In Aurora, the agonized seek answers through faith - ZIONICA.com

Mys77

Seems like the only time people turn to God or pray is when a tradedy like this happens… and then we seek God for answers??? Perhaps the lesson is to turn to God before things like this happen and to seek His will and let Him direct our paths. Stop the madness and repent of our selfish ways and seek God's mercy and goodness. Praying for a change in all of our hearts.

InGodWeTrust!

The Only Way!
Mike from Colorado

AGREED…This is a tragic error made by many Christians. We need GOD to have full control over our lives. NARCISSISM is rampant across AMERICA and is the root of many of the calamities that we face. Century Theater…Aurora is just one example. We need a major revival across the USA and we must retake AMERICA as a Christian nation. We have acted like cowards for far too many years.
- Chris
  
  What an absolute pile of rubbish. Thinking that God is on your side and in the drivers seat is the worst abdication of personal responsibility you can have.
  
  I, personally, am responsible for my own actions. I'm sick and tired of hearing "God told me to do it."
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEEK4SGMAEZ56ZBNVITFJAVOVI Paul
    
    And when you stand before the judge of the universe and say "I did it my way", what do you think the judge will say? He's already told us what He'll say. He'll say you ARE responsible for your own actions. And his judgement and punishment for breaking the Law will be swift and permanent.
    Yet He has offered each of us a "way out". Debt paid. Declared not guilty. In that His Son offered Himself in our place and served out the sentence of death for us. Only He could, since only He truly did what God told Him to do. Only He was perfect.
    - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
      
      Myths do not judge anyone.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEEK4SGMAEZ56ZBNVITFJAVOVI Paul

God is fully aware of that fact (people only turn to Him when they've hit bottom). It's the same story over and over throughout the Old Testament: Israel rejects God; God gives them over to their heart's desire; they fall into troubles, problems, and call on the Lord; God steps in and restores the relation and sets things right. We're now in the midst of the same cycle ourselves -having now told God to "get lost, we don't want you, we want [insert desire here]". God is giving "us" over to our desire: a world without God's authority and influence. How do we like it? Not going quite like we planned is it? Yet God is still willing to help – He told us as much through His Son and in His Word. He's still waiting for us to call on Him. Will we be like Israel before us – we are stiff necked and unwilling; where all we do is blame; and say "if we only had better gun control" ; "if we only had better mental screenings" ; "if we only understood genetics better so we could weed these tendencies out beforehand…" Futile. Proven over and over through thousands of years of civilization. There is one answer and one only. Call out to God. Lord have MERCY on me, a sinner.

Chris

They should turn to the NRA and tell them to get lost. Enough with these stupid guns. I thought Christians were supposed to be peace loving and not into killing people or animals.

Prayer will do NOTHING to solve the problem.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Scott-Todd/1424651317 Scott Todd

The best remedy for bad people with guns is GOOD people with guns. That is exactly how the wild, wild west was tamed.
- Ken
  
  Come to think of it, you never hear of crimes like this happening at a gun show or NRA convention — they usually take place in "gun free" zones like university campuses or, in this case, a theater.
- Steve03
  
  Actually, the people with guns were the lawmen that the good people had to hire to get the guns off the streets. Or did you think Dodge City got the guns off the street by itself. No matter how many good people have guns, the bad guys always get the first shot.
- Bighoss
  
  The patrons of bars in the Old West were sometimes prohibited from bringing their guns in or were required to check them at the door. They sensibly recognized that it made no sense to mix guns and alcohol. Today we have state legislatures passing laws that specifically PERMIT taking guns into bars. Back in the Old West, there was no zany organization like the NRA to crusade for the "right" to carry guns anywhere and everywhere. The bar patrons did not whine about allegedly having their Second Amendment rights compromised by having to drink without a hog-leg strapped on or tucked away..
  
  We are going backwards, folks, and the NRA and their cowardly allies in Congress are dragging us that way.
  - Biggest Horse
    
    Some of us, bighoss, enjoy our freedoms and are not like you liberals who believe the government must control every facet of our lives.
    - Chris
      
      Unfortunately libertarianism doesn't work and rules are required. If people like you actually behaved like Christians were supposed to there would be no need for rules. Clearly Christians don't behave and do stupid stuff, like text while driving, and so we need rules.
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJZPJHAYI7OO7PT522CLW3UW7A Linda
      
      Oh, yes. And atheists *never* text while driving.
      
      Where do you come up with these things?
    - UF Gator
      
      Is Linda right? Are you Chris P?
  - Michael g.
    
    You've been watching too much TV. That didn't happen.
Evermyrtle

If they are sure that want to go without GOD, I assume that would be a good place to start. But it make no difference, they, you and I will meet HIM face to face, then it will b e too ate.
By the way Chris, if you are responsible of turning anyone away from GOD you will be held responsible for that one, as well as yourself, when you get face to face with HIM. You migh want to take that into consideration!!
Moriah

Chris guns are not the problem – it's the irresponsible, crazy people who have them! If you take guns away from law abiding citizens, then cars must go, too. How many people, innocent people, are killed by drunk drivers EVERY day. A car is a lethal weapon as is a gun. I don't drink and drive and those who do should NEVER drive again! I have never killed anyone with my car and if I had a gun I wouldn't kill/hurt anyone unnecessarily. If I had one in that theater, I would have used it to disarm the perpetrator and stop the horror!

You are wrong about prayer and I do love peace. The reality is we live in a world full of evil. One day that will change and evil will be thoroughly and completely judged.
- chris
  
  Guns have no useful purpose – there are other weapons of defense that are not lethal.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJZPJHAYI7OO7PT522CLW3UW7A Linda
    
    The day you stop advocating abortion, which is the murder of unborn children, will be the day that statements like the one you just made will be taken seriously.
- Bighoss
  
  Guns don't kill people: people with guns kill people.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WZKOUMCWNL5TNXT54CL3SO377M Ronald

I am sorry to hear you say that. PRAYER has everything to do with the problem. PRAYER has been taken out of almost every freedom and rights that we have as a CHRISTIAN nation. So yes, PRAYER does have everything to do with the problem.
- Bighoss
  
  You say,"
  PRAYER has been taken out of almost every freedom and rights that we have as a CHRISTIAN nation." Would you care to elaborate on that all-encompassing complaint? It makes no sense to be as written. Please explain.
Taquoshi

So, if something happens to your family, we should skip praying for them?
- chirs
  
  What's it going to do? Regrow the bones that got broken? No. Make people alive again? No. Stop people from using guns to kill people? No. Cure the common cold? No. It doesn't do squat and is essentially a copout for doing something real.
  
  It is more useful to provide help – prayer is not that.
  - Taquoshi
    
    As you wish. Then why are you on this site?
    Have a nice day.
Michael g.

You thought wrong. You're trying to paint everyone with your ideas of morality, or in your case immorality.

Deanie

AMEN

Byron Potter

Poeple, forget faith, forget religion, its all worthless. If there is a God, he's not welling to step in an put a stop to this madness of killers.

Waltz

Why do people say, "If there is a God, he's not welling to step in an put a stop to this madness of killers."

It's just silly! Do you really want God to take away your free will? Should God stop everyone who plans on killing, stealing, lying, or in anyway hurting someone? Maybe He should stop you from getting drunk or doing drugs, because you might hurt someone. And how would you have Him stop people from hurting others? Maybe He should zap them when they first dwell on an evil thought. Just get rid of all the sinners (all of us), that would solve the problem.

Do you see how dumb your statement is?
UF Gator

God is not a policeman. God is there for everyone even the sinner. The choice the sinner makes to harm others cannot be stopped because that would be interfering in the free will of man — of all the characteristics of man — He cannot destroy. He also does not prevent us from learning from mistakes to make us stronger and more vigilant… that we become strong and prepare to protect our country and our young. Suppose you are God and consider some alternative!!! I wager you come to the same conclusion of non-interference as He has.

Heartsick

A thought for Byron who said if there is a God, He is not willing to step in and stop this madness. Our country has told God that we want Him out of our schools, out of our politics, out of public life, etc. God is a gentleman who never forces Himself on anyone. He leaves when asked. When he leaves,His hand of protection leaves also. This horrible tragedy was not God's fault. It was an act out of the pit of Hell itself.

chris

How to weasel word yourself and your magic skygod out of any responsibility – way to go.

Christians seem to be able to justify ANYTHING.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJZPJHAYI7OO7PT522CLW3UW7A Linda
  
  Funny, Chris. I could say the same thing about atheists.
  - Jeff Dixon
    
    You could say it. It would not be accurate, but that is nothing new for your comments. Linda.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEEK4SGMAEZ56ZBNVITFJAVOVI Paul
  
  Not so, chris. God alone is both just and the justifier. All he asks is that you come to Him admitting your sin, and putting your trust and faith in the work done by His Son – that is Jesus – when He offered Himself in your place, taking your punishment on Himself.
  - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
    
    Putting your belief in a myth is a silly as it comes.
- UF Gator
  
  People have a way of doing that Chis. Why don't you offer us your alternative strategy rather than attacking the faith of others. You know this country was founded upon principles that you don't seem to up hold. So what should our next move be, do you think?
Jeff Dixon

How can an omnipresent deity leave anywhere?

Freeda

Nothing about this Colorado shooting makes any sense. It's unbelievable—and I'm not buying the official story. Smells like Eric Holder……"Fast and Furious Part II." http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_James_Holmes_shooting_false_flag.html

Mike From Colorado

Oh Please, I am certainly not an Eric Holder fan and have contacted my Senators and Congressman on numerous occasions to oust him. There are many others as well like Sibelius and HClinton that I have made the same recommendations of. But there is no evidence that he was behind this…let's play fair. This was the act of a lone perpetrator who has been living the Liberal Way…"anything goes" can not rule this land. I am a product of 60's and 70's thqt created this mess. We need to go back to our Christian ways, including having prayer at school et al.
- Taquoshi
  
  Mike, you're right that there is absolutely no evidence that Eric Holder had anything to do with this, just like James Holmes who is 50 years old and a member of the Tea Party had anything to do with it. However, tell that to Good Morning, America's Brian Ross and George Stephanolpolis, who tried to pin it on Mr. Holmes because he was a member of the Tea Party.
- chris
  
  Liberals don't like guns or did you forget that? The religious love them.
  - Michael g.
    
    Liberals don't like a lot of things. They forget one thing though; the world doesn't revolve around them.
  - UF Gator
    
    Chris: The Founders saw you coming.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEEK4SGMAEZ56ZBNVITFJAVOVI Paul
    
    "The religions love them" – another statement born of ignorance. Amish and Mennonite are very religious, and shun all violence or tools of violence.
    You got one thing right, though: Liberals don't like guns, (or God or babies). They want to do away with them all.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

Yes, as tragic as it is, I was also thinking, uh oh, here is another incident that the global gun grabbers will use to institute draconian gun control measures. It sickens me to think that the libs will use this to vilify legal, law-abiding gun owners, or else will figure out some way to blame it on the Tea Party, or some other nonsensical response.

If someone in the theater had been legally carrying a concealed weapon, much of the carnage could have been averted. Yes, I know the gunman was wearing armor, but armor does not offer 100% protection, and another person simply returning fire may have been enough to persuade him to cut his rampage short. Or better yet, 5 or 6 people returning fire.
- Steve03
  
  Colorado is a right to carry state — you can legally carry a gun on your shoulder or openly in a holster on your hip anywhere in Aurora. There probably were a few legally carried guns in the theater, but it takes training, presence of mind, a sense of civic duty, and courage to react in this sort of a situation. And the guy that thinks he needs to pack heat to go to the movies probably lacks all of those qualities.
  - http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark
    
    Steve03 says: " And the guy that thinks he needs to pack heat to go to the movies probably lacks all of those qualities ( training, presence of mind, a sense of civic duty, and courage).
    
    And how would you know that? They certainly have to have some training if they carry legally. Anyone with a legally carried gun in that situation, where there was an extended period of shooting, would have certainly had time to take cover, draw their weapon, and return fire. It doesn't take some superhuman commando to react in such a situation.
    
    I do not understand your negative comment about someone carrying a gun into a movie theater. I would think that would be the exact type of situation where you would want to be protected–an enclosed area with a large gathering of persons. Any public location with people is a target for a gunman, whether it be just the common ordinary thug or the mass murderer. If you are going to go the concealed carry route you should have it with you wherever you go, because it could be needed almost anywhere.
    - chris
      
      I don't trust people with guns. Anybody who thinks he is capable of deciding who is worthy of dying without any judge or jury or research is wrong. Even the police who are supposed to be trained seem to have a regular habit of shooting innocent people, particularly those with mental illness, depression or even in a diabetic condition. I prefer having less guns like the European countries where there is less crime, less deaths and less people in jail.
    - http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark
      
      I don't trust criminals with guns, but I do trust law-abiding citizens with guns. You seem to be forgetting the difference. It is not the gun that is the problem, it is the person who misuses the gun that is the problem.
      
      I would challenge you to provide some facts and figures to support your implication that law-abiding gun owners are prone to shoot innocent people. I would hazard a guess that the numbers and percentages are quite low.
      
      So you would like to have things here just like Europe? No guns, so oppressive governments would have a cakewalk to imprison their political opponents with impunity, just like Nazi Germany. No thanks. But you're welcome to go live there if it will make you happy.
    - UF Gator
      
      "I do trust law-abiding citizens with guns…" Me too… like Vladimir…
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJZPJHAYI7OO7PT522CLW3UW7A Linda
      
      "Anybody who thinks he is capable of deciding who is worthy of dying without any judge or jury or research is wrong."
      
      This, coming from an advocate of abortion? You *are* Chris P., aren't you?
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEEK4SGMAEZ56ZBNVITFJAVOVI Paul
    
    Steve03. How right you are. In a darkened theater, with everyone yelling, screaming, pushing, moving about helter skelter to avoid being shot or trampled, WHO do you aim at? There's a reason snipers go to high ground – being able to see the entire situation, being separate from the bedlam itself lets them do the right thing, get the right perpetrator. Being in the midst, your best bet is to hide and reconnoiter.
    But "packing heat" in the movie theater isn't a bad idea either. Danger lurks: On the way to, on the way from, in the dark corners, away from prying eyes – all situations which could benefit from having that equalizer with you.
- UF Gator
  
  I concur KBS. Did you see Vladimir's comment?
  - http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark
    
    Yes, I just saw it. I also see that the specific reason that no one in the theater had a legal weapon was because that particular theater chain has a no-guns policy, so obviously the shooter knew he could go in unchallenged and keep firing without a patron returning fire. Petroskhan mentioned that and maybe others did as well.
    - UF Gator
      
      Yes, I read the theater policy. Please also check out what I said about graduate school … evidently he was dropping out but the reason has not been disclosed. I knew of a foreign student who took his frustration out on himself… He climbed to the top of the stadium and jumped. This kind of result is not infrequent.
    - http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark
      
      Gotcha. Yes, it's hard to tell what motivates someone to do something like this, but we have to be careful to not blame something other than the individual. Apparently there were some boneheads on Facebook who were apparently praising the gunman or were trying to blame it on 'society' .
      
      "Facebook is exploding with dozens of fan pages in support of killer James Holmes that blame society for the murderer’s rampage that has killed 12 and wounded 59 in Colorado – and despite several reports to Facebook from outraged users, the social network has not removed the pages.
      
      Comments from Facebook page creators pretending to be “James Holmes” range from expressions of support for the killer to jokes and even calls for more violence.An unedited posting on one page states:“Usually when something like this goes down its people LIKE (society) you, who make people go insane.. I say this is a support page for james holmes."
      http://www.wnd.com/2012/07/facebook-pages-praise-colorado-killer/
Bighoss

It was inevitable that someone like you would come up with some kind of nutty assertion of something conspiratorial!
Michael g.

I think you're on to something. Hide and watch. We'll see what happens. Somebody will blow their 'cover' somewhere along the way.
UF Gator

That thought crossed my mind. If these clowns in power now get their way, none of us will have guns except the criminals. The Founders who wrote citizens should keep and bear arms saw this coming.

Texas Jack

Look at the reality to find the reson–(For sure I do not want to leave GOD out )–but the current leaders of our nation are trying to take our rights away as fast as possible–U.N. gun treaty is up for a vote,– TEA Party the first blamed,– the accused was working toward a degree in NUR-O science (mind control comes to my thought)— kills 14 with serious injury to severial more— walks out stands by his car till he is safely taken in to government control. Does any one besides me think conspiracy? All this done in a place where by the laws— no guns were allowed—thus no one could shoot back in defence– I see more to this. I guess TSA will be at the theaters to feal you up next week–Ladies and Children First

Steve03

Actually, Colorado is a right to carry state — "No guns" signs are "void and without legal effect" as long as you are carrying your gun openly. You only need a permit to carry a concealed weapon.
- petroskhan
  
  The theaters a private business, and can make their own rules. I personally don't agree with them, and think they should be sued, not just for violating peoples' 2nd Amendment rights, but for creating the environment where something like this can happen. But as it stands now, they will claim that it is their policy. From Brietbart.com:
  
  "As it happens, the Century 16 theaters at 14300 E. Alameda Ave in Aurora, Colorado are owned by Cinemark Century Theaters,
  headquartered in Plano, Texas, and for several years this chain movie
  theater has told customers they are not welcome to bring their firearms
  into theaters.
  
  Back in 2009, an Alaska-based member of a gun owner's message board
  going by the handle SubNine reported that he tried to enter a Cinemark
  owned theater with his open carry weapon but was told he was not allowed
  to enter the premises armed because the chain had a no-weapons policy.
  It was a "gun-free zone," he was told by the manager.
  
  A year before the above post, another message board started a similar conversation. In 2008, the Open Carry forums
  also noted Cinemark's "gun-free zone" policy. One message board member
  even communicated via email with a Dan Meyers at the corporate offices
  of Cinemark. That corporate official confirmed the restriction and added
  that only police officers could carry their concealed weapons into
  Cinemark theaters. He also asked gun owners not to bother complaining to
  them about the policy."
  - chris
    
    Guns are stupid – they are non selective and kill innocent people. A bad invention.
    - Evermyrtle
      
      Actually, i have never seen a gun, in my entire life, which removed itself from a table, or a drawer, sought out someone or something and shot it.The next time you see that happen, please tape the event the rest of us, that must be some more experience.
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJZPJHAYI7OO7PT522CLW3UW7A Linda
      
      Chris needs to cut back on the Kool-Aid.
    - UF Gator
      
      Again, excellent
    - petroskhan
      
      LOL Spoken like a true liberal, who's never held a gun in his life.
      
      "…they are non selective…" That's called aiming. You hit what you point it at.
      
      "…and kill innocent people." Why, yes, they do. And they kill guilty people, too. And over 2 million times per year, a gun is used in defense of family, life and/or property.
      
      "A bad invention." Well, either go through life with that attitude, and blame the Chinese, or grow up and learn to back up your thoughts with actual facts. Are knives a bad invention? They kill people. How about clubs, bats, or other blunt instruments? Bad inventions, too? Or maybe cars, swimming pools, and cigarettes? Major killers, those.
      
      Nothing, in and of itself, is "bad". It's the use to which it is put that is good or bad. No object can be blamed for the use to which it is put. Blame the person holding that object, and you're on the right track.
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJZPJHAYI7OO7PT522CLW3UW7A Linda
      
      Petroskhan, I'm convinced that Chris was dropped on his head as a child and that the part of his brain that was meant to help him to think logically was damaged beyond repair.
    - UF Gator
      
      Excellent also
    - Michael g.
      
      They are not a bad invention. They are a tool, nothing more. But like any tool, it can be used for wrongful ends.
      The tool in and of itself never killed anyone. It takes a "person" to do that.
      Guns, stupid? That emplies they have independent thought. Even a computer can't do that. Even they need someone to push the stupid buttons. Then they look for the stupid answer, then come to usually stupid conclusions. After that, they cuss out the stupid machine, and try another stupid approach.
    - UF Gator
      
      Excellent
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJZPJHAYI7OO7PT522CLW3UW7A Linda
      
      Maybe in your world – the fantasy world, where God doesn't exist – guns act on their own. But here, in the real world, that kind of thing is not possible.
    - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEEK4SGMAEZ56ZBNVITFJAVOVI Paul
      
      You know Chris, you're RIGHT! Why just yesterday, the gun on my kitchen table got up and started running down the street shouting – death to you all ! and began to non-selectively kill innocent people.
  - http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEEK4SGMAEZ56ZBNVITFJAVOVI Paul
    
    The second amendment only guarantees that the government cannot restrict your right to bear arms. By clear application that means that laws preventing you from carrying in "federal buildings" are unconstitutional. Private business, private homes, etc. are a different story. They can and should be able to impose, on their premises only, whatever limits THEY deem necessary for their premises.
    If you carry, carry wherever you are. If for some reason you are not allowed to carry someplace – leave, or don't go in the first place.
    - petroskhan
      
      Pretty much agree with you. Especially with that "leave, or don't go in the first place."

citizenrights

Since we are all spiritually ingrained in flesh when we are born. We see the flesh as we mature with it. The flesh manipulates us. If we allow it to. All do fall short, none are clean. We are of flesh and blood for but a time. This young man who has allowed his flesh and spiritual being to be encompassed and controlled by Lucifer. Is at risk of losing his spiritual life, in the judgment that will come for all! He will be banished to hell and when Jesus Christ destroys the serpent Lucifer. There will not even be a memory of those who have chosen to follow Lucifer into hell! When God establishes his eternal kingdom complete with all that love him! This Young man who committed these atrocities cannot escape the judgment to come even if he dose here for a time.
God did not cause this in any way. This is the work of a individual choice. The young man who committed himself to attempt to destroy what God has created. Spiritual life in the flesh. But God dose not see the flesh he only sees our hearts and our thoughts. That can become action. Some times with grave consequences. Un yet seen. Consequences of self ruin spiritually eternally and forever. In Gods spiritual flock those who love him. Do not feel real spiritual pain and agony. But those who murder, Committing acts against God and the creation that loves God and the innocent do experience complete spiritual misery. They are and will be in complete torment spiritually. All those who are now suffering and who have passed on are truly in the comfort of Our Lord and savior Jesus Christ.
They all need our ministering and prayers. So dose the young man, who has committed these atrocities. Those souls he has cast before God before there time will be comforted. Those amongst the casualties who do not know or love Our Savior when the departed so abruptly will find the chance too do so once again.
But it will take the holy spirit and God himself to rescue a tormented soul from hell. He may not receive a second chance.
Those who love God. One day will have spiritual bodies in His majestic kingdom. The Almighty! The most High! the Greatest King! We will once again be in harmony and relations with those dearly departed the innocent.
Take heed the judgment is coming. In a twinkle of the eye! it will be on us all, for those who are asleep, for those who toil and struggle, for those of great material wealth, for those who attempt to attack and destroy all God has created. So find it in your heart to forgive one another no matter how difficult it may seem to be and love each other and our savior our God. For our creation and the brief opportunity to have shared this experience we call human life with those around us.
Revelations: Chapter 22, verse 3, King James version.

chris

You are not spiritually ingrained when you are born because otherwise religion would be universal and inerrant. The "ingraining" is done by your parents or some other clowns and is specific to the country or religion where you are. Or didn't you notice that?

bill1776

IT’S THE ACLU’s FAULT: There are more crimes in our land because God given morals were taken out of our public schools. It is a scientific fact that after God given morals were taken out of the public schools by the ACLU and our federal dictators in black robes the crime rate has gone up. In the public school, God is out and the atheist secular humanist faith is in that teaches Darwinism. Because of the ACLU we must have more police, more jails and even police in our schools. The ACLU is costing the tax payers millions. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW!
The communist butchers of the atheist faith murdered millions. The Guinness Book of World Records list Mao the dictator of Red China (of the atheist faith) as the greatest murder of 26.3 million people.

chris

You seem to forget that most people have supposedly Christian parents. Mao was a maniac – not an atheist. He was a control freak like the Pope.
- bill1776
  
  Mao was a communist atheist that had many Christians killed, murdered.
- Michael g.
  
  Don't put the two in the same box. They are as far apart as the east is from the west.
- UF Gator
  
  True Chris… at least, I know only one person who claims to be Atheist. I know he is a good American who is in fact really to me, seems more an Agnostic, who is not at all like these two characters you mentioned.The reasons I think that is, about my Atheist friend, is b/c he is seeks evidence of the existence of God and he does change his mind when evidence presents itself which can be validated. I respect him because he would be difficult to deceive, a lesson we should all emulate for the protection of our families, at least, in the wake of what's happening to our country as we speak. I learned this lesson from him, and still I am a UCC. : )
- UF Gator
  
  In China over 1800 female children are aborted to 1 male child. The Economist journal keeps track of this statistic if you want to look it up. They compare China to several countries and USA is INCREASING TOWARD THAT STAT… The moral values of this country are going down, Chris, what do you propose to stop it?
Bighoss

Oh, horsefeathers! The ACLU has done more to protect freedoms in this country than any other organization. Here is a list of numerous cases where the ACLU has weighed in to DEFEND freedom of religion:

http://www.aclu.org/aclu-defense-religious-practice-and-expression
- bill1776
  
  Reply to Bighoss Horsefeathers: The ACLU even went after a cross in the middle of the desert. Some ask what’s the point, why?
  
  What is the goal of the ACLU?
  Roger Baldwin founder of the ACLU at the responsible age of 50 wrote "I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself as an instrument for violence and compulsion. I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." They want to chance America into an atheist communist nation.
  
  The Supreme Court said a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being. In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the court described "secular humanism" as a religion. Ref. Washington Legal Foundation.
  - Bighoss
    
    You simply ignored the long list of cases in which the ACLU went to court in defense of religious freedom. Deflecting to some other topic as you did is bad form in debate and is bad form also on forums.
    - bill1776
      
      The ACLU is a far left radical anti-Christian group. They may help Christians once in a while but when they do it is only to make them look good.
  - UF Gator
    
    Great Quote, bill1776! I also like your name with the 1776… maybe that will prompt some memories for folks about where we are.
    
    I hope you don't mind if I quote you: Here is what bill1776 said:
    
    "What is the goal of the ACLU?
    
    Roger Baldwin founder of the ACLU at the responsible age of 50 wrote "I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately for abolishing the State itself as an instrument for violence and compulsion. I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal." They want to chance America into an atheist communist nation."
    
    and of course
    
    "The Supreme Court said a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being. In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the court described "secular humanism" as a religion. Ref. Washington Legal Foundation."
    - bill1776
      
      Reply to UF Gator: Thanks for the comment and kind words I appreciate it. You can quote me any time you like or use my material. The ACLU comes out against Christians because they want to destroy the Christian foundation this country was built upon. Roger Baldwin says, " Communism is the goal".
    - UF Gator
      
      Thank you bill1776! I will remember the name Roger Baldwin
UF Gator

There is little protection for the people who came here first to flee religious persecution in Europe from the same tyrannical group who inhabit the ACLU, the progressives, the leftists who want to preserve the right for women to destroy babies as they are born at the worst, who wish to remove… the inspiration of the 1776 revolution from tyrannical George III, the God of our first president, George Washington and his predecessors, the Puritans, who escaped getting burned at the stake, almost 300 years prior, … from our sacred — yes, I said it… our sacred — institutions. The U. S. Constitution, written by the Founders, anticipated exactly what is going down in our country and we see exactly those signs. I hope for American change in November.

Evermyrtle

I cannot understand why a person that was capable of committing such carnage had not been recognized as being dangerous. Surely he was not able to hide his character that well. If his family,or health officials, of police force, if the people around him, had any idea and made no attempt to do something, they are guilty of neglect.

chris

Boy that will help. Taking away guns WILL make it more difficult to kill people. it's a fact.
- Evermyrtle
  
  99.99% of Americans do not want to kill people, 75% of Americans do not want to kill anything. It is that small mindless percentage which is dangerous. If there had been one conscientious person in that theater, who had a gun he/shecould have saved most of these people and would have used it to save innocent lives.
  - UF Gator
    
    Exactly Evermyrtle, for example, a conscientious, principled person, like Vladimir!
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_VJZPJHAYI7OO7PT522CLW3UW7A Linda
  
  FYI, Chris: There's more than one way to kill a person. For instance, someone can strangle their victim to death with their bare hands. I suppose that you, an advocate of removing dangerous weapons from people you don't trust, would advocate something radical like hand removal. Given your track record for posting what is most likely the first nutty thought that comes to you, I wouldn't be surprised if you would advocate something like that.
  
  Just as long as *you* didn't have to put your hands on the chopping block, of course.
  - UF Gator
    
    good point
UF Gator

It's tragic. It's an internal thing with students, and graduate students especially.They don't want to disappoint their loved ones, if they have any, from the relentless pursuit required of a higher education, which they are — in this young man's case – failing. (or it's not working, or something like that)… A teacher probably saw the symptoms but never reported them simply because high pressure on students, and the consequent internalization of its effects, unfortunately, are common. Also, the last thing the student will think, is that they need therapy. Besides if they did want some empathy, they are way too busy to seek it from family, who "don't understand" or "can't understand" them.

nadobabo

It's a tip of iceberg now melting down. The whole society is infected with atheism, relativism, materialism, individualism, nationalism, hedonism, I-believe-myself-ism along with decaying religions, fake Christians everywhere from the very top to the bottom. The world is being toyed in the hand of pleasure-driven power-mongers. Was this one just a freak event? I doubt it.

chris

No – THIS society is infected by the crazy morons at the NRA who don't want any rules governing the ownership of guns. The NRA CONTROLS. The NRA is looking out for gun manufacturers.
- UF Gator
  
  Not really Chris, are you kidding?
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEEK4SGMAEZ56ZBNVITFJAVOVI Paul
  
  Thanks for that. Now we're all sure that you're just blowing smoke to see who you can irritate.
UF Gator

Still, the trend to be good is available for role modeling. Adults can be a good example, for example. That's regardless whether you believe in a higher power.

Marilyn K. Smith

This is the way it works. God's hand is on us for OUR protection. He does not force us to allow Him to keep it there. If we reject Him, He politely pulls it away and let's us be the boss and have things our way. Relationship with God is OUR choice. He graciously uses OUR choices to turn the mess we've made into good for OUR sake. The righteous (those who have a relationship with Him as His children) who were present at the theater will have Him with them no matter what. He will guide them through this tragedy and make something good out of it–even those who were wounded and are His children will learn and grow closer to Him. His prayer is that those who are not in a relationship with Him will chose to be because He loves them and that is His focus. He is OUR RESCUER and eventually all the world we be like like this one incident, He wants to rescue everybody but It's OUR choice. Overcomers: The end of the Book says the world will see more and more of these terrible and horrifying incidents. Man's greed and sin will increase. Don't be discouraged. Jesus has overcome the world. If we live or if we die, He will never leave us or forsake us. Dying, as awful as we imagine it to be, only brings us into Glory. Read the Book. It explains everything.

chris

Your gobbledygook doesn't make sense. It's just a ramble of justification for a lame god that is "around" when somebody doesn't get killed.
- UF Gator
  
  I wouldn't put it quite that way, Chris, but I don't see God preventing such a tragedy, in fact, if He is a personal god as many believe, He gives us trials to make us strong, We have the choice like Vladimir says, in essence, to prepare. The attitude "to prepare" is in line with the Founder's implied warning to keep and bear arms. The health of your family could be in the balance.

Vladimir

After this incidence, It is apparent that if you are in a large group that cannot be armed because of local laws or restrictions, you are a "rich target of opportunity". The gunman can take his time placing well aimed bullets into the bodies of those who can't get away, comfortable that he is the only one with a gun.
The shooter on the commuter train out of New York, the shooter at Virginia Tech, the shooter at Fort Hood and the shooter in Aurora all knew they had plenty of time and plenty of victims because there would be no one armed to oppose them.
I will not go into a movie theater that will not allow me to be armed. Unfortunately there are other places that I must enter that have the same restrictions, example: post offices. However, I will reduce my vulnerability by avoiding those commercial establishments that display, "No Guns Allowed".

chris

You appear to be paranoid and delusional. It is far more dangerous driving your car and there a gun will not help at all.
- UF Gator
  
  Vladimir is realistic. I hope he is around when some idiot begins shooting at my family.
- Crashaxe
  
  Chris Were all praying for you brother.
- http://pulse.yahoo.com/_ZEEK4SGMAEZ56ZBNVITFJAVOVI Paul
  
  So then the answer is clear. Outlaw cars, not guns, and the world will be a safer place!
  - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
    
    It probably would be safer. But we often trade safety for convenience.
- UF Gator
  
  National Academies Report on # of Medical MISTAKES!!! every year http://www8.nationalacademies.org/onpinews/newsitem.aspx?RecordID=11623
  - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
    
    You are correct, medial practitioners make mistakes. However, there have been more advances in medical science over the past 200 years, then in the past 5,000. I suspect when you are needing medical attention, you will still go to your doctor. It is not guaranteed they will fix it, but it is a better guarantee than doing nothing, or simply praying that a god intervenes.
    - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
      
      Should have been medical practitioners.
    - UF Gator
      
      Absolutely Jeff, I hoped to point out the absurdity of Chris's argument as well
Crashaxe

Let's see you named a couple of the Gun Free Zones that were attacked now can anyone name how many police stations, shooting range's, gun shops or for that matter a Starbucks or Denny's that have been the target of these whims attack where someone may have the ability to SHOOT BACK! None there are NONE! Gun Free Zones = easy pickings
Sign on door should read:
Danger Gun Free Zone, Enter At Your Own Risk!

UF Gator

The shooter, a young man, was NOT failing his graduate school classes, but did voluntarily DROP OUT. Graduate students are under tremendous pressures they don't anticipate; when one is up against THE experts in the field, those who have "passed muster," it's like joining their very private society to become one. The main reason this is NOT advertised to students is because those professors must recruit or perish in their quest to climb their ladder of "success." It is a veritable entrepreneurial enterprise to be a professor. One learns "the ropes" by "hard knocks."

I would wager this young man couldn't take the pressure and also could not find a single person to empathize. Obviously, he did not know to whom he should go to to express his "failings." Whatever your beliefs, a good, higher power is needed, preferably family. Emphasis, good.

Also, someone as smart as he must have been – to be accepted in the graduate program – would have found a way to gather his arsenal, legal or not, having criminal intent as shooters obviously do.

The government can make all the laws it deems needed, but it will never prevent criminals from getting guns when they want to, regardless. If the current president gets his way, citizens will not, but criminals of this country will have guns. Consider the drug cartels who received arms allegedly through the "fast and furious" debacle now under investigation in the U. S. Congress. What is this outrageous result all about? We can only hope to know the whole story. It is an outrage. Take heed and support our rights to bear arms, the Founders, strong men, had us in mind, to protect us from such tyranny.

My heart goes out to these misguided kids who believe the system is on their side, for they suddenly realize it’s not, and they likely realize they will be rejected, because they are certainly not understood for the path they have taken, which is singular.. Parents help your kids make these decisions and be with them every step of the treacherous way.

http://www.facebook.com/misscrystaln Crystal Nuttle

The Church leaders dropped the ball in being the main influence in public policy and being a voice from the pulpit due to signing the 501c-3 non-profit status, promising to no longer be the powerful influence and gate keeper in keeping America a Christen nation! This started with LBJ dangling the forbidden fruit in front of the ministers in 1954 so when 1963 came the churches were so inundated with this muzzle they couldn't stop prayer and the Bible from being taken out of public schools! Now it is the traditional thing to do when ever someone wants to start a ministry! So the deadly silence from the church world is perpetuated! Tradition really does kill the power of God! So now you have government brain washed kids that thinks that is no big deal to be demonically disrespectful and to kill human beings!

UF Gator

He was a loner essentially required to work with and present some very complex science. He basically did not have the personality it takes to give a show-and-tell … ever know a classmate like that? He freaked out and quit, basically destroying his career, which to him was everything he worked for.

I am not defending him. I am raising a warning. That is happening in schools everywhere, where professors typically don't warn students what to expect and they shouldn't be in that position at all if they can't get up and give a presentation. It basically freaks people out to do it. I have seen it a hundred times if I have seen it once.

It happens to good students too. This guy, the shooter, was a model student.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004047180339 John Adams

Why were so-called "christians" in a theater in the first place?!?!?!