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Saint Ted Kennedy?

Has Ted Kennedy been canonized? “I knew that when he left us he would go to heaven and help pass the bill,” Nancy Pelosi proclaimed a few weeks ago, going on to assure us, “And now he can rest in peace. His dream for America’s families has become a reality.”

There is a problem here, which has more to do with theology than politics, and it provides a good opportunity to think about last things: four of them, to be precise.

Death—even when expected—is difficult to bear. Common sense teaches us to expect it; Benjamin Franklin leveled with us, declaring that it was certain; and Scripture reveals that it awaits us all. But we still grieve when someone crosses the threshold of time and eternity: A void is left by a loved one’s death, and few are excited for their own.

And judgment is right there, tagging along wherever death goes. We are taught to fear God in Scripture. Yes, we fear the just punishments—the loss of heaven and the pains of hell—but the highest form of fear is filial, a reverential fear of displeasing God because of who he is: a loving Father.

There have been unfortunate caricatures of God, within Christendom and without, as a surly, implacable judge eagerly awaiting the next soul to condemn. This is not, we’d have to admit, the predominant fault of our age, which tends to revolt at even the possibility of judgment (except for history’s worst criminals, and people we really, really despise—like the ones who send text messages while you're having a conversation).

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  • http://profile.yahoo.com/HJ7WL76PEYKNST6BVIBQPAJ3JM r

    Sorry but as I recall Ted was involved in a death and then ran. He was never tried for his crimes here.

  • Devasahayam

    Piglousy's idea of "heaven"–it can only be hell, where the late unrepentant drunken-swimmer-murderer Senator actually is!

  • earlwatters

    ted kennedy was a trader commie just like all the other democrats in office.gave papers to russia about our missal defenses he should have been hanged with fonda,polise,reed,barney frank and obama all are in the same boat a bunch of commies we fought theses bastards for 70ty years now the bastards our running our country into bank destruction

    • Guest

      "traitor"… the intent my be understood by some but not all, but is important.

  • tod

    They will not let you know what I have found,and they block me every time and if you don't believe me you try and write what I found and see how long, if at all, it stays up ! Just click on my name to see what the Devil Satan will not let you see because he's a scared little spoiled angle and is scared of Our Father and to let you Know what I will show you !!! I pray if AFTER YOU WATCH IF YOU HAVE TAKEN OFF YOUR VEILS AFTERWARDS,PLEASE,PLEASE HELP ME PASS IT ON !!! Amen

    • Bighoss

      tod, you need to get professional help–and soon!

      • tod

        Bighoss don't even bother looking Nobody goes to God unless God Calls Them,and I'm Pretty sure it's Not You !!!

        • Bighoss

          Who called YOU into the confused paranoid state into which you have obviously descended?

  • Robert Courtney

    Saint? For "I killed a girl" Ted Kennedy?
    That is completely insane!
    I would expect nothing less from "moonbat" Piglosi.

    • Jojo

      Don't forget that he testified on behalf of is nephew who was accused of raping a woman in FL.

  • Sama

    Pope-ess Pelosi hasn't a clue. All she know is dollar signs!

    • Michael g.

      Above anybody; she should know. She is after all a Catholic. I think however, she has been excommunicated from the Church for her stances on several issues. She's in more trouble than she realizes.

  • mallen11

    Sorry, Catholics, but every believer in the Lord Jesus Christ is a saint. No person can decide who is and who isn't.
    Philippians 1:1 Paul and Timothy, bond-servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are in Philippi, including the overseers (Pastor-teacher) and deacons:
    Eph 4:12 … for the purpose of equipping the saints for the production of Christian service, to the
    edification of the body of Christ.
    So how can dead people do service or edify the body of Christ, the Church? There are so many scriptures in the NT that tell us that believers are saints; it is not what we have done but the saving work of Jesus Christ that was finished on the cross for our salvation.

    • Bighoss

      Correct, mallen, but remember–Catholics have no trouble making up un-Biblical stuff like "saints." They say it comes to them by Apostolic authority, handed down through the centuries by "Apostolic succession." Never mind that the person who wrote the verses you quoted WAS an APOSTLE and he never identified "saints" as other than simply those who are Christians.

      • mallen11

        We definitely agree on that.

      • Michael g.

        The word 'saints' is not unbiblical. Look it up.

        • Bighoss

          I placed the word in quotes to indicate that the special spin placed on it by Catholics is non-Biblical. My second sentence, above, should make it clear even to you that I do not find the word itself to be unbiblical. It is not the WORD that is unbiblical in the manner in which it is employed by the RCC. It is the reservation of the word to a special class of perceived elites. THAT is decidedly unbiblical.
          Saints, in the New Testament, are simply Christians.

        • Glen S

          No, but the Catholic use of the word and the theology developed around that use is unbiblical.

    • Winston

      Correction: the proper interpretation of "overseer" is not "pastor/teacher" but the only church authority (Biblically) as spiritual overseer are the pluralistic "Bishop/Elder". The only church authority (Biblically) for temporal matters are the pluralistic "Deacons". A "pastor" should not be included as a church authority as to spiritual or temporal decisions because that role is a spiritual gift to lead the flock as a shepherd…not a ruler. If the pastor is set up as the church authority that leaves the door open for the pastor to become a rogue control freak and it happens in many churches…and denominations. When those set up as church authority are weak and are the "pastor's handpicked boys" that is doomed to failure and the church has become a "man-follower" instead of a "Christ-follower".

      • mallen11

        You are wrong again. It does not work that way in our church and our Pastor-teacher does not rule over us. We have Deacons who handle all the administrations of our church and our Pastor-teacher spends his time studying and teaching from the original languages. We are constantly reminded that it is the "message" not the man when it comes to the Word of God. Our focus is on Jesus Christ and His message from the entire Word of God; not extra writings like the RCC and many denominations use as creeds or sacraments but the exact Word of God for us to live and grow spiritually.

        Eph 4:11
        -And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists,
        and some as pastors and teachers,

        • James C. Harrison

          Excuse me! Everytime you open your mouth to proclaim "I believe" something or another (which you just did), it is a "creed." of sorts. Everytime your pastor (and mine) preaches, it is a creed (taken from "credo" which means "I believe." Unless you simply quote Scripture, it is always a creed. The mission statement of any organization (including a church) is a creed. The Westminster Confession of Faith is a creed, but it is never equated with the Bible by those who accept it, Nor could any creed rightly be raised to that level. If you don't like creeds, don't ever read any other book but the Bible.
          By the way, a sacrement is not a writing; it is a biblical ceremony. There are only two in the church–the Lord's Supper and baptism–not seven as claimed by the Romanists.

          • mallen11

            We just don't use the word "creed" to teach Bible Doctrine in our church. You can use creed all you want but I cannot find that we have creeds in the Bible. I grew up in a denomination and I am now in a non-denominational church that teaches the Word of God for at least an hour each service and we learn how to live the Christian or spiritual way of life from the Bible. We don't need creeds to live by; we need what the Bible says.
            God’s own complete and coherent message to man was recorded in perfect accuracy in the original languages of scripture: Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. They are the languages carrying Divine Authorship.
            There is no need to be afraid of God's Word being taught accurately because it gets rid of self-righteous arrogance of religious people just like the Pharisees in Jesus' day. They taught traditions instead of the Law and added over 600 and did not even know what the Law taught. Too many churches today do the same thing with their "creeds" and rituals. Yes, Communion is mandated.

          • James C. Harrison

            mallen11 • 9 hours ago • parent

            You
            are wrong again. It does not work that way in our church and our
            Pastor-teacher does not rule over us. We have Deacons who handle all the
            administrations of our church and our Pastor-teacher spends his time
            studying and teaching from the original languages. We are constantly
            reminded that it is the "message" not the man when it comes to the Word
            of God. Our focus is on Jesus Christ and His message from the entire
            Word of God; not extra writings like the RCC and many denominations use
            as creeds or sacraments but the exact Word of God for us to live and
            grow spiritually.

            Eph 4:11
            -And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists,
            and some as pastors and teachers,

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            James C. Harrison • 5 hours ago • parent

            Excuse
            me! Everytime you open your mouth to proclaim "I believe" something or
            another (which you just did), it is a "creed." of sorts. Everytime
            your pastor (and mine) preaches, it is a creed (taken from "credo" which
            means "I believe." Unless you simply quote Scripture, it is always a
            creed. The mission statement of any organization (including a church)
            is a creed. The Westminster Confession of Faith is a creed, but it is
            never equated with the Bible by those who accept it, Nor could any
            creed rightly be raised to that level. If you don't like creeds, don't
            ever read any other book but the Bible.
            By the way, a sacrement is
            not a writing; it is a biblical ceremony. There are only two in the
            church–the Lord's Supper and baptism–not seven as claimed by the
            Romanists.
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            mallen11 • 5 hours ago • parent

            James C. Harrison: We
            just don't use the word "creed" to teach Bible Doctrine in our church.
            You can use creed all you want but I cannot find that we have creeds in
            the Bible. I grew up in a denomination and I am now in a
            non-denominational church that teaches the Word of God for at least an
            hour each service and we learn how to live the Christian or spiritual
            way of life from the Bible. We don't need creeds to live by; we need
            what the Bible says.
            God’s own complete and coherent message to man
            was recorded in perfect accuracy in the original languages of scripture:
            Hebrew, Aramaic and Greek. They are the languages carrying Divine
            Authorship.
            There is no need to be afraid of God's Word being taught
            accurately because it gets rid of self-righteous arrogance of religious
            people just like the Pharisees in Jesus' day. They taught traditions
            instead of the Law and added over 600 and did not even know what the Law
            taught. Too many churches today do the same thing with their "creeds"
            and rituals. Yes, Communion is mandated.
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            A
            creed by any other name is still a creed. You just wrote one; now I am
            writing one. (Creed = credo = "I believe.") It is obvious that we
            both believe that the Bible only and in its entirety is the word of
            God. But every time we talk about the Bible, we are being creedal, like
            it or not.

            The Bible faithfully stands in its inerrency and
            infallibility. No other book has that status. All other books,
            lectures, sermons, etc on any subject must be presented within its
            parameters or they are in error.

            You can say what you wish, but
            various Bible affirming denominations have their distinctives. And they
            have their differences as to how the gospel and the whole councel of
            God should be presented. Whether spoken, written on paper, or etched in
            stone, they are inescapably creedal.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton

        A pastor is the senior-most presbyter in the congregation, and he must submit himself to the authority of his bishop. If he rebels against the authority of his bishop, the bishop has the authority to strip him of his position as pastor and give it to another.

    • James C. Harrison

      Kings and priests, also

  • Bighoss

    A candidate for "sainthood" in the Roman Catholic Cult must be shown to have been responsible for two POSTHUMOUS miracles–miracles performed after the candidate has died. One has to wonder just what kinds of "miracles" the late Ted Kennedy might be considered to have performed. Any suggestions, anyone?….

    • Michael g.

      You're way off track on all this. The Roman Catholic Church is not a 'cult.' There are supposed to be three, not two miracles (verified–not posthumously). This is for one who is up for candidacy. It's a long process to get there. It doesn't happen over night. Besides, I wouldn't worry about it anyway.

      • Bighoss

        From a Catholic web page operated by the Knights of Columbus :

        http://www.fathermcgivney.org/mcg/en/sainthood/faq/index.html

        How many miracles are required for the making of a saint?"One miracle is required for beatification, in which case the servant of God is given the title "Blessed." A second miracle after beatification is required for sainthood. Many have the notion that the Church is looking for miracles from the servant of God's life. That is not the case. The miracles required for canonization must take place after the death of the candidate for sainthood."
        Is this incorrect? Do the Knights of Columbus have it wrong? If so, then maybe you should tell them so.

        • Michael g.

          The Knights of Columbus have no standing in determining Sainthood. I don't know where you get that one. For a definition of the word 'Saint' see Vines pp 996 -997. The definition is too long to go into in this confined space. The word appears in all forms of the Bible, so how is how is anyone misusing it? Also, try to use other sources that the Internet; that's one of the most unreliable.

          • Bighoss

            Then not only the K of C, but other Catholic sources of information have gotten it wrong. From U.S. Catholic, an informational service in wide use among Catholics in this country:

            <<>>
            If the last sentence is true, then by definition the miracles discussed here must be posthumous.
            http://www.uscatholic.org/church/2011/11/why-does-church-require-miracles-sainthood
            You criticize my sources. Why don't YOU cite some Catholic source that you consider definitive on the matter if you believe you are so correct?

          • Michael g.

            If you're using web sites for your sources that is one of the worst places to go (too much imisinformation). I never allowed my students to site the Internet for sources. They had to use printed material for their sources. It's not as easy to change something already in print.

          • Bighoss

            I repeat, "
            Why don't YOU cite some Catholic source that you consider definitive on the matter if you believe you are so correct?

          • Michael g.

            This is for you to prove your position. I don't have to prove mine. I've had students try to pull this trick with me before, and they never got away with it. So…!

          • Michael g.

            And to follow on a little farther; You're not aCatholic, are you? If you were, you wouldn't say these things. This is an old trick students used to try to pull on me. They didn't get away with it either. If they persisted they usually didn't do very well in my classes.;
            You've made the acquisition. It's up to you to prove your position; not up to me to disprove it.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon

            He has shown sources. All you have done is say they are no good without explaining why or showing something that supports your view. If that is how you teach, it is unfortunate you are in the type of position.

          • Michael g.

            I've been waiting for this to happen. I'll do the same as I've done in the past. Certain sources I don't accept, the Internet is one of 'em. I don't have to explain my point. Yours is a typical trick of the left to deflect; put me on the defensive; it won't work. I don't have to support my position. He has to support his. He hasn't done that. And while I'm on the subject of 'deflection; I don't remember addressing my comments to you, Jeff. I didn't invite you into this conversation. You are typical of so many others in the past, you just made the list. How do you like life in the "V-Ring?"

    • G. Macher

      Teddy's body was not embalmed and yet it isn't rotting. That's a miracle. Or maybe he was self-embalmed. I'll get back to you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004047180339 John Adams

    ONLY those who have received Jesus Christ as personal Lord and Saviour are saints. From all evidence, ted kennedy never did that. I don't believe he is a saint.

  • DockyWocky

    No matter how you parse it, a liberal zealot like Tubby Kennedy does not appear to be heaven material. However, he could be getting out of Purgatory about the same time as Mohammed…

  • Evermyrtle

    It is not up to us to know or decide where Ted Kennedy is. It is possible that he made a death bed repentance, confession and acceptance of JESUS CHRIST AS SAVIOR. Unless he did that I believe that very few people think he is in heaven. As for me. I have no admiration in the least for Teddy, BUT I have no idea if he is in heaven or somewhere else, GOD does not ever, ask my opinion.

  • John J Flanagan

    Many people have a deluded and erroneous view of what constitutes success, and what attributes of a man or woman are of value to their soul's eventual destination. Success is being saved, being born again by the Holy Spirit, and being a child of God, with or without the material possessions that society deems required for the successful person. The soul's eventual destination is based on the work and grace of God, and our repentance, even that, is the work of God, who draws us to Himself. Knowing about the life of Ted Kennedy, I do not believe there is evidence of the fruit of humility and faith that places him in the category of the saved. He was for abortion, even late term. He favored marriage between degenerates, same gender. He loved alcohol and was a womanizer. Do we still think he is a candidate for sainthood?

    • Michael g.

      You've got that one pegged. I don't see much fruit there with ole' Teddy.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/RQSXJIXIII53M6WBYPBPI5I5HI A

    "Is he in Heaven? Is he in Hell? that damned elusive Pimpernel!" If I read my Bible correctly Teddy is neither in Heaven or Hell. He is in the place where one awaits the resurrection and the judgment. Does he know his fate? There is reason to suspect he does,.But we on earth and still alive have no knowledge of either his fate or the outcome of his judgment.

    • Michael g.

      You're pretty close on that. I once heard a minister say: "One second after death, you'll know where you're going to spend Eternity."

    • mallen11

      As believers in the Lord Jesus Christ when we die the Bible says we meet Him face to face.

      Paradise or
      Abraham’s Bosom (called by Jesus Christ) Believers only from Adam and Eve all
      the way to all who died before the resurrection.

      Jesus Christ told the thief on the cross who believed: Luke 23:43

      Prophesized in Psalm 15:10

      A matter of record from Peter’s Pentecostal Message – Acts
      2:27, 31

      Eph 4:9 (Now this expression,
      “He ascended,” what does it mean except that He also had descended into the
      lower parts of the earth?

      After the resurrection, all believers in Paradise made a PCS
      (Permanent change of station) to the 3rd Heaven.

  • Guest

    I am a firm believer that Teddy Kennedy is in hell with his father of lies, Satan.

    • Michael g.

      Fortunately we doh't make that call. We don't know where he is. Perhaps one day we will find out. It is more important what happens to us, not what has happened to him.

  • Deepizzaguy

    And the Oakland Raiders football team are choirboys.

  • Amishron

    Nancy Pelosi cannot imagine heaven & Ted Kennedy never made it there since both of them were crapped on a rock by something & the sun hatched them. Both are evil & I hope Tedddy is enjoying his time in hell getting pumped like the neighbors cat by Satan himself.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/June-Gagnon/1673686634 June Gagnon

    The botox queen is obviously "ignorant" of Teddy's past history- -murderers do NOT go to Heaven! Much less be Canonized!

  • Fred_K

    He was a scumbag on earth, and there is no reason that he believed in Jesus Christ, because of the lifestyle he led. I hope NP enjoys her visit with him where ever he is, because they will both be in the same place. I also hope he is rolling over in his grave forever when obummercare gets repealed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Rose-Marie-Noa/1086452677 Rose-Marie Noa

    Ted Kennedy was a despicable person who destroyed many lives!!! Yet the libtards treat him like a saint! It shows how low they have fallen!!! Pity them…..but vote them out of office!!!

    NOBAMA 2012!!!!

  • WASP

    The only thing this psycho socialist has in common with Saints is they're all dead. In heaven? I don't think so. He may not have been tried or convicted of murder on earth, but the judge of last resort may have different ideas.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Lanny-Gene-Wood/1588254634 Lanny Gene Wood

    I wasn't aware of Ted Kenndy's canonization. IF he's now a saint, the catholic church is scraping the bottem of the barrel in light of his womanizing. If I'm not mistaken, he was also divorced. But I Can't remember, he may have had his marriage "annulled." Annullment is just a catholic divorce.

  • BUD

    IF MARY JO WAS HERE SHE WOULD PUKE.

  • BUD

    ACTUALLY, THIS WOULD MAKE MANY PEOPLE PUKE.

  • BUD

    PIGLOSI, ANOTHER PUKE.

  • BUD

    BEWARE, THIS SITE IS DELETING COMMENTS.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Susan-Daniels/100002412034189 Susan Daniels

    Ted Kennedy is waiting in Hell for Nancy Pelosi. And I hope Mary Jo Kopechne's famiiy haunts him there every day. Kennedy and OJ Simpson proved the theory that if you have enough money, you really can get away with murder. The Clintons have proven that, too, as has Obama.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon

      So, you would like Mary Jo's family to end up in hell as well? How very Christian of you.

      • G. Macher

        Jeff, you got the stupid comment award for this thread. Congrats.

  • RAS0503

    Does anyone beleive anything nancy pukosi has ever said? The God I know would not let the likes of ted kennedy into heaven unless of course he repented, I feel that is unlikely. I like what Susan Daniels below said… "ted kenedy is waiting in Hell for nancy pelosi".

  • G. Macher

    Ted made more sense as the tumor grew. Sad but true.