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	<title>Comments on: Black Bishop Encourages Christians to Leave Democratic Party</title>
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		<title>By: Susan Jungerheld Abel</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/08/10/black-bishop-encourages-christians-to-leave-democratic-party/#comment-174225</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan Jungerheld Abel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Aug 2012 22:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amen!  President Obama, let God&#039;s people go!  Pharaoh was keeping Moses and the Israelites not simply from going away, but going away to fulfill their obligations to God.  Give it a read!  At first Pharaoh said he would let them go and added, &quot;Pray for me&quot;!  Obama is also acting quite Pharaoh-like in his disregard for innocent life.  Let&#039;s pray for his daughters, that they &quot;evolve&quot; his thinking as they supposedly did regarding gay-so-called-marriage:  Pharaoh&#039;s daughter scooped Moses out of the water, treasuring his life with love and care.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!  President Obama, let God's people go!  Pharaoh was keeping Moses and the Israelites not simply from going away, but going away to fulfill their obligations to God.  Give it a read!  At first Pharaoh said he would let them go and added, "Pray for me"!  Obama is also acting quite Pharaoh-like in his disregard for innocent life.  Let's pray for his daughters, that they "evolve" his thinking as they supposedly did regarding gay-so-called-marriage:  Pharaoh's daughter scooped Moses out of the water, treasuring his life with love and care.</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Wood</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/08/10/black-bishop-encourages-christians-to-leave-democratic-party/#comment-173915</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 11:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A just God is not going to want to be be &quot;on anyone&#039;s side&quot; Myrtle... shouldn&#039;t the minister be the same way?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A just God is not going to want to be be "on anyone's side" Myrtle&#8230; shouldn't the minister be the same way?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Wood</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/08/10/black-bishop-encourages-christians-to-leave-democratic-party/#comment-173904</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 07:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Myrtle:  To be more specific:  The Church has &quot;no business meddling&quot; in government affairs.  Remember Matt 6:6]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myrtle:  To be more specific:  The Church has "no business meddling" in government affairs.  Remember Matt 6:6</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Wood</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/08/10/black-bishop-encourages-christians-to-leave-democratic-party/#comment-173903</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Myrtle:  The LDS church on Earth will never advise the president of the United States, neither will it advise any other political figure, nor will it tell any of its members or congregation which political party to join. They take it seriously the uniqueness of the individual, that the individual has a mind of sufficient intelligence to make those kind of life-altering decisions on their own. Furthermore, they take the admonition in the bible seriously:

Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

The latter activity to pray in secret to ask &quot;thy Father&quot; is not the same as a minister standing in the pulpit and telling people what political party to join.  Don&#039;t you see the difference?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myrtle:  The LDS church on Earth will never advise the president of the United States, neither will it advise any other political figure, nor will it tell any of its members or congregation which political party to join. They take it seriously the uniqueness of the individual, that the individual has a mind of sufficient intelligence to make those kind of life-altering decisions on their own. Furthermore, they take the admonition in the bible seriously:</p>
<p>Matthew 6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.</p>
<p>The latter activity to pray in secret to ask "thy Father" is not the same as a minister standing in the pulpit and telling people what political party to join.  Don't you see the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Wood</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/08/10/black-bishop-encourages-christians-to-leave-democratic-party/#comment-173902</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Myrtle said, &quot;... why do thy [sic] have a member running for president?&quot;  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not ever support a political candidate. i.e., what you have said is a falsehood. What more can be said other than both Harry Reid and Mitt Romney are members, and neither have been supported, criticized, or advised in any way by any of the authorities of the LDS church. You can be a member of a church and not in  any way be supported by the church.  Moreover, when you are a member of a church, you most certainly can appeal to one you believe is a higher power. How does that cohere with the minister telling people to go to a different political party?  I would love to know your answer to that question.  Be careful, don&#039;t toady. : )  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Myrtle said, "&#8230; why do thy [sic] have a member running for president?"  The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints does not ever support a political candidate. i.e., what you have said is a falsehood. What more can be said other than both Harry Reid and Mitt Romney are members, and neither have been supported, criticized, or advised in any way by any of the authorities of the LDS church. You can be a member of a church and not in  any way be supported by the church.  Moreover, when you are a member of a church, you most certainly can appeal to one you believe is a higher power. How does that cohere with the minister telling people to go to a different political party?  I would love to know your answer to that question.  Be careful, don't toady. : )  </p>
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		<title>By: Mary Wood</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/08/10/black-bishop-encourages-christians-to-leave-democratic-party/#comment-173899</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How will you manage Muslims. Myrtle?  They don&#039;t accept Jesus as their savior.  How is asking this question toadying?  My point is we have to use U.S. Constitutional LAW. As I see it this is &quot;using REASON&quot;


Here is a copy/paste from Jeff&#039;s post demonstrating reason and wisdom:
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Are the Ten Commandments the basis for the first Ten Amendments to the US Constitution?

I hear this comment often, “The Ten Commandments are the structure of our Bill of Rights.&quot;

Is that right? Lets take a look at the first Ten Amendments. 

I. Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and
Petition – Freedom of Religion is actually the opposite of what the Ten
Commandments requires. The other aspects of the First Amendment have nothing to do with the Commandments. 

2. Right to keep and bear arms – Has nothing to do with the Commandments

3. Conditions for quarters of soldiers – Nothing to do with the Commandments

4. Right of search and seizure regulated – Nothing to do with the Commandments

5. Provisions concerning prosecution – Nothing to do with the Commandments

6. Right to a speedy trial, witnesses, etc. – A slight connection with bearing false witness, otherwise, nothing to do with the Commandments. 

7. Right to a trial by jury – Nothing to do with the Commandments 

8. Excessive bail, cruel punishment – Nothing to do with the Commandments

9. Rule of construction of Constitution – Absolutely nothing to do with the Commandments

10. Rights of the States under Constitution – Nothing to do with the Commandments.



Other than the coincidence that there were initially Ten Amendments and there are Ten Commandments, there is only one slight resemblance between the two documents, which has to do with bearing false witness. The Freedom of Religion is actually the exact opposite of what the Commandments require. Are the Ten Commandments’ the structure of our Constitution? Complete nonsense.
END OF QUOTE

My point is, if we abide by the wisdom of our Founders and the wisdom found in the reasonable execution of the principles of law, we can come to some peaceful agreements with any people.  As long as any of us rely on what our &quot;God says&quot; to do, tell me how will we come to any reasonable settlement?  Doesn&#039;t you God place any value on the survival of your civilization? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How will you manage Muslims. Myrtle?  They don't accept Jesus as their savior.  How is asking this question toadying?  My point is we have to use U.S. Constitutional LAW. As I see it this is "using REASON"</p>
<p>Here is a copy/paste from Jeff's post demonstrating reason and wisdom:<br />
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Are the Ten Commandments the basis for the first Ten Amendments to the US Constitution?</p>
<p>I hear this comment often, “The Ten Commandments are the structure of our Bill of Rights."</p>
<p>Is that right? Lets take a look at the first Ten Amendments. </p>
<p>I. Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and<br />
Petition – Freedom of Religion is actually the opposite of what the Ten<br />
Commandments requires. The other aspects of the First Amendment have nothing to do with the Commandments. </p>
<p>2. Right to keep and bear arms – Has nothing to do with the Commandments</p>
<p>3. Conditions for quarters of soldiers – Nothing to do with the Commandments</p>
<p>4. Right of search and seizure regulated – Nothing to do with the Commandments</p>
<p>5. Provisions concerning prosecution – Nothing to do with the Commandments</p>
<p>6. Right to a speedy trial, witnesses, etc. – A slight connection with bearing false witness, otherwise, nothing to do with the Commandments. </p>
<p>7. Right to a trial by jury – Nothing to do with the Commandments </p>
<p>8. Excessive bail, cruel punishment – Nothing to do with the Commandments</p>
<p>9. Rule of construction of Constitution – Absolutely nothing to do with the Commandments</p>
<p>10. Rights of the States under Constitution – Nothing to do with the Commandments.</p>
<p>Other than the coincidence that there were initially Ten Amendments and there are Ten Commandments, there is only one slight resemblance between the two documents, which has to do with bearing false witness. The Freedom of Religion is actually the exact opposite of what the Commandments require. Are the Ten Commandments’ the structure of our Constitution? Complete nonsense.<br />
END OF QUOTE</p>
<p>My point is, if we abide by the wisdom of our Founders and the wisdom found in the reasonable execution of the principles of law, we can come to some peaceful agreements with any people.  As long as any of us rely on what our "God says" to do, tell me how will we come to any reasonable settlement?  Doesn't you God place any value on the survival of your civilization? </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Mead</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/08/10/black-bishop-encourages-christians-to-leave-democratic-party/#comment-173898</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Mead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 06:02:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t see how a person could call themself a true Christian and embrace the Democrat&#039;s agenda - abortion, pure welfare, homosexuality, destruction of church policy  (forcing to impede the free speech of pastor&#039;s to speak against homosexuality, who to vote for, who to hire), godlessness.  Need I go on.  Yet many Christians stand prooud to vote for such godlessness.  Not that republicans are perfect.  But that democrats are so so bad.   Don&#039;t forget that everyone that stands before God as a true Christian will have to give an account for who he or she voted for!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can't see how a person could call themself a true Christian and embrace the Democrat's agenda &#8211; abortion, pure welfare, homosexuality, destruction of church policy  (forcing to impede the free speech of pastor's to speak against homosexuality, who to vote for, who to hire), godlessness.  Need I go on.  Yet many Christians stand prooud to vote for such godlessness.  Not that republicans are perfect.  But that democrats are so so bad.   Don't forget that everyone that stands before God as a true Christian will have to give an account for who he or she voted for!</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Wood</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/08/10/black-bishop-encourages-christians-to-leave-democratic-party/#comment-173897</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is anyone asking you to not stand for what you believe?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone asking you to not stand for what you believe?</p>
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		<title>By: Mary Wood</title>
		<link>http://zionica.com/2012/08/10/black-bishop-encourages-christians-to-leave-democratic-party/#comment-173896</link>
		<dc:creator>Mary Wood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2012 05:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please watch this video: 
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/political-neutrality-whiteboard-animation-draws-out-church-position   It may give you pause to rethink your position on political neutrality of churches. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please watch this video:<br />
<a href="http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/political-neutrality-whiteboard-animation-draws-out-church-position" rel="nofollow">http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/political-neutrality-whiteboard-animation-draws-out-church-position</a>   It may give you pause to rethink your position on political neutrality of churches. </p>
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