want him because he is too vocal with the truths and would destroy Obama. They give us Romney. They don't think Romney can defeat Obama or at least hope he doesn't. We can take back the Senate get Reid out who simply drawers every proposal Congress sends him and then protests that they don't do anything (budgets)…they don't do anything Reid wants them too. And then we have Obama who thinks his pen is his sword..If we have Obama again we can make it very hard for him to do anything. If we get a luke warm president we can push him to do the things we need done.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      You do realize that if Cain had gotten into the White House he would have turned his 999 plan upside down and revealed the 666 plan he really wanted to implement? Even his name was a dead giveaway to who he is. You should feel lucky you dodged that devilish bullet.

      • LAG

        You're being baited Eve. Don't bite. Jeff is using biblical references, but in his mind is quoting Humpty Dumpty.

        • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

          Gosh, you figured out that I was not being serious? Who would have thought that was possible. Normally, you lag behind.

    • Evermyrtle

      Your are right, they produce half lies which are worse than full lies because if there is a little truth it makes the lies look true, too. Causes people to believe the lies. Then we rant and rave, never taking into consideration that the lies, are worked expertly into the truth, and realizing that they are made, to make us believe the lies. THE MEDIA IS RIGHT AT THE POINT OF RUNNING AND RUINING THE NATION, BECAUSE WE BELIEVE THE LIES AND GET ENRAGED, AND WORK TOWARD THESE NOT AGAINST THESE FALSE BELIEFS.

    • keyboardshark

      I think Jeff was just trying to be humorous. I found it rather clever myself!

      • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

        Thanks Key. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

        • keyboardshark

          Wow, didn't think I'd hear back from that thread again, but I was still subscribed to replies, and it clunked into my inbox. I guess they didn't catch your joke, but I thought it was funny, even though I admit I had to read it twice to make sure you weren't really serious!

          Thanks for the complement, and the same goes for you too. I mean it. Even though we usually disagree, I have always found you to be intellectually honest in your posts and, unlike many skeptics (or even Christians, unfortunately), you refrain from personal attacks and stick with the issues.

          Everyone has their own 'voice' when they post on the web, and while some may knowingly or unknowingly write with an aggressive or belligerent voice, flaming anyone who disagrees with them, I try to keep it civil and speak with a neutral, non-judgmental voice. Nevertheless, I am not perfect, and sometimes an unkind comment will find its way into my posts, and then I'll wonder the next day why I said it that way.

    • quilty.l

      How interesting. Romney the misogynist won't win anything.
      President Obama will win hands down in a landslide.

  • Jasmine

    Richard… There is so much bigotry and ignorance on the part of the anti-Mormons and the untruths that they spread about the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. People don't even realize that the Mormons believe that our way of life was a gift from God. And yes, we are Christian.

    Warnings came from LDS members early on about how fragile our freedoms were and how they should be protected:

    Ezra Taft Benson (Mormon leader and thirteenth President of the church from 1985 until his death in 1994): "…unless we as citizens of this nation forsake our sins… political and otherwise, and return to the fundamental principles of Christianity and of constitutional government, we will lose our political liberties, our free institutions and will stand in jeopardy before God,…"

    Ezra Taft Benson, 1977 :
    "Yes, I repeat, righteousness is an indispensable ingredient to liberty. Virtuous people elect wise and good representatives. Good representatives make good laws and then wisely administer them. This tends to preserve righteousness. An unvirtuous citizenry tend to elect representatives who will pander to their covetous lustings. The burden of self-government is a great responsibility. It calls for restraint, righteousness, responsibility, and reliance upon God. It is a truism from the Lord that “when the wicked rule the people mourn.” (D&C 98:9.)

    As presiding officer of the Constitutional Convention, George Washington appealed to the delegates in these words: “Let us raise a standard to which the wise and the honest can repair.” Wise and honorable men raised that glorious standard for this nation. It will also take wise and honorable men to perpetuate what was so nobly established.

    J. Reuben Clark, JR. (Mormon Leader and member of the Quorum of the 12 Apostles from 1934) ~ 1947 : "I am not shaken in my convictions nor frightened by the assertion of many good people and fostered by the communists and “new thoughters,” that the doctrine of the Fathers is outmoded, and that we are in a new world. All the age old forces are still peering out at us, — greed, avarice, ambition, selfishness, the passion to rule, the desire to enslave for the sordid advantage of the enslaver. Not a single wanton face is missing and the visages of some are more hideous than ever."

    Ezra Taft Benson: There are principles that may bring us back into heaven’s favor again. These principles are embodied in the Decalogue, or the Ten Commandments. They came from God Himself to Moses, and form the foundation of civilized society. Designed by the Almighty, these laws plumb the depths of human motives and urges, and, if adhered to, will regulate the baser passions of mankind. No nation has ever perished that has kept the commandments of God.

    Neither permanent government nor civilization will long endure that violates these laws. The conscience of all right-thinking people declares this to be so. “America cannot remain strong by ignoring the commandments of the Lord.” (President Spencer W. Kimball, June 3, 1976.)

    "America, North and South, is a choice land, a land reserved for God’s own purposes. This land and its inhabitants are under an everlasting decree. The Lord revealed this decree to the brother of Jared, an American prophet (Book of Mormon), in these solemn words":

    “Behold, this is a choice land, and whatsoever nation shall possess it shall be free from bondage, and from captivity, and from all other nations under heaven, if they will but serve the God of the land, who is Jesus Christ. …” (Ether 2:9, 10, 12.)

    You can rest assuredly that Romney understands the dire circumstances our country is facing…

    • Chris

      Mormonism is total made up rubbish. Get over it.

    • Byron

      My god, you are extremly long winded. Whos going to waste their time reading all that?? I'm not.

      • Curious

        lol… that is what is wrong with this country and the people… they do not read

    • Mitch

      You need to be prepared for a scorched earth campaign in which we will be introduced to a full and extensive review of the "original" Book of Mormon and the Mormon beliefs. The Obama organization is not a politcially correct organization and there is nothing off limits. You also might want to open the Bible, you also seem to have, but not believe in and see if you can find out what a "Christian" is. if you deny the "Diety of Christ" are you a Christian?
      If Romney is the final Republican candidate, most Evangelical Christians will hold their nose and vote for Romney as the lesser of two evils. We will not however support him financially or spiritually. We will pray for his salvatiion.

      • Esteban Cafe

        Sir, you have tendered a load of anti-Chrisitan baloney. We should not be fighting our Mormon neighbors and instead should be uniting against what is obviously evil–your President Obama. Do you, sir, know any Mormons? I thought not. I have two neighbors who are Mormon and would to God that my Evangelical church-mates were as Christian as they. It is by their fruit that we know them; I know you now, and you're clearly not Christian: your fruits prove it. Repent and grow in Christ.

    • Leslee

      Jasmine… honey, you are so brainwashed… …I was a Mormon and I was taught that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer…also that they believe that they will become gods after death and the more women they have to "procreate" with the higher their status… that being said… I am now a Christian, had to fight to get out of the LDS church, but I would still vote for Romney over Obama.

      I agree that there are many Mormons who are fine upstanding people and there are many Christians who are just as fine and upstanding… the crux of the beliefs comes down to "do you believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God or do you believe that Jesus is just one of many with Lucifer, the god of this world, being His brother?"

      • keyboardshark

        Well said, Leslee, and believable too since you have experienced it firsthand.

        • Jasmine

          Leslee & Keyboardshark,

          I am a little surprised with the question, especially after being a member of the LDS church at some point in your life as you say.

          You said…“I agree that there are many Mormons who are fine upstanding people and there are many Christians who are just as fine and upstanding… the crux of the beliefs comes down to "do you believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God or do you believe that Jesus is just one of many with Lucifer, the god of this world, being His brother?"

          As a previous member you should be aware that … we believe that we are all brothers and sisters in the spirit (Read again the Book of Abraham) – but most critical to understand is that we believe that Jesus Christ is the Firstborn, Only Begotten and one and only literal Son of God ~ He created all things and was made flesh, He is our Mediator, Intercessor, Exemplar & Redeemer. The Godhead – three separate, but Distinct Beings, but One in Mind, Will & Purpose ~ Remember Our 1st Article of Faith which defines the Godhead?: 1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

          1 Corinthians 8:6 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

          ¶"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

          The relationship between Father and Son & Jesus mission is clear in Jesus' Intercessory Prayer to His Father :

          John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
          (Christ is the Word, John 1:1)

          22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

          23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

          24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. (Rev. 13:8 ~ the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world)
          25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
          26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love where with thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

          1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
          20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

          21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory (John 17: 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was); that your faith and hope might be in God.

          John 17:6
          I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. (God of Israel ~ and those also by adoption)

          Luke 1:68
          68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel (Jesus Christ); for he hath visited and redeemed his people,…

          Respectfully,
          Jas

        • Jasmine

          As far as "fighting to get out of the LDS church" ? All you have to do is go to the Bishop of your Ward and request that your records are removed from the church… If you do not wish to be 'bothered' they will respect your choices. I know this for a fact.

          If you have had a bad experience with leaving the church ~ it would have been an unfortunate choice on some individuals part and definately not the policy of the church.

          Jas

          • keyboardshark

            Jasmine:
            As I do not have any first-hand experience with the LDS church, you would be better off asking Leslee about these issues. I only interjected a comment that what Leslee had posted sounded believable, because she indicated she had been a Mormon, and who would know better than someone who had actually been there? It also sounded similar to what other people have posted in the past, and similar to other sources I have read which discussed Mormon doctrine, giving further credibility to what Leslee said in my mind.

            But now you are apparently disagreeing with her understanding of Mormon doctrine regarding the divinity of Jesus Christ. Since I have not researched the official doctrinal position of the LDS church, nor have I ever attended an LDS church service, I would be a poor arbitrator of the dispute.

            I do know that the LDS church has its own book, the Book of Mormon, and according to the Mormon website mormon.org, "The Book of Mormon is the word of God, like the Bible." That throws up a red flag in my mind right away, because the Bible alone is the only source for God's Word, and we are not to add to it nor take away from it:

            "18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

            19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book." (Revelation 22)

          • Vladimir

            That's referencing the book of Revelation not the entire Bible. We forget that the books existed a long time before they were compiled into the Bible we have today.

          • keyboardshark

            Vlad & Jasmine:
            It is true that Revelation is a book, but so are all the other 'books' of the Bible, which is The Book. If you add or subtract something from Revelation, you are adding or subtracting from the Bible, and likewise, if you add or subtract from any of the other books of the Bible, you are also adding or subtracting from the Bible. While it was originally written under the inspiration of God as individual books, they are now integral and dependent upon one another. We cannot fully understand a single passage in the Bible until we have first compared Scripture with Scripture (1 Corinthians 2:13) to see if our understanding fits with the whole Bible.

            For example, the Seventh Commandment says, "Thou shalt not commit adultery." (Exodus 20:14) Seems pretty straight-forward. We are not to have physical relations with another person's spouse, nor are we to have physical relations with someone other than our spouse if we are married.

            But in Matthew 5:27-28 we read:

            "27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

            28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart."

            Whoa, wait a minute. You mean if I have even looked at a woman with lust, I have committed adultery? Ouch, I'd have to say I'm guilty on that one. Would I have known that just looking was a sin from the Ten Commandments itself? Probably not. We would need the words of Jesus in Matthew 5 to fill in that detail.

          • jasmine

            I agree totally! That is why we LDS cross-reference all of the 'books' of inspired Works! For clarification and understanding and lack of wrong interpretation ~ which we have an abundance of now days and the resulting proliferating of differing denominations. Scriptures must be in harmony….

          • keyboardshark

            The problem is, the LDS have added additional books beside the Bible which do not meet the test of authenticity, namely, written under the inspiration of God. Having additional 'books' besides the Bible also contradicts the admonition to not add or subtract from it.

            The early Christians accepted the Old Testament in the same format as the first century Jews. The OT had been decided upon in the second century BC and the NT writers used the Greek version, the Septuagint.

            There is a process used to determine whether a book should be considered an inspired work of God. According to Merrill Tenney's New Testament Survey (Eerdmans 1961) some general guidelines might include:
            - the author must have either been an apostle or a close associate of an apostle
            - the document cannot contradict other "inspired" writings with respect to doctrinal teaching
            - the document must share the overall "feel" and "character" of other inspired writings, AND
            - it must have been cited by early Christian writers and be accepted by the majority of churches

            Although these criteria sound reasonable, one cannot find a clearly described methodology like this in the patristic writings for how they decided which works would be in the Christian Bible, the New Testament. Many early writings were accepted as inspired by some church fathers, yet failed to meet one or more of these conditions. To some degree, a few New Testament documents do not satisfy these criteria.

            Tenney must have also mentioned that the canon was confirmed at a church council. Many people have echoed this belief over the years. In fact, the exact list of NT documents was confirmed at the third Synod of Carthage (397 AD), but this was only a regional council and by this time the 27 New Testament documents had already been agreed upon by most of the church…but there were some exceptions.

            A Natural Delivery
            The NT was NOT dropped from heaven.
            The NT was NOT delivered by an angel.
            The NT was NOT dug up in a farmer's field as golden plates like the Book of Mormon.
            The NT was NOT suddenly "discovered" in a clay jar with 27 "books" intact like the Dea Sea Scrolls or the Nag Hammadi texts.

            The Muratorian canon is a manuscript fragment that represents the oldest known orthodox list (or canon) of the New Testament. The beginning and ending of the MS is missing. The document is dated by most scholars to have been written around 170-200 AD. This document was discovered in an Italian library by Ludovico Antonio Muratori, a famous historian of the time. This list includes the following:
            - Matthew and Mark (we assume these were named in the beginning of the fragment which is missing – the writer mentions "four gospels")
            - Luke and John
            - Acts
            - all 13 Pauline letters (including the Pastoral epistles)
            - 1 and 2 John is assumed since the writer only names two letters of John
            - Jude
            - the Revelation of John

            This listing omits Hebrews, 1 and 2 Peter, and 3 John. It also names a few documents that do NOT appear in the orthodox NT.

            By the end of the second century most of the 27 documents in the orthodox New Testament canon had already gained widespread acceptance, especially the four gospels and the Pauline writings. It is critical to understand why only four gospels were accepted.

            These early fathers were very familiar with the other gospels that were floating around – Marcion's gospel of Luke, the various gnostic gospels, and other "proto-orthodox" gospels that were not well accepted – they wanted to make it clear that these "other" gospels were NOT acceptable. There was, however, another very important reason – the Gnostics.

            TO READ MORE: http://www.churchhistory101.com/new-testament-can…

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Those darn Mormons. Only real Christians should be allowed to add additional books.

          • keyboardshark

            Christians have not added anything to the Bible. The Bible has been completed and assembled since the end of the second century, and Revelation 22 warns us not to add or subtract anything further.

            The Book of Mormon, while claiming to contain writings of ancient prophets who lived on the American continent from approximately 2200 BC to AD 421, was not published until March 1830 by Joseph Smith as The Book of Mormon: An Account Written by the Hand of Mormon upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi.[3], much later than the Bible.

            Since there is no secular record of ancient prophets of God living on the American continent at that time, nor does the Bible mention any prophets other than those centered in Israel, not to mention the 'mysterious' way in which the writings were supposedly written and discovered, they cannot be considered as authentic or as divinely inspired.

            "According to Smith's account, and also according to the book's narrative, the Book of Mormon was originally written in otherwise unknown characters referred to as "reformed Egyptian" engraved on golden plates. Smith claimed that the last prophet to contribute to the book, a man named Moroni, buried it in a hill in present-day New York and then returned to earth in 1827 as an angel,[4] revealing the location of the book to Smith and instructing him to translate and disseminate it as evidence of the restoration of Christ's true church in the latter days." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_of_Mormon

            Also, since there is no evidence whatsoever that Jesus or the apostles ever crossed the ocean, these so-called "ancient prophets" in America would not have been an apostle or a close associate of an apostle, nor would they have any claim of being in the presence of Jesus while He was on earth.

            I have nothing against Mormons personally. In fact, one of my favorite pop oldies (which I have on a 45 RPM record, BTW) is sung by Mormons: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zji4K3izQdA

          • Jasmine

            Keyboardshark,
            I appreciate your honesty. You know, even though The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints has at its Head Our Lord, and Savior, Jesus Christ ~ the body of the church is in fact made up of imperfect souls. There are issues that come up as with any congregation and there are those who, for whatever reason, have become dissatisfied with the church either because of personality clashes they could not get beyond, or sometimes the fact that the standards of the gospel are not negotiable, and so on. As far as Leslee…I do not know if she was a member – I was a little confused because of her question, I do wish that if someone chooses to separate from a church that they would not misrepresent the church and try to do harm (that goes for membership in any church or congregation). That being said, I do appreciate and love the fact that Our Father in Heaven allows all of us our free agency and a way to return to Him if we do get off the 'path.' There is no force, no coercion involved ~ it is as simple as we love Him and by doing so we will emulate Him and obey His commandments – and above all to do good and serve our fellow man.
            We do have the Book of Mormon (another Testament of Jesus Christ).

            The LDS inspired Standard Works are: Holy Bible, Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price and Doctrine & Covenants and I believe they are all on the same par… they are all cross-referenced to each other, which makes studying them as a whole a lot easier : ) Inviting the Holy Spirit while you earnestly study, pray and fast is the key to understanding. You cannot really – or I believe (in a perfect world) should not criticize the Works as some people do until you have made a thorough study – meaning read the books in totality, check all cross-references provided and compare. Easy enough to go on hearsay and others opinions, but not credible. I believe you can depend on the truths contained in these inspired scriptures. Any other sources written by men, unless truly inspired, in my opinion would be speculation on the part of 'men.'

            As an LDS member I read many books, LDS and non-LDS (we are encouraged to learn and ask questions) but as far as revealed truths I stay the inspired Standard Works. It is fun to speculate on some of the 'big questions' and mysteries – as many in the LDS church even do – but until answers are given as inspired scripture – right, or wrong – it is just speculation by men. The windows of heaven are open – they are not closed – and the day will come when even all truths will be revealed.

            Respectfully yours ~ Jas

          • Jasmine

            Keyboardshark…Good point about the reference to adding or taking away. There are many references actually in the Bible ~ after a prophet would speak by inspiration there would commonly be a warning of not adding or taking away from the meaning of the inspired prophecy. Revelation 22:18-19; Deuteronomy 4:2 & 13:18; Joshua 1:7; Proverbs 30:6; Matthew 28:20 to name a few.

            I'll have to check to sure, but I believe the ‘Books’ of the Bible were compiled and the Finalization of the canonization of the NT occurred at the Councils of Carthage in 397 and 419. Revelation was added to the list in 419. We have the Catholic Church to thank for safeguarding the Canon for so many years. The important difference between The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and other Christian denominations: We do no regard the canon as closed.

            "We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God." (9th Article of Faith/LDS)

            Jas

    • quilty.l

      Yes and don't forget your most outstanding member Glenn Beck. Such a person and prophet.

  • tod

    mormons are a cult, the same as muslims ,and Sunday Worshippers !!! For how to be a real Christain go to lcg.org !!!

    • Washington22

      Tod, you are uninformed as well as indecent toward others. Who made you judge? We have freedom in this nation to worship God almighty any way we seem fit…………………………..now the muslim thing is another story…………..they aren't Christians.

      • lurl

        Neither are you an xian! Of course Muslims are not xians…they are very good people.

    • aceituna

      Muslims are not just a cult. They are worse than a cult. Their way leads to an eternity in hell.

      • Evermyrtle

        Most Muslims worship Abba an islam god.

    • Mike Wilson

      If they are not against us, they are for us… I guess the LCG has forgotten this all important Christian teaching which brings all true christians with different doctrines together in the spirit that they are each saved by the grace afforded them for there adherance to their faith.

      We are taught to love the sinner, we are taught to love our neighbors, strangers, even our enemies… and our fellow professed Christians too. Romans 14.

      • Mike Wilson

        The Mormons of today are indeed a Christian Church with their own doctrine. They believe in the two commandments as handed down by Jesus… Love God with all your might and love all others as the Lord loves you (love your neighbor) they also believe the one thing which brings them into the fold… If they are not against us then they are for us… Jesus set this standard. While many may argue about their doctrine… it is theirs to live up to and they have decided to add these laws to the Grace Jesus gave to all Christians in exchange for their obedience and faith. Thus as Christians, whole in our faith, we should be able to rejoice in the Lord with any and all believers we wish to… even Mormons who live an austure lifestyle filled with many community and family oriented cultures which we could all could learn from. We need to stop fighting amonst ourselves (Christians) and come together and edify one another as much as possible and then keep our mouths shut about things others practice which we do not share beliefs in as this only causes derision and stumbling blocks for our brothers and sisters of the Mormon faith… true believers in Christ and compelled by the spirit as all Christians are.

        • Mike Wilson

          Join me at the group True Christian Church to support this new way of thinking. It is not a blending of faiths… rather it is an acceptance of our Christian Brothers and Sisters who follow other Apostles… Greek Orthodox – Paul… Eastern Orthodox… John… Egyptian Coptics… Matthew… Catholics (The Universal Church of Christ)… Peter… Protestants… Martin Luther and even John the Baptist… Read Romas 14… it is only a couple pages long and it will teach you all you need to know about this commonly misunderstood subject. YOU WOULD BE SURPRISED AT HOW MANY CHRISTIANS THERE ARE IN THE WORLD – WE ARE ON THE CUSP OF BRINGING THE OPPORTUNITY TO FOLLOW CHRIST TO EVERYONE! – AMEN!

          • Mike Wilson

            Although I agree with you about Dr. Paul!

          • myth buster

            Christ is not divided.

  • Uncle Pat

    I care not that Romney is a Mormon. I would vote for a ham sandwich before I would vote for Obama.

    • Chris

      And a ham sandwich makes more sense than you do.

    • ORB

      Or a Yellow Dog!!!!

    • keyboardshark

      I would vote for a wish sandwich. A wish sandwich is where you have two slices of bread, and you wish you had some meat. (Apologies to The Blues Brothers) http://www.wolfgangsvault.com/the-blues-brothers/…

      • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

        Elwood: It's 106 miles to Chicago, we got a full tank of gas, half a pack of cigarettes, it's dark… and we're wearing sunglasses.
        Jake: Hit it.

        • keyboardshark

          Ah yes, glad to see there's another fan out there. Wish I could have seen that concert live on New Year's Eve. Apparently it was the last concert at Winterland before they tore it down.

  • tod

    mormons and muslims are both pagan,and Suday Worshippers !!! Dr.Ron Paul America's Very Last Chance at Freedom !!!

    • alan g

      For, thanks for reminding me that all Paul supporters are idiots. To think that I actually considered supporting him. What was I thinking?

    • Esteban Cafe

      Sir, which of the two do you trust more with a gun? By their fruits you shall know them. Consider my two neighbors who are Mormon–and much better Christians than my Evangelical church-mates. You dismiss Christ's words when you conflate the two with each other. Why can't we get over our self-righteous natures and instead of denigrating each other, unite against what is truly evil. Sheesh!

    • lurl

      TOD
      You are a rip roaring nut! Neither Mormons or Muslims are pagan.
      What are Suday worshipers.

  • James

    It is time to stop thinking of all the "reasons" for being for or against Mr. Romney! A re-elected Obama means the end of this wondrous Nation, and the complete destruction of both the Constitution and Religious Freedoms. Either wake up to the reality or submit to the tyranny of Socialism. November of this year is the "most important election" in my 70 years of living as a free person. I, for one, will not fail myself, my children, my grandchildren in upholding the responsibility of "ownership"! Mr, Romney will be the "only" choice on the ballot, and he will be "My Huckleberry (aka: The only "R" on the ballot"!

    • ALan

      Wrong james – Obama will get nothing passed in a conservative house and senate. Rombama will get the whole Obama agenda, which he supports, passed because "he is one of us". Rombama is far more dangerous that Obama – though both are horrible. God has truly removed His protection from the US. We will get what we deserve!

  • millergroup2

    Here we have Ron Paul. No black marks. His income, bank accounts, and political history are transparent. He believes in God the Father….Jesus. He tells us that the Unites States Government needs to be held accountable, abolish the IRS, audit the Federal Reserve, and return this country back to where the Government works for the people. Paul makes political sense, yet the people of the United States laughs at him. Paul is offering everything that the people are begging for. Yet the people will vote for the more hansom fellow with money to gloat over. If you want change, then do something about it.

  • Faye

    Why worry about Momonism when no body worred about muslim with Obama and that is the worse decision I have ever seen for voters. Lets worry about our country our freedom our econcomy our jobs I belong to Church of God so would that concern voters or if he was Catholic Baptist or what ever its better than having a communist like Obama wanting to be our dictator and will do just that if re-elected. Romney seems to have more common sense in his little finger that Obama in his whole body he is about the most stupid crazy idiot I have ever seen in tthe office he is now holding and I pray not for long I want to see him tried for fraud and treason and it can be done if congress will get off thier rears.

  • Washington22

    The media has an obsession with Mormans? I've got news……………the media is GODLESS. Who gives a rat's a__ what they think? The media is the biggest group of unimportant, unethical, un American people known to man…………….

  • alan g

    I have never had a problem with mormanism. The fact that Romney was a Morman never bothered me. But then a friend reminded me that Harry Reid was a Morman. Now I am really, really, really, concerned. I suppose Romney will get the Reid vote.

    • carol

      Harry Reid is a disgrace to mankind. Remember there are all kinds of Catholics, Lutherans, Prostistans, Mormons and Jews. All are not good but they dot the make-up of their religions.

    • Curious`

      Not many Mormons that I know of would claim Harry Reid, lol…. he is an emarrassment to the church. But we do believe in free agency – he will have to answer to God one day.

  • James

    I couldn't care less about Romney's religion. What concerns me is that he is a rich guy who has never had a real job. He's more out of touch with the American people than the president of Iran. He wants to roll everything back so that we are once again in the death grip of the health insurance companies. What we need right now is universal healthcare, and not the disgraceful system that we have, which makes Charles Dickens' England look like a utopia. We are being held hostage by a comparatively small number of rich SOBs–the upper 1 percent. It doesn't matter who we vote for . . . Congress is bought and paid for. We need a third party to represent the middle class. If anybody thinks Romney gives two whoops in torment about the middle class, I've got some bridges to sell you!

    • LAG

      Only in the ass backwards America of today is achieving the American Dream and becoming rich seen as evil – ha! Do some of those "rich SOBs" get that way unethically? You bet! I'd argue there are a lot more unethical poor and middle class SOBs out there! No one EVER got a job from a poor person and no poor or middle class person EVER came close to paying as much in taxes for their fellow Americans as the rich. I am in the lower middle class, currently, with a home business and a laid off husband who just finished his college degree and I don't begrudge anyone from earning what they work for or up to.

    • Laraine

      What planet do you reside on? Sounds to me like class envy. Yes, he is rich and he should make no apology for that.
      He donates millions and doesn't ask for allocades. He wasn't given life on a silver platter-he had to work for it and work ethics he has. Romney Care was put into place for the 5% of the people who didn't have insurance. The State loved it.
      So, what is your gripe. You want life on a silver platter? Go to work and develope work ethics and you too can make an honest living. You who look down on someone because they have and you have not make me sick. Get to work!

  • agbjr

    The biggest lie perpetrated by the media this campaign is portraying Mormons (Latter Day Saints) as something other than Christians. In my life every LDS Church member I have met is truly more of a Christian than many Bible-thumping evangelicals. Every denomination has their different ways and practices but they all acknowledge Jesus Christ as Our Risen Lord and Holy Savior. I have never myself known a Mormon who would dispute that core belief.

    • Leslee

      agbjr…I was a Mormon and I was taught that Jesus is the brother of Lucifer…also that they believe that they will become gods after death and the more women they have to "procreate" with the higher their status… that being said… I am now a Christian, had to fight to get out of the LDS church, but I would still vote for Romney over Obama.

      I agree that there are many Mormons who are fine upstanding people and there are many Christians who are just as fine and upstanding… the crux of the beliefs comes down to "do you believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God or do you believe that Jesus is just one of many with Lucifer, the god of this world, being His brother?"

      • Vladimir

        Leslee, I guess it's just as hard to believe the Lucifer is Jesus' brother as it is to believe that God is our Father. Family relationships are sometimes disappointing, sometimes exciting.

  • Jerry B

    Sad to admit, but certainly true, that Just as the Living God annointed Nebuchadnedzzer to Chasten the Israelites and just as King Darius was annointed to chasten the Israelites, it seems like the Living God has annointed Obama to chastize the senuality devoid of humility in the U.S.A.

    • msjallen

      Jerry, you have it exactly correct and We the People need to take heed.
      Ezekiel 23:24 They (the enemy through warfare) will come against you with weapons, chariots and wagons, and with a company of peoples. They will set themselves against you on every side with buckler and shield and helmet; (Divine punishment) and I will commit the judgment to them, and they will judge you according to their customs. (God uses our enemies to punish us when we have forsaken His ways.)
      The warfare of our day can even be from within our Nation.

  • http://youtu.be/zjgBhpanOfQ Despeville

    Here is a video of brainwashed youth at Indiana University who with vehement hate protest against "hate" and against Christian speaking to defend "free speech rights"… It truly does not get more moronic than this display of utter stupidity between those students: Yet this is what atheism does to people…

    VIDEO: http://youtu.be/7lq5AX4lPHQ

  • Byron

    Mormonism is nothing more then a RELIGION, end of story. A Mormon President would be better then a Black President.

    • Chris

      How racist of you.

    • Evermyrtle

      It's not the race I mind it is the anti-GOD Muslim that i mind!!

      • lurl

        There are no Muslims running for president Myrtle the turtle.
        There you go again just one fabrications after another.

  • msjallen

    Psalm 37:1-10 Do not fret because of evildoers, be not envious toward wrongdoers. For they will wither quickly like the grass and fade like the green herb. Trust in the LORD, and do good; Dwell in the land and cultivate faithfulness. Delight yourself in the LORD; And He will give you the desires of your heart. Commit your way to the LORD, Trust also in Him, and He will do it. And He will bring forth your righteousness as the light and your judgment as the noonday. Rest in the LORD and wait patiently for Him; Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way, Because of the man who carries out wicked schemes. Cease from anger, and forsake wrath; Do not fret, it leads only to evildoing. For evildoers will be cut off, but those who wait for the LORD, they will inherit the land. Yet a little while and the wicked man will be no more; and you will look carefully for his place and he will not be there.
    Ps 76:10a For the wrath of man shall praise You; God uses the wrath of man to praise Him: Those with malcontent to do His will.

  • JeremiahToday

    I'm voting for THE CONSTITUTION PARTY!!! If Ron Paul doesn't make the ballot…I feel it's time for a NEW Party to get in there and make a REAL difference…I'm just afraid if Ron or Constitution Party Candidate won that they would end up like Pope John Paul I. Not John Paul II. I'm sick of the TWO Party system because it is REALLY ONE…both acting like they are opposites when both are after the SAME THING…NWO!

    • msjallen

      Jeremiah, I totally understand what you are saying but I believe we ALL should promote and work towards establishing the Constitution Party after this election unless there are enough people who will make a commitment to vote away from the D, & R parties. The R & D have become the same and one can see it in WDC at this very time. If this can be done then the Constitution Party candidate gets my vote.

    • blackhawk

      Lets get rid of Obama 1st. Otherwise we wont have another election.

    • Esteban Cafe

      Sir, that is an admirable suggestion, but it is a vote for your current president, Mr. Obama. As the others suggest, this is something best done under the (mild) protection of a conservative administration. To 'trade horses in mid-stream' is dangerous and foolish. (How I love your American aphorisms!)

  • ONTIME

    The mormons from what I know will work their tails off and they make use of capitalism and freedom in order to improve their lot. They are Utah based and send the word of God as they believe by messengers all over the world, they seem moral, competent and educated. The learn, earn and serve, the state of Utah's mormon treasury is said to be capable of running this nation for one year, I would say if that is true they know how business works and encourage their following to go forth and spread their success by preaching their belief……or you can continue to follow this halfast, halfcaste, halfwit egoist and assist him in making a even bigger mess of the economy than he already has.

    • msjallen

      ontime, Mormons depart from orthodoxy and are very deceptive. They reject the doctrine of the Trinity. They are very bizarre by the way they live including the way Joseph Smith lived. His polytheistic nightmare of garbled doctrines draped with the garments of Christian terminology. Their Theology – it is upside down. They believe that Jesus was a spirit brother with Satan and Jesus was elevated to a higher status. Some people believe they are Christians because they say the right things. They are establishment oriented but are NOT Christians according to what the Bible teaches; but they believe what the Book of Mormon teaches. There are some very nice Mormons and hard working and believe in many things we as Christians believe in as far as establishment principles go. Read Walter Martin’s book; “Kingdom of the Cults” — an eye opener. And see: http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changecontents.ht… http://www.utlm.org/navonlinebooks.htm

      • Vladimir

        Msjallen, you said, "Mormons depart from orthodoxy and are very deceptive." Are you judging? You didn't say whose "orthodoxy". There are many.

        As for rejecting the doctrine of the Trinity. That doctrine isn't in the Bible. It was invented some 300 years after the death of Christ in a meeting convened by a sun worshipper. The number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin was also discussed in that meeting.

        • msjallen

          Doctrine of the Trinity
          1. Not found in the Bible – it is a Theological word describing a Biblical concept.
          2. It describes One God in Three Persons who are revealed as God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit
          3. While God is one in essence, they are co-equal, co-eternal, and co-existence with identical essence.
          4. The Trinity is three persons in one God-head. Gal 3:20, James 2:19, Col 2:9, Acts 5:3-4, I Cor 3:16
          5. There is only one Divine Nature or Being and this Divine Being is Tri-personal involving distinctions between the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.
          6. These three persons are joint partakers of the same nature and majesty of God
          Continue next comment…

        • msjallen

          7. The same in consistence and continuing in existence.
          8. The Trinity is a true Doctrine but undiscoverable by natural reason. [It is a Spiritual phenomenon]
          9. The Trinity is described as one but they are different in persons. Eph 4:4-6
          10. 2 Cor 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all. I Pet 1:2
          11.When the Divine Essence of God is mentioned the Trinity is One, when Divine Persons are mentioned there is distinction between God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.

          • Vladimir

            Okay, Msjallen, so who was Jesus praying to in the Garden of Gethsemane? Did He foresake Himself on the cross? Is He sitting on the right hand of Himself? Did he ask Himself to forgive the Roman soldiers as He hung on the cross? Sorry, the doctrine of the Trinity is a lot of gobbleydegook thought up by a committee of 300 bishops in 325 AD and voted on. Since when is truth discovered by a majority of votes?

            It was not truth revealed by God through his prophets as is all true doctrine! It has been accepted throught the centuries by ignorant, non-critical, followers of the Catholic church. The church that would burn anyone at the stake to keep them in line with the doctrine of the Trinity and other man made concepts not in the Bible.

          • msjallen

            Doctrine of Kenosis – Jesus gave up the independent use of His Divine attributes so that in this world He could become the savior. Jesus Christ did not sustain His own deity while here on earth – the Holy Spirit sustained Him and provisions from God the Father.
            Holy Spirit prophesied for Isaiah about Jesus Christ in His humanity:
            Isaiah 11:2-3
            The Spirit of the LORD will rest on Him,
            The spirit of wisdom and understanding,
            The spirit of counsel and strength,
            The spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.
            And He will delight in the fear of the LORD,
            And He will not judge by what His eyes see,
            Nor make a decision by what His ears hear;
            Continue next comment…

          • msjallen

            Continued with the Doctrine of Kenosis
            Holy Spirit given to Jesus Christ by God the Father during His earthly ministry – Isaiah 11:2-3
            Holy Spirit related to the baptism of our Lord – Mt 3:16
            Holy Spirit related to the ministry of Jesus Christ — Mt 12:18, Luke 4:18
            Holy Spirit maintained or sustained Jesus Christ while He was taking our sins on Him on the cross – Hebrews 9:14
            Holy Spirit resurrection of the Lord – I Pet 3:18
            Holy Spirit in sustaining our Lord as part of our heritage by glorifying Jesus Christ
            Jesus spoke from His humanity while here on earth as the God/man – He is deity and He is true humanity. This includes His prayer in the Garden of Gethsemane.
            One needs to learn what the Bible teaches about God; not religion, before making false statements.

          • keyboardshark

            Vlad:

            The doctrine of the trinity:

            "21Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

            22And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."

            Jesus = The Son
            Holy Ghost = Holy Spirit
            Voice from heaven = The Father

          • Vladimir

            Your explanation of the doctrine of the trinity makes sense, but isn't what those 325 bishops invented in 300 AD. What they come up with is what msjallen is cutting and posting. I am quite sure she doesn't understand it. It's for sure that she can't explain it to me or to anyone for that matter.

          • keyboardshark

            Oops, I forgot the Scripture reference. It's Luke 3:21-22. Yeah, I don't know anything about whatever explanation those 325 bishops invented, whoever they were. I just stick with the plain verses from the Bible.

  • David

    Ron Paul 2012 – no to all the rest. We all have First Amendment rights, which include freedom of religion. Let's not play "judge and jury" based on someone's religion – they have a right to their beliefs, just like you have a right to yours. Read Matthew 7:1 "Judge not lest ye be judged yourself". Treat everyone equally and dont "look down" on someone who doesn't believe the same way that you do. Fair enough?

  • Carol Goodwin

    I hate no one but I feel empathy for those who for too many years married so many wives and had as many children as they could all against the laws of God. They follow a human, Joseph Smith who lied so many times and is why the best rule I follow is the one which says it is better to put your faith in God than in any man! Mormons do not believe that Jesus is the true Son Of God ! they actually believe that Jesus visited Joseph Smith right here inthe United States! Now if I can convince them I have some water front property in AZ I would like to sell them, I could have my financial troubles fixed!
    I, too am a die hard RON PAUL supporter as he is the only candidate who stands by his word year after year! He is not one of the filthy rich who has made his money at the losses of others. Then there is that defenseless Irish setter Mitt tortured and I cannot forget about this kind of cruelty of anyone of azny '"faith".

    • Vladimir

      Oops! Carol you are so wrong. Check out the first article of faith. Jesus Christ is the true Son of God! No ifs ands or buts. Better check your facts.

      • msjallen

        From a Morman: "This is exactly what we Latter Day Saints believe, with the only difference being that we believe he bore our sins in the Garden of Gethsemane". Where in the Bible does it say Jesus Christ took our sins in Him in the Garden of Gethsemane?
        He Himself bore our sins in His body on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness; for by His wounds you were healed. (1 Peter 2:24)

        • Vladimir

          Msjallen, I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. I took issue with Carol's statement that "Mormons do not believe that Jesus is the true Son of God". She evidently is not aware of the 1st Article of Faith which states that "We believe in God the Eternal Father and in his son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost."

          It is my understanding that the ATONEMENT that Jesus performed, started in the Garden of Gethsemane and finished when He resurrected Himself from the dead. Others may select a specific event therein such as His voluntary death on the cross, but that doesn't mean that Mormons don't believe that Jesus Christ isn't the true son of God. We believe that He is the true son of God!

          • msjallen

            Why do you not capitalize “son” in your comment? I don’t believe one can pick and choose what part of the suffering and dying of Christ on the cross for their salvation. To be specific, when all the sins of mankind were imputed to Him the last three hours on the cross by God the Father is when salvation was accomplished. He was our sacrificial lamb who redeemed us from the slave market of sin and when we believe in the work He did on the cross as portrayed by the shadow sacrifices of the OT we are saved. He was the last Adam who saved us through His spiritual death on the cross when He was separated from God and sustained by the Holy Spirit. After He said, “It is finished” He bowed His head and breathed His last breath. His resurrection three days later gives believers the assurance of eternal life with Him in eternity.

          • Vladimir

            Msjallen, not capitalizing "son" was a typo. I don't have any problems with the rest of your post. That should give you some pause about what you think Mormons believe.

          • msjallen

            Mormons do not believe in the ONE TRUE TRIUNE GOD. Mormons are polytheists and believe that the FATHER, SON and HOLY SPIRIT are three separate gods. Mormons do not believe that GOD is omnipresent. Mormons believe that the FATHER is skin and bones. Mormons believe that GOD is a progressive being and in fact is not perfect from the beginning. Mormons believe that through their good works on earth they will in fact become gods and rule over their own planets. Mormons do not believe in the 100% redeeming grace of JESUS’ crucifixion and resurrection for all who accept HIM as their MESSIAH. Mormons do not believe that JESUS is eternal but was born mortal through a physical sexual act between GOD and Mary, and became the holy through HIS sinlessness. Mormons believe that Satan and JESUS are spiritual brothers. Mormons believe that one cannot get to the FATHER through baptism and yet their un-baptized relatives can be redeemed after death through proxy baptism. Mormons believe that their gospel was given to them by the angel Maroni. Mormons believe that their books, “The Pearl of Great Wisdom,” “The Book of Mormon” and “The Doctrine and Covenants,” are of higher authority than the Holy Bible.

          • Vladimir

            Polytheists, meaning many gods, is not accurate. We believe in God the Eternal Father and in His Son, Jesus Christ and in the Holy Ghost. Last time I counted, that was three. We refer to them as the Godhead, ONE in purpose. Neither God the Father nor Jesus Christ are omnipresent, but they are omniscient. Their influence is omnipresent, via the Holy Ghost. They both have bodies of flesh and bone. Perhaps you believe Jesus laid down his body a second time? You are also wrong when you say Mormons don't believe in Jesus' ability to redeem all who accept Him as their Messiah (and repent of their sins). You are wrong when you say Mormons do not believe Jesus is eternal. As for Lucifer and Jesus being brothers, ask yourself who created Lucifer. Lucifer turned himself into Satan by rebelling against Father. Some earthly parents can relate to that. The rest of your post is suspect, too. Your comments on baptism make no sense to me. Moroni revealed the location of the gold plates not the Gospel of Jesus Christ. No scripture is of higher authority than any other.

          • msjallen

            Your comment is contradictory and very confusing. The Bible, the Word of God and no other gives mankind the way of salvation and how to live the Christian/Spiritual way of life. Momanism IS a cult and your Jesus is not the same Jesus as is in the Word of God, the Bible.

          • Vladimir

            Mormons believe that God didn't stop revealing His will to His children just because some people declare that He did. The "horrible" thought that there exists other revelations from God is, in fact, exciting. But you believe the thin arguments made by people who have a vested interest that there be no further revelation. How many clergy are unemployed now because there are 14 million church goers whose donation don't go into the pockets of their religious leaders?

          • msjallen

            (From an LDS person [not me] who converted to Christianity-thank God.) if you are told by your leader to do a thing, do it, none of your business whether it is right or wrong" (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 32). The LDS are told by their leaders to believe things such as this and they DO NOT QUESTION IT. If the bible says something different it MUST be a translation error and cannot be trusted. I was raised LDS and it was quite a struggle to get out. First step, disobey Journal of Discourses vol 6 p. 32. Start questioning beliefs. Gain a true testimony of the bible and test what the Prophet and leaders say by the Word of God. Not test the Word of God by what the Prophet and Apostles say. The LDS have it backwards. The fact that LDS believe Lucifer and Jesus are brothers is just the tip of the iceberg.
            Source(s): LDS 20 years converted to Christianity. Praise be to God! http://www.equip.org/articles/the-book-of-mormon-…

          • Vladimir

            I've never met an ex-Mormon who understood the Restored Gospel of Jesus Christ. Why are they a former Mormon? Did they get excommunicated for immorality? Or for teaching false doctrine? Or did they just fall away. If you believe an ex-Mormon over one who is currently living the standards of the church, you must want to be deceived.

  • Vladimir

    If you don't vote AGAINST Obama, you are playing on his team.

  • Carol Goodwin

    Excuse me…… of any faith! Mitt is a mean and vendictive man……

  • Librtyship

    As far as I am concerned Mormonism,while not being really anything more than a man made cult type of thing, when it comes to sheer evil it is nowhere near Islam in the amount of damage it does!

    • msjallen

      Religion and leglism can bring down a nation just like it did when Jesus Christ was here on earth and had to deal the religious leaders; the Pharisees. Israel fell in 70 AD because of their religious apostasy rejecting Jesus Christ as their savior. The same thing can happen to the USA if we follow a false religion of any kind and that includes Mormanism.
      Read Walter Martin’s book; “Kingdom of the Cults” — an eye opener. And see: http://www.utlm.org/onlinebooks/changecontents.ht… http://www.utlm.org/navonlinebooks.htm

      • Vladimir

        Msjallen, Mormons declare to the world that Jesus Christ is the savior of all mankind. You are wrong again.

        • msjallen

          Vladimir, you declare one thing but the Mormon faith says another… http://www.utlm.org/navonlinebooks.htm
          The truth is in the written doctrine of Mormonism as to what they teach and believe. It is very confusing to Christians.

          • Vladimir

            Msjallen, point to the specific written doctrine of Mormonism that rejects Jesus Christ as the savior. The only things that I can find say just the opposite. By the way, Mormons consider themselves Christians. They even named their church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and every Sunday they renew their covenant to take upon themselves the name of Jesus Christ, always remember Him and keep His commandments which He has given them. How beautiful, to take upon oneself the name of Jesus Christ. That is the very essense of being a Christian, especially when you always remember Him and keep His commandants.

          • msjallen

            BTW, who died for the Book of Mormon? Furthermore, from your quote, “…every Sunday they renew their covenant to take upon themselves the name of Jesus Christ, always remember Him and keep His commandments which He has given them. How beautiful, to take upon oneself the name of Jesus Christ”; but ritual without reality is meaningless.
            This and the following information will be my final comments. I am not here to convince you to believe my way and I will never believe the false teaching of Mormonism. I just pray that you will come to the truth of the Word of God and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ of the Bible.

          • msjallen

            To quote one Mormon apologist: “Latter-day Saints are Christians because they emphatically believe in Christ, use His name in their official church title, and believe in the Bible and the Book of Mormon which testify repeatedly of the reality of Christ and the truth of His teachings.” Jesus Christ, no doubt, plays a central role in Mormon theology. However, Paul warns that to be a Christian, one must believe in the true Christ—the Jesus of the Bible—and not another Jesus. In fact, we would all agree with the late Mormon apostle Bruce R. McConkie when he says, “it matters not that people simply say they believe in Christ, or think they are followers of Moses, or the Apostles. What counts is the reality.” And the reality is that Mormons believe in a Jesus vastly different than the Jesus of the Bible.

          • msjallen

            You see, Mormonism teaches that Jesus is just one of countless other gods—a belief known as polytheism. Now, a Mormon may try to deny being a polytheist by affirming the existence of other gods, while in the same breath worshipping only God the Father. However, don’t forget Christ’s proclamation in Mark chapter 12—that God’s most important commandment is to recognize that there is only one God and only one Lord.

          • msjallen

            Where does this leave Jesus in Mormon Theology? Well, Mormons say they believe that Jesus is Jehovah, the LORD, the God of Israel, yet they refuse to pray to Him, as Jehovah Himself commands in the Old Testament (cf. Deut. 4:7; 2 Chron. 7:14; Ps. 5:2; 32:6; Jer. 29:7,12)—the same Jehovah who knows of no other God besides Himself, the One worshipped and honored by all true Christians (Ex. 34:14; cf. Matt. 2:11; 14:33; Luke 24:52). And so, judging by its own teachings, Mormonism cannot be rightly considered Christian.

          • Vladimir

            Jesus taught us to pray to "Our Father who art in heaven." He didn't say to pray to "the Jesus standing before you". Mormons pray to God the Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ.

            You say Mormons believe in "another" Jesus. But there was only one Jesus Christ who atoned for our sins. Only one Jesus Christ born of the virgin Mary and only one Jesus Christ who ascended into heaven to sit at the right hand of God. If we know more about Him than those who do not accept modern revelation, that is to be expected. But you can't say it is another Jesus. That is a ploy by ministers who must attract congregations to stay employed and theologians who write books for money and stature. They know Mormons don't pay their clergy, so there's no employment there. They have no choice but to fight against the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints for "poaching" their members.

            "Another Jesus" is a thin device, indeed. Only the ignorant fall for it.

  • Madeline

    I would rather vote for a Mormon then a Muslim.

    • lurl

      Why? In the United States a Muslim who was born here could become president.
      So if you don't vote for a Mormon. I take it you will be voting for Our President Obama who has been accused of being a Muslim.

    • Vladimir

      I would rather not vote for Harry Reid.

  • eric jones

    I am concerned about Romney for this reason Doctrine of Covenants says" God is on another Planet with multiple wives" .Yike !!!! ,we dont want this man with these beliefs as President .Their religion is definitely not Christian .We have documented "manuscripts for our Scriptures" not Golden Plates that "Vanished" into thin air .Eric Jones

    • Curious

      ….and where EXACTLY is this quote in the Doctrine and Covenants?? Couldn't find it…

    • lurl

      Eric,
      You have documented manuscripts for your scriptures? You have a collection of myths, fables, fairy tales and lies that are used to control your every move. You believe you are an xian and the Mormon community also believes they are xian. Who are you to say they are not?

  • simon says

    Mormons – Evangelicals – Catholics – Politicians – The Media . ''who cares'' it's all one and the same mish mash .
    if you don't think so ….well then you also believe in Spiderman and Superman , and that Elvis was seen yesterday
    at the local mall or that a certain Joseph Smith dug up a tree and found a set of golden plates that told him he should run for the Presidency….what a joke . !!

    • Vladimir

      Simon, it's your joke. Can't say it's accurate either.

      • simon says

        well Vladimir…why don't you go and get yourself educated on this issues of life first and then come and tell me that
        what i say is not accurate . Listen , reading and studying the gospel of Christ for the past 35 years i have come to
        understand that politics and true Biblical religion don't mix . For one Christ never allowed himself to be involved
        in the political issues of His day , why do you think he said ''Render unto Caesar the thing's that are Caesar's ; and unto God the thing's that are God's.'' Matt 22:21. and also in John 18:36 ''Jesus answered my Kingdom is not of this world.''
        And further more Christ always resisted people wanting to make him King . So unless people follow this very important principles laid by Christ Himself sorry to say , their homage to Chris't is only superficial .

  • Grant

    God help us! One worship the devil when he took part of the book: 'Rules for the Revolution' by Saul Alinsky…this book was dedicated to 'Lucifer' (check it out on the web…) and the other one worship a 'man with a dream'…unless something gets put out of a hat, I guess I'll for the lesser of 'two evil(s)'…

    • lurl

      Certainly we must all approve of Dr. Saul Alinsky being one of the major prophets. Perhaps you need to do further study into why Dr.Alinsky made his dedication to Lucifer!!!!!!!

  • Grant

    Which reminds me I went on a mission trip for about a month that involved going to SW-Utah and Wyoming. I couldn't believe 'how' the Mormons have taking over those two states…! Businesses/churches/schools. If you didn't join up with them and make a contribution toward their 'religion', they will absolutely make your life H E double LL! You would lose your business, much less your name in town…just unreal…!

    • lurl

      What you are saying is not true. Unless you are in a Mormon compound you won't find the whole area controlled by the LDS Church.
      Utah is a pretty nice state to work in.

  • Jasmine

    Leslee,
    I am a little surprised with your question, especially your being a member of the LDS church at some point in your life as you say.

    You said…“I agree that there are many Mormons who are fine upstanding people and there are many Christians who are just as fine and upstanding… the crux of the beliefs comes down to "do you believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God or do you believe that Jesus is just one of many with Lucifer, the god of this world, being His brother?"

    As a previous member you should be aware that … we believe that we are all brothers and sisters in the spirit (Read again the Book of Abraham) – but most critical to understand is that we believe that Jesus Christ is the Firstborn, Only Begotten and one and only literal Son of God ~ He created all things and was made flesh, He is our Mediator, Intercessor, Exemplar & Redeemer. The Godhead – three separate, but Distinct Beings, but One in Mind, Will & Purpose ~ Remember Our 1st Article of Faith which defines the Godhead?: 1 We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.

    1 Corinthians 8:6 5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) 6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

    ¶"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

    The relationship between Father and Son & Jesus mission is clear in Jesus' Intercessory Prayer to His Father :

    John 17:5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
    (Christ is the Word, John 1:1)

    22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:

    23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

    24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. (Rev. 13:8 ~ the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world)
    25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
    26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love where with thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.

    1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
    20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory (John 17: 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was); that your faith and hope might be in God.

    John 17:6
    I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word. (God of Israel ~ and those also by adoption)

    Luke 1:68
    68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel (Jesus Christ); for he hath visited and redeemed his people,…

    Respectfully,
    Jas

    • lurl

      Who wrote the Book of Mormon? Where do 'good' Mormons go after death?

  • lurl

    Carol,
    You do not know the real Ron Paul, M. D. He is a multimillionaire from in investments in medical corporations and from all the Ob/Gyn work he has done.
    Anytime you think he is a great anti abortion person you would need to check with the TX medical records review on Dr. Paul. He has done hundreds of abortions without batting an eye. In fact he has given many a lecture to residents on a healthy abortion rate can help you do what you want with your life.
    He has lived a very affluent life. Not one to flaunt his positions but that is what he is and what he has done and still has his hands in.
    Doesn't bother me and I do admire him for his sticking to doing what was best for him and for his patients.

  • lurl

    Carol,
    You do not know the real Ron Paul, M. D. He is a multimillionaire from in investments in medical corporations and from all the Ob/Gyn work he has done.
    Anytime you think he is a great anti abortion person you would need to check with the TX medical records review on Dr. Paul. He has done hundreds of abortions without batting an eye. In fact he has given many a lecture to residents on a healthy abortion rate can help you do what you want with your life.
    He has lived a very affluent life. Not one to flaunt his positions but that is what he is and what he has done and still has his hands in.
    Doesn't bother me and I do admire him for his sticking to doing what was best for him and for his patients.

  • Vladimir

    And you, Carol Goodwin, appear to be judgemental without evidence.