Comments on: Atheist Group Forces City to Remove Cross From Logo

By: Jeffrey Dixon

Jeffrey Dixon — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 02:31:00 +0000

First off, Chris is not gay. Second, Christians did not give anyone any rights. Those were afforded by Americans to other Americans regardless of their political or religious views.

By: Esther

Esther — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:56:00 +0000

You're welcome. I respect your beliefs Key and I don't mean to diminish them in any way, as no one person should diminish another's. I sent the link to you because it is pointing out historical fact, in fact. I meant "opinion" in the legal sense of the term. I have an attorney in the family,is where that comes from, I guess. Yes it is a recognition that others have a different opinion, in terms of debate, but I guess in normal language I should have said your stance? That may get me deeper in trouble. I am trying to be not judgmental of the side of the issue you take, In other words, I know the historical point of view you take. I didn't mean it in any argumentative way, is the point. .

By: keyboardshark

keyboardshark — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 01:44:00 +0000

You can call it my "opinion" if you wish, but it is an 'opinion' based on historical facts. At any rate, thanks for the link.

By: Esther

Esther — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 00:38:00 +0000

I thought you would appreciate that point of view, having read your opinion several times.

By: keyboardshark

keyboardshark — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 00:32:00 +0000

Good article, Esther. Even though the Constitution is in general a secular document, since it is legal document, this shows that there are still references to God sprinkled about in it. Typically we would not expect ordinary legal documents to reference God, so the fact that there are some references in the Constitution lends credence to the historical fact that the USA was founded primarily by men who had a belief (or at least a respect for) the Bible as the Word of God.

By: Esther

Esther — Sun, 09 Sep 2012 07:12:00 +0000

I found this Key:
http://www.dakotavoice.com/2007/07/the-us-constitution-not-so-secular/

By: keyboardshark

keyboardshark — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:44:00 +0000

The link above was more than the 1930's friezes. Please read further. If that was not enough, try this web page:

http://dakotavoice.com/2010/09/americas-christian-heritage-in-the-u-s-capitol/

By: Esther

Esther — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 01:38:00 +0000

Jeffrey: It seems like in Key's example from the 1930's friezes on the SC building, that the government is showing 50% preference for Greek pagan gods, the Greek god Zeus and the Roman goddess of wisdom, Minerva.

Does this mean to reflect the founding of our Republic as well as does Christian influence? I wish you would put this in perspective for me. The problem gets knottier at each turn.

By: Esther

Esther — Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:49:00 +0000

Key: When I asked you to point out what symbols you are talking about, you sent me the link to the 1930s friezes around the SC building:

Your answer now seems to evade this point, ergo:

Jeff said, "The constitution is not based on what is popular. It is based on what the law allows. And religious symbols on government property is not legal."

Key said: "Then why are they there, and have been for hundreds of years?"

I make the same request again: please tell me what symbols are you talking about?

Frankly, given all what the dialogue amongst the various people in the news in the Republic at that early time, and yes, the war with Tripoli, I can see why Christian references were avoided. The latter issue is all what I have been talking about this whole time but didn't know it until I saw the conversation between you and Jeff.