Should A Christian Support Obama? - ZIONICA.com

Nathan Miller

Amen!

daves

I would never take Saint Paul's instruction over Jesus' message to be kind to others.
- Sharon B.
  
  Why not? Everything St. Paul teaches in the Bible was revealed to him by none other than Jesus The Christ himself.
- Jhol
  
  St Paul's words in scripture are inspired by the Holy Spirit. They do not contradict Jesus' words.
- Evermyrtle
  
  Saint Paul would never expect you to take his word or instruction over that of JESUS CHRIST. That idea is idiotic.
  - http://conservativebyte.com Michael G.
    
    You're absolutely right. Daves deliberately twists everything to fit what he wants–simple as that.
thewititness42

Also we can not support a liar ,it is written! "all liars shall be cast into HELL" !

A. Reginald

Great article. And it barely scratches the surface. It doesn't even start to deal with the fact that the man is one of the most accomplished and "bald faced" liars to hit the scene.

http://conservativebyte.com Michael G.

OB had a good trainer…

E Connelly

No a Christian does not need to be nice to someone who is obviously not thinking like a Christian.

msjallen

However, the Bible does say…
Titus 3:1-2 Remind them to be subject to rulers, to authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good deed, to malign no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing every consideration for all men.
I believe that our responsibility as a believer is to reach others for the Lord no matter who they are. I doubt that hateful or judgmental tactics will win them over. Christianity is to reflect Jesus Christ and yes there were times that He was angry about things but did not sin. If one can be angry and not sin then go ahead and push their buttons but I doubt that one can do this when confronting those who don't think Christ-like unless one has great self control.
Evermyrtle

If we support Obama we are supporting Satan. He is working hand in hand with Satan to turn America against GOD and HIS Commandments. He is doing all in his power to destroy HIS WORD by supporting and legalizing evil, like homosexuality, abortion and now is even supporting killing a baby because it is not the sex desired, mostly girl babies. There seems to be no end of evil ideas he comes up with.

Voting for Obama is like voting for Satan against GOD
- Glen S
  
  Again, more hyperbole which gives believers in Christ a bad name.
  - http://twitter.com/goodone121 @goodone121
    
    Tell me, Glen, how was she being hyperbolic? She was being literal in all she said (except for the last sentence, of course).
    - Glen S
      
      Really? The President is literally Satan? BTW: The word "like" creates a simile in which the poster is comparing the President to Satan. And a hyperbole is an exaggeration for dramatic effect.
      
      So, unless you personally have credible evidence which can stand up to scrutiny; I suggest the believers on this forum stop giving everyone else reason to attack all of us.
    - http://twitter.com/goodone121 @goodone121
      
      Where did she say, "Obama IS Satan"?! She said Obama "is working hand in hand with Satan to turn America against GOD and HIS Commandments." Get it?! "[W]orking hand in hand." I also SPECIFICALLY excepted her last sentence.
      Also, I know what hyperbole is.
    - Glen S
      
      "If we support Obama we are supporting Satan."
      
      "Voting for Obama is like voting for Satan against GOD"
      
      Really, please read the original post to which I was replying before posting. Hence, the term hyperbolic. They are clearly exaggerations to make a point. Grossly negligent and ignorant of the truth and Truth.
    - http://twitter.com/goodone121 @goodone121
      
      Once again, I SPECIFICALLY stated the last sentence was not to be taken literally, and we are supporting Satan BY PROXY if we support Obama.
    - Glen S
      
      Let me be perfectly clear! Any exaggeration to make a point is hyperbole. Not sure why you are having a hard time understanding that. Any hyperbole becomes a point with which to attack ALL Christians.
      
      For you and any other Christian to continue to compare the sitting President or anyone who supports the sitting President to Satan is grossly irresponsible and plainly ignorant.
      
      He is doing a horrible job, but at least do this and every other forum on which you may post the favor of pointing out why you think so. Hyperbole is a non-starting in any logical conversation.
    - Glen S
      
      Again, supporting Obama is supporting Satan. Even to add "by proxy" is a gross exaggeration of the truth and cannot be justified or supported by the facts.
    - http://twitter.com/goodone121 @goodone121
      
      It can.
      For example, he is throwing Israel under the bus. He also was taking taxpayer-funded vacations every other week, until recently, forced Obamacare on the majority (who, repeatedly, when polled, rejected it), revealed state secrets (I am not talking about the anonymous leaks, mind you, but things that can be directly traced to him, such as Seal Team 6) and spent us into oblivion paying back his bigger campaign donors.
    - Evermyrtle
      
      Right. he has promoted the legalizing of abomination and beastality, HIS WORD say that in both cases every who takes part is to be put to death. He is promoting everything that pertains to JESUS CHRIST out every public place He is striving to kill all laws pertaining to GOD and JESUS CHRIST.
      
      Then we have the "TREE":
      
      Mat 7:15-20
      15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. (does this sound like being kind)
      16. You shall know them by their fruits. So men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles:
      17. Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit
      18. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
      19. Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down and cast into the fire
      20. Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them.
      
      You can find such scripture in Matt 12:33; Luke 6:43-45.
    - Glen S
      
      And this is supporting Satan how? You continue to make leaps of logic which are not supported by or even justified by your arguments. Reveal state secrets (if he has authorized them) is not supporting Satan. In order for that to be remotely true, one would have to maintain that the United States is God's modern day Israel. We are not nor have we ever been children of the original covenant.
      
      So, you have failed to explain how any of the actions of the current President violate the laws of God any more than your hatred of him violates the Law of God. Are you therefore supporting Satan as well?
    - http://twitter.com/goodone121 @goodone121
      
      If you're talking to me, I don't hate the standing President's PERSON, just his ACTIONS. If you're talking to Evermyrtle, I can't say with any certainty, but have reason to believe, the same applies to her.
      Also, what about the other things I outlined, such as ignoring the (repeatedly) expressed will of his employers?!
    - Glen S
      
      Ignoring the will of the people is neither inherently treasonous or Satanic.
    - Glen S
      
      As stated before, I don't support this president either. However, it is illogical and completely without merit to state or allude that this president is treasonous or Satanic. Both conclusion provide evidence that the believer of such conclusions is uneducated and all believers are prone to "flights of fancy."
    - http://twitter.com/goodone121 @goodone121
      
      I maintain it IS treasonous to go against the will of his employers, and repeatedly at that.
aceituna

The apostles in the book of Acts were told by the authorities to quit preaching in the name of Jesus. Their answer " We must obey God rather than man."

Randy131

Should a Christian support Obama? That depends on whether the Christian was taught propperly to serve GOD first, family second, country third, and all else afterward. To serve GOD one must obey and live by His precepts, mandates, and laws, as are described by His holy word in the Bible. In order to support Obama, one must decide if Obama's policies and agendas are congruent to, or support GOD's precepts, mandates, or laws? Obama's, and the Democrats', policies and agendas are as follows; Support abortions (the killing of GOD's innocent children), ban the 'Ten Commandments' in our schools and courts (GOD's laws handed down through Moses), ban Prayer and the name of Jesus in schools, public facilities, and public gatherings (banning the worship of GOD and recognition of His Son in public), promote homosexuality through rights (Leviticus: Ch.18 Vs.22, Ch.20 Vs.13), ban 'Capital Punishment' (Numbers: Ch.35 Vs.16-21) and prosecuting as 'Hate Crimes' the proselytizing of some of GOD's words in the Bible. After knowing all this, I don't think a true Christian could or should, support not only Obama, but any Democrat.

Granny

I agree Randy131, the Democrats according to all I have read have sold their souls to the Communist party.
- daves
  
  You need to stop believing everything you read.
  - tennessee
    
    And you sir need to read more.
thedreamweaver

Randy131……well said. I don't see you often. Where have you been?
msjallen

Randy, I agree. Now if we can get the GOP to go back to their original politcal plateform and honor our Constitution we might have a change in WDC. Too many Republicans are RINO and side with the demoRats too much.
Kalev

Right on Randy131, glad you understand the Old Testament is still applicable and you faith should find it's foundation in the Old Testament as well as the New.
- daves
  
  Romans 13:1-14
  Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
  - Sharon B.
    
    Unless, daves, God allowed this man to become president to show the rest of us what can happen when you elect someone for all the wrong reasons. The verse you quoted pertains to the laws of our government, not the actions of the president himself. This man says he is a Christian and I am not qualified to dispute that — only God is. BUT, I doubt if you will find any mature Christians who believe abortion is a woman's "right" — just because a child would be an inconvenience, and certainly not late-term abortions. This president believes both of those things are A-OK. He refuses to make our nation's borders secure, got a Border Patrol agent killed with a highly-illegal gunrunning scheme that was supposed to help support his call for a ban on guns, apparently leaked classified information to the press that just about ruined our intelligence-gathering credibility around the world and put many agents in danger, wants us to come under the rule of the United Nations and give up our sovereignty, etc., etc., etc. That's just the tip of the iceberg. I will be the first to admit that I do not like his Socialistic/Marxist/Communist philosophy and policies; but, I do still pray for God to give him wisdom to lead this country correctly the rest of his term in office. This next time we go to the polls to elect our president, we better not vote just to be PC or because he is a brotha. (Both were done in this last election by vast quantities of people who never even tried to make sure his principles, ideology, and morals matched their own and we're all having to pay for that ill-advised vote now.)
Evermyrtle

Excellent post Randy and true, thanks!!
Betz

For the record, organized prayer in public schools was banned by the Supreme Court in 1962. Obama was one.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_year_was_prayer_banned_in_public_school

A. J.

I am appalled that any Christian takes this president at his word when he says he is a Christian. Why is there so much naivete among Christians? Could it be that Christians are not acquainted with the Word of God? that they accept as truth everything that is preached from the pulpit? Ministers of the Gospel will be held accountable before God at the Judgment for failing to declare truth, and for failing to warn their flocks of evil and its consequences. We dare not gloss over sin. Repent, America, and seek God's face. He is our only Hope. A Christian is a follower of Jesus Christ, plain and simple.

Granny

Obama is a Muslim plain and simple. He may mouth that he is a Christian, but his actions speak differently.

bighoss

Sure–and he was born in Kenya too, according to you die-hard birther nut jobs!

Good grief! Never in the history of American politics have so many been so determinedly ignorant and biased and just plainly and simply brain dead concerning the religious beliefs of a President.
- John
  
  And what you are saying is the truth?…….Please get an education and quit preaching to others untruths.
  - bighoss
    
    I have plenty of education, which is useful in dealing with deluded dupes like YOU.
    - Despeville
      
      I would have to affirm that you are one of the few educated people who post here despite the fact that I do not agree with your political views and your arminianism. I get the feeling that I could learn a lot from you while over the water.
    - bighoss
      
      I will be over the water tomorrow in hot pursuit of the mighty smallmouth! It is hot-weather stream-wadin' time in Alabama! Get out the Clousers and the bead-headed crystal woolly boogers and go for 'em!
    - Despeville
      
      Yea, smalls love that, don't they?
      
      Peek: http://bit.ly/KG956f
    - bighoss
      
      Yes, and where I fish most, it seems that the white booger is the preferred one, although I have had some good results with purple. I get 'em here: http://www.flyshack.com/DisplayItem.aspx?ItemID=2…
    - Despeville
      
      Nice color. Water must be not that clear in those spots I gather?
- keyboardshark
  
  Obama admits on video that he is a Muslim:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCAffMSWSzY
- keyboardshark
  
  bighoss says: "Sure–and he was born in Kenya too, according to you die-hard birther nut jobs!"
  
  No, he was born in Kenya according to his literary agent, his grandmother, his wife, Kenyan officials, and others:
  http://www.infowars.com/evidence-obama-born-in-ke…
  
  Evidence that Obama was born in the African country is abundant.
- EVERMYRTLE
  
  Believe this is the person who does not make judgments! Believe it or not.! but he is an "Obamite" He only mAkes judgements about those he does not agree with, like Christian. It seem that he is like his "hero" THE CHRIST HATER
  - Vladimir
    
    He also hates Mormons.

Richard Colonel

Should a Christian support Obama? Darn tooting, all Christians should support Obama. I cannot stomach the idea of a Moron, I mean Mormon President. Not to mention that he was a draft dodger back when most of his peers were being drafted into the military. So while his peers were in Vietnam, Mitt Romney was doing ministry work, as a "minister of religion" through the MOrmon Church in France and Gay Paree!

guest

obama was not in the military and he treats our military badly.
Can't you see he is destroying our country? What will it take to make people see what kind of person he is. He is so unqualified to be president.
mesamanp47

The only moron here is the bogus colonel who likely is also a draft dodger and most certainly a hypocrite. He find a job, go off welfare, and quite whining.
Roy

We had a good man rnning but the lieing media would not suport him or help Ron Paul why???????? maybe that we need to stop watching the news on tv,I alredy have.
Wake up all you true blooded Americans before its to late if is not allready.
God bless America.
God bless Ron Paul and my he return to us in some party.
Charles Jemeyson

Richard Col:

I will hold my nose and VOTE for Romney.
I don't want that weasel in office and put up with him another four years. He is RUINING America.

I will vote for the Mormon not a moron!

Semper Fi,
Charles, SGT. USMC, 64-67
Mike

Obama is the tool of satan. I would rather have have Romney.

mesamanp47

As a very active Christian in my own congregation, I submit to you that active Christians or Jews should not tolerate the despicable antics of President Obama regarding national security, the freedoms espoused in the bill of rights, and his acceptance of the islam religion. Whether this acceptance is tacit or overt, it still erodes the religious values of Christians and Jews. His refusal to stand firm with Christians and Jews, and his influence over the actions of his underlings, display contempt and even disdain towards religious values. His selfishness and ruthlessness to become the un-contested ruler of the United States, disregarding the constitution in his efforts, are tantamount to treason. He must be removed from this office in November.

Glen S

As a "very active Christian" in your congregation you should know that defaming the character of other posters is un-Christian.
- mesamanp47
  
  Gee, Glen, it works for you now doesn't it. Besides I don't see you in any position to pass judgment on my behavior so go un-Christian yourself.
  - Glen S
    
    Actually, you are the one who identifies yourself as Christian. Your behavior is, therefore, open to the judgements of all others who are believers. Calling a sitting President treasonous is lazy and fallacious! He has, in fact, done nothing to be labeled as such. Was Nixon treasonous? Was Clinton? How about Pres. Bush when he signed into law an act which strips away the rights of citizens as well as non-citizens.
    
    Too often on this and other forums, Christians hide their ignorance and intolerance under hyperbole, exaggeration, and Biblical quotes taken out of context or just plan used for their own devices.
    
    With your blatant exaggerations and accusation throwing are exactly why so many are turning away from the Gospel Truths instead of toward it.
    
    Just goes to show give someone a computer and an internet connection, and they can demonstrate just how fullish they are.
    - mesaman
      
      We both agree on one point, Glenny, "He has, in fact, done nothing……". You and the other horsesa** need to form a village idiot's club and give your knowledge a rest.
    - Glen S
      
      Wow, profanity and stupidity all in less than two lines. Is this was qualifies a Christianity at your church? Maybe it is you who should give your keyboard a rest. Better yet! Go to some of the political sites where this kind of immaturity is tolerated.
    - mesaman
      
      I was thinking much the same. You and hossy belong on the AHole-L or Huff"NPuff lefty site.
Evermyrtle

Can you name on thing he has done for America that we can tolerate without one critical word, one thing that we can praise him for.?
- mesaman
  
  NO!

bighoss

Show us the TREASON! It is a serious thing to accuse the President of treason. I challenge you to put up your case on here, showing just what grounds for treason you find.

If this President were actually doing something that equates to treason, it would be the DUTY of responsible persons in the Congress to bring an impeachment action against him on grounds of treason. They have not done so, which means either that (1)there is no liberal or conservative element in Congress willing to do its duty to bring such an action or (2) there are no grounds for such an action, notwithstanding the unexplicated and reckless assertions of disordered and ignorant persons such as YOU!

Gdrakeramscorp

Ah leaking classified national security activities to make himself look good comes to mind as well as suing states for making sure their borders are secure and investigating potential for voter fraud!
- bighoss
  
  None of that is proven. Opinions do not demonstrate treason. When someone with standing to bring a charge of treason against the President actually does so, then you will have a case. Until then, all you have done is speculate and speculation, like talk, is cheap.
  - Gdrake
    
    Maybe you should tell Florida ,Alabama and Arizona that they are only imagining that the federal government is suing them
    - Von
      
      Please do not forget he along with Mexico sued Arizona,Obama joined in with Mexico on this suit,is this not an act of treason
    - Vladimir
      
      How about social engineering our military. Open homosexuality in the military adds no value to our nation's defensive capability and will destroy our armed forces over time as homosexuals are rushed to the top so we can be politically correct. Morale and recruitment will begin to slide until we have a mess we can't fix. Without a strong defensive capability we become the "paper tiger" China use to call us.
      
      Destroying our country is definitely treason.
    - Glen S
      
      Wow, educated individuals are still on the "treason" band wagon. Great testimony!
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      1. Twenty-five nations now allow gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military.
      
      2. In many of those countries, debate before the policy changes was highly pitched
      and many people both inside and outside the military predicted major disruptions.
      In Britain and Canada, roughly two thirds of military respondents in polls said
      they would refuse to serve with open gays, but when inclusive policies were
      implemented, no more than three people in each country actually resigned.
      
      3. Research has uniformly shown that transitions to policies of equal treatment
      without regard to sexual orientation have been highly successful and have had no
      negative impact on morale, recruitment, retention, readiness or overall combat
      effectiveness. No consulted expert anywhere in the world concluded that lifting
      the ban on openly gay service caused an overall decline in the military.
      
      4. The updated research conducted for this study confirm that early assessments by
      both military and independent analysts hold across time: none of the successes
      and gains of transitions to full inclusion were reversed by any of the nations
      studied, or yielded delayed problems over the years in which these militaries
      allowed openly gay service.
      http://www.palmcenter.org/publications/dadt/gays_…
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      What Does the Empirical Research Say about the Impact of Openly Gay Service on the Military?
      Research on openly gay service is extensive, and includes over half a century of evidence gathered by independent researchers and the U.S. military itself, as well as the study of the experience of foreign militaries. The U.S. military’s own researchers have consistently found that openly gay service does not undermine cohesion, and the military has repeatedly sought to condemn or suppress these conclusions when they emerged. Yet no research has ever shown that open homosexuality impairs military readiness.
    - Vladimir
      
      My experience as a military officer trumps all "research". A predatory gay noncom can destroy the cohesiveness of a unit. Even a non-predatory gay noncom will sow suspicion as to the motives of his decisions. To a lesser degree, women in small units mixed with men place an added burden on the unit and the leadership. If I am facing an enemy commander, I want less, not more problems than he has.
      
      Social engineering in the military is unwarrented, ill advised, and will lead to disaster in the long run. To impose it on our only defense is treason.
      
      So, Jeff Dixon, you can take all of your "research" and put it where the sun don't shine.
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      The experiences of one person hardly trumps research. You are merely expressing your biased views. You might as well take the opinion of a member of the Flat Earth Society when they claim that they know the Earth is flat because they can not see it the Earth curve.
    - Vladimir
      
      Coming from one that hasn't walked the walk and dealt with Army units as XO and CO, you are displaying a severe lack of wisdom on this subject.
      
      Go ahead say something else that demonstrates ignorance and lack of practical experience. Why don't you quote some more "research". That will surely convince me.
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      Researchers are talking with people who have walked the walk and that is what they base their conclusions on.
    - Vladimir
      
      And I also have talked with people who have also walked the walk. We tend to run into each other over the years. These guys don't have agendas like "researchers". They are professionals and they relate their experience from the heart. Open homosexuality has no place in the military. Every one of us agrees to a man. No CO wants to deal with that in their units. There is no plus for what Obama did except for him getting donations and votes. America lost big time.
    - keyboardshark
      
      @Jeff
      
      Researchers' can also manipulate statistics to make it appear that virtually everyone in the military are happy campers when it comes to being in close quarters with homosexuals. I suggest you pay attention to someone like Vlad who has actually been in a close-quarters situation.
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      And someone like Vlad can manipulate the story of what he experienced based on his bias of gays. The difference is that there are multiple researchers who are all arriving at the same conclusion after talking with many people with experience in the matter.
      
      You want to believe Vlad because he validates your bias, but that is not how research is actually done.
    - keyboardshark
      
      @Jeff
      
      Then let me ask you: As a heterosexual, would you be comfortable sleeping in close quarters with and sharing showers with open homosexuals, where they would likely see you in an undressed state? Be honest now. I can flatly say that I would not, and I find it hard to believe that the vast majority of heterosexual soldiers would be, either. I suspect the poll results have a lot to do with the way the questions are worded and whether they count a neutral response as an affirmative answer to pad the 'gay' column.
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      You make it sound as if the homosexuals go around molesting straight people. I think the bigger concern would be for the openly gay men getting harassed by people who do not like them.
      
      But to answer your question, no it would not bother me.
    - keyboardshark
      
      Sure, that could happen too, which is just one more reason why openly homosexual men should not serve. I'm not saying it is right, but if a soldier has disdain for a fellow soldier who is a homosexual, that will certainly affect the morale and cohesiveness of the fighting unit.
      
      I doubt that a soldier would want someone who he disdains as his partner on a life-or-death mission where they are relying upon one another. Why play around with immoral social engineering in a situation like that? The military is not the place to conduct a politically correct liberal social indoctrination experiment. Lives will be needlessly lost and morale will suffer.
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      That is the exact same argument that was used when blacks were allowed in the military.
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      You will probably reply it is not the same. I will counter it is exactly the same. Based on what you will ask??? The research I will reply.
    - keyboardshark
      
      Being black is not a sinful behavior. Being homosexual is.
    - Steve03
      
      A heterosexual NCO can do every bit as much damage, even if he's after financial gain or just on a power trip. It's the officer's job to keep them in line or get rid of them. Apparently you didn't get the memo or weren't up to the job.
      For 18 years, way back before "don't ask, don't tell," I was one of the guys who got to break the news to commanders that the background investigation on Major X or GySgt Y had come back, and he or she was an active homosexual and would have to be discharged. Every single time the first response was "That can't be true. That's one of my best people."
    - keyboardshark
      
      @Steve03
      
      If you are talking about behavior in general, then yes, I would agree that heterosexual and homosexual soldiers should not be treated any differently, but only IF the homosexual has not declare his homosexuality nor attempt to engage in that behavior while with his unit. That is the big difference today–they now want to allow openly homosexual men to serve and be in close quarters with heterosexuals. Why do you think male and female soldiers are separated? The answer should be obvious.
      
      As you have noted from your personal experience, some homosexuals can perform quite capably in the armed forces, and it must have been difficult for you to have to break the news of their discharge. But again, only if the man is able to set aside his sexual proclivity entirely while with his unit and his performance of his duties does not suffer in any way because of his lifestyle, should he be allowed to serve.
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      You would allow gay men that do not flaunt their sexuality to be in the military. That is 99.99999999999999% of them.
    - keyboardshark
      
      According to whom? That would be a question better answered by someone who is actually in, or has been in, the military. Someone like Vlad, perhaps.
mesamanp47

bighoss(esa**) you need to wend your way to HUFF"NPUFF or AHOLE-L for your ultra-leftwing crap. You are not in the position to challenge anyone, nor are you capable of asserting anything more than a gimpy, lame opinion. My opinion is not lame or gimpy because I stand behind principles and I, unlike you, would not wrench my neck if Obammie made a quick right turn.
- daves
  
  Leviticus 19:18:
  You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself.
  
  "But I say to you that anyone who is angry with a brother will be subjected to judgment. And whoever insults a brother will be brought before the council, and whoever says ‘Fool’ WILL BE SENT to fiery hell."
  ~ Matthew 5:22
  - mesaman
    
    Is your picture next to the definition of "raving maniac" in the dictionary? Now take your vengeance and use it as a colon cleanser.
- bighoss
  
  The lame and gimpy opinion is YOURS indeed, mesaman47. You have yet to enunciate anything that rises to the level of treason other than in your own disordered mind, which apparently is willing to claim treason on the part of a President whose politics do not fit your ultra-rigid wing-nut model.
  - mesaman
    
    If you'd quit whinnying and slobbering in your oats you might read around your own myopic comprehension of what treason is all about. You are nothing more than a card carrying member of the WHINOs (whimpering headless ignorami nurturing Obama. You think I give a rat's squat what a clueless libby dungbeetle thinks? But it is great fun to poke you blind people with a stick.
keyboardshark

bighoss says: "Show us the TREASON!"

"Treason is generally defined as "betrayal of country: a violation of the allegiance owed by somebody to his or her own country, e.g. by aiding an enemy."

High treason is defined as "treason perpetrated by somebody against his or her own country."

Another apt definition of treason is "any attempt to overthrow the government or impair the well-being of a state to which one owes allegiance; the crime of giving aid or comfort to the enemies of one's government."

It is my contention that Barack Hussein Obama has perpetrated all of these. It is also my assertion that our current Congress and our increasingly leftist court system have allowed — and continue to allow — Obama to perpetrate such treachery upon the United States of America and its citizens with impunity.

From the start, Obama has defrauded and undermined our country

Prior to his 2008 campaign, Obama was never vetted as to his eligibility to run for the office of president.

Once elected to the most powerful position in America, and arguably the world, Obama then issued an executive fiat that all of his prior records (school transcripts, passport information, birth certificate, etc.) were to be sealed and summarily hidden from the American people and the world.

Since that time, Obama has produced multiple "birth certificates" that have each been proven to be fraudulent, including the ostensible long-form birth certificate released April 27, 2011.

Within the first week of his presidency, Obama also issued executive orders to fund foreign countries' abortions, donate at least $20 million to terrorist Hamas (under the guise of "Palestinian relief"), and begin testing his ability to censor public information through another executive order to ban showing or posting the video of his retaking the Oath of Office. Along with myriad other mysteries, one has to ponder why this was a great concern to Obama.

Shortly thereafter, Obama issued another executive order that brought the Census Bureau under his sole jurisdiction and control. This strongly appears to have been effected by Obama in order that he — alone — would have the ability to interpret and skew any and all census results that did not meet with his approval.

Once he gained (many say "usurped") the office of the presidency, Obama has undertaken repeated attempts to unravel the First Amendment. These attempts have ranged from banning and refusing to speak with reporters who asked him tough questions to actually locking them in closets!

With no one stopping him, the Obama syndicate becomes increasingly bolder and more criminal every day."

TO READ THE REST: http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/zieve/110621
- bighoss
  
  If evidence of treason on the part of the President is as abundant and as persuasive as you seem to believe, then kindly tell me why not even one of the scores of Congressional representatives empowered to propose an impeachment on grounds of treason has done so. As badly as the right wing nuts want this President out of office, it would appear that somewhere in the ranks of the Tea Party members elected in 2010, at least ONE would step forth and attempt to initiate impeachment proceedings on grounds of treason. This links below show just what kind of wing nut ASSertions of treason have come from the extremist right. Read them for a good laugh"
  http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2396579/…
  http://jaghunters.blogspot.com/2009/03/tuesday-17…
  - keyboardshark
    
    bighoss says: "If evidence of treason on the part of the President is as abundant and as persuasive as you seem to believe, then kindly tell me why not even one of the scores of Congressional representatives empowered to propose an impeachment on grounds of treason has done so."
    
    I'd like to know the same thing. Obviously, they are shirking their duties. Ridicule of opponents of Obama will not transform him into a person of integrity. He has repeatedly shown himself to be untrustworthy, and will continue to do so if reelected. For example, his 'girlfriend' that he has told us about has now been revealed to not be a real person, but a 'composite' of several different persons.
    http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/05/what_does_…
    
    Obama was born in Kenya, yet claims to have been born in Hawaii. And on and on it goes.
    
    How you can support a man with such a lack of integrity, and a man that we know so little about because he has sealed virtually all his records is beyond me, bighoss. The man is no friend of the USA.
    - bighoss
      
      Born in Kenya??!! You betray your inanity by your adherence to the discredited, silly-ass "birther" theory. There is no reasoning with the unreasonable, shark, and you have demonstrated that reason is a skill you have missed out on.
    - keyboardshark
      
      That's an easy one bighoss:
      
      "The establishment media hastily seized on yesterday’s (5/17/12) explosive story about a literary publication listing Barack Obama’s birthplace as Kenya in an effort to claim that the 1991 brochure was the “origin” of the entire ‘birther’ issue. In reality, evidence that Obama was born in the African country is abundant.
      
      A literary agent’s promotional text for a 1991 brochure released yesterday by Breitbart.com states Obama was “born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”
      Yahoo News, along with a deluge of other mainstream news outlets, responded by reporting that the document was potentially the “source” of the birther controversy and had merely been a mistake.
      The literary agent who wrote the description, Miriam Goderich, now works with Dystel & Goderich agency, which lists Obama as one of its clients. Unsurprising therefore that Goderich hastily claimed listing Obama’s birthplace as Kenya was “nothing more than a fact checking error.”
      
      However, evidence to indicate that Obama war born in Kenya is plentiful and it goes significantly beyond the 1991 version of the brochure.
      - Despite claiming the passage about Obama’s birthplace being Kenya was a mistake, the listing still maintained that Obama’s birthplace was Kenya until after Obama became a U.S. Senator. “Goderich’s statement fails to explain why the “fact checking error” persisted for sixteen years, through at least three different versions of Jane Dystel’s website, and through at least four different versions of Obama’s biography,” reports Breitbart.com.
      
      - The literary agency also updated the text in June 1998, but the part about Obama being born in Kenya was retained.
      
      - The text was again updated in February 2005 to reflect the fact that Obama had become a Senator, but Kenya was still listed as his birthplace.
      
      - After an April 2007 modification of the text, the passage still read Obama, “was born in Kenya.”
      
      - As Steve Boman reveals, the Dystel & Goderich agency asks its clients to submit their own biography, meaning it’s virtually impossible the listing of Obama’s birthplace as Kenya could have been a “fact checking error” on behalf of the literary company itself.
      
      - During a speech about HIV, First Lady Michelle Obama said she and Barack Obama “visited his home country of Kenya.” Watch the clip below.
      
      - In 2008, Obama’s paternal step grandmother appeared to indicate publicly that Barack Obama was born in Kenya. In an interview conducted by American Christian minister Ron McRae, Sarah Obama was asked, ‘Were you present when your grandson was born in Kenya?’” McRae testified in his sworn statement. “This was asked to her in translation twice, and both times she replied, “Yes! Yes she was! She was present when Obama was born.”
      
      - Another source who met Sarah Obama told World Net Daily, “I have keenly and attentively listened to the tape over and over again, and I can confirm from Sarah’s own confession that Barack Obama was born in Kenya in her presence.”
      
      - A separate Kenyan government official agreed, stating, “I have listened to the tape. The preacher asked whether Barack Obama was born in Mombassa, and the translator asked the same. When she said Mombassa, it was like a surprise, and those there thought she could not have meant to say Mombassa.”
      
      - When New York Times bestselling author Jerome Corsi traveled to Kenya to investigate the claims, he was almost immediately kicked out of the country by Kenyan officials.
      
      - When Kenya’s National Security Intelligence Service investigated claims that Obama was born in Kenya, officials in Nairobi found “relevant birth records may have been removed or were missing.”
      
      - Obama has deep political connections in Kenya. From 2006 onwards he rallied in support of Islamist Raila Odinga in Kenya, helping him impose Sharia law. When Odinga lost the Kenyan election in 2008, his supporters rioted, unleashing a wave of violence. Despite the bloodshed, Obama used his influence to aid Odinga in retaining his position as part of a coalition government.
      
      For the mainstream media to imply that the 1991 brochure is the “source” of the claim that Obama was born in Kenya is completely inaccurate. Not only was that brochure updated many times right up until 2007, with the information about Obama’s birthplace being Kenya retained, but there are numerous other factors which all indicate that Kenya could indeed be Obama’s homeland." http://www.infowars.com/evidence-obama-born-in-ke…
- Steve03
  
  "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court" (US Constitution, Article III Section 3).
  Not only is you definition of treason flatly wrong, it's the most truthful sentence in your screed.
  Proverbs says "Lying lips are an abomination to the LORD," and 1 TImothy ranks liars with murders, homosexuals, and kidnappers. Birds of a feather . . .
  - keyboardshark
    
    @ Steve03
    
    So, you are apparently calling me a liar? Nice. Funny how liberals are so quick to level that accusation against anyone who disagrees with them. Guess it must be because their arguments lack any factual credibility. Ad hominem attacks seem to be the default tactic of the day for liberals because they know that their ideas will not stand the scrutiny of the free marketplace of thought. Better read this, though, and you may want to re-think your accusation.
    
    "The Merriam-Webster online dictionary defines TREASON as “the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance.” The US Constitution, in Article III, Section 3, addresses treason: “Treason against the United States, shall consist … giving them [enemies] Aid and Comfort.” Treason, as defined by the framers of the US Constitution, is “… aiding the enemies of the USA.”
    
    The last time I looked, Russia was still an enemy of the USA, if for no other reason than its Iran policies: opposition of oil sanctionsand “regrets” Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Further, Russians were spying on the USA.
    
    So what? you say. That is nothing new. But now guess who wants to give USA secrets to Russia: President Barack Hussein Obama. Obama told Congress on January 4, 2012, that he is prepared to share US missile defense secrets with Russia. Obama said restrictions aimed at protecting top-secret technical data on US Standard Missile-3 (SM-3) velocity burnout parameters might impinge on his constitutional foreign policy authority. [emphasis mine]
    
    US officials are planning to provide Moscow with the SM-3 data, despite reservations from security officials who say that doing so could compromise the effectiveness of the system by allowing Russian weapons technicians to counter the missile. Further, there are concerns that Russia could share the secret data with China, and rogue states such as Iran and North Korea, to help their missile programs defeat US missile defenses. Obama is willing to give away a technological secrets highly desired by Russia (and especially by China) in a liberal pursuit of a thirty-year-old grudge against President Ronald Reagan’s policy of “peace through strength.”
    
    And this is not the first time he has given away missile secret. As part of the Strategic Arms Reduction Treaty(START) signed by President Barack Hussein Obama in February, 2011, information about every Trident missile the US supplies to Great Britain will be given to Russia. The fact that the Americans used British nuclear secrets as a bargaining chip also sheds new light on the “special relationship” between the US and Great Britain. Classified messages show how information on Britain’s nuclear capability was crucial to securing Russia’s support for the “New START” treaty. So now we see that Obama thinks his “accomplishments” are more important than the interest of allies.
    
    Will the Barack Hussein Obama outrage never end? He is determined to destroy the USA any way he can. He has tried economics. He has tried class warfare. Now he wants to aid an enemy of the USA. The US Constitution says its treason, I say it’s treason, most readers of this website will say it’s treason. Now it is time for us (and the US) to make sure everyone knows what he is doing. And where is the MSM? As usual, shilling for Obama by not doing their job!"
    http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/has-obama-f…
    - Steve03
      
      Your grasp of the informal fallacies is as shaky as your understanding of constitutional law. To say that X is a "libreal" and therefore everything X says is false is to make an ad hominem argument. To say that Y insists that false and misleading statements are true and therefore Y is a liar is to state the truth in a loving and honest way.
      The United States has enemies (as the Constitution understands the term) only when Congress has formally declared war on some other power. As no such delcaration has been made since World War II, Russia is not an enemy. And it's a good thing for you, because you posts from sodahead and renewamerica would be treasonable under your own definition of treason. Your sources must be getting their talking points from al-Qaeda or the Islamic Republic of Iran.
    - keyboardshark
      
      When did I say that "everything" a liberal says is false? Nice straw man argument. I said it was liberals who accused others of lying when they disagree with liberals, and the facts do not support the liberal position. Quite a stretch to go from that to "keyboardshark says everything a liberal says is false". I think it may be you who needs to brush up on the logical fallacies.
      
      You are in fact proving my point precisely that liberals cannot simply stick with the facts when arguing their position, but have to resort to personal attacks and ridicule/slander of sources of information their opponents use ("Your sources must be getting their talking points from al-Qaeda or the Islamic Republic of Iran.") If you cannot simply conduct a factual argument without these tactics, it calls into question your entire philosophy.
      
      As for your 'constitutional' definition of enemies, I would ask you to supply a specific source for this definition. If it is in the Constitution, please cite the Article and Section.
    - Steve03
      
      US v Graethouse et al. 26 Fed Case 18
    - keyboardshark
      
      I cannot locate that case from a web search. Do you mean Dennis v. United States? That is the only case that comes up on a search of the term "US v Graethouse et al" that may be applicable.
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_v._United_Sta…
      
      "The Court rule affirmed the conviction of the petitioner, a leader of the Communist Party in the United States. Dennis had been convicted of conspiring and organizing for the overthrow and destruction of the United States government by force and violence under provisions of the Smith Act.
      
      In affirming the conviction, a plurality of the Court adopted Judge Learned Hand's formulation of the clear and present danger test:
      In each case [courts] must ask whether the gravity of the "evil," discounted by its improbability, justifies such invasion of free speech as necessary to avoid the danger."

Despeville

A Christian is in a tough place this year and years after too. Either way there will be a pagan anti Gospel stooge in the White House.

Vladimir

Dear Despeville, if only you could be as accomplished or successful as Mitt Romney. Your comment reflects poorly on you.
- Despeville
  
  What his business accomplishments have to do with true God? Do you think he can buy himself out from the Wrath of God that will be poured out on him as it will be on you? Is that what they brainwashed you with? Ponder on this truth debunking yet again your religious pretensions and worldly loyalties that will perish with you as they will with Romney
  
  "For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and forfeit his soul?"
  (Mark 8:36 ESV)
  - Vladimir
    
    You modified accomplishments with the word "business". Nice try.
    - Despeville
      
      So what are those "accomplishments" that I missed… Can you be for once specific and not ambiguous?
    - Vladimir
      
      Off the top of my head, Mitt Romney successfully raised five sons, pulled the winter Olympics out of the fire, pulled Massachusetts out of the red, served his church in at least three very demanding positions and is mounting a good political campaign for president. And he isn't wasting his time online like you and I are.
      
      I'd say criticism from anyone who can't match his success is bordering on the pathetic.
    - Despeville
      
      How is any of that changing the fact that he is lost?
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      It is not a fact, it is an opinion. An idiotic opinion, but an opinion nonetheless.
Kalev

Yes and the lesser of two evils is still evil.
- http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
  
  In your belief system, ALL mankind is evil. Therefore, it would be impossible to have an election with someone who is not evil.

Gene

I can think of a lot of reasons not to support Obama, including his lack of respect for the sanctity of life, his support for same sex marriage, his irresponsible governance – spending +$1 trillion per year more than we have to spend, seating two Supreme Court justices who are clearly unqualified, Obamacare, gun running in Mexico by the ATF, lying to the American public on many occasions, and more.

Is Romney better? I don't know (for certain) but he (appears)to be a better alternative to Obama and I don't want four more years of Obama.

I hoped for better from Obama – that he could help bring a divided country together. Yet all he does is further divide a politicized nation as he pits white versus black, rich versus poor, those opposed to same sex marriage versus the minority who support this pervsersion, and so on.

This nation will be a far better place when Obama is voted out of office on Nov 6th. It may take years to undo the mess that he has created but it is clearly in our best interest to get rid of him before he becomes an American Ceasar.

I hope that Romney spends his first week in office undoing all the executive orders and mandates that Obama put in place and restore some semblance of order from the chaos that now exists.

Glen S

I can think of a lot of reasons not to support him as well. But treason is not one of them, nor is it inherently un-Christian to support him. I might think it foolish, but not lacking in faith.

Sirwizard

Look at the Democrat Platform. Do you support it? Do you support the murder of children in the womb? If so, it is NOT POSSIBLE to be a Christian and a Democrat at the same time. Democrats want to REPLACE God.

Roy

Untill you can prove that someone other than GOD created anyting or hung one star in the ski then he is nothing but a faluse what ever.
- Vladimir
  
  Go back to sleep, Roy.

Evermyrtle

This is not just my enemy, this is GOD'S enemy He has massive hate for GOD'S SON AND MY SAVIOR, JESUS CHRIST. He even has a form of JESUS, who he and his kind say did not die on the cross nor did he rise from the dead. If you want to love this enemy of GOD and do GOOD TO HIM, that is your choice.
GOD'S people do not honor GOD'S enemies.

Glen S

Well, if he is indeed God's enemy (which is highly unlikely); then God will deal with him on His timing. It is not for the Christian to be judgmental of a person, just the person's actions.

Great Christian message! (Sarcasm intended.)
- EVERMYRTLE
  
  Matt. 7: 1-5
  1. Judge not, that you be not judged.
  2. For with what judgment you judge, yo shall be judged: and with what measure you mete,it shall be measured to you again.
  3. And why behold you the mote that is in your brother; eye but consider not the beam that is in your own eye.
  4. Or how will you say to your brother, "Let me pull out the mote out of your eye; and, behold, a beam is in your own eye?
  5. Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then you shall see clearly to cast out the mote our of thy brother;s eye eye.
  
  Here it is saying it is OK to judge but get your own life straightened out first.
  
  Many will be called but few chosen
  
  John 7:22 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment
  
  To make decisions we have to make judgments and we do make many judgments every day. The point pointed out in all of this, is fair judgment or unfair judgment. Do we put other down for doing the same things. that we are doing.
  
  If we do not make a judgment, we cannot decide who to vote for, it is that simple
  - http://conservativebyte.com Michael G.
    
    Not necessarily "straightened out," but to deal with yourself first, and do so rightly. Then you'll be in a position to judge others.
    The word "Judge" from Vines Dictionary has several good definitions. One that stands out (among many) is: "KRINO" to form an opinion… ….of the exercise of a discerning judgement of all things as to their true value…"
    Most people use the word incorrectly. If you are never to make a judgement about anything, then we can never do anything that requires a decision.
    So I will continue to make judgment calls on everything; whether anyone thinks I can or not.
    Sorry. But I guess everyone will have to live with it.

Andy

In answer to the original question……….NO !

Wordman

A true Christian is one who GENERALLY shows that he is a Christian "in word and in deed." No one is perfect and we shouldn't be surprised when that becomes evident, but Obama's words and especially his actions as President do NOT meet the test. For good reason he has been called the all-time most hostile President toward Christianity. Therefore, Christians, black, white, red, yellow (Does it REALLY matter???) should not support the election of a man who is hostile (yes, hostile) to what they say are their most cherished beliefs. Besides, real Christians don't see themselves first as black or white. We are all of new race, re-born of a New Father. It's time we think, act, and, yes, even vote like it.

aceituna

Plus we are are descended from Adam and Eve and Noah and his wife!

Buck

Anyone that supports ANY demonrat , ( democrat ) , is not a Christian , regardless of how loud they shout it . The demonrats party planf calls for the murder of the unborn and total acceptance of sodomists , tolerance notwithstanding , these are not compatible with nor acceptable to Christianity , nor is the hate they spread to keep people divided .

Marilyn

Obama doesn't have any fruit that shows that he is a Christian. Everything he does now in the public to make people think he is a Christian is a lie to get votes. No a true Christian should not Vote for him!!!!!!!! He lies every time he opens his mouth!

bighoss

Your last sentence demonstrates that without question your hostility to the President is grounded in inanity!
- EVERMYRTLE
  
  By the way you judged Marilyn, boss!
  
  Matt. 7:15-20
  
  15. Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
  16. You shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes o thorns or figs of thistle
  17. Even so every good tree brings forth evil fruit, neither a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
  18. Every tree that brings not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
  
  Matt. 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
  
  By the way I make judgments every day and sometime after all is over I find I did not judge fairly.
  
  Whoever says he has no sin he lies, and the truth is not in him.
bighoss

Posting it again minus caps for emphasis does not make your drivel any more credible. Your deranged exaggerations deplete your credibility to near zero.
- EVERMYRTLE
  
  You judge everybody who makes judgments. What is it that make youR judgments any better than anybody else's??? I do realize that maybe some of ours are good, some are bad, but who gets to make that 'JUDGMENT?" YOU, OF COURSE!!!
  - bighoss
    
    I have long been capable of identifying extreme exaggeration and inanity. In doing so, I am not practicing judgment, just recognizing obvious reality.

LARRY TOOMEY

obama to me is the perfict figure of the ANTI-CRIST more so than hitler.

bighoss

Man! And I had thought "The Antichrist" was Prince Philip! Or maybe George Soros. Or maybe Lady Gaga. Oh–the hell with it!

I long ago gave up out-anti-christing folks like you. I'll just stick with the Bible, which says simply that antichrist is ANYONE who denies that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh (I John 4:3). That makes it easy to find MANY antichrists and removes any burden of finding the altogether fictional and unscriptural figure so dreaded by disordered dispensational premillennialists.

Evermyrtle

There are many anti-CHRIST people in the world., but there one ,who is labeled the"Anti-CHRIST. That is actually Satan and leads and controls all of the little antichrists.

sandykramer

In answer to the question:
Should a Christian support Obama?
Answer:
Only if the Christian is a pallbearer.

DavidE

Not NO, but HELL NO!!!

Winston

No. Absolutely NO! Barack Hussein Obama is the epitome of Satan's work on earth through fallen man.

smitty

Obama, Pelosi and Biden – all say that they are Christian, but their actions indicate otherwise!

Deepizzaguy

I would never support any politician who defends gay marriage, bows down to our enemies overseas. Obama will never get my vote for dog catcher of my neighborhood.