Christian Business Owners: No Rights in NM

Organized homosexuality has prevailed again, this time with the help of a court in New Mexico. It has told a Christian photographer that she trespassed state law when she refused to photograph two lesbians at their “commitment ceremony.”

Judge Timothy Garcia of the state’s court of appeals upheld a ruling by New Mexico’s Civil Rights Commission that fined the owners of Elane Photography nearly $7,000 for its refusal to accept business from the two women.

Garcia’s ruling essentially says that “gay rights” trump the religious rights of every employer and business in the state.

The trouble began for Elaine and John Huguenin, owners of Elane’s Photography, in 2008 when Vanessa Willock inquired about hiring Mrs. Huguenin to photograph her “commitment ceremony” to her lesbian partner. New Mexico does not allow homosexual marriage.

As the court described it, Huguenin was civil in her answer: “Elane Photography quickly responded, thanking Willock for her interest but explaining that Elane Photography photographs ‘traditional weddings,' ” the court wrote.

Unsure what Elane Photography meant by “traditional weddings,” Willock sent a second email asking Elane Photography to clarify whether it “does not offer [its] photography services to same-sex couples.” Elane Photography responded affirmatively, stating, “[y]es, you are correct in saying we do not photograph same-sex weddings,” and again thanked Willock for her interest in Elane Photography.

Of course, Willock knew exactly what Mrs. Huguenin meant by “traditional weddings,” so the angry woman then, apparently, importuned her lesbian partner to set the photographer up for the discrimination claim.

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http://www.divinenewsnetwork.com Min. Thomas Allen

They can push their immorality on us, our kids, and the general public, but God forbid we push God on them! They call every lawyer, and the ACLU. These people are evil in every nature and also an abomination to God. They will all stand before the eternal Judge in the end…

Lev. 18:22, "Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination." (KJV)

Dan. 2:43, "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay." (KJV)

Rev. 21:27, "And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life." (KJV)

Rev. 20:12-15, "And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." (KJV)

God bless you all and may the Lord protect you all from the coming storm.
- daves
  
  The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.' (Exodus 31:12-15 )
  
  "But if … evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones…" (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)
  - Koos
    
    Gotta love the way only "christians" and satan can twist God's Word to vilify true Christianity.
    - Linda F.
      
      This is very typical of daves, Koos. He's so desperate to defend the sin of homosexuality that he will say anything in an attempt to distract us or discourage us. Just ignore him.
      - daves
        
        What I get sad about is people who will not treat homosexuals with kindness and respect but they will treat people who commit any of the thousands of other sins outlined in the bible with that kindness and respect.
        
        Tattoo's are an abomination in the bible, should they be against the law?
      - wesley
        
        the worst sin out there in not a moral sin but doctrinal sin for doctrinal sins lead to moral sins. sin is a fallen, deprave, broken good.
      - msjallen
        
        Seven Worst Sins – see Proverbs 6:16 – “There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:” 17-18:
        1.“Haughty eyes” (KJV – “Proud Look”) = “Pride” or Ego; Pride was the original sin of Satan. Also known as “Legalism”; this is antagonistic to grace. (17)
        2.a lying tongue” (17)
        3.“hands that shed innocent blood,” = “Murder” (overt sin). (17).
        4.“A heart [frontal lobe] that devises wicked plans [hatred]” (18)
        5.“Feet that run rapidly to evil” = gossip (18)
        6.“A false witness who utters lies” = perjury (19)
        7.“one who spreads strife among brothers.” = maligning (19)
        All are mental attitude sins that can lead to overt sins except murder but all sins including homosexuality can be forgiven and the person change through the Word of God.
      - wesley
        
        just read Paul's letter to the Galatians. he starts off fast getting to work on correcting the church for they teaching bad doctrine. you can not do a good job of teaching morals without having good sound doctrine.
      - Evermyrlte
        
        Generally, doctrinal sins are because people believe exactly what they want to believe. If it is a sin that they will not give up, they twist scriptures until it fits their sin, as OK. Problem with that, they cannot fool GOD and refuse to change to HIS ways
      - VoteOutObama
        
        Should the law force businesses, schools, churches, etc.., etc.. to condone, encourage, or allow tatooing in their establishments ??
        
        The article is about the photographer being fined for not photographing lesbians kissing. The court-ordered punishment is the true crime, and would cause anyone with a conscience to become *homophobic*. You don't have to be a Christian to be alarmed about this ruling.
      - daves
        
        I was replying to Tom Allen, a little off topic.
      - petroskhan1262
        
        "treat homosexuals with kindness and respect" Now there's a good comment.
        
        The kindness comes in when you try to teach them how wrong their behavior is, and how much God disapproves of this sort of degeneracy. It is not the sort of behavior that the Bible condones.
        
        And as for respect, well…respect is like a paycheck, it has to be earned. What is there, about homosexuality, that is worthy of respect? A man wants to have sex with another man. That sort of perversion somehow earns him respect? "Hey, nice going! Hat's off to you!!"
        
        I don't think so.
      - keyboardshark
        
        daves says: "What I get sad about is people who will not treat homosexuals with kindness and respect…"
        
        That is true, we should treat them with the respect that we would give to any fellow human being. But we cannot respect their immoral behavior any more than we could respect the behavior of a bank robber. To tell them that their behavior is fine and that they should just continue is ultimately an act of hatred.
        
        The homosexual lifestyle is very detrimental to the person's health and well-being, and homosexuals have a much shorter lifespan than heterosexuals. And even worse, if they continue their behavior until the end of their life, they will be eternally separated from God.
        
        If we really want to show love to a homosexual, we should not offer them any mealy-mouthed platitudes about how their lifestyle is acceptable, that we understand that they were 'born that way', that we are tired of discrimination, blah blah blah. Hogwash. We need to tell them the truth in love, and offer them the great hope of forgiveness and eternal life through Jesus Christ to release them from the bondage of their sin. The Gospel of Jesus Christ is the greatest act of love the world has ever seen.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        What people are you talking about? I do not know of a soul who is bothering them. Or are you talking of us disapproving of them committing this abomination to GOD? I am not pleased with myself when I break one of HIS commandments and I critize myself far more I do them. We tell them of the evil they are committing, so that they will know it is evil and will maybe, change. If we can cause one to change his/her life we will have let one to CHRIST. If we don't do anything, to show them they are committing this abomination, we cannot bring one to GOD. GOD nor HIS SON JESUS CHRIST ever told us to be kind to them,we are supposed to witness,not clam up. If we say nothing, we sin. It is not about being kind, it is about bringing others to CHRIST. Many shall be called but few saved, with the very best we can do.
        
        I know you are dying to say it, go ahead and say it.
      - daledor
        
        Even though I question the motivation of Dave's, I realize that condemning the person is wrong but totally agree that condemning the evil the person(s) do is absolutely correct. Love the sinner but hate the sin. God condemns the sin and loves the sinner or none of us would go to Heaven – why Jesus was sent, died, and resurrected, He could open the door – no one goes to the Father (Old or New Testament, all creeds, all races, etc) except through the Son (Jesus). We are all sinners and can't go to the place of perfect love, joy, peace, and Holiness except through Him. You got to have an intimate relationship with God to grow to be like Him.
        
        Homosexuality is a great sin, so is intentional lying, stealing, slandering others, hate, etc… God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. In order to justify these actions (wrong actions are always tried to be justified by individuals or groups so that they can cover guilt.) people are trying to find homosexuality in animals. If God says that it is wrong and unnatural you won't be able to justify yourself when you stand before Him, only Jesus can eliminate forgive sin and set people free. We are all flawed, just try to justify our actions by looking for others with flaws we can call worse. God loves the sinner but hates the sin, because sin is what separates us from Him.
        
        It is to a person's discredit to hate anyone but also to call evil good.and good evil. Read the Bible and let God's Holy Spirit instruct you then we will all be on the same page. Otherwise, without God's guidance – instruction from the Author of the Book, you are reading words and twisting them to mean what you want. It is what it is; He is Who He is!!!!
      - daves
        
        We try to make the point that homosexuals are born that way by pointing out homosexuality in nature.
        
        What do you think Gods purpose for hermaphrodites is? To be with a woman or to be with a man?
        
        And I cannot think what you may think my motivations are. I simply don't like that so many Americans are focused on not allowing homosexuals to marry. God will not be any more upset than he is about tattoo's being legal.
      - wesley
        
        hermaphrodite is a birth defect like being born without limbs or any other body parts. it is caused by a hormonal problem during development they still have a biological gender. it can be determined by watching the chromosomes during cell division.
      - keyboardshark
        
        daves says: "We try to make the point that homosexuals are born that way by pointing out homosexuality in nature. "
        
        You may try to make that point, but it's illogical. We do not derive our morality from animals. Many animals kill each other also. Does that mean we should? Also, the so-called 'homosexuality' in nature is highly subjective, being subject to the biases of the observer. If two male bears hug each other, for instance, is this 'homosexual' behavior?
        
        An observer with a homosexual bias who is trying to justify it would probably conclude that it was. But maybe the bears were just trying to keep warm. Since we have no way of knowing what is going through the mind of an animal when they engage in certain behaviors, we do not know their motives for doing so. It would merely be the interpretation of the observer that the behavior was or was not 'homosexual'.
        
        As for hermaphrodites, as with anyone, who is forcing them to engage in sexual relations? If they are not sure what sex they are, they should simply abstain from any sexual behavior. While sexual activity may be enjoyable, it is certainly not an essential activity for maintaining life. I haven't heard of anyone dying from a lack of sex (other than on late-night comedy shows).
      - Evermyrtle
        
        From reading many of your posts, Dave it is hard to believe that you have so little understanding of GOD'S WORKS, to think for a moment that HE would make a homosexual. He makes each of "just so" and gives us the privilege to live for HIM or against HIM, this choice given to us by HIM. If HE did not give us this choice we would be no more that puppets. We will be given the home for which we work,in the end, not what we earn because we cannot earn heaven, it will be given to those who strive to live according to the commandments that HE gives us to live by.
        
        Few shall be called but few are chosen, because we want heaven handed to us without any effort, it won't happen.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Post above answering Daves not Dave
  - petroskhan1262
    
    Point being…??
  - Lori
    
    There must be a website somewhere for liberals and atheists to find several verses from the Old Testament to use as a reason for disregarding the entire Bible because you all always cite to the same few verses. If any of you took the time to study the Bible in depth, you would find that there were some rules that God gave to the Israelites to separate them from the other cultures around them because he was preparing them for the Messiah to come through their people. Those rules are separate and distinct from the moral laws that He set out in the Ten Commandments, etc.
    
    Furthermore, living in Santa Fe where there is a large population of homosexuals, I can tell you that most Christians I know treat them with much more respect than they treat the Christians. Does that make you sad, too?
    - keyboardshark
      
      Lori says: "There must be a website somewhere for liberals and atheists to find several verses from the Old Testament to use as a reason for disregarding the entire Bible because you all always cite to the same few verses."
      
      Yes, I am surprised he did not use the "shellfish" argument, which has been refuted:
      
      "Among the many confusions about the Bible expressed by nonbelievers is the notion that Christians “pick and choose” which parts of the Old Testament to follow and believe.
      
      Lately, this has come up in the context of Obama’s and the White House’s attempts to promote gay “marriage.” Atheists and gay marriage proponents have repeatedly asked why is homosexuality a sin when Christians ignore most of the provisions in the Old Testament, like not eating pork or shellfish?
      
      The question of course is just an effort to pounce on perceived hypocrisy, but I’ve been surprised by how few Christians seem to know the answer.
      
      The answer is found in Acts of the Apostles. While there are several sections that hint at the answer, the section that best spells out the Christian view is in Acts 15."
      
      TO READ THE REST http://godfatherpolitics.com/5272/why-homosexuali…
    - daves
      
      But the quote I gave about the Sabbath is a commandment.
- Linda F.
  
  Thomas, *all* of us will stand before God and *all* of us will be judged. Don't forget that.
  - http://www.divinenewsnetwork.com Min. Thomas Allen
    
    Yes we will Linda :)
    
    Jude 1:15-21, "To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage. But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ; How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit. But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost, Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (KJV)
    
    God bless Linda.
Sharon

She has a right to run her business any way she deems right the justice dept now is telling the Supreme court they dont have the final say on GPS tracking devices in cars ENOUGHS, ENOUGH this nonsense has gone on long enough let's get back to the checks and balances of all arenas and keep to the constitution and the authority each man has to determine the way he desires to run his or her live without telling others how to rule thiers, We all will give account in that day for what we have done whether good or evil!! GOD WAS THE FIRST TO ALLOW FREE WILL THESE THINGS ARE GIVEN TO US BY HIM NOT MAN!!! BUT LET US REMEMBER EVEN THOUGH WE HAVE LIBERTY LET US NOT USE IT FOR AN EXCUSE TO SIN.
- daledor
  
  Free will is precious to God and to us. It is the greatest form of freedom. It really upsets me when people 'do as they will' and then if things go wrong blame God when He is a perfect gentleman and lets us make our own choices — our choices bring reward or consequences. It is also strange to me when people ask for God's help and they get it then they take credit for the victory and forget about God. On the flip side, they don't get God's help (because He knows it is not good for them or has no intimacy with that person) then they blame God.
  I suppose blaming others for wrongs or conceitedly crediting self for goo things is hitting at the 'heart' of the matter and why God says, "the heart is deceitfully wicked." That is why He is the biggest and best heart surgeon, straightening out issues of the heart.
Bob Lilley

What ever happened to the right of a business to refuse service to anyone??? Next, the courts will be dictating who we can socialize with, who we must invite to our homes for dinner, who we can have for friends, who we can marry (if we can marry) and possibly the gender or our "chosen" life mate. Since when does the word "liberal" translate to restricting??? If they are as "liberal" as they claim, we should be able to do what ever we want, and with whom we want…….which is obviously NOT the case any more, at least in New Mexico.
- Taquoshi
  
  Regarding who we can socialize with…well, there have been cases where individuals have been labeled as racists, even though they may have (and did have) several close friends who were of different races. It all about what is "perceived" rather than what is. Look at the Duke lacrosse team farce.
  
  Or the fact that my spouse and I have been repeatedly called "homophobes" despite the fact that we had two "gay" individuals in our wedding party. The point was not that they were gay, the point was who they were to us. And when requested to identify the "gay" individuals in a photo of our wedding party, no one has managed it yet. Personally, we don't care, but the fact remains that if we were in fact, homophobes, those two individuals would not have been invited to our wedding, much less take part.
- Cazzie
  
  Over my dead body! This fall we take back our country and start putting back on a Godly, moral course.
Buck

New Mexico is nothing but a stinking desert that they forced the indians onto because there was no other use for it , I still feel the same way . Except for the indians there are no human beings in New Mexico .
- Lori
  
  That's a bit of a sweeping generalization, isn't it? I live in New Mexico, and although I don't agree with many of the liberals here, there are a lot of good people in New Mexico. I guess you also don't realize that we have many mountain ranges here and several different climates? It's not all a desert, although I'm not exactly sure what kind of an indictment that is. Do you feel the same way about Arizona since it has a lot of desert area, too? Very strange comment.
- bighoss
  
  Check out the art galleries along Canyon Road in Santa Fe, Bucko. That city is the second largest art market in the country.
  There is some Native American art there, but many of the art works there are the products of some of those human beings you cavalierly deny the existence of.
  http://art-collecting.com/galleries_nm_santafe.ht…
  
  And by all means, if in New Mexico, do not miss the International UFO Museum in Roswell!
  http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/11159
  
  Or the monument to the "Flying Paper Boy of the Guadalupes!!
  http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/7024
  
  Unfortunately, one famous attraction. the "Big Pile of Bones" has been closed down due to the excessive zeal of regulators concerned about public health. This one was truly unique. Check the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EKNdyzg__A
  
  New Mexico–LAND of ENCHANTMENT!
- msjallen
  
  What a stupid statement to make about NM. I have some great friends who live there who are conservative Bible Doctrine believers who love the Word of God along with their church group. There are parts of NM that are absolutely breathtaking. There are many great tourist attractions. Yes, there are many things wrong in NM but one will find that in every State of the Union. The American Indians were not allowed to be overbearing in this Nation because of their anti-Biblical beliefs that God did not want spread in a country that was set aside as a Client Nation in the Church Age to uphold His truths.
jen

Tired of it. So sick of being told what i have to accept. Im a photographer as well and to all of the gay people. I will not photograph your so called marriage. God does not recognize gay marriage and neither do i. What next are we obligated to photograph porn too? Stop cramming YOUR beliefs down MY throat you hypocrites!
Chris

What a complete and utter lie of a headline. The Christians don't have the right to discriminate. They follow the conuntry's laws they don't get to follow "Sharia" laws.

Why do Christians hate so much. There are no gods Jen – it's all made up garbage.

Getting married IS NOT A BELIEF – you are just ignorant.
- Eric
  
  So you have no problem with courts telling private business owners with whom they can and cannot conduct business? Would you also be in favor of the judge forcing a lesbian photographer to photograph a heterosexual wedding if she decided it was against her beliefs?
  
  Although you should be more outraged by the tyranny of a civil judge telling a private business owner how to conduct business than over the reasons for the owner's declining of the job, it is apparent that your upside-down ideology of "freedom" dictates that you be far more concerned about forcing your "tolerance" on others than on governmental invasion of individual rights.
  - Linda F.
    
    Of course he doesn't have a problem with that, Eric … just as long as the business owners happen to be Christian.
- wesley
  
  the Psalmists says The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, They have done abominable works, There is none who does good. Psalms 14:1
- petroskhan1262
  
  And once again, you miss the point, and babble on about your blindness.
  
  Good on ya, mate.
- Cazzie
  
  You're right-it's not a belief, it's a Christian ceremony. According to Chris the 2% of gay population should be allowed to chage the beliefs of the 98%??? Liberal logic at it's best.
- Donna
  
  Chris, I am trying to refrain from calling you a jerk. "Christian's don't have the right to discriminate" Well, don't we or anyone else have the right to say "NO" to something we don't agree with? I say anyone has that right, just not Christian's. Why would this bother you so much? Why does this bother you that Christian's would have Bibicial convictions…isn't everyone entitled to what they think is right and wrong….maybe you have no standards or convictions about anything….and that is your right. Give other people the same right. I feel as a small business person, I have the right to not partake in something that I find personally offensive. or do I have to believe like all the progressive liberals that every pervision is ok? Chris this is not hate. I feel so sorry for you telling Jen that there are no gods….well one day you are going to stand before the one true GOD. Some one has feed you a pile of lies!!!
  - msjallen
    
    Because, Donna, now a days everything is relative and anything goes. Fewer people know what the Bible teaches and they make up their belief system as they go along. God is absolute and people who want their own way don't like the way God thinks.
ONTIME

The commonsense factor has gone astray again, as a business person have the right o refuse to do business with anyone, especially if it offends your moral beliefs. The state of NM is walking on eggs here and this should go to a higher court and be clarified…It's not like there were no other photographers available and the pictures could not have been taken by someone else.
Ken

Exactly– if they have a problem with Elane Photography, then they, their friends and acquaintances should take their business elsewhere. Let the marketplace decide whether they deserve to stay in business.

On a practical note — would anyone REALLY want to hire a photographer who doesn't want to be there? You can make them work, but you can't make them do the job well.
VoteOutObama

Voting is critical. Make sure you're registered to vote in your local voting district, and research all candidates regarding their social views. Help the elderly or handicapped get information, or ballots, or into the voting booth. If you can't vote, write letters to elected officials. The highly organized, wealthy, and powerful LBGT community has become terroristic and our leaders must stand up for our right to be protected from it. Vote !
- msjallen
  
  The LBGT community is Satanic driven; otherwise they would not have such great power over those who do not believe in their lifestyle but are forced to accept it. They are getting way out of control; especially with influencing our young people and 0 saying it is all okay. Afterall, he tried it too. In our family, we are teaching our childen and grandchildren from the Word of God that it is wrong along with other things they are being endoctrinated with at school and from their peers.
  Proverbs 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old (mature), he will not depart from it.
Gordon

I'm sorry for the photography couple who have been chosen by the "gay agenda" forces to be made an example of and to be used to establish legal precedent , if possible. This couple needs support and will be assisted through the appellate process all the way up to the SCOTUS if necessary., because they cannot be allowed to succeed. A real danger lies in the idea of so many of these engineered offenses happening that the fighters for righteousness are overwhelmed. Still, that in itself would move the whole thing toward the high court. After this November's elections, the radical left will find it's microphone turned way down!
- Lori
  
  I live in New Mexico (and unfortunately I work for the court that issued this opinion), and I have read that this poor couple lost their business because of all the legal fees, etc., associated with this. If I hear of a way to help them with their appeal, I will try to find a way to let people on this site know. Interestingly, this judge who wrote this opinion is up for retention in November . . .
  - wesley
    
    one of the best ways to left citizens in New Mexico know about this case and how this judge to be let go. then help this couple get a new case with a new judge to flip the cases outcome.
  - msjallen
    
    They need to vote this judge out in November. Make sure you look up the background of every judge you vote for in November even if you have to call their office. We have too many liberal judges who discriminate against everything the Bible stands for.
wesley

"All is takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." Sir Edmund Burke
mesaman

They can force me to accept their presence but they can never make me think of them as equal, nor can they make me like them. I feel sorry for New Mexico, citizens of the state deserve better. It's not New York or California, it's a rural state.
http://www.missiontoisrael.org Ted R. Weiland

This is but more (and more to be expected) from a judicial branch provided by framers who nowhere expressly stated that it or the other two branches should be based upon Yahweh's morality as found in His perfect law and altogether righteous judgments (Psalm 19:7-11). In other words, they left legislation and adjudication to the fickle whims of finite men (such as Tim L. Garcia). Is it any wonder America finds herself on the precipice?

For more, see Chapter 6 "Article 3: Judicial Usurpation" of "Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective" http://www.missiontoisrael.org/biblelaw-constitut….

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- Vladimir
  
  Yawn. Go revile the U.S. Constitution on a socialist site where you will be appreciated. The U.S. Constitution was not written to solve all the problems that will crop up. The U.S. Constitution provides the framework where the citizens have the freedom and authority to work on and solve the country's problems.
  
  Is your "ministry" one of George Soros' socialist "foundations" or does George simply provide funding for your effort?
Nate

If this was a free market, the products and services would take care of themselves, as there is demand for such services.
To think that just a business provides a product or service means they MUST serve, is crazy. Only AFTER both parties have entered into a contract are they bound to honor their word.
Wise old guy

Refuse to pay the fine, ….period!
Harvey

A rose is a rose, queers are well named and are queer, and New Mexico judicial has this call wrong.
keyboardshark

Initially, homosexual lobbyist groups said, "All we want is to be left alone." Then, a few years later, they said, "We just want our lifestyle to be accepted."

Not long after that it was, "We want our lifestyle to be legally recognized as a civil union." And finally it went all the way to, "We want nothing less than marriage," which, since creation, has been defined and accepted as a sacred institution between a man and a woman.

Now, in England at least, they are demanding that churches be "compelled" to do that which is contrary to their deeply held convictions. And now it has extended to private business owners.

They are even demanding that we teach children to uphold homosexuality as a virtue. We are watching the breathtaking success of homosexual lobbyists as they intimidate lawmakers into passing so-called 'hate crimes' legislation that has destroyed the freedoms of Christians.
msjallen

I worked in SF for years and know first hand how the homosexual community works to cheat their employer and if you say anything against their lifestyle they will turn you in. When I let an office mate know that I did not want to hear about his love life he was offended and turn me in to HR. When I asked HR what they would have done if I complained first they said they did not know what they would do. The head of HR for this company was a lesbian and I was fortunate that the HR person handling my case was a Christian. Within a few weeks the offices were moved to a new building and we were on opposite sides of that building. Even though I had to associate with him through work assignments I was always polite to him. He moved back to Hawaii a short time later. It is amazing how God works things out when we turn the matter over to Him.
Vladimir

A scientist once explained to me that one way to test an hypothesis is to examine its limits. If we test homosexuality, we can assume the limits would be 1. Nobody is homosexual and 2. Everybody is homosexual. If nobody were homosexual, there would be no impact on the continuation of humanity. If everybody were homosexual, the human race would become extinct.

The environmental wackos will be pushing for homosexuality so the earth won't have anyone to disturb the little birds and bees.
lambsev11

The Message (MSG)
Romans 7
Torn Between One Way and Another
1-3 You shouldn't have any trouble understanding this, friends, for you know all the ins and outs of the law—how it works and how its power touches only the living. For instance, a wife is legally tied to her husband while he lives, but if he dies, she's free. If she lives with another man while her husband is living, she's obviously an adulteress. But if he dies, she is quite free to marry another man in good conscience, with no one's disapproval.

4-6So, my friends, this is something like what has taken place with you. When Christ died he took that entire rule-dominated way of life down with him and left it in the tomb, leaving you free to "marry" a resurrection life and bear "offspring" of faith for God. For as long as we lived that old way of life, doing whatever we felt we could get away with, sin was calling most of the shots as the old law code hemmed us in. And this made us all the more rebellious. In the end, all we had to show for it was miscarriages and stillbirths. But now that we're no longer shackled to that domineering mate of sin, and out from under all those oppressive regulations and fine print, we're free to live a new life in the freedom of God.

7But I can hear you say, "If the law code was as bad as all that, it's no better than sin itself." That's certainly not true. The law code had a perfectly legitimate function. Without its clear guidelines for right and wrong, moral behavior would be mostly guesswork. Apart from the succinct, surgical command, "You shall not covet," I could have dressed covetousness up to look like a virtue and ruined my life with it.

8-12Don't you remember how it was? I do, perfectly well. The law code started out as an excellent piece of work. What happened, though, was that sin found a way to pervert the command into a temptation, making a piece of "forbidden fruit" out of it. The law code, instead of being used to guide me, was used to seduce me. Without all the paraphernalia of the law code, sin looked pretty dull and lifeless, and I went along without paying much attention to it. But once sin got its hands on the law code and decked itself out in all that finery, I was fooled, and fell for it. The very command that was supposed to guide me into life was cleverly used to trip me up, throwing me headlong. So sin was plenty alive, and I was stone dead. But the law code itself is God's good and common sense, each command sane and holy counsel.

13I can already hear your next question: "Does that mean I can't even trust what is good [that is, the law]? Is good just as dangerous as evil?" No again! Sin simply did what sin is so famous for doing: using the good as a cover to tempt me to do what would finally destroy me. By hiding within God's good commandment, sin did far more mischief than it could ever have accomplished on its own.

14-16I can anticipate the response that is coming: "I know that all God's commands are spiritual, but I'm not. Isn't this also your experience?" Yes. I'm full of myself—after all, I've spent a long time in sin's prison. What I don't understand about myself is that I decide one way, but then I act another, doing things I absolutely despise. So if I can't be trusted to figure out what is best for myself and then do it, it becomes obvious that God's command is necessary.

17-20But I need something more! For if I know the law but still can't keep it, and if the power of sin within me keeps sabotaging my best intentions, I obviously need help! I realize that I don't have what it takes. I can will it, but I can't do it. I decide to do good, but I don't really do it; I decide not to do bad, but then I do it anyway. My decisions, such as they are, don't result in actions. Something has gone wrong deep within me and gets the better of me every time.

21-23It happens so regularly that it's predictable. The moment I decide to do good, sin is there to trip me up. I truly delight in God's commands, but it's pretty obvious that not all of me joins in that delight. Parts of me covertly rebel, and just when I least expect it, they take charge.

24I've tried everything and nothing helps. I'm at the end of my rope. Is there no one who can do anything for me? Isn't that the real question?

25The answer, thank God, is that Jesus Christ can and does. He acted to set things right in this life of contradictions where I want to serve God with all my heart and mind, but am pulled by the influence of sin to do something totally different.
lambsev11

The Message (MSG)
Romans 8
The Solution Is Life on God's Terms
1-2With the arrival of Jesus, the Messiah, that fateful dilemma is resolved. Those who enter into Christ's being-here-for-us no longer have to live under a continuous, low-lying black cloud. A new power is in operation. The Spirit of life in Christ, like a strong wind, has magnificently cleared the air, freeing you from a fated lifetime of brutal tyranny at the hands of sin and death.

3-4God went for the jugular when he sent his own Son. He didn't deal with the problem as something remote and unimportant. In his Son, Jesus, he personally took on the human condition, entered the disordered mess of struggling humanity in order to set it right once and for all. The law code, weakened as it always was by fractured human nature, could never have done that.

The law always ended up being used as a Band-Aid on sin instead of a deep healing of it. And now what the law code asked for but we couldn't deliver is accomplished as we, instead of redoubling our own efforts, simply embrace what the Spirit is doing in us.

5-8Those who think they can do it on their own end up obsessed with measuring their own moral muscle but never get around to exercising it in real life. Those who trust God's action in them find that God's Spirit is in them—living and breathing God! Obsession with self in these matters is a dead end; attention to God leads us out into the open, into a spacious, free life. Focusing on the self is the opposite of focusing on God. Anyone completely absorbed in self ignores God, ends up thinking more about self than God. That person ignores who God is and what he is doing. And God isn't pleased at being ignored.

9-11But if God himself has taken up residence in your life, you can hardly be thinking more of yourself than of him. Anyone, of course, who has not welcomed this invisible but clearly present God, the Spirit of Christ, won't know what we're talking about. But for you who welcome him, in whom he dwells—even though you still experience all the limitations of sin—you yourself experience life on God's terms. It stands to reason, doesn't it, that if the alive-and-present God who raised Jesus from the dead moves into your life, he'll do the same thing in you that he did in Jesus, bringing you alive to himself? When God lives and breathes in you (and he does, as surely as he did in Jesus), you are delivered from that dead life. With his Spirit living in you, your body will be as alive as Christ's!

12-14So don't you see that we don't owe this old do-it-yourself life one red cent. There's nothing in it for us, nothing at all. The best thing to do is give it a decent burial and get on with your new life. God's Spirit beckons. There are things to do and places to go!
Marilyn Smith

We have the freedom in Christ to refuse to have anything to do with something that displeases God. Our laws give Muslims have the right to refuse anything to do with worldly living and that against their religion. In our country we still have freedom of "religion." No one can make us do anything against what we know is wrong by our "religion's" standards. This "couple" is discriminating against the photographer for her Christian beliefs. She has the right to a countersuit. Now let's call his "Lesbian" or homeosexual business what it is and see how it fits. The real name for it is "Sodomy" and it is against God's law and man's law, therefore we have the right to refuse to participate as a Christian or an American. Overcomers, don't be so afraid. There are worse things coming. Stand for the ri'ght thing. Don't waver. Man can't hurt you. Fear (revere) God who has the power over your soul.
skipfoss

Like I said before these are selfmade freaks of nature ,they are not a religon,they are not a nationality they are not a race. They are self made because GOD made two types of people and animals ,they are male and female ,so what gives these freaks any more rights than any one else,nothing at all .All they get is what is given to any other male and female,just because they have decided to set themselves aside as freaks gives them nothing special,because they are nothing at all
thewititness42

Actually the first ammendment covers the problem in NM since Constitutional law ssays that if a law does not go with the constitution then the law must be thrown out and the one gives special rights to some unclean/immoral people