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The Future of Middle East Christians

The Middle East is known to be the both the birthplace of Christianity and the current home to some of the world's most ancient Christian communities. But Christianity’s rich history in this region is not enough to secure its future. In the past decades, a combination of low birth rates, extensive emigration and growing persecution has contributed to the decline in both the size and visibility of Middle Eastern Christian communities.

In this context, the arrival of the Arab Spring and the subsequent rise of Islamist movements in the region may threaten the already precarious equilibrium between Christian minorities and their host nations. Some worried observers have noted that the political ascent of more radical streams of Islamism—like the Salafist movement—might have a negative impact on the region's capacity to deal with its own sectarian and religious minorities. What's more, with the post–regime-change phase being a time of internal instability and volatility, preexisting cleavages within society are likely to be heightened, increasing the potential for internal violence against minorities.

Iraq is the best example of the relation between postconflict stabilization and violence against minorities. Since 2003, the Iraqi Christian community—whose presence dates as far back as the second century A.D.—increasingly has became the target of violent attacks, resulting in a dramatic decline, allegedly from a population between seven hundred thousand and 1.4 million to one as low as four hundred thousand. An October 2010 massacre at Baghdad’s Our Lady of Salvation Church that left fifty-eight people dead raised the issue of the Iraqi Christian community’s safety in the aftermath of the U.S. withdrawal.

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  • Evermyrtle

    The WORD OF GOD tells of this decline of the keeping HIS WORD AND HIS LAWS in the end days. We need to pray for HIS people there, that they will not bow to this evil, for the strength needed and that HE will continue to supply them with whatever they need, like faith, courage, food, shelter and for all of their other needs. I believe the situation is disparate, now.

    • lambsev

      agree

  • bighoss

    Perhaps the proliferating ranks of Christian Zionists in this country could put their lives and hopes where their ragged theology is and migrate to the Middle East to bulk up the numbers of Christians there as they await the alleged Rapture and Tribulation. That way, they could secure a front row seat at the alleged End Times Battle of Armageddon!

    • Evermyrtle

      As far as what any of us believe it makes no difference to what is coming. It will be here in spite of what we believe. This will not keep us from getting into the conclusion of the WORKS OF GOD, we will meet our MAKER face to face and hear his pronouncement. It will be one of two things for each of us. It may be, "You have been a good and faithful servant" or it may be "Depart from me, I never knew you." We need to get ready for that day.

    • lambsev

      I'm ready to go if you will pay for my airfare. But more seriously bighoss, are you a christian? If you are and you read the Bible with the Holy Spirit guiding, you will have to conclude that God is guiding all things in the middle east according to His eternal plan and purposes: that all men know He is God the Lord, and that the apple of His eye: Israel, be restored to saving faith in there Messiah Jesus.

      • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

        I would like to know who gives you right to question other faith so quickly without actually knowing what others believe? And from all the things you dare to question other's faith because he does not hold to your eschatology? From all things that are way more important like the nature of God, Divinity of Jesus Christ, nature of man and nature of sanctification or a sinner before Holy God you have decide to make a secondary or tertiary issue eschatology a deciding factor of someone's faith? Do you realize how misinformed and confused you are in doing this notwithstanding the nature of your pulp fiction eschatology? Repent from that.

        • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

          " nature of sanctification or a sinner before Holy God" should be " nature of justification of a sinner before Holy God"

        • lambsev

          Despeville, you appear to be the pot calling the kettle black. Here is your post that I responded to:

          "Perhaps the proliferating ranks of Christian Zionists in this country could put their lives and hopes where their ragged theology is and migrate to the Middle East to bulk up the numbers of Christians there as they await the alleged Rapture and Tribulation. That way, they could secure a front row seat at the alleged End Times Battle of Armageddon!"

          Talk about talking down your nose (at Christian Zionists and dispensationaIists). I think you must be a preterist amillenialist. So now that i have been bold enough to just straight out ask you of your faith how can you fault me having yourself so snidely referred to mine?

          Nevertheless, I won't hold a grudge against you for your belief.

          • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

            Listen, in difference to you Hoss and me have been here for a long for a time and time again and do know what other people who post here frequently believe in terms of Triune God, Jesus, justification, nature of man and other primary things of faith. Eschatology is not one of those things, it is not of salvific importance at least for the most part. The quote from Hoss cannot be equated with your haphazard condemnation of Hoss' faith for he does not allude to that but only to eschatological errors Zionists do make. He knows better than you and you refuse to be corrected in your empty rhetorical limbo.

          • lambsev11

            The future is perhaps less of a problem for the saved. But for the unsaved, particularly the unsaved Jew, the future is critical. The nations and it's armies are gathering now against Israel. The future of the Jewish people in their land is in Jewish eyes uncertain. And without the assurance of their Jewish Messiah Jesus they are still under spiritual oppression and fear of death. Consider that these verses following were written by a Jew to Jews in the first century:

            Hebrews 2
            9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.  10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.  11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,  12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.  13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me. 14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;  15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.  16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.  17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.


            The Jewish second Person of the Trinity has not, has NOT abandoned His kin. Nor has Abba Father. They have the same promise of salvation through Jesus if they trust Him. And additionally they have the promises made to their fathers Abraham, Isaac and Israel, as well as many other saved Jews of the Old Testament.

          • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

            "The Jewish second Person of the Trinity has not, has NOT abandoned His kin."

            That is a man's fables and spin and not the Biblical truth BECAUSE:

            "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise."

            ~Galatians 3:28-29 ESV

            "And additionally they have the promises made to their fathers Abraham, Isaac and Israel, as well as many other saved Jews of the Old Testament."

            Those promises were made to His children BY FAITH and not by DNA real or alluded…

            Hebrews 2 fragment speaks about the atonement and I am not sure what you are trying to do with it.

          • Eric

            I'm kind of really interested to know how one "talks down his nose." That sounds like a pretty difficult gravity-defying, face-rearranging type of feat. :-)

          • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

            Yea and interesting inconsistency here:

            "talks down his nose." versus "having yourself so snidely referred to mine"

            So apparently Hoss is talking down while Lamsev is talking "up" except his rhetoric does not hold to that claim when juxtaposed with itself as above.

          • bighoss

            lambsev, kindly give credit where credit is due. You quoted MY post as having come from Despeville. You need to read more carefully. Despeville and I are in obvious agreement on eschatological concepts, but it was I, not he, who posted the material you quoted.

          • lambsev11

            you are correct, you made those remarks and I commented, then DESPEVILLE responded to my comment to you! It is easy to get off track, and if it is necessary you will forgive me, yes?

  • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

    Most Evangelicals in this country enchanted and swayed by Dispensational Zionism shamefully forget that the State of Israel actively oppresses Jewish Christians as it is documented here in this video made by one of main channels of Israeli TV:

    http://youtu.be/1E7Ruusn1QM

    Now if this is happening to Israeli citizens of Jewish background think what is happening to Israeli citizens of Arab background who are also Christians or to Christian Arabs who live and work in Israel and who are not citizens of this state?
    There are over 1.7 mln Arab citizens of the state of Israel and about 200K of them are Christians… Think about that the next time you will support Israeli military operation in which your Christian Brothers and Sisters will be either targeted or affected with violent and frequently deadly results.

  • lambsev

    Nevertheless God still loves the children of Abraham, Isaac and Israel. He swayed the gentile powers to give Israel to the Jews for a homeland in 1948. My question to you Despeville, is this: Why are 2,000,000,000 (2 billion) Muslims afraid of 17,000,000 (17 million) Jews? The answer is that the God of Israel, Isaac and Abraham is not the god of Muhammed. Satan is the god of Muhammed. So we should all be at ease for God, as he always has, will keep His promises. He will bring Israel to saving faith in the Messiah Jesus and bring human mortality to an end! All's well that ends well, unless you refuse Jesus.

    • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

      A. I do not think they are "afraid" of them. They hate them which is of course evil but do remember that not all Muslims actually hate Israel like that.

      B. There is 7.6 mln Israeli citizens as of today and only about 75% of them are actually Jewish which is 5.7 million.

      C. Indeed, Islam is a satanic religion but so is current Talmudic Judaism of Jews which ought not to be confused with Biblical Judaism of Abraham. Read that 1 John 2:22-23 please and over and over too…

      D. Israel of God is not based on ethnicity, DNA or heritage or religiosity. That is also in the Bible in so many places. Just two for now: Romans 2:28-29 and Galatians 3:28-29

      • Dionesius3

        I must say I have to agree, 1John2:22-23 draws a clear distinction. Those who deny Christ are not God's people. And the Romans and Galatians passages clearly indicate that it is not those who say they are Jews that are in fact Jews but it is those who live it out in their lives._As for God keeping his promises, I think lambsev has an interesting affliction that comes from trying to find answers where there are no answers. God is indeed in control and will fulfil his promises, but how and through what means we are not told. We are only told the signs that will point to them being fulfilled.

        • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

          Indeed and as far as promise given to Abraham and his offspring which is really offspring by faith and not by human seed ponder on these words:

          "For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would inherit THE WORLD was not fulfilled through the law, but through the righteousness that comes by faith."
          ~ Romans 4:13

          See no proponent of dispensational Zionism can faithfully explain this passage, for for them to be consistent and maintain to believe that current state of Israel is either fulfillment or partial fulfillment of land promise given to Abraham and his descendants they must assume that the state of Israel will extend and capture THE WORLD as above Word clearly teaches and in the context of Abrahamic promise too. That of course is complete nonsense yet clearly a conclusion of dispensational teachings which they will not admit and own up to for they want to have their cake on a coffee table and eat it too… :)

          • lambsev11

            I'm not saying that the Jews who refuse Jesus will be saved or inherit the world. But those who do WILL inherit the world. And they will share it with the gentiles who have also trusted Jesus Christ for salvation and as Lord. We are all on level ground, all have sinned. The question is this: will a great end time awakening of national Israel come to pass as many "Zionists" believe? I say YES it will. The fullness of the gentile will come and then all Israel will be saved. Is "all Israel" the gentile church? There is precious little to convince me it is so. Gentiles do not become Jewish by receiving Jesus. The become save gentiles. Jews do not lose their blood connection to the Messiah through Mary, or their legal connection through Joseph. The simply also gain their spiritual connection to God. In doing so we "Zionists" believe they also qualify for the promises God made to them in the Old Testament. Additionally consider wat Jesus said to a Samaritan:

            John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.

        • ParadoxATF

          You lied. You took those verses out of context and twisted them to your own meaning.

          It simply says those who deny Christ are liars. It goes on to say that they are the antichrists. We are to assume then that we have 5 Billion+ anti-christs on our hand?

          • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

            And your proofs for your assertions are….?

            "Who is the liar but the person who denies that Jesus is the Christ ? This one is the antichrist: the person who denies the Father and the Son. Everyone who denies the Son does not have the Father either. The person who confesses the Son has the Father also. "

            ~ 1 John 2:22-23

            Please show us how is this "out of context" I am all eyes for you… :)

            "We are to assume then that we have 5 Billion+ anti-christs on our hand?

            Yes, there are many anti Christs for that description is not only for the figure popularized by pulp fiction of "Left Behind" but also of a spirit and those who belong to it. Yes, there are many and here is a PROOF for you just from four verses prior to what was quoted so the same writer, same words usage and same context…
            Here is the proof while I am waiting for yours:

            "Children, it is the last hour, and just as you heard that the antichrist is coming, so now MANY ATICHRISTS have appeared. We know from this that it is the last hour."

            ~ 1 John 2:18

            Show your proofs please…

          • Eric

            "We are to assume then that we have 5 Billion+ anti-christs on our hand?"

            Could be. John tells us that there were "many" in his day: "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist" (2 John 7).

      • lambsev

        But being the descendents of Abraham, Isaac and Israel counts for a lot in God's word. Genesis 12:1-3, Psalm 122:6; John 4:22; Jeremiah 31:31-37; Psalm 132:13-18

        Zechariah 1:17
        Cry out again, Thus says the LORD of hosts: My cities shall again overflow with prosperity, and the LORD will again comfort Zion and again choose Jerusalem.’”

        Zechariah 2:12
        And the LORD will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land, and will again choose Jerusalem.”

        • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

          :)

          How is any of that explains this:

          "For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would inherit THE WORLD was not fulfilled through the law, but through the righteousness that comes by faith."
          ~ Romans 4:13

          So when do you expect The State of Israel becoming one global state ruling entire planet earth as you have to proceed with above Word according to your Zionism?

          • lambsev11

            The Israelis will not rule the world, but Jesus Himself will rule the earth from Jerusalem. Some Jews will figure prominently in His rule:

            Matthew 19:27-28
            27 Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore?
            28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

        • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

          "Genesis12:1-3, Psalm 122:6; John 4:22; Jeremiah 31:31-37; Psalm 132:13-18 , Zechariah 1:17 , Zechariah 2:12 …"

          Lambsev,

          Have you ever heard, pondered at and practiced this deep truth below?

          "In Old Testament the new one is contained and New Testament the old one is explained."

          I suggest you try. It will do marvels for you understanding the nature of Abrahamic promise and so much other things…

          "For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would inherit THE WORLD was not fulfilled through the law, but through the righteousness that comes by faith."
          ~ Romans 4:13

          • lambsev11

            Faith does not take away history. Can God break His promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?

            Genesis 13:15
            For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed for ever.
            Genesis 13:14-16 (in Context) Genesis 13 (Whole Chapter)

            Exodus 32:13
            Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever.

            Leviticus 25:23
            The land shall not be sold for ever: for the land is mine, for ye are strangers and sojourners with me.

            Joshua 14:9
            And Moses sware on that day, saying, Surely the land whereon thy feet have trodden shall be thine inheritance, and thy children's for ever, because thou hast wholly followed the LORD my God.

            1 Chronicles 28:8
            Now therefore in the sight of all Israel the congregation of the LORD, and in the audience of our God, keep and seek for all the commandments of the LORD your God: that ye may possess this good land, and leave it for an inheritance for your children after you for ever.

            2 Chronicles 20:7
            Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?

            Psalm 10:16
            The LORD is King for ever and ever: the heathen are perished out of his land.

            Psalm 37:29
            The righteous shall inherit the land, and dwell therein for ever.

            Psalm 136:21
            And gave their land for an heritage: for his mercy endureth for ever:

            Isaiah 60:21
            Thy people also shall be all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

            Jeremiah 7:7
            Then will I cause you to dwell in this place, in the land that I gave to your fathers, for ever and ever.

            Jeremiah 33:11
            The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the LORD of hosts: for the LORD is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD. For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the LORD.

            Ezekiel 37:25
            And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

  • Grant

    Israel is the 'chosen remnant'…
    We're saved by faith-believing, not by sight. Jesus said to Thomas; 'blessed are those who believe and do not see', Thomas wouldn't believe unless he could see the 'wounds'. Jesus said 'blessed are those who don't see and believe.
    You will know them by their 'fruit'…be bless and join in a 'born again believer'… :)

  • bighoss

    There is a certain dissonance in the dispensational premillennialists' concept of "the Antichrist." Read their literature, including the "Left [good sense] Behind [but made lotsa money] junk, and you will find such detailed descriptions of the actions and behaviors of "The Antichrist" that no one could possibly fail to recognize the varmint should he show up some day. Yet that same "Antichrist" is said to be so cunning and so sneaky as to be able to deceive virtually the entire world into believing that he/she/it is some kind of benevolent savior.

    Go figure.

  • Deep_Thinker

    Didn't know there were any middle east Christians… Sure aren't any in Israel.

    • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

      Sure you are wrong.

    • bighoss

      There ARE, and there are Christians in Lebanon and Syria also, and in other Middle Eastern nations. Your ASSumption in this matter defines your cluelessness. You ain't thinkin' so deeply on this one, ole son.

    • Dionesius3

      Must not be much of a deep thinker. In Syria there are over 600,000 Christians. Use Google occasionally before you speak nonsense. And the number in Israel is somewhere near that number.

  • Tout

    Continuous study and prayer will help you to find the Truth.

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Only if you consider "truth" to be delusional concepts.

    • http://dl.dropbox.com/u/22306708/Jn6.37.png Despeville

      Study of what? Your Roman Catechism? It is full of satanic lies and apostasy.

  • lambsev11

    Romans 11:28
    As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

    In th clip linked below are Orthodox Jews persecuting Messianic Jews in Israel!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EII5Km3jN3U