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		<title>By: Despeville</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-crackdown-on-american-nuns/#comment-147400</link>
		<dc:creator>Despeville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You welcome. I hope you have seen it. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You welcome. I hope you have seen it. </p>
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		<title>By: tbone</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-crackdown-on-american-nuns/#comment-147397</link>
		<dc:creator>tbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Apr 2012 15:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks Despeville. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Despeville. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Dixon</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-crackdown-on-american-nuns/#comment-145864</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Dixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 00:42:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Matthew 15:21-28. 
                 
Jesus left that place and went away to the district of Tyre and Sidon.  Just then a Canaanite woman from that region came out and started shouting, &quot;Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is tormented by a demon.&quot; But he did not answer her at all. And his disciples came and urged him, saying, &quot;Send her away, for she keeps shouting after us.&quot;  He answered, &quot;I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.&quot; But she came and knelt before him, saying, &quot;Lord, help me.&quot; He answered, &quot;It is not fair to take the children&#039;s food  and throw it to the dogs.&quot; She said, &quot;Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters&#039; table.&quot; Then Jesus answered her, &quot;Woman, great is your faith! Let it be done for you as you wish.&quot; And her daughter was healed instantly. 
 
So it seems that in this fable Jesus was willing to give what is holy to a &quot;dog&quot;. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matthew 15:21-28. </p>
<p>Jesus left that place and went away to the district of Tyre and Sidon.  Just then a Canaanite woman from that region came out and started shouting, &quot;Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is tormented by a demon.&quot; But he did not answer her at all. And his disciples came and urged him, saying, &quot;Send her away, for she keeps shouting after us.&quot;  He answered, &quot;I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.&quot; But she came and knelt before him, saying, &quot;Lord, help me.&quot; He answered, &quot;It is not fair to take the children&#039;s food  and throw it to the dogs.&quot; She said, &quot;Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters&#039; table.&quot; Then Jesus answered her, &quot;Woman, great is your faith! Let it be done for you as you wish.&quot; And her daughter was healed instantly. </p>
<p>So it seems that in this fable Jesus was willing to give what is holy to a &quot;dog&quot;. </p>
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		<title>By: lurl</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-crackdown-on-american-nuns/#comment-145857</link>
		<dc:creator>lurl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Apr 2012 00:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Myrtle the turtle: 
Speaking of making sense you never do.  So you too, must sign in as confused. 
Please call yourself confusion in action. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myrtle the turtle:<br />
Speaking of making sense you never do.  So you too, must sign in as confused.<br />
Please call yourself confusion in action. </p>
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		<title>By: @lambsev11</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-crackdown-on-american-nuns/#comment-145806</link>
		<dc:creator>@lambsev11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 19:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is not the nuns who are the problem, it is the celibate priesthood which all but begs for adultery, pedophilia and pederasty.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is not the nuns who are the problem, it is the celibate priesthood which all but begs for adultery, pedophilia and pederasty.  </p>
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		<title>By: Buck</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-crackdown-on-american-nuns/#comment-145543</link>
		<dc:creator>Buck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 03:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Catholic or not , no one in the demonrat party can claim to be a Christian while supporting that parties plank and secular politics without condemning themselves to he-- by going against GODS never changing word  .  Our LORD does not adjust the word to suit us ,  his word is never changing , and using lawyers tricks and prevaricarions to twist the meaning to suit themselves like they do with the US constitution will certainly not rest well with him . ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catholic or not , no one in the demonrat party can claim to be a Christian while supporting that parties plank and secular politics without condemning themselves to he&#8211; by going against GODS never changing word  .  Our LORD does not adjust the word to suit us ,  his word is never changing , and using lawyers tricks and prevaricarions to twist the meaning to suit themselves like they do with the US constitution will certainly not rest well with him . </p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-crackdown-on-american-nuns/#comment-145519</link>
		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 01:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If any man takes a bribe to issue a  declaration of nullity against what is in fact a valid marriage, I dare say it is worse than simony.  At least simony is an abuse of an actual power granted to their office, but whoever issues a decree of nullity against a valid marriage is committing blasphemy, because he is attempting to declare null what God has joined.  He becomes a partner to adultery, because he encourages an invalid marriage against a valid one.  There are only two things that can dissolve a valid marriage: the first is death, and the second is that the marriage was not sacramental, but rather between two unbelievers.  However, the marriage of two baptized Christians, validly contracted, cannot be dissolved except by death (this also applies to two people who were unbelievers when they married, but were baptized as husband and wife, assuming there is no impediment). 
 
That said, there are impediments that can render an alleged marriage invalid.  Divorce must not be on the table, therefore it is invalid for a couple to enter into marriage with a prenuptual agreement in effect.  Fidelity must be intended, so while subsequent adultery cannot invalidate a marriage, one cannot validly enter into marriage intending to commit adultery.  The marriage must be possible to consummate, so men cannot enter into marriage with ED that cannot be treated with medication so as to enable the marital act, nor can someone whose genitals have been mutilated (whether by self, by another&#039;s malice or by disease or accidental injury) to the point where the marital act is rendered impossible.  Fertility must be accepted, so it is invalid to enter into marriage refusing to be a parent.  Polygamy is liturgically impossible, so someone who has been validly and sacramentally married cannot enter into another marriage while the first spouse still lives.  Marriage must be entered into by the willing and competent, so fraud, duress, abduction, insanity, ignorance (of what marriage is) and being below the minimum age invalidate a marriage.  Incest is forbidden, so a marriage between those of a forbidden degree of consanguinity is invalid. 
 
I must make abundantly clear, to invalidate a marriage an impediment must have existed at the time the putative marriage was contracted, even if it not discovered until later.  No subsequent action after the marriage can alter its validity.  If an impediment is discovered later and has since been resolved, then the couple are free to marry each other validly.  If an impediment is discovered later and the couple will not or cannot resolve it, they shall be free to marry another, but they must confess any guilt they may have incurred from attempting to contract or remain in an invalid marriage (this varies depending on the knowledge and understanding of the impediment in question). ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If any man takes a bribe to issue a  declaration of nullity against what is in fact a valid marriage, I dare say it is worse than simony.  At least simony is an abuse of an actual power granted to their office, but whoever issues a decree of nullity against a valid marriage is committing blasphemy, because he is attempting to declare null what God has joined.  He becomes a partner to adultery, because he encourages an invalid marriage against a valid one.  There are only two things that can dissolve a valid marriage: the first is death, and the second is that the marriage was not sacramental, but rather between two unbelievers.  However, the marriage of two baptized Christians, validly contracted, cannot be dissolved except by death (this also applies to two people who were unbelievers when they married, but were baptized as husband and wife, assuming there is no impediment). </p>
<p>That said, there are impediments that can render an alleged marriage invalid.  Divorce must not be on the table, therefore it is invalid for a couple to enter into marriage with a prenuptual agreement in effect.  Fidelity must be intended, so while subsequent adultery cannot invalidate a marriage, one cannot validly enter into marriage intending to commit adultery.  The marriage must be possible to consummate, so men cannot enter into marriage with ED that cannot be treated with medication so as to enable the marital act, nor can someone whose genitals have been mutilated (whether by self, by another&#039;s malice or by disease or accidental injury) to the point where the marital act is rendered impossible.  Fertility must be accepted, so it is invalid to enter into marriage refusing to be a parent.  Polygamy is liturgically impossible, so someone who has been validly and sacramentally married cannot enter into another marriage while the first spouse still lives.  Marriage must be entered into by the willing and competent, so fraud, duress, abduction, insanity, ignorance (of what marriage is) and being below the minimum age invalidate a marriage.  Incest is forbidden, so a marriage between those of a forbidden degree of consanguinity is invalid. </p>
<p>I must make abundantly clear, to invalidate a marriage an impediment must have existed at the time the putative marriage was contracted, even if it not discovered until later.  No subsequent action after the marriage can alter its validity.  If an impediment is discovered later and has since been resolved, then the couple are free to marry each other validly.  If an impediment is discovered later and the couple will not or cannot resolve it, they shall be free to marry another, but they must confess any guilt they may have incurred from attempting to contract or remain in an invalid marriage (this varies depending on the knowledge and understanding of the impediment in question). </p>
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		<title>By: myth buster</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-crackdown-on-american-nuns/#comment-145516</link>
		<dc:creator>myth buster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2012 01:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know not of what you speak.  You willfully distort the person you quote.  Who was suggesting that it is anything but God&#039;s grace that makes us righteous?  No, the only thing that quote meant was that piety and charity are the fruits that our faith produces, and a great service to God. 
 
As for nunnery itself, are you unaware that the Scriptures encourage the unmarried to swear off marriage and the widowed to swear off remarriage?  Celibacy is a higher calling than marriage, and to those who can handle it, it is a great blessing.  Among those capable of marriage (that is, physically capable of performing the marital act, mentally capable of understanding and freely entering into marriage and having reached the age of maturity), no one is forbidden to marry unless he or she has placed that obligation on him/herself.  However, if you make a vow to the Lord, you must keep it.  Therefore, those who pledge their virginity to the Lord must remain virgins until death or the Second Coming. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know not of what you speak.  You willfully distort the person you quote.  Who was suggesting that it is anything but God&#039;s grace that makes us righteous?  No, the only thing that quote meant was that piety and charity are the fruits that our faith produces, and a great service to God. </p>
<p>As for nunnery itself, are you unaware that the Scriptures encourage the unmarried to swear off marriage and the widowed to swear off remarriage?  Celibacy is a higher calling than marriage, and to those who can handle it, it is a great blessing.  Among those capable of marriage (that is, physically capable of performing the marital act, mentally capable of understanding and freely entering into marriage and having reached the age of maturity), no one is forbidden to marry unless he or she has placed that obligation on him/herself.  However, if you make a vow to the Lord, you must keep it.  Therefore, those who pledge their virginity to the Lord must remain virgins until death or the Second Coming. </p>
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		<title>By: Despeville</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/04/19/vatican-orders-crackdown-on-american-nuns/#comment-145495</link>
		<dc:creator>Despeville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well the next verse so aptly omitted by the advocates of this type of bible collage is important here... 
 
&#039; Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces. &quot; 
~ Matthew 7:6 
 
If one cannot &quot;judge&quot; i.e. discern how is one to determine who is a &quot;dog&quot; or a &quot;pig&quot; i.e. unbeliever? Besides you quoting this to me is a form of &quot;judging&quot; is it not? So you tell me to nor to judge while you judge and all of that with Scriptural abuse violating the context... ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the next verse so aptly omitted by the advocates of this type of bible collage is important here&#8230; </p>
<p>&#039; Do not give what is holy to dogs or throw your pearls before pigs; otherwise they will trample them under their feet and turn around and tear you to pieces. &quot;<br />
~ Matthew 7:6 </p>
<p>If one cannot &quot;judge&quot; i.e. discern how is one to determine who is a &quot;dog&quot; or a &quot;pig&quot; i.e. unbeliever? Besides you quoting this to me is a form of &quot;judging&quot; is it not? So you tell me to nor to judge while you judge and all of that with Scriptural abuse violating the context&#8230; </p>
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