Obama appoints first Mormon to WH faith council

As he competes against a Mormon in the presidential election, President Obama has appointed the first Mormon member of his White House faith-based council.

Elder Steven Snow now serves as the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints official historian.

He is also a member of the First Quorum of the Seventy, a priesthood order of teachers and administrators.

“The faith-based office is made up of leaders of religions from across our great country, and Elder Snow’s appointment ensures that the LDS faith will have a seat at the table,” said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. Like Snow, Hatch is Mormon.

Mitt Romney, the presumptive GOP nominee, is also a member of the LDS church.

According to the White House, the advisory council is charged with: indentifying best practices for delivering social services, improving the implementation of public policies related to faith-based groups, and recommending changes to polices, programs and practices to the president.

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Wordman

Oh, right. What a coincidence.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Judy-Mahaffey/1088521191 Judy Mahaffey
  
  Political Points: What a coincidence!
- Devasahayam
  
  And he's probably only about as devout as Dirty Harridan Reid (about whom I had to double-check when I saw a post on a blog that he's Mormon — as Reid gives exactly the opposite impression that the door-to-door elders do).
  - UF Gator
    
    All Americans are individuals, just like Mormons or people of any religion in the United States
    - Myrtle
      
      You are right, and we need to look after our own relationship with GOD. A lot of that is how we treat other people. We brothers and sisters in GOD'S sight if we are Christian and are supposed to help each other not tear eachother down.
    - Dale
      
      I agree. We need to stick together now more than ever. Obama needs to go home and its not America. We don't need him here to destroy real freedom.
Evermyrtle

My opinion: He id fishing for votes that he can take away form Romney!!!
- Sues
  
  Ya think?
32eagle

I am sure Romney will check him out -if he does not already know him-and even if he does-if he is not good enough to suit Romney- the best mormon for the job will be in there.Next Obama will be giving Romney gifts-so that Mitt may reconsider fully investigating Obama and his very serious crimes
David in MA

Ha, Ha, Ha…..Not taking anything away from the Mormon Pastor, but obozo and the DEMONcRATS are worried all to heck and going to any sneaky means to bullchit the people to get votes….HEY OBOZO, IT AIN'T GONNA WORK! YOUR OUT IN NOVEMBER!
- UF Gator
  
  David: all your irrespectable verbiage aside, you are right on the point!
John Daniels

It doesn't matter who he appoints, the only one he listens to is the Muslim who denies Christians to even speak to the president. Read, 'THE COMING: A TRUE STORY OF HORROR'@amazon This book shows what our future will soon be. Unbelievable!
EstebanCafe

The purpose of this group, from the article:
"According to the White House, the advisory council is charged with: indentifying best practices for delivering social services, improving the implementation of public policies related to faith-based groups, and recommending changes to polices, programs and practices to the president."
Mayhaps this new man will inform your Highness, Mssr Obama, that American's historically famous 'self-reliance' should be ressurected among her people, rather than the sordid dependence encouraged by this man (I know the LDS faith ecourages self-reliance). I'm sure there's a presidential "veto" awaiting any changes suggested by this man to the current junta's dependency model.
- Vladimir
  
  Good analysis, EstebanCafe. I think you nailed it.
- UF Gator
  
  Excellent. I am looking forward to make note on a confirmation of your "veto" reference!
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1357090716 Jerry Morgan

Obama leaves no stone unturned when it comes to pandering for votes ….does he?
- Evermyrtle
  
  You can believe that!!!
- Sues
  
  Nope. He sure doesn't. Such a joke. He can fool some of the people some of the time, but not all the people all of the time.
- Mexseiko
  
  It's the modes of the whole party. They bean with the African Americans, then women, abortionists, gays, on and on…
Buzzymuzzwelle

Signing deals with Israel, appointing a Mormon, the U.N. Arms Treaty up in smoke? He's giving
away to much to early. I don't trust it because I don't trust the man.
- UF Gator
  
  creepy signs accompanies the man
Sherri

This man will stop at nothing to bribe the people. What a Phony. If this person wins again we will all see without doubt for those who don't see yet just what a destruction he has in store for this country.
- Evermyrtle
  
  Absolutely right!!! There are no boundaries where his politicking is concerned!!!
Mormon with a cause

I'm a Mormon and this IS pandering in the first order. He could swap out the entire group with members of my church and it still wouldn't change my mind. This man must go in November so that we can put the Constitution back in it's proper place in this country. As well as putting the limits it places on government back into effect. He takes way too much for granted. Namely, the American People!
- http://www.monster-island.net/ kushibo
  
  If you and most Mormons feel this way, why would he do it? Maybe it's not actually pandering for bites but trying to prevent problems (like the birth control fiasco) before they happen?
  - UF Gator
    
    "most" Mormons are individuals, just like Americans… again we have the religious test, the elephant in the room
- Annie
  
  Obam is only tottieing for a vote!!
- UF Gator
  
  precisely. thank you
- Myrtle
  
  Why are we always cutting down some religion, Mormon, Catholic, JW's. I believe it is because it make us fee more GODLY, self righteous, important. If we would clean up our own part of GOD'S WORK, we could make some type of advance. As long as we rip other churches besides our own, we either stand in one place or slip backwards. We need to wake up to the truth of the matter..
http://www.facebook.com/byron.potter.39 Byron Potter

Religion is nothing but of man not of God. I grow up with religion all my life, then I gave it up. We dont have a perfect President, his makes choices we wont agree with. Having a Mormon on a faith base council in the White house is no different then any other religion.
- Vladimir
  
  If "religion is nothing but of man not of God" as you say, I'd like to know what your definition of religion is.
- UF Gator
  
  Understatement of the year: "We dont have a perfect President, his makes choices we wont agree with." ~ Byron Potter
Sama

How cool! The 'president' appoints a Mormon. If THAT isn't kissing up for votes, I don't know what is.
- http://www.monster-island.net/ kushibo
  
  What will this appointment do for electoral support that wouldn't be there already with the Senate Majority Leader already being a Mormon?
  
  It's interesting to see so much support among Zionica conservatives for a religious faith that most, prior to Mitt's nomination, saw as a potentially dangerous cult.
  - Bighoss
    
    The anti-Obama wingnuts are do deranged that they are more than willing to set aside their anti-Mormon biases in order to support "anybody but Obama." Even dangerous heretical cults are "better than that Muslim in the Oval Office." There are no rational limits to which these true believers will subscribe in their flaming zeal to defeat the President.
    - Vladimir
      
      Hurts a lot doesn't it, Bighoss. Your guy, Obama, is lower than a heretical cult amoung good Christian folk. Imagine what happens when Romney gets in and he governs like a good Christian. You'll be eating your own rhetoric for a year.
      - UF Gator
        
        I knew you would be here Vlad, and so grateful for that blessing.
      - Bighoss
        
        No pain here, Vlad. The way Romney is going, he will inevitably gaffe his way out of whatever chance he has to win the election.
      - UF Gator
        
        little pony, you are clueless about the Romneys
      - Vladimir
        
        UF Gator, Bighoss is in a tough place. He supports Obama whose polices are anti-Christian and yet he, himself, is a professing Christian. You are right that his attacks on others are generally unrestrained, especially the LDS Church, but his proclamation of the points of his faith are vague and usually absent from his posts. Knowing what I know about my church and what Bighoss thinks he knows about my church and what he has been accuracly told on this site about my church, I have concluded that Bighoss retains truth like a colander retains water.
      - UF Gator
        
        I asked for a word Vlad, but this will do: "I have concluded that Bighoss retains truth like a colander retains water."
        
        lol
        
        As an aside, I think that little pony is co–conspirator of Despe's. I am glad our church is apolitical don't you? They can't understand why one church could hold the likes of Harry Reid and Mitt Romney all at the same time. THEY ONLY THINK they know us.
      - Despeville
        
        Mormon Vlad the Clueless One, did you find that verse in the Bible "proving" Romeny's and yours ridiculous red neck caricature of history where Jews built Giza PLato Pyramids? I m waiting :0) Hahhahahahaahahahhahhaaahahahaa
      - Bighoss
        
        Your irrelevant critique is a purely defensive and entirely impotent effort on your part, because even when I fully support my assertions about the Mormon cult with documentation from Mormon sources, you reject them out of hand without even commenting on any of the details of what I post. You place yourself in a deep defensive corner when you do that, which is often.
      - UF Gator
        
        How dare you talk to a decent man that way: You are the impotent one little pony. don't think I don't remember how you and several others of your gang bombarded me with insults, and some still do due to my honesty regarding my religious persuasion when first I came into this forum. You are a bully, an expert on others for your nefarious purposes to no good end. In no way has this man returned your viciousness. He is in a vastly different class of behavior. Had you ever thought that might be because his religion IS BETTER THAN YOURS. Find the stats on that last comparison and you will never speak to him that way again. Already I know what you will find. Ha Ha you are in for some education.
      - Bighoss
        
        Vlad has consistently demonstrated incompetence in his attempted defense of his heretical belief system. For as long as he has been on this forum, he has resorted to nothing but unsubstantiated denials of factual information I have provided from Mormon sources. Vlad is of the type who believes that a fervent disagreement, unsupported by nothing except his opinion, constitutes a rebuttal. He obviously has had no training in the discipline of polemics, or he would know that such tactics are utterly worthless insofar as proving or substantively defending anything. You seem thus far to have largely adopted the same incompetent tactics.
      - Vladimir
        
        No gaffes by Romney, just scriptural ignorance of the liberals.
      - Despeville
        
        Hahhahahaahahaha yes Mormon quote me that verse from the Bible about Jews building those pyramids Hahhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
      - Vladimir
        
        There is no quote from the Bible about Jews building the pyramids. Just as that isn't a teaching of the Mormon church as YOU stated. You overreached trying to make Romney look bad. Better find another line of attack. This is another one of your fizzles.
      - Despeville
        
        'Vladimir • 16 minutes ago • parent−
        Despeville: There is no quote from the Bible about Jews building the pyramids"
        VERSUS:
        
        "Vladimir • 18 hours ago • parent−Can someone please help Despeville. He's never read Exodus."
        So when did you lie Mormon? Did you lie 18 hours ago or did you lie 16 minutes ago? Which one is it Vlad the Concrete Slab?
      - Despeville
        
        :0)
        
        Hahhahahaha
        
        After Mr. Netanyahu ordered both gifts removed from his residence and destroyed, Mr. Romney went on to address the Knesset, where he congratulated the Jewish people on building the pyramids.“Ann and I saw them during a cruise we took to the Middle East, and they were magnificent,” he told the stunned legislators. “As accomplishments go, building the pyramids isn’t up there with saving the Olympics, but you should still feel very, very proud. Nice job.”Sensing that his remarks were not going over as well as intended, Mr. Romney improvised: “No, really. Incredible building job you did. If any of you would like to work on our house in La Jolla, just say the word. Only thing is, you’ll have to work Saturdays.”
        
        Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/07/romneys-gaffes-worsen-in-israel.html#ixzz222YAfSkx
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        THE NEW YORKERONLINE ONLY
        THE BOROWITZ REPORTFake news and political satire.
        
        Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/07/romneys-gaffes-worsen-in-israel.html#ixzz222zXCQI4
      - Despeville
        
        :0) Finally one caught up…
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        No, as usual, I catch your mistakes.
      - Despeville
        
        You caught the play but it took you several hours too. I must say you are a bit brighter than a local dumb Mormons :0)
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Loon, I saw it as soon as I saw your idiotic post. What is humorous is your lame attempts to claim you always knew it was fake news.
        
        I have stated before, and this is this is good evidence of the fact, that you are simply incapable of admitting when you make a mistake.
      - Despeville
        
        Dodo,
        
        The news was only secondary to what local Mormons did with it and maintained and still maintain and that is that there is a Biblical record of Jews building those pyramids. You completely fail to recognize that. I know you are ignorant of the Bible but even you would know that is not the case but not them and particularly not Vlad the Word Impaler or his sycophantic prophetess of Kolob.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        There is no evidence of the Exodus, let alone that there was a huge Hebrew population living as slaves in Egypt. Myths on top of myths.
      - Despeville
        
        No amount of evidence would ever be sufficient for you Dodo and you know it too so cut flabbergasting yourself only…
      - Jeffrey Dixon
        
        There is a difference between no evidence and not enough evidence, loon.
      - Despeville
        
        You are a dull myth maker Dodo the flightless bird.
      - Jeffrey Dixon
        
        I am sure being shown wrong is dull and depressing for you, Humpty. I would have thought you would be used to it by now
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe: Ha, you mean Jeff caught it instead of you. I didn't read half of the gibberish you sent in the middle of the night..
      - Despeville
        
        I don't send you a zilch. Zionica does. Grasp a difference. I would not send an e-mail to you even if you would pay me $25 a pop.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        If Obama can get elected thinking there are 57 states in the union, anything is possible.
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpGH02DtIws
      - Despeville
        
        Yes, that is a good one :0)
      - Bighoss
        
        Get yourself educated.
        
        http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/06/20/987007/-The-Myth-of-the-Muslim-57-States
        
        http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp
        
        "It’s true that people mocked George W. Bush for his slips of the tongue, although Obama's “57 states” slip wouldn't even come close to making the top 25 Bushisms. But no Bush critic even went back three years and imagined some crazy Muslim plot was behind a slip of the tongue. This lunacy deserves a lot more media coverage, to expose just how far the wingnuts of the conservative movement have gone. "
      - UF Gator
        
        ".. wouldn't even come close to… " by your estimation, negates your argument : ( sorry
      - Jeffrey Dixon
        
        I did not claim Obama was making some Muslim reference. Merely that he screwed up and stated there were 57 states. Which is exactly what he did. You need to educate yourself on the issue. I even provided the video of him making the mistake.
      - Bighoss
        
        No, you asserted that Obama actually THOUGHT that there were 57 states in the union. Here is what you actually said: "
        If Obama can get elected thinking there are 57 states in the union, anything is possible." Stating something is one thing; actually thinking something is decidedly different. That difference is fully explicated in the information I provided. You need to stop playing word games.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        You are the one playing word games, hoss. Speech is a function of the brain. When he said it he thought it. Now whether he believed it is another issue.
      - UF Gator
        
        Jeff: How does bighoss's Christian religion cohere with his support of Obama, and admitted Muslim (using 57 to send a signal)? Isn't that a contradiction? How does he justify?
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        The odds of Obama actually being a Muslim are so low as to be non-existent. However, his failures as president are very evident. I cannot address why hoss is a Democrat and Obama supporter. There are millions in this country who are and it is baffling as to why.
      - Despeville
        
        Vlad your Mittens appears to be a real dummy. How did he make his billions really? According to him it was Jews who built pyramids :0) That is what he said to the whole Israeli Knesset. Read for yourself: http://nyr.kr/MrsTgA With leaders like that no wonder you believe in your sensational myths… :)
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe, it's beside the point who built the pyramids and you know it, stop trying to be the gadfly and lets hear some real analysis. Your guy Obama will be saying bye bye to his crown in November… and your rabid words fall on deaf ears. Stop wasting your time and please give us your scholarly Calvinist position on getting us out of this deep hole, whoever put us in it, I don't care.
        
        Don't tell us you don't know the story, the Pilgrims … their reasoning was based in this document: http://genevabible.com/history.php#banner2
      - Despeville
        
        Obama is not my "guy". If I point to a satan's child who Mittens is that does not mean that Obama is not. I know and I read and I cherish GB so thanks. With Mittens making a complete fool of himself by stating that Jews built pyramids you have a terrifying view into the mind of this man who is completely demonized by his satanic cult of Momonism and you leavenjellycals thinj that Moirmon is a better option than a crypto Muslim… Based on what?
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe, I know you cherish GB. I only said that because I know that you don't know Mitt Romney. I know you think you do, but you don't. Also, I brought it up because you have to understand what it's like when you use you religion as a saber. The people around you believe their religion is just as sacred. And please consider that I may have given as much or more thought to the religion that I now practice. The reason I chose it, is because it is the one where I felt the most inspiration to study Christ's example in my life.
        
        I thoroughly studied your religion and I love it too but it is like going to the university, it doesn't satisfy my need for that inspiration. I am reading Rev by Beale, very slowly but surely. I promised him I would while attending his lecture. I met him, shook his hand and I gazed over to his notebook from which he was lecturing, and it was the most amazing notes I have ever seen. His notes are like his book, if you get a chance to see one. Yet, I have no desire to become a member of any of the many Reformed faiths, including the most austere as the tradition to which you belong. I hope you understand this.
      - Despeville
        
        No I do not understand this if you are a Mormon for Mormonism is a polytheistic counter Biblical conjuration of men with false "Jesus" and false damning "Gospel".
      - UF Gator
        
        NOT
      - Despeville
        
        NOT WHAT?
      - UF Gator
        
        not the sacrilegious things you said about my religion
      - Vladimir
        
        UF Gator, you have to understand something about Despeville. He has no understanding of the Mormon church and only reads anti-Mormon literature and listens to Bighorse. He can't stand me because I know that his love, Calvinism, is loaded with man-made doctrine and have poked him with it in the past. Until he calls you a liar, etc or accuses you of not answering his questions, you haven't bested him.
        Early on, a bunch of us tried to set him straight on the teachings of the church, but he isn't the least bit humble and thinks he knows more than us "brain-washed" Mormons. I sat in church this morning and looked around at the other members. There was a policemen, a Harvard professor, several executives, retired folks and many from varying ethnic backgrounds.
        If the Mormon church can brain-wash this diverse group, Despeville better fear it, because that's quite a feat. So there, CIA.
      - Despeville
        
        Forget my "misunderstandings" your cult Vlad the Concrete Slab although you are never able to answer to any qustions about your politheistic cult when presented and supported from your own primary Mormon sources and you know it too liar. The issue is again: WHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAYS THAT JEWS BUILT PYRAMIDS? As your ignorant buffoon candidate for the President stated to the Israeli Parliament? WHERE? QUOTE IT??? And please do not mumble anything more about movies, carbon footprints or Calvinism. Answer the question liar…
        
        WHERE DOES THE BIBLE SAY THAT JEWS BUILT PYRAMIDS???
        
        Answer and support your own ridiculous fallacy liar…
      - UF Gator
        
        DESPE: HELLO… IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO BUILT THE PYRAMIDS!
      - Despeville
        
        IT DOES if the guy who think is such idiocy is a President of the United States!
      - UF Gator
        
        NOT
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        When so much of what you blather on about is your misunderstandings, it is near impossible to forget about them.
      - Despeville
        
        Dodo another inane rant of yours. I did not miss anything here.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Humpty, you miss so much of what you read, it is pathetic you even claim to be educated.
      - Despeville
        
        Dodo do you ever write anything of substance or for that to happen you have to plagiarize someone of the web as you always do?
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Humpty, can you ever read anything and actually grasp the point of the author? From your rantings, it would seem not.
      - Despeville
        
        Jeff go ahead copy and paste something… Don't make Google wait too much.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Humpty, please offer up more fake news. You will probably love this site.
        
        http://www.theonion.com/
      - Despeville
        
        Read that red neck junk yourself…
      - Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Humpty, you are the one who believed faked news was real. Which is of no surprise, as your reading and comprehension skills are virtually non-existent.
      - UF Gator
        
        : 0)
      - UF Gator
        
        Vlad: You are exactly right. Due to a large medical facility nearby, we have several medical doctors with their families among us "working class" folks. It is such a powerful, apolitical atmosphere of quiet joy in these meetings. I know about Despe's religion also, in which they place themselves above all others. I think that is why Joseph Smith and his family defected from that same religion. It was a central part of the atmosphere of the "new awakening" of religion in America. Read about the atmosphere then, Joseph Smith talks about it in his history, and tell me this is not the atmosphere we have here with Despe!. I know it is, This is the very thing we are up against with him. It is elitist to max. They have no respect for anyone else's religion and they spend more on research to prove their superiority than anything else. That is the sum total of Calvinism. They teach that one must show respect to others but it is a very superficial, token respect. They are literally cold and calculating, like an iron trap.
      - Despeville
        
        Hahahahaha and this explains the buffoonery of Romeny in Israel:
        
        "Mr. Romney’s troubles began in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to whom he presented gifts of a HoneyBaked ham and a wheel of cheddar cheese.
        After Mr. Netanyahu ordered both gifts removed from his residence and destroyed, Mr. Romney went on to address the Knesset, where he congratulated the Jewish people on building the pyramids.
        “Ann and I saw them during a cruise we took to the Middle East, and they were magnificent,” he told the stunned legislators. “As accomplishments go, building the pyramids isn’t up there with saving the Olympics, but you should still feel very, very proud. Nice job.”Sensing that his remarks were not going over as well as intended, Mr. Romney improvised: “No, really. Incredible building job you did. If any of you would like to work on our house in La Jolla, just say the word. Only thing is, you’ll have to work Saturdays.”
        
        Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/07/romneys-gaffes-worsen-in-israel.html#ixzz222fI9Isz
        
        Since that facility is so close perhaps you should check yourself for serious examinations? Seems like you have no life and are on this site 18 hours a day and night so you have time to take care of your psychosis.
      - UF Gator
        
        I am a scientist Despe and it is quite usual to stay up all night when I have some important things to do, which is all the time. I sleep when I need to do so. Thank you for your concern.
        
        So you are a New Yorker type of person. Careful, you may reveal more of your profile than you want to, we Mormons may use it to wash your brain.
      - Despeville
        
        You are pathetic. I read a lot of papers, including French conservative and liberal of which you never heard of… It is truly pathetic to see your xenophobia.
      - UF Gator
        
        I have no interest in what you read. what ever it is I am sure it is to the detriment of the people who suffer you on a daily basis. My family left France for a reason, and the influences there which interest you are likely the same. I knew you are a traitor to the goodness of the USA. It drips from the poison you produce here on Zionica.
      - Despeville
        
        Get that job will you? I wish you well with that.
      - UF Gator
        
        I don't accept your so-called well wishes, you have not shown yourself to be capable at the point
      - Despeville
        
        Too bad. You are demonized and no question about that but I wish you well and particularly in your profesional predicament. That is a problem with you cultists. Your cult eats you from inside out and everything is so tied to it that you are no longer able to perceive reality and real wishes from real people.
      - UF Gator
        
        As I said, critique is not your strong point Despe
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        He also has an issue with logic, rational thought and grammar.
      - UF Gator
        
        Thank you. I hate him
      - Despeville
        
        Listen Mrs.Mormon Prophetess. I will be off from here for a while again as I have more important and more fun things to do but I want you to know that the Lord and that is One Triune God of the Bible put you in my prayers and I am actually praying for your situation and will continue to do so.
      - UF Gator
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCw5NO75VbQ&feature=related with compliments 073012 another fatal blow to 5pointsdespise
      - UF Gator
        
        "…
        the Lord and that is One Triune God of the Bible put you in my prayers and I am actually praying for your situation and will continue to do so… " your prayers are meaningless.
      - Vladimir
        
        Despeville, are you saying that God puts names into your prayers? Don't you have anything to say about that? Is this another confusing doctrine of Calvinism or a typo?
      - UF Gator
        
        Vlad: Despeville is hopelessly blasphemous & illogical. This is another of his confusing statements & I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for clarification. I fully doubt his prayers will have any effect either. I hope you have a good FHE : ).
        Have you seen this from Jeff's website: http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/
        scroll down on right see Calvinism Critiqued.
      - UF Gator
        
        Stop pretending to know anything about my religion.
      - Despeville
        
        Too bad but that is so typical for the brainwashed cultists. They cannot differentiate between critique of their cult and normal human sympathy.
      - UF Gator
        
        AS I have said before:
        Critique is NOT what Despe does:
        
        cri·tique/kriˈtēk/
        
        Noun: A detailed analysis and assessment of something, esp. a literary, philosophical, or political theory.
        
        Verb: Evaluate (a theory or practice) in a detailed and analytical way: "the authors critique the methods used in research".
      - Vladimir
        
        To UF Gator, Despeville's been on this site for a long time and during that time his major contributions have been to call Mormons names and try and defend the confusing doctrines of Calvinism. But mainly call Mormons names. Oh yes, he also calls Jeff Dixon a lot of names, too. Don't want to omit any of his achievements. You can see by his repetition that he's running low on names.
      - UF Gator
        
        You have been right on the mark about him Valdimer! I have never heard him defend Calvinism but I am sure that he wouldn't win. It is a win-lose religion. I am talking about win-lose defined Covey's book on the Seven Habits.
      - UF Gator
        
        that's rich Vlad… thanks… unfortunately I thought he was just passing through … just wishful thinking.
      - UF Gator
        
        Vlad: Thank you for your confirming note. Indeed, I had begun to experience his "achievements" as you call them. Let us hope that unaware sheep wandering through here will get to these comments before they encounter similar dread.
      - UF Gator
        
        What you wish to be left alone in this forum. And you don't wish me well. You are a liar on top of all the rest.
      - Despeville
        
        And I have no intrest whatsoever in your shallow emotional pap you plaster on this site for 18 hours every day week after week. Get a life or get a dog
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        What it shows is that you are a loon incapable of reading.
        
        THE NEW YORKERONLINE ONLYTHE BOROWITZ REPORTFake news and political satire.
        
        Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/07/romneys-gaffes-worsen-in-israel.html#ixzz222zXCQI4
      - Despeville
        
        Dodo I couldn't pass by the opportunity to have a bit of fun with dumb Mormons anyway. Besides they truly believe that Jews built the pyramids :)
      - UF Gator
        
        Sure Despe, I wager you must use that excuse all the time. No doubt Vlad and Jeff and goodness knows who else are onto your devices.
      - Despeville
        
        You missed that too Mormon prophetess from Kolob :0)
      - Vladmir
        
        Not to rain on your parade, Despeville, but Mormons have nothing to do with anyone believing that the Jews built the pyramids. See my earlier post as to the source of that information.
      - Vladimir
        
        Leave it to Jeff to expose Despeville. Good catch, Jeff.
      - Despeville
        
        Hahahaha to bad Vlad that you did not see that you were being played. Anywat quote me something from the Bible about pyramids if you will please? :0)
      - Vladimir
        
        Despeville, you state you played me several times. From a review of your posts it appears you were duped by the article and now you are trying to cover up after Jeff Dixon clued you in. Great catch, Jeff.
      - Despeville
        
        Vlad too bad you have been played like a old cello… :0) but please tell me about those pyramid verses in the Bible… Have you found them in the end?
      - UF Gator
        
        : )
      - Despeville
        
        YEA, as good as you catching up those Jewish pyramid verses in the Bible of which you were so assured and so convinced… :0) Hahahahhahahahahah
      - Vladimir
        
        Despeville, you thought Mormonism was at fault for my thinking the Israelites built the pyramids. You missed the response that I suggested that you didn't go to Sunday school. That response was because I learned that the Israelites in bondage built the pyramids at a Baptist Bible summer camp in 1955. And since many Baptists back then were Calvinists, it was probably your sect that mislead me. It certainly wasn't taught to me since I joined the LDS church. There is probably other stuff, that I still believe from my protestant days, that hasn't been tested yet.
        '
        Sorry, Despeville, but you can't hang that false trivia on the Mormons. Looks like it originated a little closer to your home.
      - UF Gator
        
        You are absolutely right about the relation of Baptists and Calvinists in this country… Thank heavens that Joseph received the inspiration he did otherwise the whole nation would already be under their domination! That is what they — horse and despise – are motivated to do as we speak.
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe: I can see why you want me to go to sleep. This comment of yours is a total red herring. YOU MISSED THE POINT ENTIRELY of the point I was making to Vlad! And you know it. Divide and conquer is your modus operandi, the same as the adversary, your real "god" satan. Try, just once, to make a reasonable response to my comment to Vlad. It's not too late. Read James 1:5 to all the following scriptures that are conditional. That is your homework for tomorrow,
      - Despeville
        
        Yawn… What are you smoking anyway?
      - UF Gator
        
        You didn't answer my question.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCw5NO75VbQ&feature=related
      - Despeville
        
        Sam Harris can impress only bias and under educated folks like you with chip on the shoulder the size of grand canyon.
      - UF Gator
        
        just another fatal blow to 5pointsDespise
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Odd how he demolishes the Christian worldview so easily then.
      - UF Gator
        
        I (heart) this rebuttal, Jeff. Thank you. This strikes another fatal blow to the 5points.
      - UF Gator
        
        Thanks Jeff! 'Love this rebuttal!
      - UF Gator
        
        Vlad: Is Despeville using your name? I found a response from you in my mail that doesn't sound like you at all. Have a look at the conversations and let me know please. He will wage an all out WWIII with us I am sure he is desirable of that if not capable…
      - Despeville
        
        Yes I got his e-mail and ISP as I do yours… :) but seriously how about Romney's international buffoonery resulting from your Mormon brainwashing?
      - Vladimir
        
        UF Gator, I'm not sending emails, what are you talking about?
      - UF Gator
        
        I get announcements in my email when someone responds to me in the forum. I received one that I know must be from Despe. It was a rant he previously wrote to me here in the forum but the one I received … the exact text … had YOUR name on top. I already reported it to the webmaster that I knew it came from Despe. When Despe saw my note to you asking about it, he replied to me in the forum that he has you email address and my ISP … I think the comment disappeared b/c when I looked I couldn't find it… I will look for it again and copy/past if I find it.
      - Despeville
        
        :0) You wish. How clueless you Mormons really are. I mean you make Jeff looking like a really sharp guy. Maybe that is why he likes your pablum here.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Don't flatter yourself, Humpty. I do not agree with the Mormons either. But as usual, no one likes you. Pompous loons rarely get crowd support.
      - Despeville
        
        HAhahahah ouch… What am I to do know? Dodo you are really a pathetic miser if with your "friendships on line"… Tell the truth you missed me when I was away in EU. Did you not?
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        It was a welcome respite
      - UF Gator
        
        Like I said. Divide and conquer. A typical monarchist,
      - Vladimir
        
        Ouch!
      - UF Gator
        
        Vlad: there are reasonable issues of concern there but nothing demonic (like horse and despise.) I checked. It's the same kind as you see every Sunday school… sort of : )
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Atheist here, Vlad.
      - UF Gator
        
        but like I said, not demonic in the human sense that is…
      - UF Gator
        
        You tread on dangerous ground Despe; Jeff, unlike you, is a free thinker, as are a majority of Mormons. Vlad pointed this out earlier when he mentioned the mix of people in this congregation similarly to the one I attend. Ergo, you mistook Jeff for a Mormon. What does that tell you?
      - Despeville
        
        What does this tell me? It tells me that you are smoking something… :0)
      - UF Gator
        
        WRONG AS USUAL, but I am getting the bigger picture… your persona is coming in ever so more clearly
      - UF Gator
        
        another fatal blow to 5pointsdespise:
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCw5NO75VbQ&feature=related accessed 073012
      - Bighoss
        
        Hey Gator–Mormons are ANYTHING but "free thinkers." I have often encountered Mormons in discussions where they could not answer my challenges to their beliefs. Their standard and lame response is along the lines of "I prayed to God to tell me if Joseph Smith was a prophet of God and if the Book of Mormon is true." The "answer" they claimed to have received from God is a feeling in their hearts or a "burning in the bosom" confirming their beliefs. THAT kind of thing is not "free thinking" or thinking in any form; it is emotionalism and self-deception.
        It is also patently unscriptural. It is, in fact, a shabby, evasive device to avoid coming to terms with their erroneous doctrines when shown the truth.
      - UF Gator
        
        little pony: You just demonstrated your extreme ignorance AGAIN.
      - Bighoss
        
        And YOU have just demonstrated that you are one and the same kind of polemically incompetent discussant that Vlad and so many other Mormons are. You foolishly think that you are actually rebutting something that I posted merely by disagreeing with it or by asserting that I am ignorant or mistaken. And you do that without putting up a single fact or argument that in any way disproves anything I posted. Truly inept and pitiful!
      - UF Gator
        
        I am "onto" your game Desparate, You would like us to think we have a negative effect on Jeff. You "think" a lot of things but think about this: Vlad is a family man. Mitt is a family man. They are the ones standing in your way aren't they. We are not enough like your Calvinist EU are we, pompous loon?
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        It is actually you that makes me look sharp, Humpty. It is your lunacy and stupidity that is your biggest downfall.
      - UF Gator
        
        To "Desp"ise: Your religion cover "Desp"ise: You would like us to think we have a negative effect on your target. You "think" a lot of things but think about this: Vlad is a family man. Mitt is a family man.They are the ones you despise, no?. Or are they?
      - Despeville
        
        Dodo you got years in real schools and thousands of books to catch up…
        Too late, too late Dodo. http://bit.ly/Ou0BWS
      - UF Gator
        
        Jeff is eons ahead of your freakish degeneracy
      - Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Unlike you, I can grasp what i read, Humpty. So, what new fake news do you have to offer up today?
      - UF Gator
        
        Yes Jeff, well said. The contrast staggers the imagination
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe: I hate that I have such nasty feeling about another person, but you are the most lunatic of a human being ever
      - UF Gator
        
        Here is the response from Despeville to me when I wrote you to tell you about it:
        
        Despeville • 5 hours ago • parent
        
        UF Gator: Yes I got his e-mail and ISP as I do yours… :) but seriously how about Romney's international buffoonery resulting from your Mormon brainwashing?
        
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      - UF Gator
        
        the actual comment posted with you name was wiped out … I can't find it that is..
      - Mary Wood
        
        Vladimir, CTR: I ran across this response of yours again this morning… and how right you are that these people who have not a bit of respect for others, they call themselves the chosen, and believe imputation has earned them the right to treat people any way they want, no accountability … Calvinism plain and simple. And hell and the adversary will most assured reign on the Earth if they get their way.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        What president was your "guy"
      - UF Gator
        
        "Des" hates Mitt because he can't have him, (right, Despe? come clean :) )
        (NOW I KNOW WHY HE ALSO HATES MORMONS.)
      - UF Gator
        
        He sure acted like it, Jeff. I think he wants Mitt. But Mitt is a family man. so is Vlad. So is my Son. (Oh how wonderful is clarity)
      - UF Gator
        
        You can't have Mitt, can you Despe?
      - Despeville
        
        Another clueless myth collector. Show me one biblical proof for your shibboleth of "Jewish Pyramids" :0)
      - UF Gator
        
        I retract my former statement because according to recent scientific report, quote:
        "Then who built the Pyramids? It was the
        Egyptians who built the Pyramids. The Great Pyramid is dated with all the
        evidence, I'm telling you now, to 4,600 years, the reign of Khufu. The Great
        Pyramid of Khufu is one of 104 Pyramids in Egypt with superstructure, and there
        are 54 Pyramids with substructure. There is support that the builders of the
        Pyramids were Egyptians. They are not the Jews as has been said. They are not
        people from a lost civilization. They are not from outer space. They are Egyptian,
        and their skeletons are here and were examined by scholars and doctors. The
        race of all the people we found are completely supporting that they are
        Egyptians. end quote
        
        I am a scientist, there is an infinity of knowledge out there, and you can quote your biblical side bar notes 'til the cows come home… the proper way to proceed with understanding God's will is through complete reason, because Our Father is purely logical for which you have not demonstrated an affinity, over these six weeks that I have presented my case in zionica. You continue to be rude as ever and you will discover that you as well as anyone else on the earth — to your dismay – WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE.
        
        You should not overWORK your keyboard, you may learn that you have thereby yet another infraction. The angels are keeping tract of your rudeness.
      - Despeville
        
        You are not any scientist but a clueless pretender who keeps on changing nicks here. You stated that Jews built the pyramids along with another clueless Mormon Vlad only to withdraw it when pressed with facts and history. At least that is commendable for Vlad will be lying to his dying breath for pride rules him. Do observe that Romney's ignorant remarks were specifically made about Giza plato Pyramids as he just visited them. There is not one word in the Bible teaching that Jews built pyramids despite your fellow cultist false assertions and outright lying. You can take your threats to your father satan and should treat what I write to you as an act of kindness for you are being lead to a brutal slaughter and there will be wrath for you and wrath only for what you have done with true Jesus and true Gosepel.
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe: The best of scientists are people of humility who admit there is an infinity of things to know about the reality around us. No scientist is a know-it-all. that would be foolish, because – as Jeff has pointed out time and time again – new science is exposing new truths all the time. If they act that way then they are fraudulent. Yes, I recall learning that actually in an ART HISTORY class about the pyramids, just as Mitt said, and also in the art show that Egypt sent over years ago, King Tut, but upon consideration of your objection I did the right thing. I researched it and found what I think is a credible reference. That finding does not make idiots or geniuses… as you think Vlad and I… and you are respectively. That's ridiculous. Your fixation on Mormons is indicative of something else you are not telling. I am extremely proud to say WE are neither Reformed nor Armenian. Those are the cults if anything, and I would issue to you the same warning to beware of false teachings no matter how old and revered your book is. The tradition of the Mormons is actually a restoration of the true gospel as well. You are so kind to care that I realize the dangers. I hope that you are chosen as well, in spite of your treatment of us, which the angels are recording.
      - Despeville
        
        Utter rubbish and ambiguous gobbledygook talk. I have no fixation with your particular nefarious cult and in fact I was not here for a while and as I can see I did not miss anything. Do not change subjects. Romeny is a buffoon as he just demonstrated in Knesset. That does not make Obama any better but simply proves how Mormonism is a brainwashing cult. Do not expect me to read your loose nonsense as I did enough for next months. Get a life and get a clue.
      - UF Gator
        
        Despise said: " ..
        I have no fixation with your particular nefarious cult .. "
        
        UF Gator: NOT
      - UF Gator
        
        Pride is a grievous offence against everyone and you are rude to assign such a characteristic to Vlad. This only shows the heights you will go in your fake elitist superiority to hurt people. This is the symptom of your rotten 5 points, which believe me, I am not the only one to notice. The angels are recording your errors. against people.
      - Despeville
        
        :) Different strokes for different folks Mormon. You Mormons and atheists actually need to be shaken and hard. You are about to walk off the cliff and forever too. If someone is trying to grab your arm and pull you back is it that hurting you or act of kindness? You will find out soon enough. Please do not write me about any 5points for you have no earthly idea about them and how all they are is a shorthand for an answer to counter reformation.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        When the cliff is as imaginary as everything else you believe in, Humpty, it is your views on life that need to be shaken up.
      - Despeville
        
        Dodo you were already and you went through stuff that is why you hate God.
        Guess what? It is not over till it is over.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        I went through "stuff"? Is that your expert analysis?
      - Despeville
        
        Yea, like your divorce…
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Since I was an atheist before I got married, it hardly has anything to do with my view of religion.
      - Despeville
        
        There is a direct correlation between your pain past and present and your hatred of God past, present and future.
      - UF Gator
        
        Calvinist traps
      - Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Humpty, I have always been an Atheist. And I do not hate god. Just another topic you are incapable of understanding.
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe:
        Jeff, unlike you, has been saved by grace, that is the personal grace of the man you are totally missing due to your stubborn hard-heart and lack of focus on truth
        
        that's the "stuff" he has that you totally lack
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        No, you both merely want to believe that people can be saved by grace. That ability to understand the difference between want and fact is preventing you from seeing the reality of the world.
      - UF Gator
        
        Jeffery I will address this in the personal forum
      - Despeville
        
        Yawn, do not count me with your Mormon fan club which is even dumber than you are and that is dumb Dodo. Really dumb.
      - UF Gator
        
        I am not a part of "you both" as Jeff knows so well… that is a typo : )
      - Despeville
        
        You will find out soon enough blind neophyte.
      - UF Gator
        
        In your wildest dreams, don't you wish Jeff is blind! You are the blind one.
        Heal yourself, 5pointsDespise, I don't need or want your evil "prayers".
      - UF Gator
        
        It's enough for me to know what your day to day treatment of people and that IS the outcome of your 5points… in science as in life it is the outcome that counts. Don't preach to me about your deeper, more profound meaning that only you can understand. My five year old students can detect evil when they see it, so can I.
      - Vladimir
        
        Despeville said, "… for Vlad will be lying to his dying breath for pride rules him." Is this really you Despeville or did you leave your computer unattended.
        Everyone knows that the Israelites built the pyramids. Didn't you watch Cecil B. Demille's, "The Ten Commandants". Some of those slaves were from the tribe of Judah. And you thought Romney learned that because the Mormon church treaches that. Your hatred of the Mormon church clouds your thinking and makes your posts about it undependable.
        Really, Despeville, you need to get out more often and relax at a good movie.
      - Despeville
        
        "
        Everyone knows that the Israelites built the pyramids." Not everyone but cultist morons like you and your buffoon who runs for the presidency of this poor country. So now the movie is the proof? Hhahahahahhahahahahahah Ahahahahahhahahahaahah what a pathetic stupidity on a public display. You are incredibly stupid and ignorant Vlad and sadly your buffoon is too as brainwashed by your cult. I mean only a geopolitical moron would speak and act this way:
        
        "After Mr. Netanyahu ordered both gifts removed from his residence and destroyed, Mr. Romney went on to address the Knesset, where he congratulated the Jewish people on building the pyramids.
        “Ann and I saw them during a cruise we took to the Middle East, and they were magnificent,” he told the stunned legislators. “As accomplishments go, building the pyramids isn’t up there with saving the Olympics, but you should still feel very, very proud. Nice job.”Sensing that his remarks were not going over as well as intended, Mr. Romney improvised: “No, really. Incredible building job you did. If any of you would like to work on our house in La Jolla, just say the word. Only thing is, you’ll have to work Saturdays.”
        Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/07/romneys-gaffes-worsen-in-israel.html#ixzz222YAfSkx
      - meg903
        
        Meg-
        Vladimir, you and Mary should have learned by now, you can't get through to someone who is of Satan. They will spew and spew until their last breath.This guy Despeville, is so far out of it, he doesn't know the truth from a lie. So just brush him off as someone who is braindead. He wants to appear as smart, but from his post, he is an idiot.
      - Mary Wood
        
        It is very nice to know that someone else recognizes that Despeville, as others on this forum, are so inclined to disparage good people like the Mormons. Thank you for your concern. Mormons, however, are not diminished by such advances. Yet, since I am not priesthood holder, which I agree women cannot be, I will be content to stand aside and not interfere too much while Vladimir handles the adversary.
      - UF Gator
        
        I have retracted my retraction
      - Vladmir
        
        The Jews DID build the pyramids, along with the other tribes. What Sunday school class did you attend, Despeville?
      - Despeville
        
        Hhahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahaha Looks like dumbness is the trait of Mormons. Do please share your source for this red neck joke.
      - Vladimir
        
        Can someone please help Despeville. He's never read Exodus.
      - Despeville
        
        Mormon quote me from Exodus (or any part of the Bible for that matter) a passage indicating that Jews were in fact building the pyramids… :0) Go ahead foolish man and find it… It is not there. You are a fraud and so is Mormon cult as documented in your and Romeny's ignorance.
      - UF Gator
        
        What's the big deal Despe?.
      - Vladimir
        
        Despeville, you made a definite statement that Mitt was a dummy because he stated that the Jews build the pyramids. Yet you cannot point to anything that contradicts what he said. And there is ample evidence that he is right! Rames II was building pyramids and the Israelites were pressed into slavery building something at the same time. You are on the losing end of this one, but no one will expect an apology from the all knowing and arrogant Despeville.
      - Despeville
        
        Mormon you are really a moron. Again QUOTE the scriptures indicating that Jews built the pyramids, ANY pyramids and not only Giza Plato Pyramids as asserted by your buffoon fellow cultist Romney. You are changing your tune moron Mormon from first asserting that this joke of a assertion is in the Bible to now reversing it and asking me to provide a counter proof for moronic statement by buffoon Romney. Giza Plato Pyramids stood for about 1000 to 500 (depending on the expertise used) years already when Triune God ordered Abram to leave Haran yet you are so incredibly dumb and ignorant and will lie to your teeth to support your buffoon of a Mormon for a President of this country. What a shame you are and what a lying seed of satan too. Provide this "ample evidence" from the Bible cultist. Go ahead show it :0) Of course you cannot so lying and really dumb too is the only option left for you.
      - Annie
        
        If this is a Christian speaking, er, er writing comments, I will pass on being a Christian but I do not believe a Christian can write such hateful thing..You can agree to disagree without being so hateful.
      - Despeville
        
        You can pass on whatever you want and keep your emotional states to yourself. They are not a standard for anything.There is no hatred on my part. Bold and sharp critique and when needed mockery yes.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Do not forget passing off fake news as fact either, Humpty.
      - UF Gator
        
        NOT… crtitque is not what Despe doescritique, defined
        Noun:A detailed analysis and assessment of something, esp. a literary, philosophical, or political theory.Verb:Evaluate (a theory or practice) in a detailed and analytical way: "the authors critique the methods used in research".
        
        accessed 072912: https://www.google.com/search?sugexp=chrome,mod=5&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=epitome+define
      - Annie
        
        I believe, Dessie that might be a good thing for me, you and some of the others that write, post, and then think, why did I write such a mean, hateful post. We know GOD is watching everything we do or say. It is a good thing that we can repent but only if we are sorry for the mean thing we said or wrote. HE knows if we are pretending!!!
      - UF Gator
        
        Et tu, Despise? You can also keep your emotional statements to yourself. If you did you would look like a blow fish, you are so full of them.
      - Bighoss
        
        The New Yorker piece was a satire. Romney did not say those things and he most certainly did not attempt to make a deposit at the West Bank. Vlad didn't catch on to that either, hence his lame and ludicrous attempt to attribute the pyramids to the efforts of Israelites.
      - Despeville
        
        Yes "help me" moronic Mormon. Go ahead show me that from Exodus or in fact from anywhere in the Bible…. :0) Somehow you are late on the delivery of that proof :0) Hahahahha
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Does the above comment sound like it was written by a Christian??Just asking since he claims Christianity!!
      - Despeville
        
        Coming from you who affirms Mormonism and JWs as Christians and ther "gods" as the same and true Triune God of the Bible is a real complement. Thank you whole heartily dear heretic.
      - Annie
        
        Evermyrtle, Did you really believe that Mormons and JW's are Christians? I do not remember you ever saying that. As for me, I don't think it is up to us to declare anyone Christin or unChristian.This decision should be left up to GOD.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Since the article you quote from is made up news, what is evident is your willingness to believe nonsense is truth.
      - UF Gator
        
        I hear a death knell for the 5points
      - Despeville
        
        Yawn
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        They never had any life.
      - UF Gator
        
        found on
        http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com accessed 073012
        http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/openhse/calvinism.html
      - Despeville
        
        How dull you are Dodo… You caught up hours after to realize that I had Mormons in they own ignorance.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        No, what is evident is that you once again screwed up and refuse to acknowledge it.
      - Despeville
        
        Sure Gonads expert :0)
      - Jeffrey Dixon
        
        I freely admit to my mistakes, Humpty. Something your ego will never permit.
      - UF Gator
        
        Vladimir: "Hurts a lot doesn't it, Bighoss. Your guy, Obama, is lower than a heretical cult among good Christian folk. Imagine what happens when Romney gets in and he governs like a good Christian. You'll be eating your own rhetoric for a year."
        
        Do you find it rather odd the little pony never lets on about his religious beliefs while he initiates and perpetuates scathing attacks at others on both religious and political grounds? There's a word for that but it escapes me.
    - Despeville
      
      @Hoss,
      I am not for NObama but this guy Mittens is some kind of a real dummy. According to him Jews built pyramids… :0) Read about it here from http://nyr.kr/MrsTgA
      - whynot
        
        I do not like this Uncle Sam,
        
        I do not like his health care scam.
        
        I do not like these dirty crooks,
        
        or how they lie and cook the books.
        
        I do not like when Congress steals,
        
        I do not like their secret deals.
        
        I do not like ex-speaker Nan ,
        
        I do not like this 'YES, WE CAN!'
        
        I do not like this spending spree —
        
        I'm smart;
        I know that nothing's free.
        
        I do not like your smug replies,
        
        when we
        complain about your lies.
        
        I do not like this kind of hope.
        
        I do not like it —
        nope, nope, nope!
      - Despeville
        
        Me either…
      - Vladimir
        
        How embarrassing for you, Despeville. The Israelites were treated like slaves by the Pharaods and forced to build the pyramids. How did you not know that? "Let my people go" was their prayer and the Lord sent Moses.
      - Despeville
        
        Mormon cultist, just because the Jews were slaves it does not mean they were the only slaves in Egyptian empire nor does it mean that they were en masse dedicated to one single task like your hypothetical building of pyramids. You have ZERO proof for that only your mythology of your cult. Cut your irrational mumbling Vad this is not your temple and we did not check our brains in the coat room. Your cult devastated your mind…
      - Vladimir
        
        Do I detect some backtracking there, Despeville. Go ahead and say it, "The Jews didn't build the pyramids". I want in on record that you don't know your Biblical history.
      - Despeville
        
        Clueless mormon, you detect only your imaginations. The Scriptures i.e. Holy Bible DOES NOT TEACH that Jews were building the pyramids. There is no word or sentence about that. Nada. Zero. NOTHING…You are utterly ignorant Vlad. Furthermore, Jews could not possibly built Giza Pyramids (and about those Romney's clueless remark was made) as they are dated for 3000 years plus BC while Jewish Exodus most commonly is dated for 1450 BC with Jews being there for about 400 years that gives a year of their entrance for around 1800 BC… The Jews could not possibly built the pyramids for they were not there and more importantly there is not a WORD in the Bible teaching that. Romney is deluded and ignorant and so are you Vlad as proven. Q.E.D.
      - UF Gator
        
        Relax Despe, don't overWORK your keyboard
      - Despeville
        
        More inane, useless substance devoid Mormon mumbling. Can you help your fellow Mormon is his imbecilic predicament and find him a verse in the Bible with Jews building those pyramids? :0)
      - UF Gator
        
        Vlad will accept science I am sure, but he will only need to see references, like you have not asked for, and I will have to dig it out for him. I remind you that science is not absolute either. So do something you rarely do and keep an open mind. You don't know it all, so stop acting like it. I am delighted your very formidable foe in these forums – I needn't mention his name – has helped to expose your extreme rudeness which the angels are recording. Maybe you will consider sharing more of your brilliant scholarship but in a manner becoming a scholar as your religious tradition dictates now that you have been exposed. Please, I remind you to no longer abuse the keyboard by overWORKing and remember to keep the Sabbath holy.
      - Despeville
        
        Vlad is a clueless pretentious neophyte as you are too. I am waiting for this asserted by him biblical proof as to Jews building pyramids in Egypt as per buffoon like comments by Romney in Israeli parliament yesterday. Vlad is tellingly silent about it now after he realize what a massive moron he and Romeny is in this regard… :0) Can you help him?
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe: my focus is upon you at the moment to help you realize you are NOT doing GOOD WORKS and in the realm of your elitist religion worshiping Calvin, this is a very serious infraction… don't worry about Vlad, he has a grip on choosing the right. But thank you for your concern.
      - Despeville
        
        I am not buying your diversion from dumbness of buffoon Romney and you have no first clue about what you mumbling about so beat it Wormwood.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Humpty, the bible also makes no reference to the
        Aztecs building pyramids either. So, in your delusional mindset, they must not actually exist.
      - Annie
        
        This has got to be the old liberal jeffy, for a while I wondered but there, "ain't no other way," it's him.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        I can how my using my full name threw you for a loop, Annie.
      - Despeville
        
        Deranged Atheist yet buffoon Romeny did not assert that in front of the whole Israeli Knesset. A "minor" detail that escaped your deluded and illogical mind. Try to track sometimes Dodo. How about that buffoon sending a ham as a gift to Netanyahu… :) I mean how stupid and insensitive you have to be to do such a thing to a Jew on official visit to Israel? And then this pablum about "Jewish pyramids" :0) Hahahahahhahahahaah I mean if this guy gets elected he will make Dubya look like a real genius. The worst thing is that Obamaton is not any compelling alternative either.
        
        "Mr. Romney’s troubles began in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to whom he presented gifts of a HoneyBaked ham and a wheel of cheddar cheese."
        
        Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/07/romneys-gaffes-worsen-in-israel.html#ixzz222Zc2un3
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Humpty, you are an amazing delusional loon. I did not respond about Romney's comments, I responded about yours. If you will only accept information that is found in the bible, you are showing how idiotic your truly are.
      - Despeville
        
        Romney is secondary now to Mormon delusions as evidenced here. You are an incredible moron to discard the text that is at the foundation of western civilization and culture.
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe: WRONG AGAIN. And while I have the strength the text you describe as the foundation of western civilization and culture will not rise to the preeminence you wish, for the man who knew you from the study at his mother's knee in New England, alas, knew you and his efforts will not be dashed. You are in the church of the deceiver and you don't even know it. You are inconsolable, having not budged an iota in the direction of good, though good people have tried to help you.
        
        James 1:5 If you lack wisdom… (just note the conditions that must be present, before you will get any, so that wouldn't be you, could it? Just be sure to read it in the most correct bible, KJV only)
      - Despeville
        
        Hogwash.
      - UF Gator
        
        NOT
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        That does seem to be your favorite beverage.
      - UF Gator
        
        You postings are the epitome of "hogwash"
        You NEVER hear what people have to say,
        so your responses are pure nonsense
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        People following the bible almost destroyed western civilization, you loon.
      - Annie
        
        This is very interesting, as I am a devout Bible believer. I would very much know where you get this info where Bible believers had something to do with near destruction of the western civilization?? I would like to know when this occurred, I would like the entire package, as I hate to get little bits and pieces. .
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        1000 Years of Carnage & Barbarity in the name of Christ
        http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm
      - Despeville
        
        Hahahahahhaha what a moron you truly are.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Oh no, a pompous loon does not agree with me. Care to offer more fake news up as fact?
      - Despeville
        
        Yes, how but you are too slow to catch it Dodo…
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Humpty, as usual, you have an unwarranted view of your own intelligence. But I am glad to see you agree you offer up fake news as fact, loon.
      - Despeville
        
        Hogwash Dodo. All you got is a smelly hogwash and you are intellectually impotent.
      - Despeville
        
        He does not get iit from anywhere. Guy is after serious issues in his life and he blames God for it and that is why he hates Him too. Totally irrational and oblivious to much history and culture.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Yet, I continue to offer rational answers.
      - Despeville
        
        You continue to offer nothing but useless, irrational garbage and if there is any shred of rationality in it it is plagiarized from the net and old as the net too.
      - Despeville
        
        You are as ignorant as ever for closed minds do not learn. What almost destroyed it and it will is godlessness of which you are part.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Christians are as godless as any other group since there are no gods.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        lol. You posted this and did not notice this little tidbit at the top of the article? You truly are a loon.
        
        THE NEW YORKERONLINE ONLYTHE BOROWITZ REPORFake news and political satire.
        
        Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/07/romneys-gaffes-worsen-in-israel.html#ixzz222yhpusq
      - Despeville
        
        Dodo could't pass the opportunity to have fun with Mormons here and it took you a while to catch up too I see. Besides Mitt the Twit is a real twit as they call him in UK and a Wazzock too…
        http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/johncassidy/2012/07/mitt-the-twit-in-london.html
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Humpty, you can try to duck and dodge, but you posted the information because you thought it was real.
        
        From another post of yours.
        Despeville • 4 hours ago • parent−
        Jeffrey Dixon: Deranged Atheist yet buffoon Romeny did not assert that in front of the whole Israeli Knesset. A "minor" detail that escaped your deluded and illogical mind. Try to track sometimes Dodo. How about that buffoon sending a ham as a gift to Netanyahu… :) I mean how stupid and insensitive you have to be to do such a thing to a Jew on official visit to Israel?The bigger question is how someone as stupid as you believes he is actually offering anything of value when he posts such nonsense.
      - Despeville
        
        Dodo you are as clueless as usual and your hatred neutered your mind completely from any sharpness.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        It is your delusional and pompous attitude that continually shows just how stupid you truly are.
      - Despeville
        
        Go and copy and paste something Dodo. At least it will make more sense than your inane ramblings.
      - Despeville
        
        Dodo your "gonads" must be not so sharp any more :0) Have you read any good comic books lately?
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        I read your posts. That is basically the same thing.
      - UF Gator
        
        persona getting more clear (are you listening Zionica webmasters?)
      - UF Gator
        
        …
      - UF Gator
        
        Jeff: once again, thank you
      - Despeville
        
        I did Dodo. I was having bit of fun with clueless Mormons and waiting when will they catch up. They never did.
      - Vladimir
        
        Sorry, Despeville, but I'll go the Cecil B. Demille before I believe anything you say. You've been wrong too much. For instance, you said Romney got that from Mormon teaching. Sorry, but you are wrong. Obviously you are too young to have seen "The Ten Commandants".
      - UF Gator
        
        I defer to Vlad's reference / proof
        I did see The Ten Commandments, Q.E.D.
      - Despeville
        
        Vlad the Concrete Slab, you can go with 1956 Hollywood flick as that matches your phantasmagoria and your pretentious religious aspirations. I will go with 3700 year old account from the Word of God that debunks your and Romeny's buffoonery, biblical illiteracy and red neck xenophobia. Congratulations you have been brainwashed!
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe, As I have said: I HAVE BEEN TO CLASSES AT YOUR REFORMED SEMINARIES: The only thing absolute about your religion are the 5 points … that's it!!! Just because you have those 5 absolute things, DOES NOT mean you know it all. I have never heard any lecturer act like an expert on all things, repeatedly deriding other religions as you do as though you are an expert. NOT EVEN THE DOCTRINE of being chosen by God gives you such ridiculous superiority over others to deride their faith, because anyone of us could be chosen by God, and one doesn't need the bible or need ever heard of your leader to be one of the chosen, so forget that argument. Remember the twins in the bible? I think the Father will chose Jeff over you in a heartbeat.
      - Vladimir
        
        UF Gator, a while ago we played a game where you got points for being called names by Despeville. Jeff Dixon won. Jeff got more points because Despeville was more creative with what he called Jeff. Despeville kept repeating the same epithets he called me and they didn't count as much. It was fun.
      - Despeville
        
        Sure lets just ignore that the candidate for the Presidency of United States is a complete geopolitical moron who cannot do otherwise but perform international faux pas and shock the world with his utter dumbness and ignorance. This is precious and clear result of cultist brainwashing of this guy so reminiscent of your incredible sharpness of a concrete slab Vlad:
        
        "Mr. Romney’s troubles began in a meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, to whom he presented gifts of a HoneyBaked ham and a wheel of cheddar cheese.After Mr. Netanyahu ordered both gifts removed from his residence and destroyed, Mr. Romney went on to address the Knesset, where he congratulated the Jewish people on building the pyramids.“Ann and I saw them during a cruise we took to the Middle East, and they were magnificent,” he told the stunned legislators. “As accomplishments go, building the pyramids isn’t up there with saving the Olympics, but you should still feel very, very proud. Nice job.”Sensing that his remarks were not going over as well as intended, Mr. Romney improvised: “No, really. Incredible building job you did. If any of you would like to work on our house in La Jolla, just say the word. Only thing is, you’ll have to work Saturdays.”
        
        Read more http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/07/romneys-gaffes-worsen-in-israel.html#ixzz222fI9Isz
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        THE NEW YORKERONLINE ONLY
        THE BOROWITZ REPORTFake news and political satire
        
        http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/borowitzreport/2012/07/romneys-gaffes-worsen-in-israel.html#ixzz222zXCQI4
      - Despeville
        
        Gee, finally Dodo you have caught up but not Vlad the Slab or his Mormon prophetess from mental asylum.
      - UF Gator
        
        WRONG AGAIN DESPEVILLE
      - Despeville
        
        Yea, like your Mormon sightings of Jews building pyramids in the Bible right? ;0)
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe: RIGHT, that's right, you were wrong about that too : ) things are looking up for you Despe
      - UF Gator
        
        Mitt has less than a Hollywood persona, will always flub his lines, and will never party with the "in" party crowd. Yet, his talents lie where it counts, he has the experience to work and get the economy in shape for our kids and he is a family man.
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Mitt makes mistakes, but what presidential candidate does not? But do not be upset over faked mistakes.
      - UF Gator
        
        Thank you sooooooooooo much Vlad. I needed that immensely LOL
      - Despeville
        
        What you need is the Gospel and True Jesus plus job and not your polytheistic maceration also known as Mormonism.
      - UF Gator
        
        I noticed you all had names for Despe. Is there no hope for him? LOL
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        Showing Humpty as the pompous loon he is will never stop being fun.
      - Despeville
        
        Yawn… You are getting boring Dodo. You are likely spent for the night just as your Mormon clap trapping club. It was fun for a while today but it is unfortunately over.
      - UF Gator
        
        The highlight of the evening was when Despe claimed he practices criticism… his word "critique" … in this forum
      - Despeville
        
        Dodo you would not know what fun is and you did not have one in years now…
      - UF Gator
        
        Not by your desperate, despicable definition of fun, 5pointsDespise. And dream on, 5ptsDespe, he never will.
      - Despeville
        
        Only in your polytheistic maceration…
      - UF Gator
        
        You never heard R. C. on the subject of Chosen , I take it.
      - Despeville
        
        HAhahah sure prophetess. Why don't you prophesy something for yourself?
      - http://www.facebook.com/jeffrey.dixon.509 Jeffrey Dixon
        
        What a shock, Humpty making a reference to wine making. What bottle are you on now?
      - Despeville
        
        And in the end under educated red neck from dark woods can smear only :0) So typical. What a junk you plaster here Dixon. Looks like I did not miss a thing when I was away.
      - UF Gator
        
        More philosophical critique of the Calvinist variety!
      - UF Gator
        
        Is this you idea of critique?
      - Despeville
        
        Clueless Mormon, show me one sentence from the entire Scriptures (and that is Bible only) showing that… Go ahead clueless cultist. Produce it… I am waiting. Hhahahahahahahhahahahahahahhaahahahah :0)
      - UF Gator
        
        You are jealous of Mitt Romney. That is crystal clear.
      - Despeville
        
        Hahhahahahahahahahahahha Gee what a shocker Hahhahahahahahahahah. I would not want to know what is not "clear" for you…
      - UF Gator
        
        Despe, you simply can't know, so I am not surprised you don't want to know.
      - Despeville
        
        Rubbish. You have no substance only your vacuous gobbledygook talk. So typical for myth fans also known as Mormons.
      - Despeville
        
        What a usless and inane hogwash but then it only reflects what you are brainwashed with – Mormonism.
      - UF Gator
        
        I am soooooooooooooooo used to this rudeness you can't imagine, but we have been warned that we would have to suffer this, so I accept it as I know the Father has Chosen me and not you.
      - Despeville
        
        Yes, your father satan owns you and yanks his chain all the way to hell where you are going unless True God will have mercy on you.
      - Despeville
        
        You are clueless lunatic with too much time on your hands and too many demons passing through your poor head.
      - UF Gator
        
        Yours is no less a myth
      - UF Gator
        
        I am very clear on the 5 points. How about that Despe? I hope that doesn't cause you to overWORK your keyboard again.
      - Bighoss
        
        Did you not notice the heading of that piece? "Fake news and political satire."
      - UF Gator
        
        Jeff pointed this out already and he and Despeville have thoroughly discussed it on this page.
    - whynot
      
      You want a rattle snake in the crib or a skunk….same thing; I'll take the skunk…smell to high heaven but is fairly harmless!!!
Walt

It greives me to think our Presidents have a faithbased council as any other religion except for Christianity has placed their faith in the doctrine of deamons.
- UF Gator
  
  keywords I want to remind you: LAND, SBC
Evermyrtle

Still up to his tricks, Who does he think he is fooling/
Truthseeker

then why is obama such a racist and such a lier. He is pitiful and such a joke with all his muslim communist radical crap.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_JT6BSHXURPK5Z2JHVQJLXUULSE Preobrazensky

Obama is a true disciple of his mentor Saul Alinsky! Never pass up an opportunity to score brownie points! Talk about opportunism. He also signed a piece of legislation giving Israel aid the other day! Coincidence?????
Devasahayam

Let me guess — Snow came with a stack of recommendations from Dirty Harridan Reid, to "kill two birds with one stone"!
- UF Gator
  
  THAT IS a worrisome possibility
- UF Gator
  
  Thankfully, Reid is in a region unto his own in the Union halls of Las Vegas casinos
MontiR

Gawd how petty. This is NOTHING but pandering.
Evermyrtle

He won't miss a trick, will he?
UF Gator

Obama isn't stupid evidenced by the fact he made an extremely good choice. Still this does not turn the immense tide of gross mistakes Obama has made to disparage this country.
The Watchman

This president is the most pathetic Communist/Progressive/Marxist Muslim sympathizer on the face of the earht. Anyone not see this one coming???
http://www.facebook.com/people/David-B-Severy/557985964 David B Severy

politics at it's saccharin best…
sherrywood

I am a Mormon and I wonder what Oboma is trying to do now get the Mormon vote as most Mormons I know are not socialist like Oboma is. And Mormons are Christians and do look forward to the Second Coming of Jesus Christ who is the Son of the Living God,and our Savior. With all the wickedness in this world there are still good people and I believe Jesus is waiting till God the Father says enough and return and Jesus will obey His Father.
- UF Gator
  
  Sherrywood: Thank you sincerely for your testimony of Jesus Christ and His one true church. I am a member.
  - Despeville
    
    Gee really as if we would not know by your Mormon rambling… You are in the heart of darkness.
    - UF Gator
      
      Not when I am proximal to another of true faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ, our Savior
    - UF Gator
      
      We like to support our fellow Christians Despe
- Despeville
  
  Mormons are not Christians but a polytheistic soul deadly cult with fake "Jesus" and knock off of a "Gospel" damns and damns only. Who do you think are you fooling besides yourself only?
  - UF Gator
    
    NOT
Mexseiko

Reeks of hypocrisy.
Zardos

How nice of him. (sarcasm !!)
mallen11

Actually, Steven Snow should have turned -0 down flat. I doubt he will be given the chance to do things the "right" way anyway. This is just a stunt on -0's part. This is where he is transparent.
ONTIME

I can't ever remember hiring my own personal saboteur but he will be more closely watched than the muslim, after all christians of any degree are suspect to this regime, they are right up there with us redneck terrorist patriots(Americans)…..
evermyrtle

Who does he think he is fooling??
Vladimir

To Despeville, glad to see you back in your usual form. However, I'm worried that the new Zionica rules may get you tossed and that would be a shame. Perhaps you can be wrong with a little less "zeal". Or disguise your remarks better so as "to maintain a courteous and useful public environment where we can engage in reasonable discourse". Although I enjoy your childish rants, filled with name calling and derogatory superlatives, I am afraid Zionica may prefer more mature postings.
- Bighoss
  
  If Zionica rules prohibited undocumented, unsubstantiated personal opinion being transparently disguised as real dialogue, then you, Vlad, would be excommunicated in a trice.
  - UF Gator
    
    Vlad said "new rules" .. that would make him a role model for others in my experience in this forum.
    - Bighoss
      
      Vlad is no role model except perhaps for those who believe that their unsupported opinions should be taken as gospel.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Helen-Jenkins/100000180912271 Helen Jenkins

POTUS is more transparent than glass. If he were not the epitome of NARCISSISM, he would be ashamed of some of the dirty political tricks he 'attempts' to play. As a product of Affirmative Action, he has been conditioned to believe he is brilliant [essential component]. One can not use amount of drugs he 'fesses up' to in "Dreams of My Father" and "Audacity of Hope", be paraded about [rarely in class] en route to his role as Community Organizer-aka- Chicago thug in well-made suit,-aka-con artist. So, POTUS still has to learn there is a BIG difference in having a ghetto residence's electricity turned back on [earning votes] and a last minute, much too obvious political ploy-from a Muslim-appointing a Mormon to -hopefully-get 'one up' on his Mormon opponent. Being a narcissist, he can't imagine WE THE PEOPLE having the ability to see it for what it is-ploy to get himself re-elected. GOOD LUCK with that! November 2012 elections can't come soon enough. WE THE PEOPLE have had all the embarrassment from this POTUS WE can bear. Keep the faith and the conversation going.
- Bighoss
  
  Keep a good stock of crying towels available, Helen. You will need them after November.
Ross

I can't believe the hate and ignorance of some of these so-called "Christians". Jesus would have never behaved like these judgemental hate-mongers. Jesus told us NOT to judge, and yet some of you fine "christians" defy his teachings. Shame on you. You will be held accountable.
Myrtle

As in the fairy tale it is getting curioser and curioser. Why would Obama appoint a Mormon if very curious indeed. This really is the 65 dollar question that everybody will be asking.
Realist

Why is this news? Don't you people have anything better to do that bicker about small religious differences.