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What If Mitt Romney Were Jewish?

The Washington Post (WPO)’s Jason Horowitz reported this month that officials on Mitt Romney’s campaign don’t care much for journalistic explorations of their candidate’s religious beliefs.

One spokeswoman, Andrea Saul, has been throwing brushback pitches at reporters who write about Romney’s faith, asking if they would write similar stories about Jews.

According to Horowitz, Saul objected to sentences in an earlier Washington Post piece describing how Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism, is said to have discovered the golden plates that provided the theological underpinnings of his new faith.

“Would you write this sentence in describing the Jewish faith?” she asked, providing an example: “‘Jews believe their prophet Moses was delivered tablets on a mountain top directly from G-d after he appeared to him in a burning bush.’ Of course not, yet you reference a similar story in Mormonism.”

There’s nothing wrong with Saul’s compressed description of the moment Jews received God’s law, nor is there anything wrong with the Post’s description of Mormonism’s founding in upstate New York. But because I love Mad Libs as much as anyone, I thought I would try a small experiment, substituting Jewish concepts where appropriate in a recent New York Times (NYT) article about Romney’s faith, to see if Saul’s argument makes sense.

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  • Galen Robison

    Many of us including Mitt Romney are part Jewish. Our Jewish ancestor is Joseph of Arimathea. What of it?

    • Eileen

      How are you able to trace your ancestry back to Joseph of Arimathes?

      • http://youtu.be/HlD3Gaq4cN0 Despeville

        :) A good and reasonable question and sadly completely alien to these people…

  • Evermyrtle

    Deleted!!!!!!!!! I'll try, again.

    Whether he is Jewish, Mormon, Baptist, Methodist, is not the point. That means little There are good and bad in EVERY DENOMINATION. In no denomination do members believe everything that is being taught. The point is what in in the heart. Are we Christians? How do we feel about JESUS CHRIST? How do we feel about GOD'S commandments? Do we strive to follow them? Or are we disregarding them and making up our own rules, rules that benefits ourselves and our families, leaving GOD, JESUS CHRIST AND THE HOLY SPIRIT to others. We are a 'mindset' nation of people, we don't look at a man's heart, the way he believe or lives, it is the denomination he claims to follow.

    • ConstIva2

      "How do we feel about GOD'S commandments? Do we strive to follow them?" you said.
      Out of Ten Commandments, the first four are about your personal relations with God only: compliance with them directly doesn't affect anything else.
      But the last six are directly about your relations with other people: 1) Honor thy father and thy mother. 2) Thou shalt not kill. 3) Thou shalt not commit adultery. 4) Thou shalt not steal. 5) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor. 6) Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife. Thou shalt not covet thy neighbors goods.

      Do you honestly and seriously think that one can't obey those rules if s/he is not religious? Do you seriously think so?
      Those are COMMON SENSE rules that are valid in any society, all countries, no matter what religion is there – Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Sintoism, Buddhism, or whatever.

      As for the first four Commandments, I think that they are more specifically Jewish (One God, no the Holy Trinity, no images allowed, honoring Sabbath) than "interreligious" (Judaism and Christianity), which makes me always ponder: why on earth talks about so-called "Judeo-Christian" values have gotten into the habit particularly in recent years….

      • Evermyrtle

        Do you honestly and seriously thin that one can't obey those rules if she is not religious? First of all what do you men by religious? Do you seriously thing so? Of course they can practice them if they are not a Christian.

        What do you mean by religious? I seldom use the term because it is so meaningless. A person is either a Christian or he/she is not. There is no in between. To be a Christian and to be saved, you have to accept JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD AS YOUR SAVIOR. You can keep all of the commandments without being a Christian. JESUS CHRIST was with GOD when He created the universe, mankind was not aware of HIM until HE was born as a human so that HE could bring the world to GOD, as HIS SON. HE died a most horrendous on the cross which HE did volunteerly so that mankind could be saved through HIS BLOOD WHICH COVERS THE SINS OF THOSE WHO BELIEVE.

        There is some common sense involved in being saved, but you cannot be saved by common sense, alone. every commandment, the ten and all of the others have a specific purpose.

        Matt.5:17-22
        17. Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill
        18. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

        19. Whosoever therefore shall break on of these east commandments, and shall teach me so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

        20. For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes an Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

        21. You have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shall not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

        22. But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca. shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, :Thor fool" shall be in danger of hell fire.

        • ConstIva2

          "What do you mean by religious?…..A person is either a Christian or he/she is not. There is no in between. " you said.
          RELIGIOUS is a person who believes in God. Religious does not necessarily mean Christianity. It may be Judaism, Hinduism, Vishnaism, Sintoism, Buddhism, etc.
          Within Christianity, there are many different confessions, too: Catholicism, Protestantism, Baptism, Adventism, etc.
          So is also within other religions.
          I do understand and respect the fact that you are a fervent Christian Believer.

          But it's hard to imagine a more stupid answer than you managed to write responding to my comment. Sorry. It's my opinion.

          • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

            Christian or religious is the same idiotic concept.

          • http://youtu.be/HlD3Gaq4cN0 Despeville

            That would also include your religion of atheism Dodo?

          • msjallen

            My thoughts…It is religion that destroys the spread of Christianity. When people put their faith in anything besides Jesus Christ and His gospel they will be led astray. One may call themselves Christian but if they have not believed in Jesus Christ as their savior there is no eternal life. Religions do not teach the grace of God for salvation and living the Christian way of life; they have some type of “working” for their salvation and do-goodism to please their god. Every religious system only has dead leaders – Jesus Christ is alive and seated at the right hand of the Father – our savior. It is the risen Christ that confirms His substitutionary spiritual death on the cross. If at God consciousness one is positive to get information about God; He makes sure they get His message of salvation. Religions are the Devil’s Ace Trump.

          • Cravczec

            First his name is Yeshua, isn't now nor never was "Jesus Christ". Second; NOTHING destroys the church of Yeshua. The church of Yeshua has never been nor will it ever be in any sort of "trouble" or "Danger" If you have the desire to know Yahweh he will make it so. The fastest growing "spiritual" segment in the world today is that of the believers in Yeshua regardless of whether you live in China or Iran. Even if they don't know his actual name.

          • http://youtu.be/HlD3Gaq4cN0 Despeville

            "If you have the desire to know Yahweh"

            Since you are so picky about names. Do you realize that there is no "w" in Hebrew? Therefore your "Yahweh" is made up.

          • msjallen

            When you witness for the gospel of salvation do you ask people if they know Yeshua? In the day of Christ on earth perhaps they used that pronounciation but in our day and time we know our savior as Jesus Christ.

    • thedreamweaver

      Well stated, Everymyrtle……….I agree. We have no business discesting another's religion. Each person follows God in their own way and with their own heart. God bless Mitt and his wonderful family and becasue of his good heart, he'll do a good job leading our nation.

    • Xman2

      I am sorry, but all this Mormonism bashing is a false distration. The decision one has is do you vote for a radical sleeping Muslin who is destroying the Country, or a Constitutional, Conservative/Moderate, Successful experienced businessman, State Governor, has Family and American values, professing Christian who happens to be Mormon. And don't go batty saying Mormon is not a Christian sect. Remember, God gave you a brain . . . . use it!
      nuf said . . .

      • bighoss

        Use YOUR brain and you will then disabuse yourself of the silly notion that the President of the United States and Commander in Chief of its Armed Forces is a "sleeping Muslim."

        What is a "false distration"? You intended "distraction" of course. But a distraction that is false would NOT be a distraction; it would be something genuine.

        I have not gone batty and am not heading in that direction, but I know a radical cultic, heretical, false religion when I encounter one, and Mormonism abundantly fits that description.

        • http://youtu.be/HlD3Gaq4cN0 Despeville

          :)

  • wesley

    strange how now after romney has all but been officially confirmed as the GOP candidate all of a sudden the media attacking his faith.

  • Esteban Cafe

    I have never read more about Mormons since my last perusal of Tanner and Tanner's "Kingdom of the Cults"–nor have I read more egregious statements about them either. Even if Mr. Romney was an atheistic humanist given to post-modernist, deconstructionist beliefs, he would still be attacked.

    The presses problem with Mr. Romney's is that is not a socialist who actually works for a living. He has no "coat tail" on which to latch for a free ride: he will expect others to work for a living, too.

  • bighoss

    If Mitt Romney were Jewish, he would probably attract a lot of positive support from the nut job dispensational premillennialist crowd that has contaminated so many in the evangelical community. These Christian Zionist types have created a theological status for Jews that is nowhere defensible in Scripture. They look toward a rebuilding of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem on the site of what is now a mosque.. Some of them are assisting in the hunt for an unblemished red heifer as a sacrificial animal for the dedication of that temple. Said temple would become (in this deranged scheme of things) the site of animal sacrifices after the Levitical order, thus setting at naught the sacrifice of Christ, whose death on the cross ended forever the need for animal sacrifices. Yes, if Romney were Jewish, he would draw much support and many votes from this deluded sector.

    • wesley

      you are correct about the dispensational premillennialist crowd being falling all over themselves if romney was Jewish for they would be like the political left is over obama. the dispensational system is built around a rapture which cannot be found is scripture and the scriptures they use to support the rapture is taken out of the historical context. "one taken and the other left" the one taken is a slave and the one left is deemed worthless. unlike today where the church believes in the resurrection of the dead, most of the first century church Christ rising from the dead was a new concept and them rising was even more radical.

      • msjallen

        Wesley, you write incorrect information.

        • http://youtu.be/HlD3Gaq4cN0 Despeville

          Incorrect according to your two gurus who are "studying the original languages" as if none ever in the Western world did?

    • http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

      Perhaps it would. Many idiotic religious ideas get discussed.

    • msjallen

      The scriptures are very clear that the promises to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have not been fulfilled and Jesus will sit on the throne of David in Jerusalem during the millennium. At the Rapture we meet the Lord in the air and at His 2nd Advent He will touch down on the Mt. of Olives. Just because you don't believe what the Bible teaches doesn't mean you should condemn those who do.

      • http://youtu.be/HlD3Gaq4cN0 Despeville

        Yes, you will be sacrificing bulls again in the Jerusalem's Temple… N O P E.

  • Galen Robison

    Eileen.
    It is easy to trace your ancestry back to Joseph of Arimathia. He owned Tin mines in Britain, He was very wealthy. He and several others came to Britain after Christ's crucifixion. His Daughter Pernardim Married British King Lear. That is one reason why there are statues of a Lion and a Unicorn all over that Land. it is easy to trace geneology both ways from there. King Henry Plantagenet and Queen Eleanore of Provence are some of Joseph of Arimathia's ancestry. Many of them came to America including Mitt Romney's family. If you have royalty in your family, you can find it. You might be related to royalty. Big Deal. I have a notorious Outlaw in my ancestral Line. He was known as The Sundance Kid. His real name is William Henry Long. he did not die in Bolivia like some people think. He lived and raised a family in Duchesne Utah in 1936. Life is full surprises.

  • John J Flanagan

    I would not vote for a Jewish president. Unfortunately, I have met very few Jewish conservatives or even religious Jews. Most of them are very liberal in social values, approving of abortion, same sex marriage, and the filth produced by Hollywood. Others may disagree and are free to do so. As a Christian, and as a pro-life supporter and traditionalist with respect to marriage, I will vote based on the prism of the word of God, and if the character of a candidate does not reflect these values, I will forfeit my vote rather than pick the least of two undesirable candidates.

    • msjallen

      How sad that you are willing to have a muslim for president who hates America and will do everything possible to ruin it.

      • http://youtu.be/HlD3Gaq4cN0 Despeville

        He does not say a word about supporting Obama in fact the opposite. How do you make up stuff like this about people?