Catholicism in the South: Forging Ahead With Evangelical Fervor - ZIONICA.com

Robert De Leon

Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
(St. John, 17:20-23)
Robert

Despeville

DeMelon,

You abuse of the Word of God us disgusting and appealing. The only unity and the one that Christ spoke aout is unity in TRUTH of God as reveled by Christ and Holy Spirit and NOT a unity in a corporate moloch from Rome that teaches doctrines of demons and corrupts the truth of God.
- Robert De Leon
  
  Desperville:
  Oh, really?
  In a past comment you asked where in the Bible we can read the word "sweet" applied to Jesus Christ. If it wasn't so serious I will laugh. Did Calvinism erased from the Bible next passage?
  St. Luke, 1:26-55
  If Calvin didn't how do you interpret it?
  That's the problem with you. Most "protestant churches" (mainly Calvinism) reduced the Bible to a booklet. After you everyone can interpret the Bible for their own. Just to remind you: The whole Bible is the Word of the Lord and it was inspired by the Holy Spirit, not by mere men. Is that so difficult to understand? Calvinism came from a rotten branch of my Dear, Holy, Apostolic, Catholic, Roman and Christian Church As a rotten branch it should be thrown it to the garbage.
  Robert.
  - Despeville
    
    DeMelon,
    
    Nowhere in mentioned by you passage Jesus Christ is described as "sweet". Nowhere which just shows further your lying, debilitating, deranged and corrupt abuse of the Word of God for the sake of your damning papist traditions. What this text does show is that Mary was a sinner and in indeed of the Savior and therefore she could not be your Roman idol of "sinless" Mary to which you pray in your blasphemous idolatry and condemnation:
    
    And Mary said, “My soul magnifies the Lord, and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior,
    (Luke 1:46-47 ESV)
    
    You declarations about whole Bible are laughable and dishonest. That is what Reformation was and is about and that is why you hate it so much in your damnable religiosity and utter ignorance you display constantly.
Despeville

DeMelon,

Do yourself a favor and read:

'What, then, are we looking at? We are looking at a system; and I would not hesitate to assert that this system, Known as Roman Catholicism, is the devil's greatest masterpiece! It is such a departure from the Christian faith and the New Testament teaching, that I would not hesitate with the Reformers of the sixteenth century to describe it as "apostasy". Now let us be clear about this.

We define apostasy as a kind of total departure from the Christian truth. "Well," says someone, "are you saying that about the Roman Catholic Church?" We have to be most careful here. If we say that Roman Catholicism is apostasy we must be clear as to the sense in which that is true. let me put it like this therefore. Here it is not so much a matter of "denial" of the truth, but rather such an addition to the truth that eventually it becomes a departure from it."

~ Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones

SOURCE and more: bit.ly/i7JFpr

Ithamar

Should Popery finally gain credence in the South, it will spell its final demise and, thereby, place the last nail in the coffin of the American Republic.. May the Almighty never let it happen. All Roman Catholic countries are third world nations, and that for good reason. Roman Catholicism is the enemy of religious and civil liberty and always has been. Its priesthood is rife with sodomites and its hierarchy thrives on intrigue for power. It is a perverter of the Word of God and promotes blasphemy of the highest order claiming that the 'man of sin' sitting in Rome is the very "Vicar" of the Almighty Lord Jesus Christ.

Robert De Leon

Ithamar:
I'll repeat it again. Some people attack Catholicism for hate and/or ignorance. Probably you attack my Catholic Faith for both reasons. Of course, what you comment is as false as a 35 dollars bill.
If you have time I invite you to read, and meditate, next Bible's passages:
St. Matthew, 5:20; 25:31-46; 5:43-48; 15:3-6 and 16:18-19
St. Luke, .1:28; 1:35; 13:13-14; 22:19-20
St. John, 6:47-66; 16:12; 20:22-23; 21:25; 20:30
Just to mention a few for there a lot more.
Robert.
- http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
  
  You both attack each other for the exact same reason. Neither is willing to acknowledge that they could be wrong about their views on the illusion of religion.
  - Despeville
    
    Dodo,
    
    Again disagreement is not impediment to the existence of objective truth. If you would ever had Logic 101 in your rudimentary and retarded education you would know that.
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      Humpty, I never said it was. I merely pointed out that neither side is willing to admit they could be wrong. You also are unwilling to admit you could be wrong. I am more than willing to admit I could be wrong, I merely ask for compelling evidence. Your attempts have been easily dismissed by actual evidence.
    - Despeville
      
      Dodo,
      
      Granted that this post can be read in that way but I have seen expanding on this idea and precisely to the irrational bias I have presented and I am speaking knowing that you do that and think that. There is only two logical possibilities here:
      
      A. Roman Catholicism and Christianity are both wrong.
      B. One of the two is correct and true.
      
      Definitively, it is absolutely false that both of them can be right which is a premise for the gullible contained in this article and a tactic used by some dishonest Roman Catholics or clueless Christians.
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      No, there is a third possibility which is that Roman Catholicism and Christianity are both right for both being the same thing. But as usual, you will not admit to anything that you disagree with.
    - Despeville
      
      No there is not and that kind of a statement can be made only by a total ignoranus you are.
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      It is a third option. Your desires that it not be so are meaningless.
    - Joe Anzilotti
      
      Jeff–this statement of yours poses a logical conundrum. Do I need to point out to you where your statement is inconsistent?
    - Despeville
      
      He will not get it Joe. They did not teach logic in his joke schools.
    - petroskhan1262
      
      Even if you did, he would never admit it. Nor would he acknowledge that he could be wrong.
- Despeville
  
  demelon'
  
  You still paste the same senseless cheat sheet with references to the Word of God ripped out of their context that you do not understand nor appreciate and do so solely thanks to your shaman spin doctors from Catholic Answers or other goat herding outfit.
- petroskhan1262
  
  Actually, I "attack" catholicism because the people of that "religion" have been duped into following one blasphemous self-important popinjay after another.
  
  What kind of arrogant fool dares to not only compare himself to God, but claim EQUALITY to Him?
  
  And perhaps more importantly, and more pertinent, what sort of fool listens to him? How far from Scripture would one of these popes have to go before you stop and think, "Maybe I should actually open my Bible and see what IT says, instead of that overdressed old coot?"
- Dale W.
  
  Rober, I respect your right to believe what you like. I have read all the scripture you suggest now and many times before and can see how you can by miss-enterpretation make them say what you want them to mean. For example the old familiar catholic interpretation of Matthew 16 claiming Peter to be a rock. If you would examine the original Greek text in which the New Testament was written you would see that the word that Christ used for Peter is petros which means piece of rock. Jesus said "upon this petra which means massive rock I will build my church. Of course the massive rock being himself the revelation that Peter had that He Christ was the son of the Living God. God forbid He should build His Church upon a mere man. As for John 6:47-66 Jesus was speaking in spiritual terms He did not mean to literally eat his flesh and drink his blood. Look at verse 63" It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life". This has nothing to do with Communion. If the drinking of blood is prohibited in the scripture would Jesus say it had to be done? See Acts 15:20
http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon

Ethiopia, the world's oldest Christian country, adhering to Christianity for more than a thousand years, is also the poorest country in the world. More than a thousand years of Christianity did not mitigate the awful poverty of its people and religion did not help raise their standard of living. Just a decade ago millions perished due to famine. The citizens of Ethiopia continue to remain ill-fed, ill-clothed and illiterate, steeped in poverty and disease. War and poverty still remain the dominant realities in Africa.
- Robert De Leon
  
  Jeff.
  Of course you didn't mention U.S.A, England, Germany, Italy, Spain, Switzerlad, France, etc. I just wonder why
  Well, probably you only see one side of the coin.
  Robert.
- Despeville
  
  Dodo,
  
  Check out who colonized North America and who colonized South America and observe the staggering illiteracy rates and poverty in South America…
  - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
    
    The key difference is that the native population was effectively wiped out and replaced in North America. In South America, the natives are still the predominant people or at least are of mixed heritages.
    - Despeville
      
      Obviously you do not know history enough to grasp what has happened with Aztecs, Mayas and other ingenious tribes and societies in Central and South America…
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      I did not say that no societies were wiped out in South America. However, the bulk of the current population are natives. You truly have no ability to comprehend what is written.
agbjr

Your intense bigotry is showing … not a trait of a true American and true Christian.
petroskhan1262

Truer words were never spoken.

One correction, though. That "man of sin" in Rome actually claims to BE God. He doesn't just claim to be a representative of Jesus Christ, he claims to BE Him.

These arrogant blasphemers need to be shown for the self-aggrandizing enemies of God that they are. People need to stop being so loyal to such evil, and actually read their Bibles.

angelvoice91

You really need to study Church history. We Catholics believe in being "born again" and believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior of our lives. May the Holy Spirit enlighten you.

K Barlow Ph.D, D. Min.

Despeville

Nonsense and a lie. There is a massive and irreconcilable difference between the "gospel" of Roman Catholicism and the true Gospel of Jesus Christ the Lor of Glory. Let me just say for the reader that in the "gospel" of Rome the Grace of God is only NECESSARY for salvation while in the true Gospel of Christ the Grace is SUFFICIENT for salvation. That is just breviloquent way of signaling of a staggering differences between Roman religion and true faith of Christ and in Christ. More detailed review below:

"Justification – The Contrast Between the Biblical Teaching and Roman Catholicism" ~ http://bit.ly/bwvFi9
By William Webster
msjallen

angelvoice91, I have met a lot of Catholics and not one has been able to tell me how to be saved. So what do you mean being "born again" AND believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior?
- wesley
  
  many protestants claim to be born again just because they said the "sinner's prayer", but you could not tell a difference. everyone is saved by the blood of Jesus Christ not just those who accept his sacrifice those who reject it as well. only those who accept Christ's sacrifice are born again.
  - msjallen
    
    And what is Christ's sacrifice? I do not know the "sinner's prayer" even though I was brought up in a denominational church it was not taught. I am a non-denominational believer in Jesus Christ and I believe what the Bible teaches not what some made-up religion by man tells me how to live.
    1 Timothy 4:2-4 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;
petroskhan1262

Do you believe the pope is God?

Just asking, 'cause if you don't, he does.

Do you believe that pope has the power to "change times and laws", too?

Joe Anzilotti

How does the Popemobile and those weirdo hats fit in with "Catholicism in the South"? I think this is the question that needs to be answered first. Jeff, I know you are into googling, but do you do any noodling?

Despeville

Maybe be those hats are familiar thanks to KKK? I apologize if this is too offensive for some…
- http://twitter.com/goodone121 @goodone121
  
  The KKK is AGAINST ALL Christianity, INCLUDING CATHOLICISM.

Despeville

Much of the growth comes from immigration: northern Catholics following technology jobs southward and Catholics arriving from Spanish-speaking countries. But Catholics from the north can’t expect to find the pockets of cultural Catholicism typical of the ethnic enclaves of big cities, and Hispanic Catholics won’t find a village whose rhythm revolves around feast days."

This is a driving factor of this sad development and the fact that Rome wants all these Latinos to have 6 – 8 kids because they know they got them in their nefarious system and just like Muslims in Europe so will Roman Catholics in US overpopulate Christians that have 2 – 5 children.

"Fifty years ago — 10 years ago and, to some extent, even today — many Southerners regarded Catholics as unsaved and Catholicism as a non-Christian mystery religion. But that day, everyone at the station greeted and welcomed the sisters. One woman even asked the nuns to pray for her injured nephew."

This another testimony to growing biblical illiteracy in the land clogged with 50 plus bible translations and thousand of books on it. Thanks to the growth of mega churches and their pseudo theological conjurations and emotional and social wizardry as inspired and supported by Roman Catholic strategy of weakening and atomizing Christianity in America and support for heretical teachings of mostly pelagian and arminian churches that closely reflect same notions in false pseudo gospel of Rome.

Despeville

On Roman Catholicism:

'What, then, are we looking at? We are looking at a system; and I would not hesitate to assert that this system, Known as Roman Catholicism, is the devil's greatest masterpiece! It is such a departure from the Christian faith and the New Testament teaching, that I would not hesitate with the Reformers of the sixteenth century to describe it as "apostasy". Now let us be clear about this.

We define apostasy as a kind of total departure from the Christian truth. "Well," says someone, "are you saying that about the Roman Catholic Church?" We have to be most careful here. If we say that Roman Catholicism is apostasy we must be clear as to the sense in which that is true. let me put it like this therefore. Here it is not so much a matter of "denial" of the truth, but rather such an addition to the truth that eventually it becomes a departure from it."

~ Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones

SOURCE and more: bit.ly/i7JFpr

Ithamar

Great post and quote.
petroskhan1262

VERY nice quote. Thanks.
DWoodPC

Thanks for the quote.

thedreamweaver

It always puts me off when a religious conversation gets going and the participants begin arguing theology……who's belief is right and who's is wrong…….and then it deteriots into an unChristian dribble and name calling and bomb throwing event. When one person tries to say that they are the only way, the right way, I know it's going to get ugly. It really begins whenever Mormons, Catholics or protestants rear their ugly heads in the name of God. Seriously? Is this what Jesus intended? Certainly not. There are different ways to get to God, different roads. I'm sure that there's a scripture some where. Will some biblically-literate person please quote it? It's this kind of bickering that turns a person who may want to come toward the Lord away. Shame on you……………Go back and read your bible.

Despeville

"Go back and read your bible."

No you do Kumbaya salesman.

There are different ways to get to God, different roads. "

No, Kumbaya salesman. There are not…

Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
(John 14:6 ESV)

Seriously? Is this what Jesus intended? Certainly not."

Nope, Kumbaya salesman. He meant what he meant and that is what your kumbaya ideology denies… Look:

“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
(Matthew 10:34-36 ESV)

Do you think that I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division. For from now on in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law.”
(Luke 12:51-53 ESV)
- DWoodPC
  
  Well you are certainly making those prophetic statements your mantra, dear Despe
  - petroskhan1262
    
    You would rather we all agree to disagree? Or just accept that we have different views on the subject, and move on?
    
    I find spirited debate to both interesting and productive. In having to defend one's position, one learns more about it, to be better able to defend that which is believed. Or, one learns that the belief was mistaken in some way, and there you have growth.
    
    Oh, and it's just plain fun! Too many have lost sight of that, I think…
  - Despeville
    
    Pablum…

wesley

i hear over and over again many people claiming to be Bible-believing Christians whatever that is supposed to mean. Jehovah's Witnesses believe the Bible as well does the Mormons for the claim to believe the Bible as well as the Book of Mormon, Pearl of Great Price and the Doctrines of the Mormon Church. it has nothing to do with believing the Bible, but do you believe Christian Orthodoxy. Protestants, Catholics, and Orthodox Christians believe in Christian Orthodoxy while as I mentioned Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses do not. I think it is neat that the Roman Catholic Church are growing in the south so they can witness to non-Catholics that they are true Christians as well. I have been blessed to have lived in an area where I can have friends who happen to attend Roman Catholic churches.

msjallen

Catholics and other religions (not Christianity) control their members with guilt and fear instead of letting the grace of God through the filling of the Holy Spirit control their lives through the study of God’s Word (Bible Doctrine). God the Father provided salvation through Jesus Christ and everything we need to live the Christian way of life not creeds or rituals without reality. I is what the Bible says; not what man has made up for man to believe like the RCC has done for too many years.
Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit,
DWoodPC

I love Roman Catholic people. It is my entire family. Very good people. It is the interpretation of Christ's teachings by the Church that needs some throwback to Christ … why can't they understand that. I wish I knew.

agbjr

It will be found those from outside the Roman Catholic Church who disdain and criticize Catholicism have no true understanding of the Church and Christianity. They expound against doctrine and canon law yet they themselves break God's laws daily simply by their intolerance. Most protestants are very judgmental and unforgiving toward their fellow Christians especially when those Christians are not of 'their' chosen denomination. Sadly many protestants will never open their eyes, hearts, and minds to realize their own bigotry. Those who know the tenents of Catholicism know the Church is not judgmental, it is all forgiving, and it welcomes all without qualification.

Ithamar

The Protestant Church did not conduct the Inquisition, the Protestant Church did not burn hundreds at the stake in England during the Reformation. The Protestant Church is not that Whore who rides the back of the beast fornicating with the kings of the earth with the cup of abominations in her hand drunken on the blood of the Saints. How can you be so willingly ignorant of Church History? There is only one other false cult more bloody, steeped in ignorance and historically dangerous to Christian liberty, and that is Islam.
- wesley
  
  anabaptist protestants turned Munster Germany into Sodom and Gamorrah in the mid 1530s. how about the witch hunts in Europe and Salam Massachusetts? what about the thirty years war? Puritans declared war on on catholics in the English civil war in the mid 17th century all because the king wanted to give catholics some government positions. Maryland was founded by English Catholics seeking a refuge from the persecution of the Puritans in England and allowed religious freedom in their colony and ended up being kicked out twice by Puritans who took over England after overthrowing out King Charles I after the civil war and than again after Puritans overthrew King James II in favor of William and Mary who were Puritans. protestants have been as bad if not worse than catholics at being the whore that rides the beast. the inquistions were to get rid of heresy while what the protestants did to catholics that i mentioned was out of pure hatred of catholics.
  - http://twitter.com/lambsev11 @lambsev11
    
    "anabaptist protestants turned Munster Germany into Sodom and Gamorrah in the mid 1530s."
    
    cite sources please?
    
    I was unaware that the anabaptists held to protestant reformed positions. Can you cite sources for this too?
- lambsev
  
  Roman Catholicism is truly guilty of many sins. But John Calvin murdered Severtus. The protestants of Salem Massachussetts burned witches. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone. Better to follow Jesus than any man or man made doctrine, creed, catechism or confession.
  
  Having said this, I do prefer the Anabaptist ideas on doctrine. But I only exalt one Name, the Name of Yeshua.
  - Despeville
    
    "But John Calvin murdered Severtus."
    
    You need to go back to school again… and take some serious courses in medieval history and particularly about Reformation. Your shallowness and ignorance is staggering and you repeat mindlessly Jesuit propaganda.
    Just headlines if you can focus: http://www.banneroftruth.org/pages/articles/artic…
    - http://twitter.com/lambsev11 @lambsev11
      
      You are such an expert on my needs, Despeville, so in kind let me recommend you put away all your books, take the Bible in hand and study it for one year with only the Holy Spirit to comment on it for you. And I'm quite serious.
    - Despeville
      
      Sir, the Bible will not explain to you what actually happened to Servetus under the law of city/state even if you will read it for next 100 years. Do you ever track the substance offered and you just listen to yourself only? Half of time you are day dreaming and post past the topic and its substance completely ignoring arguments offered and I am dead serious.
      
      Stop proselytizing Jesuit's lie about the matter and learn some facts.
      
      The main facts therefore may now be summarized thus:
      
      1. That Servetus was guilty of blasphemy, of a kind and degree which is still punishable here in England by imprisonment.
      
      2. That his sentence was in accordance with the spirit of the age.
      
      3. That he had been sentenced to the same punishment by the Inquisition at Vienne.
      
      4. That the sentence was pronounced by the Councils of Geneva, Calvin having no power either to condemn or to save him.
      
      5. That Calvin and others visited the unhappy man in his last hours, treated him with much kindness, and did all they could to have the sentence mitigated.
    - http://twitter.com/lambsev11 @lambsev11
      
      What was the "blasphemy" of Severtus, that he did not believe the trinity?
    - http://twitter.com/lambsev11 @lambsev11
      
      His views on baptism?
    - http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ Jeff Dixon
      
      That he disagreed with Calvin.
    - http://twitter.com/lambsev11 @lambsev11
      
      that is saying he blasphemed Calvin, not that he blasphemed God.
    - Despeville
      
      You are a complete ignoranus lambsev11 and worst you refuse to learn :)
    - Despeville
      
      Mr.Clueless,
      
      That was a treason against the state in almost every state in Europe. Servetus was sentenced to death by two councils of city state Geneva i.e. large council and small council upon recommendation of other Swiss city'states as well. Denial of Trinity was then treated as treason against the state due to unity between the state and church. Calvin was called as an expert on this not only as a supreme theologian but also due to his knowledge of writings of Severtus who by the way was already sentenced to death in France for the same reason and under similar law of treason against the state. Try to learn something sometimes. I told you about it long ago yet you keep on voicing your utter ignorance of history and the connection between the state and church in medieval Europe.
    - http://twitter.com/lambsev11 @lambsev11
      
      Seems Calvin did little to dissuade the court from condemning him to death.
      
      "Michael Servetus: To Kill a Man Does Not Defend an Idea" @ http://towardfreedom.com/home/europe/1145-michael…
- DWoodPC
  
  So true, but the dearest nicest woman I have ever known, my mom, … when I first attended college history classes (Western Civ) I brought this history up to her, she said her religion is in her heart, that she did not know all those things. THAT is the tragedy of the Catholic Church Administration … they kept us in pure ignorance. Many years before when the lands of the Louisiana Territory was first settled, it was Spanish property and all who wanted to have populate the land there, even the French, were required to pledge to be Catholic and raise their families Catholic… so it became entrenched… so pitiful …
  - http://twitter.com/lambsev11 @lambsev11
    
    "THAT is the tragedy of the Catholic Church Administration … they kept us in pure ignorance."
    And did so by suppressing the translation of the Bible for 12 centuries! Think of it, we have only had it in English for a little more than 400 years! Yet in view of it all, believers outside of Catholicism AND the reformation carried on faithfully. They are mostly known by their own blood spilled by pagans, catholics and even protestants!
    - DWoodPC
      
      You are making me cry, lambsev. Every time I think about my mom and dad and how good they were with no help at all from the beauty and blessings of knowing the Word of God, how really distant they were from actual blessings of service in the true church, it was all so hush, hush and the church authorities were so self-righteously pompous and apart from the people, they were not as Christ taught the apostles, consider the sermon on the mount. Thank God also for college history, where I was alarmed to find out things which never could be mentioned in my Catholic community high-school history "Western Civ," Ha! One never knows now how male members of one's family were treated in service as alter boys, given the secrets unfolding these last few years, a hundred questions go unanswered. It is so horrible.to think about. My parents are the true saints in heaven but I know the Catholic church would never think to canonize such faithful, humble servants of the Lord, though they would the Popes. God help them. Indeed, thank God for the scriptures surviving and the advent of the printing press. There was no turning back then, but the Catholic authorities became more protective of their Earthly spoils. The good fight is never over. Thank you.
- Roberto
  
  What about the KluKuxKlan?…Were they Catholic or Protestant?
  - Despeville
    
    They were demonized regardless of their label.
  - DWoodPC
    
    They were as the monarchists of old … look up 1776 by David McCullough… there you will find the descriptions of persons bent on destroying any upheavals by the colonialists who would dare usurp the powerful British king… who is also described very completely, e.g. how he could not fathom that "his" colonies did not love him and how they did not want him to take care of them, ad nauseum… well, this very demeanor also contributed to the growth of the slave trade… the same type of character who gathered to support the monarchy in 1775 really, promoted the slave trade, from start to finish … oh yes, the slave traders saw themselves as humanitarians taking people to help them from their pitiful lives in Africa (of course their black brothers who were monarchists of a different breed in Africa were the primary sources, it was a businees, selling people, can you imagine selling your weaker brother off to the traders) … these monarchs all foresaw advantages in growing their empires in the new world… great bitterness developed… you know the story … and people, being smart as people are… discovered early on the power of the group … polarized groups developed, fighting ensued and the monarchists gangs grew in the south where money talks — the rest is history. (in McCullough' books: 1776 and John Adams, John and Abigail Adams are frequently portrayed as good biblical scholars – had black friends, they opposed slavery vehemently; I don't believe Jefferson was for slavery at all, but his common-law wife was a black woman and he went into debt keeping up the "plantation" and actually taking care of the people who were his "slaves" — never could quite figure that out but no time really to study it, it is said he was a man of God, surely not Catholic) My guess is the majority of them had have some facade of religion, a bible or two in the house with a pastor coming by ever so often. My guess is protestant in the country and Catholic in the cities. WARNING: All this is pure conjecture on my part. It is just that the cities on the coast of the Gulf of Mexico had a preponderance of Catholics in the cities like New Orleans, Mobile, Pensacola, and conversely, the in-lands, there was a preponderance of Protestants migrating into those agrarian "paradises" of the South from the original colonial areas, the Atlantic seaboard, places where you could imagine Jonathan Edwards, Protestant, might have some influence… since Protestant seminaries along those seaboard areas abounded in seminary schools. My limited educated guess is: I think pseudo-Christians both pseudo-Catholics and pseudo-Protestants made-up the KKK.
petroskhan1262

"It will be found those from outside the Roman Catholic Church who disdain and criticize Catholicism have no true understanding of the Church and Christianity."

Really? Two questions…

1 – Do you even own a Bible?
2 – Have you ever actually READ it?

If so, you would find far too much in catholicism which is counter to the Words of God. To be brief, I will give you my two pet peeves against the papacy.

One, God told us to worship on the 7th day of the week. Not the first…the 7th. The catholic church admits to "changing" this Holy Day of worship to the 1st day of the week. On whose authority? Why, their own, of course! Check Daniel 7:25 for a good forecast of that.

Two, the pope claims to BE GOD. It should cause people to run in sheer terror from such a man, frightful of any sort of collateral damage, or guilt by association, yet time and again I hear people defending these smug blasphemers. I'm sure you will, too. Yet ask yourself, what sort of mere man dares to do such a thing? Surely no humble follower of Christ would ever dare to claim such status. So…who is served by this, if (as is obvious) it's not God?

"…the Church is not judgmental, it is all forgiving, and it welcomes all without qualification."
That's not the way God sees it. God judges, he forgives those who repent and seek to follow His laws. And He definitely has "qualifications" for us to meet. The watered down, wishy-washy version of faith you are describing is devoid of morality, standards and value. God has laws, which He gave us, and for a reason. If you think being a Christian is nothing more than having "Hey, that's okay" as you're mantra, I strongly suggest some soul-searching and prayer, along with some heavy Bible study (WITHOUT a catholic priest present).

And look, if I came across as harsh or insulting, I didn't mean it to come out that way. I just don't like certain aspects of the catholic church, and it really gets me going. My beef is against the organization, and their stated doctrine, not those who follow them. So, apologies if I came on too strong.

jerry Tritle

Christ's Church is conquering, expanding, and His Kingdom rules over all. The Catholic Church is rooted deeply in Sacred Scripture, history, and tradition. May the Lord continue to bless her expansion in the south. I encourage you Protestant Evangelicals to toss away your ignorance and bigotry of the Lord's Church and learn of her by reading the Catechism of the Catholic Church yourselves. I did, and converted from Protestantism. You can read my conversion story: Google Gerald Tritle Catholic. May the Lord bless you!

Bill1776

Reply to Jerry: My wife is a Catholic I told her I would join the Catholic church when she could show me where in the Bible it said I should pray to the mother of Jesus Mary. Mary is a good woman but we should pray to Jesus. Jesus said in John 14:6 "No man comes to the Father except through Me".
DWoodPC

Never will I Jerry. Your church is rooted deep in lies, lies, lies. You should goggle that. May God have mercy on their souls.
petroskhan1262

"The Catholic Church is rooted deeply in Sacred Scripture…"

Sorry, I just don't see that. Here's why:

"The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not a mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God…The Pope alone is called most holy…Hence the Pope is crowned with a triple crown, as king of heaven and of earth and of hell. Moreover the superiority and the power of the Roman Pontiff by no means pertains only to heavenly things, but also earthly things, and to things under the earth, and even over the angels, whom he his greater than. So that if it were possible that the angels might err in the faith, or might think contrary to the faith,they could be judged and excommunicated by the Pope…the Pope is as it were God on earth, sole sovereign of the faithful of Christ, chief of kings, having plenitude of power." – Lucius Ferraris,Prompta Bibliotheca Canonica, Juridica, Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica Volume V (Paris: J. P. Migne, 1858).

"The Pope and God are the same, so he has all power in Heaven and earth." – Moralis, Theologica, Ascetica, Polemica, Rubristica, Historica Volume V (Paris: J. P. Migne, 1858).

Now, I don't know about you, but neither of those quotes (along with a great many others) sounds "deeply rooted in Sacred Scripture" to me.
- Dale
  
  Go to bereanbeacon.org and see what a converted Catholic Priest has to say about Catholicism. How it contridicts the Bible. The Catholic Church and it's catacism is rooted deeply in blasphemy and is anti-Christ. It is based upon a lie that Peter was the first pope. The church of Jesus Christ was established in Jerusalem on the day of Pentecost when God sent the Holy Spirit not in Rome. See Acts chapter 2. No gentiles ( non Jews)were a part of the Church at that time. Not until later in Acts did God accept Gentiles into the Church and show them the way of salvation. See Acts 10-11. At that time James appears to be in charge not Peter. See Acts15: 13-20. ( Drinking of blood is forbidden. How than can the eucarist be justified by the Catholic Church). Notice that all these referances in Acts declair that repentance is required for salvation not penance. No repentance no salvation. Big difference between penance and repentance. Christ paid the penalty for our sins. We can not do any works to bring salvation. See Ephesians 2:8-9 . I challenge Catholics to not just read the Bible but to study it and compare it to the teachings of the RCC's unbiblical teaching. John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
  - petroskhan1262
    
    I'll check that out, thanks. And I agree with you post; I wish more people, especially catholics, would actually read and study a bit more than they do.
  - wesley
    
    the Holy Spirit went wherever the apostles went. for He live in them and worked through them. James was put in charge of the congregation at Jerusalem being one of the elders of the church at the time. Peter was at Joppa at that time and started to minister to the gentile. Peter just like Paul met his death at Rome. Catholics believe that we do good works for Christ as an offering for the great gift of salvation He has given to us. Catholics drink the wine and bread that they believe that is transformed into Christ blood and flesh similarly to the way the water Jesus turned to wine as his first miracle. Peter is the main speaking apostle in the early chapters of Acts. John tells us in the last chapter of his gospel that Peter died by crucifixion when Jesus tells Peter how he was going to die.
    - Dale W.
      
      Wesley, Please show me in the Bible anywhere it indicates Peter was ever in Rome. When Paul wrote his epistle to the Romans he greeted several brethren in Rome in the last chapter and never mentioned Peter. One would think that if Peter was there he would have been the first Paul wood have greeted. Especially if Peter was the Bishop of Rome. Papal supremacy is another false dogma of the RCC as well as apostolic succession. Peter refused to be venerated as did Paul. Acts 10:25-26; Acts 14:8-15. The only work that Christ requires is found in John 6:28-29
      28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
      29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent. Ephesians 2:8-9
      8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
      9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. However, good works are expected from true Christians because of the love of God that is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which God has given us. Read Romans chapter 5.
    - petroskhan1262
      
      In addition to what Dale has requested, would you also be so kind as to show where in Scripture it says that a man should take all the names and titles of God upon himself, and equate himself to God? Also, I would love, if you have the time, to see where Scripture authorizes men to change God's laws.
      
      Thanks
- DWoodPC
  
  Thank you petroskhan1262
DWoodPC

Sir, may I suggest that you get the lecture series by R. C.Sproul of Ligonier Ministries in Sanford Florida, specifically on Martin Luther and the Reformation. If you have not investigated intimately why Martin Luther did what he did, then you are short-changing yourself. I myself did not need this illumination because I suffered the Catholic Church personally from birth to young adulthood into college. I suggest it to you because it will fast forward you out of there.
- Despeville
  
  If you truly listen to RC Sproul how in the world you ended up as a Mormon?
  - DWoodPC
    
    Why Despe: I thought you…
    Well, the truth is R. C. has the same religious training as I do. In fact I was encouraged to get my doctorate in that field. I actually won awards. That was a piece of cake. Those courses. HOWEVER, really the subject engrosses me too much. I did not study with R. C., wish I could have, but I have studied his lectures which I think are the best, though I have to ponder his major points. I like his Chosen by God explanation, I have his book and CDs of the book. and I think it coheres with my beliefs and believe it or not, with Mormon belief. R. C. is in apologetics. He is a philosopher really, not a preacher in the Baptist sense of the word, for example. But I see that is how the Reformists are. The Reformed tradition is really taking hold with lots of different Christian sects. I heard Mohler at one of R. C.'s conferences, and Zachariah, and John MacArthur and Piper. I don't like the guy from the SBC, though R. C. entertains him, he is a real hard heart, R. C. is a true Christian. The thing of it is to me, it is the practice of philosophy of religion more than it is practice of religion, you know, following Christ. R. C. is an exception, he embodies both. I don't know how he will ever retire. But he certainly has earned his rest.
    
    How in the world did I end up Mormon? Very easy. They DO NOT FORCE ME TO DO ANYTHING. It is warm and fuzzy at their church. I think there families are awesome. However, I find it very difficult to read the Book of Mormon, not because it is difficult to understand. It is VERY tragic and gory. Lots of wars. It is the story of wars between good and bad. American Indians. I also like the idea of having American prophets. the prophets in the BOM are awesome too. Did you see the new article today on ZIONICA: the best argument against Christianity: "Until they truly encounter God, and pastors/teachers become less like motivational speakers and more like real prophets of God, the Church will continue to be a place where unbelievers come and leave with no transformation having taken place, with the end result being lives lived out that stand in stark contrast to Biblical principles." THIS IS PRECISELY MY EXPERIENCE WITH CHURCHES, but NOT with the Mormons… "become more like prophets of God… less like motivational speakers" But, I don't like the wars, they give me nightmares. Thank God, I am not forced to read anything I don't feel I should and I am not forced to believe any doctrine unless I know from the testimony of the Holy Spirit!! Got that?? I love the KJV. Do you know what its like to actually love a group of people? Well if you do then you know why I am Mormon. It is not at all like you think. You know me now a little bit. I am a typical Mormon. You would really be surprised I wonder where the heck you get your ideas about Mormons, because it is nothing like what you say. The kids I teach would amaze anyone. They are excited about life. Their favorite "person" is Jesus Christ and they know all his stories. They honor their father and their mother. Practically unheard of in this day and age. And the parents are just grownups but just like their kids if that makes any sense.
    - Despeville
      
      How in the world did I end up Mormon? Very easy. They DO NOT FORCE ME TO DO ANYTHING. It is warm and fuzzy at their church."
      
      You fell for it for the social reasons only and not for the truth. Typical.
    - DWoodPC
      
      No Dear Despe: This is what I fell for (put this in your pipe and smoke it, smarty pants):
      
      John 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
      
      1 John 1:6-7 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie , and do not the truth: But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another , and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

Luong

The Vatican must be stopped at any cost! Preach to these poor uninformed Catholics about the dangers of pagan Catholicism while warning non-Catholics about the dangers of the Vatican-controlled Freemasonry.

The Catholic Church of Satan has MURDERED, TORTURED, RAPED AND ROBBED SCORES OF MILLIONS over the past 1,500 years! This is an EVIL DEMONIC CRIMINAL organization that always commits crimes and hides them. Catholic elites are the best liars in the world. Too bad doing ten Hail Mary's won't let them escape the eternal flames of Hell!!! Pray for them. Amen.

Despeville

Yes, the very same book Roman Catholics love to quote from about 30,000 of Christian denominations says that Rome is responsible for almost 5 millions deaths.