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Obama's Idea of Living Like Jesus

Prior to the election in 2008, then-candidate Barack Obama showed up in Rick Warren's Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, California.  It was there that Warren asked Barack Obama what Christianity meant to him and this is how he answered:

As a starting point, it means I believe in – that Jesus Christ died for my sins, and that I am redeemed through him. That is a source of strength and sustenance on a daily basis. Yes, I know that I don't walk alone. And I know that if I can get myself out of the way, that I can maybe carry out in some small way what he intends. And it means that those sins that I have on a fairly regular basis, hopefully will be washed away.

But what it also means, I think, is a sense of obligation to embrace not just words, but through deeds, the expectations, I think, that God has for us. And that means thinking about the least of these.

Despite his "above my pay grade" answer to Rick Warren's controversial "when does life begin" question, Barack Obama went on to win the election. Over the last four years the President has not let his "sense of obligation" toward Jesus stand in the way of his continued support for abortion on demand as well as all manner of liberal social policy whose precepts are denounced, not extolled, by the God Obama claims to worship.

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  • Madmax1450

    Well anyone with any brains at all in their head knows that Odumbo is not a christian; that is plainly obvious with him attending Jeremiah Wrights church for twenty years and listening to that mans hate sermons for all that time, and then say you are a believer in Jesus and a Christian. I think not

    • listra

      I don't believe for one moment you have ever heard any of Dr. Wrights sermons in toto.
      You have picked and chosen from sound bites.
      Too bad you didn't listen to the whole thing his sermons are very bible based and interesting if are interested in that sort of thing.

      • Madmax1450

        I would not listen to anyone one that says God Damn America

        • Evermyrtle

          AMEN!!! GOD will damn the ungodly anti-CHRIST when the chosen time arrives. HE will bless HIS people, as HE always does

          • Madmax1450

            Amen to you also. Poor Listra I think he is an atheist. When he stands in front of the white throne it will be to late for him. I have been declared dead about 5 times in my life and most times it was longer than 5 minutes and I am still here and have seen the other side.

          • Evermyrtle

            Yes, as it is explained in Matt 25: 31-46 which explains how GOD will separate HIS people from the unbelievers It is a real eye opener

          • listra

            Obviously you should have stayed on the 'other' side. You are little use here.
            And by the way I have never been called an Atheist; previously that is an interesting change. Do I have to wear any special garments like the magical underwear the cultic mormons wear? How about those special towels used by the JW's?

          • Mary Wood

            No Max… Listra is an Alinskyite

        • listra

          You are quoting out of context. What a fool you are to not know the difference. Just another example of the ugly american in action.
          No brains, no brawn and a half-wit at best.

          • Madmax1450

            No Brains-Nope I have IQ of 130; No Brawn – I am 6 foot 2 Inches and weigh 180 lbs, all muscle, Ex Marine Recon, and have a lot more wit than you

          • listra

            I would have to see a test provided by the APA in order to believe you have and IQ above 65. 6'2" and 180 looks like you need a diet.
            Ex marine…all ex military in the u s are a bunch of stupid mules. Who would go and fight for anything in this country and get paid pennies.
            Much better to get an education and become a leader in your community. But then you would never qualify military = uneducated mules.

          • Evermyrtle

            If you saw the test scores you could not comprehend what you are reading.

          • Old Observer

            And I have tested 143 IQ. But of course you must be registering around 200! Give it up–you will not change any of us—we know the one thing about you that is for sure–what your final future holds!!

          • listra

            I am so happy you are so very certain of my future and that of my friends and family. I know also what it holds…when it is over it is over and I shall be dead forever.
            That is, of course, unless my Karma needs adjusting and I have to return as a bug, snake, dog, cat but hopefully never a human.
            Perhaps a Succubus would be a nice change.

          • Mary Wood

            Alinskyite is what you are, whether you know it… the Hil or BO type.

          • Mary Wood

            Thank you.

          • Madmax1450

            Actually I have a Bachelors Degree in Medical Administration, am a paramedic and firefighter besides working in a hospital. I save lives for a living what does a liberal idiot such as your self do besides being a moron

          • Mary Wood

            Again, sir, thank you for your public service. Your honesty rings through your words. You have described Listra exactly.

          • Mary Wood

            Listra: You have shown time and time again that you do not have the qualifications to ask any American to do anything. NO APOLOGY to you is necessary. Romney-Ryan 2012-2020

          • Mary Wood

            You absolutely do. Thank you for your service to the USA, sir!

          • Evermyrtle

            How on earth can one a halfwit know who another half wit might be. I must remember that name calling and mud slinging is what liberals are best at.

          • Mary Wood

            Listra: You just confirmed, you are an Alinskyite whether you know it or not.

            Romney-Ryan 2012-2020 NO APOLOGY

          • listra

            Indeed, I love Dr. Saul Alinsky and find him to be one of the brighter progressive professors I have ever had. He was a marvelous teacher as was his long time S/O.
            No Apology here! He is really a great philosopher and is much revered.

          • Mary Wood

            Why didn't you admit it to begin with?

          • listra

            Why don't you learn how to read. I am just one amongst many who adore Dr. Saul.
            One of the best profs in the world.

        • Mary Wood

          Good

          • listra

            The God Damn America statement was from one of Rev. Dr. Wright's marvelous sermons. Have ever listened to this one in context not just the sound bites the hannity's hand feed you?
            The words come straight out of your little bible.
            I would be most happy to send you a copy of his sermons. Wonderful man. Too bad he spent so much wasted time as a marine.

      • Mary Wood

        You are definitely an Alinskyite.

        Romney-Ryan 2012-2020 NO APOLOGY

  • Old Observer

    No true Christian would do or say the things he has since being elected–his "Christianity" was only for public consumption because he knew he would not be elected as a Muslim.

    • Southroadevang

      What in the world is a "true" Christian? Either one is a Christian or one is not. Trouble is that Mr Obama has mastered the double speak of American religion and politics. Oh… and would a "true" Christian judge/comdemn The President of The United States as a "Muslim" with no evidence to support that conclusion. I'd go as far as "God hater" based on his actions which don't seem as "Muslim" as they are "godless".

      • Old Observer

        A true Christian is a Christian in the Biblical sense–one who has accepted Jesus as savior and lord, and isn't afraid to say so–as opposed to "default" Christians—those referred to as Christian because they aren't muslin, taoist, buddist, etc. By his actions he demonstrates islam!

        • listra

          Since there are so many ways to be a christian perhaps you haven't crossed paths with modern thinking christian adults.
          By the way it is MUSLIM not muslin which is a fabric. Buddist? (Perhaps you would like to change this spelling also.)
          I sincerely doubt you find President Obama demonstrating any traits of Islam.

          • mexseiko

            Obama required NOT to pray in Jesus' name during one of the Day of Prayee activities and cancelled it altogether in another year while he hasnt missed a Ramadan dinner. He supports Live Born Abortion and single-hand repealed Don't And-Don't Tell , thus sodomizing the nations defence. Not the signature of a Christian.

          • listra

            Please re-read your post and make it look like English.

          • petroskhan

            How about you answer the man's statement instead of criticizing spelling mistakes?

          • Evermyrtle

            If he can't answer a question he attacks from another point, Watch his tricks as he does the work of Satan

          • petroskhan

            As do so many these days, sadly.

          • DWoodPhD

            THUMBS UP ON THIS ONE PETROSKHAN, MANY TIMES OVER.

          • DWoodPhD

            I quote Petroskhan: " How about you answer the man's statement instead of criticizing spelling mistakes?"
            Thumbs up to Petroskhan!!! several times over here!!

          • Evermyrtle

            i believe before Obama tries to PRAY IN JESUS NAME, he need to get right with HIM, accept HIM as the "SON OF GOD AND SAVIOR OF THE WORLD," and pray for forgiveness. I can't imagine what would occur if he tried to do it before being ready for it.

          • Old Observer

            Sorry my typos bothered you–I am well aware of the correct spelling. Modern Christian adults/ oh, yes–the ones who are peeling away any part of the Bible they don't find it comfortable to live with. I have crossed paths with many of them. Watering down the faith so they can lead lives that are contrary to the Bible. and still be able to live with themselves. Obama not demonstrating any traits of Islam???? Pull your head out of the sand! He refuses to have the Christian day of prayer, celebrates Ramadan with Muslims in the WH—bows to Muslim leaders, pictures have been published of him at prayer with Muslims—-Go worship Lord obama elsewhere!

          • listra

            Post your citations where we can see President Obama at prayer with Muslims I don't have that photo and would love it. Why should he have a christan day of prayer this is not a christian nation it is a diverse nation and religion does not belong in any part of the government with any sort of recognition.
            Do you know what Ramadan is and the Eias?
            Thought not!
            You great leader Bush also had Ramadan celebrations in the WH as well as a Passover and Rosh Hashanah. His father celebrated three of the major Asian religious holidays.
            Perhaps we should all get together and stone them.
            This is NOT a christian nation and it was planned that way.

          • petroskhan

            “It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and the Bible.”
            - George Washington

            “It is the duty of all nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey His will, to be grateful for His benefits, and humbly to implore His protection and favor.”
            - George Washington

            “We have this day [Fourth of July] restored the Sovereign to whom all men ought to be obedient. He reigns in Heaven, and from the rising to the setting of the sun, let His Kingdom come.”
            - Samuel Adams

            “Congress passed this resolution: “The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.”
            - United States Congress 1782

            “We recognize no sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus.”
            - John Adams and John Hancock

            “The Declaration of Independence laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity.” – John Adams

            “The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God.”
            - John Adams

            “[The Fourth of July] ought to be commemorated as the day of deliverance by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty.”
            - John Adams

            It cannot be emphasized too strongly or too often that this great Nation was founded not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religions, but on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
            - Patrick Henry

            Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is their duty – as well as privilege and interest – of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.
            - John Jay

            God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that His justice cannot sleep forever.
            - Thomas Jefferson

            “[The Bible] is the rock on which our Republic rests.”
            - Andrew Jackson

            “This is a Christian nation”
            - United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

            “Religion [is] the basis and foundation of Government”
            - James Madison

            Yeah, I guess you're right. You would know so much better than any of the men quoted above.

          • listra

            I course I know so much more. There are a considerable number of years between then and now. With the Supremos decisions on what is accurate and what is not and how such statements can be supplied these old guys really are exposed as not having great foresight.
            Just remember before anything else they were power and money hungry politicians who would say anything for ten dollars.
            This is not now nor has it ever been an xian nation. This time is so far removed from the picket fence/church on every corner and one room school house that it bears no relationship upon this new nation that functions without any of the versions of the fake gods you all have made to serve your thoughts and practices about how people should conduct themselves.
            Enjoy this new age you are experiencing a new birth of a failed country.
            It will soon be new and good.

          • petroskhan

            It's rare to see someone who is not only unashamed of his ignorance, but actually embraces it. You are to be congratulated.

            I've never seen the Founders referred to as "politicians who say anything for ten dollars." Your insight is breathtaking. I'm sure you could back that up with some references, right?

            I am also enthralled with how you contradict yourself, and don't even seem to notice or care. Truly impressive! You claim it never was a Christian nation (with no proof of that claim), and then move on to say that it's changed from when it WAS. I applaud your ability to avoid such things as rational thought and coherent reasoning.

            And referring to this as "a failed country", yet with no desire or ability to show HOW it's failed, or to support that comment with any sort of references or substantiation…simply brilliant!

            (Note: In case you missed it – and you probably did – the above comments contain heavy amounts of sarcasm. Here is a translation of the intent of the message, to keep it simple: You're a buffoon. You are ignorant, delusional, and have the most idiotic and random thoughts on topics far beyond your mental capacities. Go take a nap, and let the big kids talk. Oh, and learn some English, your grammar blows.)

          • Robert30

            Gee! The students in my college classes that I am fortunate enough to teach love my thoughts. You don't like my grammar too bad. It is my second language.
            As a couple of profs told me when I was a student don't worry, you will be able to afford a secretary to do all your writing/righting/riteing.
            Yes I know exactly what I wrote and believe every word of it including my great appreciation for my teachers.
            This is not now nor has it ever been a christian nation and the founding politicians knew it. They played both the religious and race cards even better than they do now.

          • petroskhan

            You do know my comment was a reply to "listra", right?

          • Dave

            listra there is only 1!! repeat 1! way to be a Christian, Man is trying to change that but again man can NOT!!

          • DWoodPhD

            He won't listen to you Dave. He is a one way, all the way Obama sympathizer.

      • Michael G.

        A person standing in the garage and calling himself a car doesn't make him one, does it? It is only if what Christ did on the cross is sufficient to pay for your sin debt enough.
        Condemn the Pres. of US? Why not? The present one did the previous one enough times to sink a battleship. A true Christian will judge properly.

    • listra

      He is NOT a Muslim. As a Muslim you can rest your little heads knowing he in no way follows the walk of a Muslim.
      He is known in the Muslim community as one with whom you don't obstruct his beliefs or decisions.
      If you could review his works and ways you would quickly find how much he has done for this nation. Surely you did not like President Clinton and you too then called him names that were not appropriate. It would seem you have very poor judgement that affects you more than it does the object of your hate.

      • Old Observer

        The only thing he has done for this nation is set it on a path to destruction. of course, you are more interested in pointing out the spelling/grammar mistakes of others, and praising Obama–so the truth eludes you. in time, you will find out how wrong you are—

        • listra

          Perhaps you had better educate yourself and find out just what has been done for you by President Obama. You are very ungrateful for all he has done at great personal sacrifice. After-all he couldn't bring all his wives into the Whitehouse.
          Perhaps that is a real relief. Imagine having more than one wife. One is too much in my world.
          You are one of the oldest of the President Obama haters we have run into here.
          Obviously you share the same form of dementia and delusions as another on this site.

          • mallen11

            I have to laugh at your comments of total denial of the truth about -0. Where have you been? The sad part is that you are willing to believe what you hear about him instead of what he had done to bring our Nation down to Socialism/Communism. To take from the rich to give to those who don't want to work is anti-Biblical. Have over worked for a poor person? As you can see from all the comments and down arrows given to you that you are not convincing anyone on this post to think your way. You are wasting your time. I also doubt that we cannot convince you of the evils of -0. He may be president because people thought he would bring "change" to our country for the better but he only told lies about change and now many who voted for him have been disappointed that his change was the distruction of our country. He has no honor or integrity and even though I respect the office of president I have no respect for him; the lowest of the low. The great liar; deceiver.
            The following verse discribes -0:

            Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil, that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter.

          • listra

            You have been deceived by the right wing religious fanatics. Too bad you didn't learn early on how to think for yourself.
            As a brainwashed person you certainly give evidence of not one original thought.
            To cite an old bunch of books that contain nothing but bad translations and fables that abound is absolutely fascinating.
            It is good to know today that very few people have any use for the bible collection other than another old, out of date book.

          • mallen11

            I am not sure you can understand what the Lord Jesus Christ has to say in His Word, the Bible. The main thing is that He died on the cross for your sins along with the entire human race. If you choose not to accept what He did for you on the cross then that is between you and God.

            1 Corinthians 2:14….But the natural man
            (unbeliever) receives not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are
            foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually
            discerned.

            2 Peter 1:20-21 But know this
            first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture is a matter of one's own
            interpretation, for no prophecy was ever made by an act of human will, but men
            moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

          • listra

            Thanks for the info..
            But my circumstances are such that I don't sin nor do others who follow the philosophy I do. You have to blindly follow words written by your fellow person…a human…who tells you how to live, whom to accept and what to do with every facet of your life and don't forget to turn over that hard earned dough.
            Were I to follow any god it surely would not be the christian versions there are so many strong versions of a mythical god found in the great pantheon would make it a difficult choice. I would never choose a wimpy god; (gods) since you have three of them, as they are impotent. Since we believe in no super force, higher being or great daddy this subject is moot.
            All the fury and flailing around & about with the Monster christian god shouting and screaming to its minions how it will kill all those who do not worship it. Yet there is no reliable, undisputed account of this impotent superman actually doing that which has been, so-called, prophecy. Doggerel at best~
            The earth has been here billions/millions of years and it will still be here long after we depart.
            Those of you who are not familiar with current thought might want to read the "Big Blue Dot." Most informative.

          • mallen11

            I am sad for you since you really do not know who or what you are. Those who reject Christ are afraid of having interferers in their lives. There is great lack of authority orientation in our world today. The Word of God is our authority
            and arrogance does not want to accept His authority. They choice the relative over the absolute doctrines from the Word of God. They chose the here and now rather than the eternal life. Their pursuit of the details of life is more important than an eternal future. They choice their own ideas instead of God’s way. Many people make excuses like “I don’t believe in God, I don’t see God, I don’t rationally understand how a God could exist, I am an evolutionist or a pantheist or a Buddhist or there is no God”. Those are excuses; they are not
            the reasons. The reason for people rejecting the way of salvation is because they simply don’t want interference in their lives. What a terrible trade out that is. A few years of earthly pleasure of doing it your own way and rejecting the work of the Lord Jesus Christ on the cross and take the 70 or 80 years of your life and compare it to eternity. The details of life are more important than an eternal future. What kind of fools are they? It is simply about them, nothing else.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jthaddeus.toad.7 JThaddeus Toad

            The Guardian of Divinity wants all of us to come home and live in harmony under his perfect law that guarantees joy and peace…. Since we are under the influence of the God of this world,we find truth to be unbelievable and our pride and our ego dictate…. In the final analysis what you believe matters not to the true God because his ways are higher than ours,however,he loves us all and wants us all to come to our senses and see him as he is…

          • http://www.facebook.com/jthaddeus.toad.7 JThaddeus Toad

            Could you cite some of the accomplishments of this administration that will prove to be of benefit to all who love freedom….Not withstanding your emotional entanglements that cause you to be so condescending toward those who disagree with you…. Just the facts please….

          • DWoodPhD

            "To take from the rich to give to those who don't want to work…." That is listra's plan. He is a radical Alinskyite, like Hilary Clinton and Obama. Ask him.

          • listra

            Please explain what a radical Alinskyite is? You won't be able to do so.
            One has to have some sense of purpose to do so.

          • petroskhan

            Just out of curiosity, what HAS Obama done, in your mind? At what has he "sacrificed"?

            You see, I'm curious, since all I see is an abysmal failure, a man who has no clue what he should, or how to do it. Since he took office:

            Unemployment has gone from 5% to 8.3%.
            Private sector jobs down from 115.6 Million to 110 Million.
            Personal bankruptcies have gone from 1.07 Million to 1.36 Million.
            Poverty rate has grown from 12.5% to 15.1%.
            People on food stamps have gone from 32 Million to 46 Million.
            New home sales down from 44,000 to 22,000.
            Consumer confidence down from 87.3 to 64.9.
            Annual federal debt has gone from $458 Billion to $1.3 Trillion.
            Total cumulative federal debt has gone from $5.14 Trillion to $10.95 Trillion.

            Tell you what…whatever it is that Obama thinks he's doing for me, could you tell him to stop? I would like to have someone in office who actually knows how to succeed, not just make promises and spend our money. I, for one, am tired of having nothing in my pocket but "hope and change."

      • newmantic

        wow, are you blind….. open your eyes. Many study his "works" in depth and report the facts, and what Mr. O has "done" TO this nation is unheard of in all of America's history. Suggest you read "Fool Me Twice" and "The Audacity Of Deceit".

        • listra

          When you become a Muslim step right up and post all the information you have on and about President Obama and his practice.
          Until then you really have nothing to say. I would suggest you get your ass in gear for the next four years. You won't believe your eyes.

          • newmantic

            So only a Muslim can speak accurately about Mr. Obama?….AND "his practice"?? So this man you said before "is not a Muslim" just practices what the Koran mandates (deceiving the infidels, -lying and such-…), but really isn't one? Seems to me he's doing Mohammad proud. And, no thanks, I'll stay a Christian and speak the truth of Christ in a loving way, and continue to pray for those who haven't yet come to know the peace only Jesus, the way, hope and life, has given to us. Blessings.

          • listra

            Good luck in your search for perfection.
            As far as I am concerned it makes no difference the religion of this nations leader as he is not truly the leader in any event.
            The Quran in no way mandates lying, deceiving or any other ridiculous statements you and other make regarding the practice of one of the worlds three major religions.
            He state he is a christian and as I understand it there is no test for religion in regard to presidential elections. It is obviously true as you folks are running a man who belongs to one of the most mistrusted religious groups and one that is considered a cult the mormons. Their beliefs are outlandish when compared with the major groups.
            There is no reason you should not stay a christian that is your heritage be happy in it but remember you live in a diverse society where there are many beliefs and no beliefs. It would not hurt to read the Quran and see for yourself that Islam is a religion of peace. That is not what you hear from people who do not know the truth about Islam but who function only on hearsay.
            Have a good life.

          • Dave

            Ok listra answer me this, If Oboma is so great why do you owe over $88k to $94k of the national dept? where 4 years ago you only owed $28 to $34k in national dept? DON'T again I repeat DON'T! say tax the rich were not made, They pay taxes that 45% do NOT!! Yes 45% of people in the US DO NOT PAY ANY TAXES. in FACT The people that DO NOT PAY taxes GET A CHECK FROM THE GOVERNMENT that YOU PAID!! And under Oboma it has increased pending what part of the country 38% to 47% and there a increase on FOOD stamps under Oboma!
            So If Oboma is so great Why Then?? Regulation is COSTing you 64% more from 4 years ago from Gas to electricity, Food, Clothing.
            Oboma is over regulating for energy to raise the cost !!
            So again if oboma is so great why then?

          • listra

            Perhaps when you learn how to address the President of the United States properly I might deign to answer you. Other than you haven't got a clue as to the economics of this country and its tax system there is nothing you have brought to this forum that would require an answer. It is obvious you would not understand it anyway.
            If the wealthy pay 48% in taxes why is your buddy the mormon, pretender to the throne paying less than 13%. He really must release more years of his tax returns.

          • Dave

            why does the other 45% pay 0% and recieve (which average out $3500 each)what the 45% of americans pay?
            Yes he may have paid 13% (which averages out $10078 Million)that is because of deduction that you also enjoy, so Your the one who does NOT understamd the tax systems and your trying to change it!! amybe if you stop listen to other and actually look up the infomation from the IRS and ACTUALLY STOP being LAZY and do the math!!
            And Instead of being HATEFUL and attacking other people when they only ask a question and then you provide nothing! All it does do show your charactor!!

          • listra

            Obviously Moron Moromney has his money hidden in offshore accounts and other 3rd party investments. I don't have to do the math for the IRS reports. I hire an accountant to do that and a CPA plus a tax attorney. Perhaps you can hire people of that ilk also when you have some money.

          • Dave

            WOW. you assume so very wrong.
            You really do not care that you do NOt know who or what your talking too?
            You think you have the right answer and everybody else is wrong.
            So far you have NOT provide why is oboma is so great?

          • listra

            Check it out for yourself wandering q'dae'aung~

          • Dave

            How sad when your life is lived around assumsion and opinions with NO facts to back them.

          • mallen11

            Where do you come from? You are so deceived!

          • newmantic

            I agree. Mormonism is a cult, as they do not believe Jesus was God made man, as God's Word teaches. They also believe (among other untruths) they will one day become gods. I absolutely, but respectfully, disagree that Islam is a religion of peace. (there is a non-watered-down translation of the Qur'an from the original arabic everyone should read.. "The Generous Qur'an" from Straight Way of Grace Ministries. http://www.thestraightway.org)

          • listra

            The book you cite is a direct affront to Islam and all Muslim followers. Why not read the Quran in its original form. If you can't read Arabic…poor soul time to learn your future language…then read a sanctioned translation.
            Why would you ever pick a book by a christian group to explain the Muslim faith.
            They just want to tear it down. Karma will get them.

          • newmantic

            "Sanctioned" means allowed or approved of. Of course Islamic counties won't allow or approve an accurate translation…it brings out the real meaning of Mohammed's teaching. As for this particular translation, every meaning of Arabic words is explained in context. And the man who founded Straight Way of Grace studied Islam and lived in a Muslim country until coming to America.
            I respect your views listra, but I too once believed wrongly. In the same way a person who is part of Mormonism may not realize what their "faith" really teaches (underneath all the friendly and well meaning surface), many Muslims may have been unknowingly indoctrinated to the "religion" of "peace", without seeking out the true intentions of Mohammed.
            (I try to speak truth in love but I realize that sometimes no matter how it is worded, truth will hurt someone unintentionally. Not speaking at all however can be even more harmful to those who are wanting to hear.)

          • listra

            Of course you have your opinion and have not walked our walk. Strange you should use such examples that there are those who don't understand what their beliefs truly are.
            It would serve them well to find out about all religions and the basic structure of their faith and how they relate to others.
            That is very strange I have several word for word translations of the Quran and have had them in the family for eons. It is not true that the common person can't have a copy. Students in Islamic countries are given the Book when they enter the schools. That is the same saying that roman catholic persons can't own a bible only a missal and the bible will be translated for them by the priest. Similarly it is said thus about the Jews and their Rabbis..none of which are true.
            You can walk into any Mosque and ask for a Quran and not only will you be given one but someone will offer to help you read through it if you don't speak Arabic. You are not required to become Muslin nor become anything else but what you are.
            You are not considered a convert nor a seeker. Nothing is forced upon you.
            Take the opportunity to learn the truth about Islam and you won't be so afraid.

          • listra

            Not a bad idea.

          • Evermyrtle

            Well, you must admit listra looks at it from the inside, we look from the outside and cannot always uncover the evil that he is looking at. We have to wait for GOD to uncover the evil for us sometimes.

  • antiliberalcryptonite

    Antichrist-In-Chief

    • Chris

      Since there was no Christ that's difficult. But please carry on with your childish beliefs.

      • Aristophanes

        chris – you really do hate Jesus, don't you? If you were an atheist, you would not be trying to convince CHRISTIANS that there is no Jesus, etc. Why do you bother? Do you really think your childish anger is going to convince Christians? Really, Chris, this is getting old. Try a new tact. At least, try to keep us amused with your feeble attempts.

        • Evermyrtle

          You are correct if he did no believe he would ignore the JESUS comments, But no, he simply hates JESUS CHRIST likely because he is scared to death of HIM.

          • listra

            People don't have to hate the so-called jesus to make statements about his supposed nature. How many jesus types where there at the time of the so called crucifixion? Loads…a very common name. So which is one to hate?
            There are very few alive today who are scared of any myth, fable or tale about a person who did not exist.

          • Evermyrtle

            Why does it bother you so much that you constantly harp on it? We do not bother you about what you believe, that is not our business, once we make sure that you have heard the truth. GOD gives you the right not to believe but HE wants HIS children to be sure you have hear the message. We have done taht!

        • listra

          Let those that have ears let them hear and learn.
          Obviously Aris you have NO ears.

          • Evermyrtle

            What is it that you want us to hear and learn?? Why are you bothered you that we have not heard what you have to say? It is rather hard to understand what your are trying to tell us, when all you do is complain, deny CHRIST, and call us names..

      • Old Observer

        Someday, Chris, you will stand before him in judgment–and finally know how wrong you were.just in time to take up residence in a very hot place. but keep on not believing–perhaps someone will be able to get through to you and show you the truth before it's too late—

        • listra

          And whom do you think you frighten with your silly words. Wake up there is NO heaven no Hell ask anyone who makes it past grade school.
          The truth is what YOU make it and not someone else trying to force a religion on another who wants no part of it.

          • Evermyrtle

            The truth is always "silly" to the unbeliever. Why it upsets you that we believe, is beyond me. because GOD gives us the right to believe or not to believe, we choose to believe.

          • Madmax1450

            Have you noticed how no one likes any of listra's posts, the guy is such a moron

          • Evermyrtle

            Yes, indeed!! It is such a shame because with a Christian attitude everybody would love him.

      • listra

        Thank you Chris for showing your loving concern for humankind. There are not too many here who can believe anything else outside the box the live in. Structured lives with those rules, Oh My! How simple their minds must be.

        • Evermyrtle

          Why do you care? Do you get paid for changing our minds? By the way it is beautiful inside our box!!

      • Evermyrtle

        Chris, why does the fact bother you, that we know JESUS CHRIST and we are happy in the fact., if HE is real you are missing a lot, if HE is not why does it bother you, that we are claiming HIM as our SAVIOR. Just wondering, because I know "HE IS THE MOST REAL AND WONDERFUL THING IN THE LIVES OF ALL CHRISTIAN. I just can[t figure why you are so upset about it.

    • listra

      You poor miserable soul. You sound so depressed please ask for help.

      • Evermyrtle

        Ask who? Are you willing to help???

  • Ron

    What a person does versus what he says tells us more of who he is. If he talks about being a Christian but does just the opposite, then we have to wonder if it is true when Christ said that many are called but few are chosen. Obama has proven by his actions that he speaks about Christianity but his real love is for the Muslim faith. Read his book, see his actions abroad, his cabinet appointees, etc.
    Ron

    • Madmax1450

      You are so right He will talk the talk but he does not walk the walk of a Christian.

      • listra

        And how would you know? Do you walk in his shoes?
        You might change your mind if you continue to live here after the November vote and followup decisions.

        • Madmax1450

          I honestly do not think he will be reelected, and no I don't walk in his shoes but I walk the christian walk and I know he does not.

          • listra

            He will be elected and he, professes to be a christian. Why I don't know if it is what he is and believes that is it. His grand parents were Episcopalians and he was schooled in that sect of christianity. If he believes his is one and he has stated that it should be good enough for you.
            Are you satisfied that you will be voting for a mormon (cultist) and an roman catholic? Good luck to you in your quest for the truth. I do hope you find some meaning to life and its many paths and no paths to eternity.
            In my world when one dies one is dead and that is it.

          • newmantic

            listra, the fact that we Christians know the meaning to our lives because of Jesus makes it very saddening to see so many people without hope beyond the physical life. I will pray for the Light to reach your hearts my friends.

          • listra

            Your kindness is well noted.

        • Evermyrtle

          Are you walking in his shoes? You know so much about him you must be, or at least like two peas in a hull>

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/June-Gagnon/1673686634 June Gagnon

          WE do not have to "walk in his shoes"- -where he walks and what he does tells US all we need to know! Obama-soetoro will not win in November and if he does it will be a result of the usual "acorn dead people and dogs illegitimate votes"! I no longer fear the "nazi-fascist-commie-muslim" who parades around pretending to be a "president"! The "good guys" will win and God has "other plans" for this pretender!

          • listra

            His adoptive last name is NOT Soetoro!
            Check it out Sir it is the same name borne by his sister and lovely woman.
            Don't worry my dog and vicious pit bull is already registered to vote in November and he knows which side his biscuits are buttered on.
            You poor little hateful person you can't back up one of your accusations yet you have your hand out to take all the freebies you can get.
            How about that house loan?

          • Evermyrtle

            Hateful? Go look in a mirror!! Yo have one of the most vicious writing hands and minds that I have read. Get on your knees and spend some time with JESUS , HE can cure you of this malady.

        • MrDrapes

          The Bible very CLEARLY says by your FRUITS ye shall know them.

    • listra

      Wake up from your wishful thinking. President Obama is a very great man and has taken on a job that no one else really wanted.
      You people won't win in November you have no simpatico with the populace.
      Since you don't know the heart of the president don't attempt to judge him.

      • Madmax1450

        The worst president in American history

      • edinflorida

        Oh, we know the heart of the President and it is one of deceit. Obama is the most dangerous man in the USA if not the entire world. Yes, Obama is a very great man and it he is the great deceiver. You say he took a job no one else wanted. Remember John McCain and Sara Palin? I think others wanted the job. There were about 6 other people that ran for the presidency. Any of them would have been 10 times better.

        • listra

          Do you always read from the back of the local news?
          No real persons wanted McCain and the slut palin. But then she represents your version of christianity and one of it funnier sects. What a splendid example she is as a mother.
          Oh well she is long gone and old news and McCain is just old.

          • Dave

            You talk about people being hatefull how about LOOK into the mirror and the truth will be known that you are just as hateful and worst!
            It is NOT judgeing you but I tell it how I see it and hopefully you will learn from it.

      • petroskhan

        "President Obama is a very great man."

        Based on what, if you don't mind me asking?

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/June-Gagnon/1673686634 June Gagnon

        Ah, yes, your "great pretender" does a wonderful job of "practicing the tenets of islam"; he lies with impunity, deceives, vexes and confounds- -but he will NOT win anything other than a military arrest and tribunal, on charges of fraud, sedition, espionage (as in spy) and several dozen other serious items i.e. "felony grand theft"- -the $$BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars he has given to sorry@azz george, al-queda, the muslim brotherhood, hamas, the taliban and so many foreign countries that "hate" the USA!
        And "this" is what YOU want for this great nation?? Are you even a US citizen, or is it that you've been deceived your entire life by lying liberal teachers and professors? You use the word "simpatico", if you're an illegal alien, go back home! If you're simply a muslim-commie sympathizer then GET THE HELL OUT OF THE USA!

        • listra

          First of all their will have to be a trial in the Hague for bush and cheney and his henchmen who murdered thousands of innocent men, women and children when they had no part in any attack on America.
          There is every reason most nations of this world hate the us. It has raped, pillaged, stolen, murdered in every country where they wanted the natural resources of a country. What business is it of yours if we are citizens of this country. I have never been deceived by a bunch of egregious republicunts who don't know what to put in what place. You are a bunch of hypocrites and your problem is that you know it and can't escape the imprisonment you have created for yourselves.
          Since when do communists have to leave this country? Are you aware that there is a real live and active Communist Party in this country and each presidential election run valid candidates for president and vice president plus all the other offices?
          I have had a terrific education from the best universities in Germany, Russia and even here in Amerika!
          If you don't like it do take your strange molecular arrangement elsewhere.
          China might accept you if you pay them enough.

          • Evermyrtle

            There will be a trial, JESUS will be in charge.

            Matt 25: 31-34
            31. When the SON OF MAN shall come in HIS glory and all of HIS HOLY ANGELS with HIM, then shall HE sit upon the throne of HIS glory:
            32. And before HIM shall be gathered all nations: and HE shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats:
            33. And HE shall set the sheep on HIS right hand, but the goats on the left.
            34. Then shall the KING say unto them on HIS right hand, Cone, you blessed of my FATHER inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

            Read the rest of the chapter to get the entire trial and the reason for HIS reasoning.

          • Mary Wood

            LISTRA: You are misinformed. It is the take-over of the democratic process by the "progressives" who finally got a foothold in our republic when Hilary Clinton became first "lady" … thereafter followed one right after another the Alinskyite radical agenda to work within the system to bring about the fall of the American economic system with, of course, Obama, and its tentacles reaching world wide… little did good Americans think this could happen. You aren't help them, are you?

            Romney-Ryan 2012-2020 NO APOLOGY

      • Evermyrtle

        You are right, he is a man that nobody living today will ever forget what he has done to America. He has signed into law more anti-GOD laws than all l presidents, put together, before him. He has assisted in getting us into far more debt than we have ever been before, and is partly at fault for arming Mexico. OH, OH, I do apologize for that. it was bush that did that, and is still running the country!!

  • LibertysSon

    "Hopefully my sins will be forgiven" Not the words of a born again believer that knows the blood of Christ has forgiven All of his sins….

    • Mark

      What you have said is quite true – I'm glad you caught that!

      • Evermyrtle

        Me too. I did not notice until Liberty mentioned it.

    • listra

      One can not know one can only presume.

    • mexseiko

      Watch the YouTube video debate between Obama and Alan Keys. Keys takes him to sunday school. BTW we missed out on not electing him.

      • listra

        Alan Keyes is a vicious radical. He threw two of his own children out on the street at the age of 16 and 15 because they would not follow his radical ways. He was sued by the state for abuse and his children were taken away and placed in a decent environment.

        • Mary Wood

          Alinsky is a vicious radical. Did you know him personally like Hil or impersonally like BO?

  • GlenBeckisanIdiot

    todays Christians have torn out the Sermon on the Mount and replaced it with Old TEstament angry god scriptures. There are no Christians on the earth anymore, just a lot of angry spoiled brats who want eternity for nothing.

    • cyndlou

      As in water face answereth to face, so the heart of man to man. -Proverbs 27:19 – it's funny how you mention "a lot of angry spoiled brats" . Look at your name "GLENBECKISANIDIOT" you have yourself written all over this post – angry – spoiled – brat – idiot. You said it not me, i just recognized it.

    • Evermyrtle

      There is much being removed from the Bible that "is not relevant anymore", but I promise you it is not Christians doing it, it is radicals who claim to be Christians. To claim to be Christians and doing that, gives more power to Satan and cause dim witted people to begin to believe this stupidity, of removing scriptures as irrelevant!

      It is good that you realize this going on but please, blame the people who are doing it. You need to realize tha because you call you self a Christian simply DOES NOT MAKE YOU A CHRISTIAN, To be a Christian you must learn to walk the walk. talking the talk is not enough.

      • aceituna

        Anyone who thinks parts of the Bible are not relevant any more need to study Revelation 22:18-19

        • Evermyrtle

          You are right! It is right there for every Bible destroyer to read.

        • Old Observer

          Don't forget that the Bible says that in the last days there will be great apostasy. They don't want to have to face the truth, so they are whittling away the parts they don't like. God will hold them to account for that–just before He consigns them to the lake of fire.

  • Evermyrtle

    I have done a little study on what the Islams believe. They have their own Jesus. Their Jesus DID NOT DIE ON THE CROSS AND HE DID NOT RAISE FROM THE GRAVE, is what they claim. They are looking for their Savior back soon, the same as we are. For Obama to speak such words and turn around and do all in his power to oust JESUS CHRIST out of everything that is in his power only shows exactly what he believes and where he stands and that is only another lie but the biggest one yet.

    • cyndlou

      Obama's waited savior is the twelfth Imam – not the living Christ

      • Allen

        And everything I have read and heard concerning the Korans description and character of the 12th imam fulfills the description and character of our Bibles Anti Christ.

        • Evermyrtle

          Amen!!

        • listra

          You haven't read much now have you?

          • Evermyrtle

            Share!!! Sounds like you may have something that we do not, SHARE IT!

      • listra

        There are only a small handful of people awaiting the arrival of the Twelfth Imam and President Obama is not one of them.

        • cyndlou

          and you know him personally – like the voice in is head that you know this? The muslim world is waiting for the Twelfth Imam and Obama is about as muslim as you can get.

          • listra

            I am sorry but you know nothing about Muslim's and their beliefs. Why don't you find out which sect is waiting for the non-existent 12th Imam. You will truly be surprised but since you have never studied the origins of the Muslim faith and the many works of Islam you don't have a clue.
            How can you speak so expertly when you know nothing and only repeat the lies you have been told.
            Do you also disagree with the Hebrew religion?
            Yet you accept a potential president who is a mormon cultist?
            How strange you people are.

          • cyndlou

            i didn't vote for Romney – I take it you are Muslim?

          • Evermyrtle

            What do you know about the Muslims? i would guess that you are one yourself!

            I believe there are some relatively descent ones but there are some that are Islam, Christian hating liberals

          • listra

            Why don't you just not comment about things you know nothing about.
            You sure don't know anything about Muslims or Islam!
            Since when are Muslims liberals. You are terribly confused but then when you are in a state of dementia guess we must forgive your delusional statements.

          • Old Observer

            Obviously, you are as hard-headed as they come. You think we are so stupid we have not studied islam?? I have read the whole Koran–I am not in favor of Romney–but a vote for anyone else will assure a second term for Obama, and that will be the death-knell for our nation as we know it! But perhaps tou are anxiously awaiting the day you don the burkha and must wait for a male relative before you can leave the house for any reason.

          • listra

            Now then I know you have never read the whole or even one verse of the Quran.
            You will love the cult romney will force on you and you too can wear magical underwear.
            I don't believe those of my persuasion and sex wear the burqa. We wear everyday common street clothes.

          • Dave

            Now I know your grasping,
            But that ok This Nation was founded by Christians looking for something better.
            It rose because of the faith Of Jesus Christ as Lord and savior and the principles of His teachings and NOBODY!! I repeat NOBODy can CHANGE THAT!!

          • listra

            Obviously not only have you not read the Quran but you don't have a clue as to this history of the founding of this country.
            It was not founded by christians looking for anything better. No one needs to change the truth so why do you attempt to do this.

          • Dave

            WOW!!! Your attack are amazine? I quest you have nothing better to do and so angry. You don't even know the truth.
            Read the HISTORY books read who were the founding fathers were.
            But again your to lazy to do that and listen to the wrong people!!

          • Evermyrtle

            Did you ever think of the possibility that lystra has a degree in complaining, griping, criticizing those who know so much more and better better that he? Best thing to do is ignore him or her.

          • Mary Wood

            Write on Myrtle!

          • Mary Wood

            Keep up the good work, Myrtle!

    • aceituna

      There is also the fact the Muslims are permitted and sometimes encouraged to tell lies to further their goals. Many people know exactly what Christianity teaches, but still do not believe. Obama probably does and politician like knows that saying he believes these things could help him win the presidency in 2008. To me he seems as if he were a closset Muslim, but the jury still is out as far as I am concerned.

      • Evermyrtle

        in my opinion he does say he is a Christian to get Christian votes. He cannot fool "true walk the walk" Christians

        • listra

          You are really quite silly. Who are you to say what any christian says or does.
          There are so many sects amongst your kind that it is hard to tell who believes what or when. You people can't even agree if your holy day is Saturday or Sunday.
          Or even more whether you can eat the body and blood of your god using wine and a wafer or grape juice and a bread crumb. Rather cannibalistic isn't it?

          • mexseiko

            Muslism come in 2the major flavors: Shia and Suni. Each fighting the other for supremacy killing each other. Iran, Shia, thinks they are elected to usher in the Mahdi, but he is Syrian, not Persian.

          • listra

            Sorry but you are so very wrong. Go to your local mosque and be instructed or look like the fool you present yourself as.

          • Evermyrtle

            Factual comments are always "silly" to the liberal anti-GOD population, it is sad to say.

          • listra

            Obviously you belong to one of the thousands christian sects that are an off-shoot of one of the originals. You are, I believe, a jehovah's witness. At least you are preaching like one.

          • Evermyrtle

            I belong to JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD, HE is my SAVIOR along with many many millions of people around the world. This is a sect that you can only belong to, if you know HIM and accept HIM as the SAVIOR OF ALL MANKIND.

          • listra

            How long have you been enslaved by this lying JC? Are you speaking about the Palestinian guy or any number of them that were walking around in the old dark days?
            Goodness graciousness can you imagine worshipping anything that would enslave you other than a great aperitif!

          • Evermyrtle

            I may be wrong, because I cannot see that GOD will forgive you for this awful sin against HIS SON But, the scriptures do say that you can sin against JESUS CHRIST and be foorgiven but if you sin against the HOLY GHOST, there is no forgiveness. I did not say this to anger you, so please do be careful about your sins.

          • listra

            Must disappoint you there Sir,
            I have no sins. Holy ghost or holy spigot makes no difference. Ghosts are always present at Halloween Services. They are nearly here make sure and prepare for that great Holy Day.
            You believe in sins…you must be a very evil person.

          • Old Observer

            Amen!

          • cyndlou

            At least my god doesn't ask me to die to go to heaven – He laid His life down for me and all I have to do is love Him and be in relationship with Him. So there it is Christianity – a personal relationship with the ONE AND ONLY TRUE GOD, the one who dies to redeem those who choose to receive Him as their personal Savior – you unfortunately, have been deceived by a false god. May the true God have mercy on your soul.

          • listra

            Fear not! I don't believe in souls. Have you ever seen one? Maybe a ghost once or twice at a Halloween worship service but that is the extent of it.

          • Old Observer

            Someday you will stand before God and find out you certainly do have a soul! The one sin that will definitely send you to the lake of fire is rejecting Jesus. Guess you better start getting ready for a very warm future!

          • listra

            Of course you are so perceptive. How did you know I love the hot weather.
            That is why I have one home in Palm Springs so I need not ever be in the cold in winter.
            Worry about yourself as you are a sinner obviously.
            I do not sin. Have no reason to as I have no strictures in my life.

          • Evermyrtle

            Old Observer, it is so sad isn't it, that listra is so lost, to GOD and to HIS SON JESUS CHRIST!!.

          • newmantic

            Do you believe in air? Ever seen it?

          • listra

            No! I do not believe in AIR. It requires no belief as it is an element and no belief is required. Do you believe in Atomic particles?

          • cyndlou

            have you ever seen oxygen? try convincing me that doesn't exist either – better yet, don't waste your time.

          • listra

            Have you ever seen demos at JPL or Cal Tech that will show you exactly what O
            looks like and its molecular functions.

          • cyndlou

            you are unbelievably hopeless – are you trying to tell me you've seen oxygen with your naked eye – because there is just as much evidence that our souls exists but you don't believe that – how sad

          • Evermyrtle

            It is quite obvious, exactly where you stand, with the Muslim Islam anti-GOD peoples.

          • Evermyrtle

            Wonderful true post, of one of HIS children!!

          • Old Observer

            And you say we are ignorant of Islam?? The varieties in "Christian" groups are what happen when men try to override God and set up their own rules. Do a little research–do yourself a favor and find out what a true Christian is.

          • listra

            There is no such thing as a true christian as there is no true christ.
            There is only that gory fable recorded in your book of myths, lies and fairy tales.
            Take hold of reality. On the other had don't bother you couldn't handle it.

          • newmantic

            Please take your own advise about not speaking about that which you know nothing about. Thank you.

          • listra

            Unlike you and yours I speak about that of which I know a great deal. I have had many years studying the religions and myths of human kind. That included the thousands of sects that call themselves christians in the U.S.
            Please check your spelling,
            Thank You ever so much.

        • 1MuzicMan

          Does a Patriot turn his back on the Flag of the United States of America, Admits attending USA Flag burning sessions, refuse to say the Pledge of Allegience and The National Anthem?? Absolutely Not!!!! Whether he's Muslim or Christian only God and Obama know this. However, Obama has never been filmed or recorded doing any of these Patriot Acts. Look it up!! Watch and listen for yourself, its all over the net. All this in itself proves what he and the rest of the leaders we keep in office and all the Bildaburghs and Golden Sacs' money support to do just what the slogan said in the last election…….. "Change". To Destroy 'The Constitution of the United States' This Country and everything it stands for…. Life, Freedom and Liberty and Death to anyone who apposes it. He was put in there, not elected, to be a puppet and do just exactly what he is told…….. from a teleprompter. Money a Lobbying have controlled this country since it was founded. The perspective has turned however from Jesus Christ, The Son Of God, to GREED.

          • listra

            "Golden Sacs"
            You do know what is in the golden sacs don't you?
            A lovely set of testes for the ever longing teabaggers.
            Look up what teabaggers do for fun.

          • Evermyrtle

            Amen! I00% on the head!!

      • listra

        Perhaps that is where he hides his prayer rugs and goes to that very closet 5 times a day.

    • listra

      Obviously you have done NO study about Islam. Get your terms straight first of all. Islam is one of the three so-called most important religions of mankind. They do NOT have their own jesus that is your invention. They consider however, that he was a prophet if he did exist and there are many others.
      What words did you hear President Obama state that you heard him speak? You can not, of course, answer nor will you.
      Our President Obama, though not of my faith, will be elected by the people of the United States who need to have a government that is concerned with their welfare and not in lining the pockets of all the wealthy.
      When it is imposed upon you to purchase vouchers, may the gods forgive such a thought, but that is what will happen if romney gets in, and Medicare will be by vouchers and you will get nothing. I do hope you are less than 50 years of age as if you are over 60 it will all be over for you.

      • Ronald

        I am really sorry to hear the words that you seem to believe about the man that occupies OUR WHITE HOUSE. He will not be re-elected. He is the one lining the so-called pockets of the wealthy. He is also the one who said if you built a successful business, "You didn't do it." Well that is wrong and there are plenty of them out there that did it and had no help from the government. Also my president doesn't bow to heads of state, he shakes hands, he also does not tell the world that America is not a Christian Country. My president doesn't stomp all over the Constitution and the Bill of RIghts or the Declaration of Independence. So if this is the man you want to follow, take him and leave and go to the other side of the world.

        • listra

          You wouldn't know the truth if you saw it with your own two eyes. It isn't "our" Whitehouse it is the recognized home of a current sitting president and his family.
          My president bows to whomever he pleases. Beats having him walk in the rose garden hand in hand with his Saudi lover.(ala GWB)
          He has yet to to anything to the documents you mentioned other than helping to update them which is much needed. This is NOT a christian country…get over it…it has never been one. It is a diverse country made up of all kinds and types of people and other animals.
          So to make your next four years very happy can we send you enough money to get you out of the US? Perhaps you would like Mexico. It is very nice there.

        • Evermyrtle

          Ronald, don't waste your efforts, he cannot understand what you are saying!!!

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/June-Gagnon/1673686634 June Gagnon

        Oh, NOW we get it- -your "religion" is "entitlements"- -you're one of the 50% who doesn't pay any taxes- -nor do you contribute to the "upkeep" of this nation; you ARE one of the "takers" of welfare, disability, unemployment, etc., etc. So, of course you want "your president" to be re-elected, so you can keep "collecting" what the rest of US have worked for!

        • listra

          No! Like you leader I pay from 13 to 21% on my income and pay for your kind to run around and take all the freebies you can get.
          Obviously you know so much about all the entitlements you must really be on the take.

      • Mary Wood

        Romney-Ryan 2012-2020 NO APOLOGY

  • Evermyrtle

    John 16:2-3
    2 They shall put you out of the synagogues yes, the time comes, that whosoever kills you will think that he does GOD service
    3. And these things will the do unto you, because thy have not known the FATHER nor ME

  • Sharon

    What can I say you'll know them by their fruits!!

  • P.K.

    I think Jesus' idea of us helping our fellow man was for it to be OUR idea NOT the government confiscating our wealth to re-distribute it to the poor. Jesus would want us to hold people accountable for their actions and if we saw them squandering our kindness, we would talk to them and give consequences to their selfish behavior. The government should NOT be in the business of helping the poor. That's the job of the Church and a role we relinquished when the "professionals" came along and said they could do it better.
    The Christians in the U.S.A. are very kind and loving in how they give money to help the poor and go on mission trips to build houses, dig wells for clean water, teach Vacation Bible School, do medical missions, etc.
    Jesus was more interested in the heart of a man, not the color of his skin or how much money he made. His priority was that mankind acknowledge God as Lord and bring them to a right relationship with Him.
    Besides the social divisiveness of Mr. Obama concerning the unborn, marriage (the basic building block to the family and community), and the promotion of the homosexual lifestyle, he has divided this country between the different races and folks who work hard to succeed and those who don't.

    • cyndlou

      exactly – becasue He was very specific on who we were suppose to HELP not support – the widow, the fatherless, the traveler passing through and if someone asks for help, we are to help them, not enable them to sit on their duffs for life. That makes us just as bad as them if we act as their savior preventing Jesus from taking His rightful place in their lives. Can't hit your knees if the government or anyone else keeps holding you up.

    • Chris

      So your idea of Christianity is to throw the poor under the bus. Your charity scheme doesn't work because Americans die and yet churches give to Africa while handing out a dose of hate for gays that gets the gays killed.

      • SouthernLadyNC

        Find another tack, Chris. That old dog don't hunt any more. How many LGBT chapters do you know that have food pantries for ANYONE who needs it? How many LGBT chapters do you know that have clothing giveaways for anyone who needs them? My own sister is gay and I love her – that doesn't mean that I must condone her lifestyle though.

        • Evermyrtle

          Amen, he is always on the attack, something wrong there, I wonder what it is!!!

      • Evermyrtle

        How many poor people have you supported or is it that you want us to support you?

      • listra

        Calm down Chris. These people are just uneducated yokels who can only repeat what they have heard. Not one of them has studied any other christian religion not to mention Islam of Judaism.
        They can only reproduce the hate speech poured out by those such as Chuckabee. You know the really fat guy who was supposedly a governor yet had the lowest ratings amongst all governors in the US and was thrown out.
        You do know the reasons these great christian examples support these so-called missions is it keeps them coming to america.
        Just remember what it states on the base of the lady with the lamp….
        Give me your tired, your poor, your hungry yearning to be free…etc.
        They don't accept this either because it doesn't state unless you believe in their strange god form you can't come in.
        Have a lovely day and weekend.

        • Evermyrtle

          These uneducated yokels have really gotten your number, as a JESUS CHRIST hating liberal!!!

          Hate speech?? Really?? You should be ashamed of yourself for teaching us hate speech!! I had no idea that is what you had in mind or I would have been a little more careful.

          • listra

            You uneducated yokels have gotten nothing I don't care one wit about any of the jc's you worship. You sure jump to conclusions you moronic hater of all those who are not like you. Thank the winds that your numbers are in very short supply and going fast.
            SIR,
            you have been taught nothing other than the wrong parts of a failing religion much less hate speech. It seems as though you are the one who hates all those who don't believe in your fairy tale religion. You are very delusional and should see a good Psychiatrist and get over yourself and your involvement with this compulsion of yours.
            Now go to your little jehovah's witness meeting and have fun.

          • Evermyrtle

            You really are smart you can see my name and know if I pay taxes, if I use medicare, if I receive Social Security, you know that I am uneducated. Did you know that I live in a house? and went to school through the first grade, am of mixed ancestry, and what the ancestry happens to be?

    • listra

      I do hope you don't take social security, Medicare or Medical. Don't ride on public roads or use hospitals near you. Don't ever place your kids in a school. And, by all means make certain you churches pay real taxes on the properties they hold.
      If you don't get the picture you already are getting a lot of free things from this government.
      Churches force payment in one way or another for the little help they dole out. I do hope a number of unwashed under the bridge dwellers come and sit next to you on Sunday during your services or Saturday if that's your day. Let us see how you treat them.

      • Evermyrtle

        Why not, we paid for it?. Many couples have paid for 100 years, for Social Security, property tax, road tax, school tax and every kind of tax, thrown at us,why should we not accept what we have paid, when we no longer can work. After all you are probably sucking it up, and don't want to share. Did you pay for yours?

        • listra

          Since you accept Medicare (You won't have it if you vote for the cult worshipper)
          You will cute little vouchers that will provide you with nothing all for $6000 a year.
          This of all you get for those taxes and you forgot your church that pays no taxes yet uses every service it can for free.
          That which you have paid into SS will never cover what you have already gotten back so you are indeed, accepting socialism! Just don't run around telling everybody they get everything for free when you are standing there with your hand out.

          • Evermyrtle

            Of Course I accept Medicare, I paid for it! How about you do you, will you accept it, have you paid for it? My husband and I paid into SS between us for nearly 100 years. He never received one cent. The last day he lived he worked 12 hours, out of which he paid his last share of SS taxes. He paid in thousands of dollars a year in SS taxes.

            How about you, will you accept Social Security or wonderful citizen that you are will you refuse it? you didn't answer that question!

            By the way, I don't worship a cult, I worship GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST!!! I am presuming that you worship at the feet of our liberal president. Am I wrong??

            My church paying taxes?? Is there some way that can be any of your business. Does your liberal church, or whatever it is you call the thing that you worship, pay taxes?? If you are not involved in some organization which pays taxes, why should I be??

          • listra

            Of course you accept a hand out from this government. You have also received back more than you have ever paid into it.
            You DO belong to a cult and I checked and found your religion a very low-level religion on the scale of true christian religions as practiced in the U.S.
            As to worshipping at the feet of our President Obama who is NOT a liberal but a progressive…I have not seen his feet. Will check for you next time I see him.
            As to you so-called church..along with all the others should be forced to pay taxes on all their properties, income etc. They are just there for a free ride and to get whatever they can from the government.
            I do not belong to any group that does not pay taxes. I believe everyone and every entity should pay taxes with the exception of those who are too poor as set up by the IRS guidelines. This is how this nation runs. Didn't you know the police department, the fire department, the water department, the road department, the hospitals and schools use this money that provide you with their services. Now then, what is that thing you worship called again? Does it pay taxes? Do you?
            I know the cultist you support does not pay taxes on most of his investments and pays the most minimal tax in the US. What a guy. He really needs to show all of us his tax returns for the last 12 years.

          • Evermyrtle

            I believe that you are comparing the rest of us with yourself, just because you have been cashing in heavily on medicare does not mean that we as Conservatives are doing the same thing.

            Just because you pay no taxes do not think Conservatives do not pay taxes. If you are referring to JESUS paying taxes, it all belongs to JESUS, HE AND HIS FATHER created the world and everything in it, even you and it belongs to them.

            Romney, I believe told your king if he would present his own records, that he would present his records. Give me one reason why Romney should show his records if Obam refuses to show his.

            Oh I did know all of that, even though I am a "yokel" living in the back woods. I come out into the open once every year. Have you ever comeout of hiding in the backwoods? Our town has a population of 75 people living here, we even have street lights and a water system. We even live in houses here. Good gracious grandmaw, we even have a store. A few of the children even get to go to school.!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • listra

            You are way off base there old f#@t! I don't receive Medicare or Social Security and never will. Don't need any government handouts and too young to get it in any event.
            There is NO way I could cash in on Medicare. My business is not directed to that age group. Romney has not presented his tax reports, investment reports etc. All of that has been presented by both President Obama and Vice President Bidden.
            All his other records are available. You have been told so often that they are sealed that you believe it. You are so naive you would believe anything and it is obvious you do.

          • Evermyrtle

            "You have been told, so often"….. My greatest idea of what is important to understand and believe is found GOD'S WORD, it is known as the Bible. I believe every word in it to be true. It teaches me that one day the world will be perfected and HIS people will live here for all eternity and we will have no anti-GOD evil on it.We will not need Medicare or Social Security, HE will be out Security. You need to get rid of all of that hate and ignorance and accept the truth and JESUS CHRIST, so that your will be accepted live here with us.

          • Old Observer

            No use saying anything to this one–he's hard as nails and just as blind. Time to start ignoring him.

  • Road Revolution

    Obama knows nothing about Jesus…. other than using it for his own manipulation and con game. Obama is a liar, a deceiver and he insults the very name of Jesus by claiming to be a Christian. How did he treat Billy Graham, Easter, the National Day of Prayer, his views on abortion and homosexuality are not Christian based…. and everything Christian about our nation… he does not believe in any Chrisitan principles…. including when he said he believes there are "many" paths to God…. and ALL Christians know there is only one way… and that is through Jesus Christ!

    • Chris

      As against the lying Republicans who took us to war in Iraq.

      • Allen

        Thanks to William Clinton

      • listra

        How do you know when a republican is lying…if his mouth is moving!
        That was the Bush/Cheney policy and they lied to everyone equally while they stood by watching the U.S. kill thousands of innocent men, women and children and laughed.
        Wonderful people those charitable repubs.

        • Evermyrtle

          I think that is the description of liberals mouths!!

          • listra

            Sir,
            We clearly told you that this is how one knows when a republidunce is lying.
            It is no way describes Progressives or Socialists or Communist (although one can hardly find a living fossil who claims to hold communistic values. They are gone.)
            Sad but true.
            Watch your cult leader romney as he lies daily and is unable to clearly speak one sentance with or without a teleprompter.

          • Evermyrtle

            Romney is not mine, the one I claim is JESUS CHRIST, Romney is just a man, but not mine.

    • listra

      There are as many paths as there is sand on a beech. Obviously if one does not believe in your particular christian sect than others who unlike you take another path are not proper christians. You are so very wrong.
      As to you statement on Homosexuals…have you ever heard the quaint saying, "god doesn't make any junk."
      After all he made each person in his own image according to your beliefs..

      • Evermyrtle

        I know only one way to heaven, and that is through the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. Please,list some of these unknown ways to heaven, enlighten us in the way that you see things. This will surly assist us in our teachings on how to get to heaven.

        • listra

          Just check out what is taught by the RC, the Lutheran, the Presbyterian and the Episcopal and Methodist churches.
          There are many ways to an afterlife…especially if you believe in fables.

          • Evermyrtle

            I don't want to check it out, I might misunderstand it. I need you to explain it so that I can get all the information concerning it.

            I do know that all the sources you mentioned accept "THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS AS THE ONLY WAY TO HEAVEN."

          • listra

            You are really something and it doesn't smell good.
            Can't you do anything for yourself.
            Don't ask me again for a reference to guide you to the truth just go on living your made up lie.

          • Evermyrtle

            I can tell you a few things that you do not have a clue about, especially about JESUS CHRIST AND HIS FATHER, GOD. I can tell when your are lying. I knew all of the time that you could not give me any references! That is why I asked for them. I had the best idea that you would try to hand me some misinformation because you had no truth. I certainly not ask for info expecting the truth. I will pray that GOD will lead you to the truth.

          • listra

            You blooming fool.
            SIR
            I gave you a full list of those churches who are mainline in the U.S. and who state in their statements of faith that they hold there are many ways to a satisfying afterlife.
            Since I do not believe in an afterlife it makes no difference what they believe as far as I am concerned. So, don't claim you had no answer. You have yet to answer one question presented to you.
            I do hope you have good care for your dementia.

          • Old Observer

            You missed mine—a non-denominational church, not associated with any "sect" based solely on the Bible and faith in Jesus Christ.P{eel away all the crap and you just might find the truth–but you obviously won't. You are the most hate-filled individual i have encountered on any of these sites!

          • listra

            You religious association does not count. It is NOT a MAJOR Mainstream religion.
            Back to the drawing board with you and try again…another approach might be interesting.
            I do not hate you or anyone else on this site. There is enough hate amongst all of you to cover each other in it.
            If anyone appears here and they don't agree with your myths you rule them outside the limits. Tough. You have an open chance to learn how others live.

          • Evermyrtle

            Sorry, listra, it does count to those who are important.

          • Evermyrtle

            Excellent information, thanks!! I always love to hear of another church, that I don't know about who stands strongly for JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD

          • Mary Wood

            Myrtle, you are too nice this listra man.

  • Guest

    Just as Satan in his illegitimate futile effort to unseat God to be God, Obama can never be America's leader because he is incapable of leading, and his heart is absent of America.

  • john

    Satan also knows scripture and uses it when necessary. (Matt 4:1-11) And like the article says… you shall know them by their fruit. His fruits are lies, deception and half-truths. Sounds more like a "child of the devil" than a "Child of God."

    • Evermyrtle

      He knows what every verse means, too and in turn can describe every verse incorrectly and make it sound legit. Watch out and be careful for in comments on blogging sites.

  • Mexseiko

    Obama is president today thanks to Christians like Colin Powell. He was a Republican and a Christian, but opted for putting that aside because there's a black candidate on the ballot, regardless of what he stood for. Actually they even disregarded that he is half black. Because it wasn't even about race, but about color. The nation and the American culture are spoiled, because Christian hold the name of Christ in vane while looking away from issues contrary to biblical precepts reminiscent of Confederate Christians praying for victory in a war to preserve slavery. It's all a freak contradiction.

    • Evermyrtle

      You can blame only each voter who blindly voted for this excuse. Colen Powell had very little influence on these blind ones.

      • Mex Seiko

        I mentioned Colin Powell as a mere example of so any Christian African-Americans who in addition to those who already vote Democrat, being Republicans, threw even that ideal away to vote skin color, ignoring that Obama is neither black nor Christian. Additionally, it turns out he's not a real Democrat, but a full blown Communist, which denied loudly his Christianity.
        Edgardo.

  • Jerry

    How can anyone believe Obama is a Christian? Especially when he continues to take scripture out of context in order to denigrate Christians and make statements such as saying these people "hold onto their guns and religion." It is also evident that while he ignores many Christian Holy days, (except where he may gain points) he never fails to acknowledge every Islamic holy day. Is he a Muslim? That I cannot answer but he definitely caters to the Islamic world. Even more is disclosed in the book, 'THE COMING: A TRUE STORY OF HORROR' @ amazon.com
    http://www.amazon.com/The-Coming-True-Story-Horror/dp/1469955652/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1345638923&sr=8-1&keywords=the+coming+a+true+story+of+horror

    • listra

      I know of many who don't observe the christian holy days whatever they may be.
      Where in your bible does it say to hold onto their guns and religion.
      Are you just learning to read and you can not yet comprehend?

      • Evermyrtle

        Listra, they did not have guns in Bible times, they used swords and indeed they were advised to have swords.

        • listra

          All they had were swords? What a violent group you follow. So you run around town shaking your swords at people. Wonder you haven't been put away long ago.

  • Chris

    The only people doing the denouncing are the crazy people on the right wing who are materialistic, war mongering, violent, don't care about looking after the planet, don't care about "God's" creatures or anything but themselves. Totally clueless like Mitt about overpopulation and resource decline.

    • Sama

      what a crock!
      Overpopulation … how about a little restraint on the part of folks who cannot support children. Their '5 min"? of pleasure is all that matters.

      • listra

        Right on! Condoms for everyone.

    • Allen

      I like what Newt G said , It is kinda hard to sit down at a negotiating table to negotiate when the guy across the table wants to kill you. Demorats will negotiate til hell freezes over then wonder why the Republicans , HAVE TO GO TO WAR.

      • listra

        The republicunts go to war to get more and more money to feed their greedy natures.
        It takes a Democratic Nation to bring peace and prosperity back and wrest the control of government from the ever diminishing old white man.

    • Evermyrtle

      We only consider ourselves as Conservatives. Right Wing is a group that conservatives do not mess with.

      • Old Observer

        They are trying to reduce OUR population numbers while all the illegal immigrants deliver a baby a year—-they know they can't beat us in a war, so they are working to change us by changing the demographic—to outnumber Christians in favor of their anticipated global caliphate.

        • listra

          You are already are outnumbered in the US and are now the minority race.
          We have a whole new group of people who will face this brave new world.
          Your attendance is not needed nor wanted nor do you have power any longer.

      • listra

        Take you rightful place at the head of the line.
        You represent the ultra right wing conservative religious nuts and no one in the real world really cares about you or not.
        You represent a small fringe group, make a lot of noise and produce NO change.

    • Old Observer

      No, Chris–we are the ones who know the truth–you are angry because deep down you know you are in the wrong, but you don't want to change.

      • listra

        Deep down Chris knows he is right therefore he has no guilt nor anger whereas you go about roaring about nothing real nor imagined only tales born of wishful thinking.

        • Old Observer

          Just read the Bible—but, oh, yes–to you guys it's just a book of myths. There are none so blind as those who will not see–

  • Abiathar

    If Jesus died for Mr Obams's sins and he really believed it, he would repent of them. But we have no evidence of that, just the opposite as reference his satanic inspired sodomite agenda. Evidence points to Mr Obama as a reprobate who is liable to damnation without repentance.

    • listra

      Like most of the rest of us in this universe we don't believe in sin nor accept it as a viable option.
      Therefore, it makes no difference that President Obama does not believe in a dead jesus!
      Are you calling all gays and lesbians satanic? How homophobic can you get.
      Don't you believe your version of god created human kind in its image?

  • Luzmark1

    He thinks he in the narrow way but but missed that fork in the road and has been on the broad way from early on.He tells God what he's going to do for Him.

    • SouthernLadyNC

      Yes, and God is not pleased that he has told Him he'd do one thing and done another time and time again.

  • Perley

    The lies of this person make Bill Clinton look like a respectable God fearing man.

    • listra

      How you people do change you story when skin color is involved…
      Have a nice day racist!

  • woetothewicked

    you will know them by their fruits

  • Randy131

    When does life begin? We all know at conception, but when did GOD insert our soul into the body that life began for us? Was that also at conception? Was it the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd trimester, or maybe when we emerged from our mother's womb. I believe the soul is carried by the sperm, but that's just my belief, but I think nobody knows for sure. What the question should really be, since nobody knows for sure, is should we risk killing a living thing that has a soul from GOD, and if we don't know when that is, shouldn't we act with the utmost caution and the side of safety, and not perform an abortion that will kill a living being that might have a soul? It is said that those souls of aborted babies will be at the judgement of GOD for those who had an abortion, to show testimony and ask why of the soul who GOD is judging, and one's answer will probably have a lot to do with GOD's judgemnt on that person. Though that person who had an abortion will have one soul at it's judgement by GOD, to show testimony and ask why, those who perform, provide, and convince others to have an abortion will have many, maybe as high as thousands, of souls at their judgement to also ask why, but those who support abortion rights will have millions of souls at their judgement by GOD, to also show testimony and ask why, which I'm sure GOD will take into consideration upon his judgement of those who had an abortion, or performed, provided, and convinced others to have an abortion, and those who supported abortions to be done legally. What a frightening and crowded judgement many will go through for the crime of abortion and the killing of GOD's innocent children, who He inserted with a soul.

    • daves

      If the souls are in the sperm then aren't there already millions of them getting killed before conception?

      Just because someone doesn't want the government to arrest women or doctors for abortions doesn't mean they are not Christian. To me it seems more Christian to forgive.

      • Randy131

        Only GOD can kill or destroy a soul, and most are not joined with an egg to form a new life with a soul in the first attempt. We can forgive people's actions againat us, but only GOD can forgive sin. GOD gave us all the gift of a 'Free Will' to choose the actions we want to take, and either be rewarded for our choice, or condemned, on our judgement day.

      • Evermyrtle

        It is not up to us to forgive, that is GOD'S privilege! It is the duty of the Christian to be sure you hear the truth, if you refuse to listen, we are told to go our way and leave you alone, not to judge, leave you alone.

        • daves

          You shouldn't judge people who have abortions – you should just leave them alone?

          • Evermyrtle

            We don't judge them, we just tell them it is wrong according to GOD'S WORD which says, "Thou shall not Kill!" This is a task GOD gave us, to teach HIS laws, HE will do the judging, not us?

          • daves

            I wish all Christians were like you Evermyrtle!

          • listra

            Why then do all of you go about judging not only your kind but everyone else that would deign to disagree with you.

          • listra

            What a novel idea. Nothing but a bunch of busybodies without lives.

      • listra

        Very interesting concept. Imagine all those little rascals getting out of hand (as it were)
        and getting themselves killed or murdered. After-all think of whom they all could become.
        The best thing for these superheated religious right wing nuts to do is DON"T HAVE AN ABORTION! But we humbly request that you stop bringing your wives, daughters, sisters, cousins etc. to our clinics for their abortions and then ask to use a false name or other identity. Happens all the time. One day we were watching a rather good sized group come in and low and behold there were three of those nasty baptist women being brought in by their minister for abortions. He signed them in as Micky, Minnie and Olive.
        He then paid for their abortions saying he was just doing his duty for his congregant's daughters. Two of them said while they were being prepped that he was the father.
        What a guy a great baptist minister carries on the old ways.

    • listra

      What strange reasoning. Don't know much about Biology do you.
      You need to sign up with the wayward political right winger who claims women do not get pregnant when raped.
      Sperm has NO soul and women can get pregnant when raped.

  • Pazuzu

    Obama is a despot. "Sic semper tyrannus".

    • listra

      Better check on the meaning of the word despot. Also you Latin is way off base! Did you find this quaint saying on your bubble-gum wrapper?

  • am2sweet

    While growing up if someone said one thing and did the opposite they were referred to as being 'two faced'. I'm sure the same still holds true. Probably why my mother always said it's not what a person says but what they do.

    • http://www.facebook.com/1loafing1 Ken Frasier

      I am sure obama is not two faced. If he was, why would he wear the ugly one all the time?

  • Gmarshall

    By their fruits shall ye know them…….

    • listra

      Have you noticed all the fruits and nuts found in the religious right and the rest of the republicons.

  • reid

    I think he is mistaking Che Quevera (Sp) for Jesus

  • David S.

    Obama and Jesus should never be used in the same sentence. Ditto for Romney.

    • Evermyrtle

      Amen!!

  • Stealth

    Just get your butts out and VOTE Obumma OUT for crying out loud!!

    • listra

      To think we will all be getting out to vote all the living and the dead. Those that have been quickened and those that wait.
      We will win and again be fortunate to have this great president serve us again.

  • Skyknight

    He lied when he said he was a Christian, but Muslims are allowed to do that.

    • Evermyrtle

      They are encouraged to do that.

      • listra

        Mr. Expert Ever and where did you find that written in the Quran?
        No answer? Right! It is not there. That makes you quite a prevaricator.
        Fortunately people do not flock to you for information about the religions of human kind.

  • DEBRA

    This imposter in chief wouldn't know how to tell the truth. He is not a Christian and never was. He's a Muslim through and through and has deceived millions. Sounds a bit like the devil himself doesn't it?

    • listra

      How can you a non Muslim make such a statement. You do not know him nor do you know his heart. He is a Christian as is his wife and family. Why would you deny him access to one part of his family history.
      We all are what we are. He does not represent any devil you can conjure up in your small mind. You wouldn't know a true Muslim if you found them sitting next to you. How about his Jewish roots do you hate him for that also?

  • Evermyrtle

    This will tell you where Rick Warren stands. Christian??

  • joshuasweet

    taqiyya and kitman., under the Qur'an (40:28) allows Obama to lie to Non-believers

    • listra

      There is NO verse that allows one to lie either to others of kind nor to non-believers. I have noticed with certainty that christians lie all the time! Why? Because they bear no responsibility to tell the truth as they are already forgiven for everything from lying to murder. They obviously feel they can commit these acts with impunity. I understand you can even be forgiven at the moment of your death without having made restitution. How about that for not bearing responsibility for your sins…as you people call them.

  • Rosebud15

    His mouth does not go along with his actions. He is Christian in name only!

  • 32eagle

    excellent smokescreen this muslim uses to cloak reality -this christian spy already has a nobel- now he wants an academy award for best performance of a real USA citizen by a muslim illegal alien

  • Deepizzaguy

    Obama is a Christian in name only. His actions speak completely are not like Christlike like support of gay marriage and abortion.

    • listra

      Most people in the US support gay families and abortion. Can you state that they are not christians?

  • Guest

    As foir Rick Warren… you are known by those with whom you associate… such the apostate pastor you are.

    • listra

      But he is one of your true leaders. You worship at his feet and leads you into all those safe pastures.

  • Evermyrtle

    The only way that he lives like JESUS is that both breathed, and walked. If he had said that he lived like "the arch enemy," I would have agreed.

    • listra

      Sorry but your version of jesus is dead very dead. Didn't you hear he was crucified…yuk, yuk, yuk! By his best buddies! Why do worship this dead body. You see the dead body in all the christian churches hanging up on the wall upon a cross. Bad representation should be and X not a Tau.

  • http://openid.aol.com/botighecatfan Joeboo

    What a joke..the baby killer, supporter of homosexual marriages, follower of Jeremiah Wright and a registered muslim (as a student in Indonesia) claims to be a Christian????Just another of Obama's blatant lies. He has an appointment for the lake of fire.

    • listra

      And tell us who gave you the right to condemn this man. He has never killed a baby but romney has killed many elderly and sick people and will even do more.

      • Mary Wood

        LISTRA: "He [Obama] has never killed a baby…" Obama's voting record on abortion:
        http://www.ontheissues.org/social/barack_obama_abortion.htm#Voting_Record

        • listra

          You believe in american what?
          President and Secretary of state Clinton would hardly qualify in our world as Progressives. They are far toooooo conservative.
          If Secretary of State Clinton wishes to run for president she will have to loosen up and wake up to Social Progressivism.
          If you think that he has killed anyone you are very wrong. Think of the millions your president Bush and Reagan who killed hundreds of thousands living and innocent men women and children with their wars based upon greed and more money for their companies.
          As you can see god hates republicons. He has sent this wonderful hurricaine into the area to disrupt their days of lies and perversion. I understand all the hookers that were lined up by the RNC to entertain those good republicons are really disappointed. What a lot of money you people waste on sex, drugs and rock and roll. To think you people are the conservative party of morality. Can't wait to read the stats next Friday.

  • Anita M

    It says in the Bible that Jesus said there would be those that cried Lord, Lord, but He said to them depart as I did not know you. In other words, you can say that you are a Christian, but only in words, not in faith, soul or deed.

    • evermyrtle

      You are right, to be a Christian you have to walk the walk of a Christian. Saying you are a Christian means nothing unless you live like a Christian.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/David-B-Severy/557985964 David B Severy

    We have all wanted and gotten things that God did not want us to have, and done things He didn't want us to do. But if we all our ives make no effort to be conformed by God into the likeness of His Son we will have missed the most rewarding thing in life, to reflect back to God His own Glory and Magnify (make easier for others to see) His Name! Perhaps the saddest thing about politics is that politicians are so often only seeking to please men, and forget God and what it will mean to please Him.

  • edinflorida

    There is no intelligent explanation as to why President Obama professes to be a Christian while constantly condemning Christianity and praising Islam at every opportunity. God said "for I am a Jealous God and there will be no other Gods before me." If a Christian recognizes another God then that Christian is no more. God will not know them.

    • listra

      What about those who couldn't care less? I don't accept your christianity nor your gods all three versions of them and who are you to tell me where and what will happen to my in my afterlife.

  • don

    if he is talking to you an me he has to lie. cause he knows WE do not want for this country what he does.

    • listra

      And where did you come from?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003961394056 Lauritz Heinze

    Okay so the guy is a lying pig and Rick Warren isn't much better!

    • listra

      Not nice to speak of you leaders in such an evil way. Your gods will punish you.

  • bill1776

    Obama will say anything to get elected. The good book says by their fruits you shall know them. Obama is for abortion, same sex marriages, homosexuals in the military and had a homosexual sodomite party in the white house. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. A vote for Obama is a vote against God!

    • listra

      When did he hold a gay party? Show us your evidence or shut up!

    • Guest

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      When did he hold a gay party? Show us your evidence or shut up!

      • bill1776

        Reply to Guest: The homosexual sodomite party was duing so called Jay pride month. You must not read the news papers or keep up with the news. There were pictures of homosexual on the front page of most news papers. One of the homosexuals were giving a picture of Reagan the finger. The news and pictures were also on TV. The following is quote from Obama at the homosexual sodomite party. "NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA,President of the United States of
        America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and
        laws of the United States, do hereby proclaim June 2009 as Lesbian,
        Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Pride Month. I call upon the people of
        the United States to turn back discrimination and prejudice everywhere
        it exists".

        • listra

          Thank all those of the great spirits who gave us our blessed president.
          He had the good sense to create a proclamation in June 2009 to advise all that
          no longer will our third gender be dismissed.
          There was no sodomite party he merely held a signing.
          If you don't wish to participate don't do so.
          As far as Planned Parenthood it is not that which you portray it to be.
          Now as to giving reagan the finger couldn't be done to a better person.
          He single handedly stopped all research into finding cures for AIDS. He was the biggest prick of all times and here his son is ever so gay.
          What a sad, sick man he was but then he did have Alzheimer's disease before he was ever pseudo-president..

          • bill1776

            Reply to listra: There is nothing blessed about Obama he is turning our country into Sodom and Gomorrah. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. You sound like an ungodly mentally sick person full of hate I will be praying for you.

          • listra

            And you are obviously a homophoble. Who cares about S & G we are more interested in S & M.
            Don't pray for me as I am not intgerested in any xian bloviating.

        • Bar-Eliam

          I have read this again and can't believe that you believe the what you have written.
          Bill 1776 you need to clean up your act.

          • http://www.facebook.com/howard.grant.90 Howard Grant

            Reply to Bar-Ellam: Why does Bill need to clean up his act what he posted is true? Obama made that statement at the queer sodomite party he had in the white house about a year ago. Obama's statement is on the internet. The queer sodomite party he had in the white house this year is the one that made front page news, showing one of the ungodly queers giving the finger to a picture of Reagan. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah! Did you see the democrat delegates at the democrat convention boo and hiss God and Israel the only friend we have in the Middle East? The democrat party is a dark side evil party, no true Christian should stay in that party. I didn't leave the democrat party they left me. Howard, Independent

          • Bar-Eliam

            You are so homophobic I wouldn't trust my young nephews around you for one minute. They are all over 15 so they are very secure in what they are but now…you…that is another story.
            Let us see they had a Xmas party in the White House last Xmas. Obviously this means every one there is an xian. Regan should have more than the finger and indeed, he was given much more. A very long life with 1/4 of it spent in Alzheimer's dementia and crazy as a loon. He wasn't too bright when he was here. Like Romney he too will do what Reagan did and throw those who have real medical
            needs and research that must be done will be thrown under the bus. He too is
            very scared of the gay community. Check out how he went to the gay parties in France while he was supposed to be converting the French to his wacko religion.
            So it does look as tho Regan's version of god really hated him for keeping him in his own crazed mind.

      • bill1776

        Reply to Guest: Obama had a homosexual sodomite party in the white house
        June 22, 2012. President Obama has launched TV ads in
        selected media markets that trumpet his support for abortion and Planned
        Parenthood the largest baby killing mill in the country. At campaign
        fundraisers, he regularly boasts of his same-sex "marriage"
        endorsement.

  • cmjay

    Obama had been listening to Jeremiah Wright for years but I have NEVER heard that the family goes to CHURCH after he became President. He refused to observe the NATIONAL DAY of PRAYER , instead he used our TAX DOLLARS to host a RAMADAN CELEBRATION at the White House.

    • listra

      He did NOT use tax dollars to host the Ramadan dinner. By the way George Bush also held the yearly celebration and dance of Eies!

  • BlueViolets

    Why are you people bothering with listra? Geez, it sounds like a bacterial infection. The person? is a troll and obamabot. Just let him be and he will crawl back into hole under the bridge. Ignore it and it will sink back into the mire from which it came.

  • listra

    at are the core tenets of the Mormon religion?
    Read the comments of historians, scholars and Mormons on Joseph Smith and his revelations.Read the comments of historians, scholars and Mormons on the Book of Mormon and the birth of the religion.Read the comments of historians, scholars and Mormons on the Mormon afterlife.
    Many of the central concepts of the Mormon religion are laid out in the Articles of Faith, a 13-point list of the Latter-day Saints' most important beliefs.
    These key elements of the faith include belief in God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit; belief in modern prophets and continuing revelation; belief that through Christ's atonement all mankind may be saved by obedience to the laws and ordinances of Christ's Gospel; belief in the importance of repentance and baptism by immersion for the forgiveness of sins; and belief in the right of all people to worship God as they please. The Articles of Faith also affirm a belief in the Bible as the word of God, insofar as it is correctly translated, and in the Book of Mormon as an equally important scriptural source.
    The 10th Article of Faith relates to the Mormons' distinct perspective on history and on the second coming of Jesus. Like many conservative Christians, the Latter-day Saints believe that Jesus will return to earth to establish Zion, the paradisiacal Promised Land, but the Mormons believe specifically that Jesus will establish his new kingdom on the American continent. This expectation derives from revelation given through the prophet Joseph Smith, and it is in harmony with the history laid out in the Book of Mormon, a modern scripture that came into being through the agency of the prophet.
    This text, which reads something like the Old Testament, tells the story of an ancient Hebrew patriarch and prophet named Lehi, who, in roughly 600 B.C., was called by God to lead a group of Jews from Jerusalem to the New World. The group established themselves somewhere in North America and, according to this history, at least some Native Americans descended from these immigrants. Eventually, Jesus appeared to these New World Jews and taught the Christian Gospel to them. From this civilization, God continued to call forth prophets, including one named Mormon, the original author of the text that would be engraved on plates of gold that Mormons believe Joseph Smith unearthed in the late 1820s. Along with the plates, Smith said he found the Urim and Thummim, a translating contrivance that allowed him to read the engravings on the plates.
    A group of followers coalesced around Smith as he dictated his translation of the plates to scribes. Soon after the Book of Mormon was published in 1830, the prophet and his followers organized the Church of Christ, an ecclesiastical institution that differed from all other Christian churches at the time because it was led by a prophet and had another sacred text in addition to the Old and New Testaments. Revelation told the members of this new church that theirs was the restoration of the New Testament church that had been removed from the earth during a "Great Apostasy" that occurred at the end of the apostolic era. This revelation convinced Smith's followers that theirs was the only true church, a doctrinal claim that is still held by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the church headquartered in Salt Lake City also known as the "Mormon Church" or the "LDS Church").
    Another important element of the Latter-day Saints' doctrine is their concept of a "plan of salvation" that encompasses the spirit's existence before, during and after time spent on earth. The Saints believe that prior to being born, each person has a pre-mortal life. In the pre-mortal realm, spirits dwell with God, the literal father of all people, and develop talents and knowledge to prepare for mortal life. When their preparation is complete, individuals must progress and spend time on earth. Gaining a physical body, they practice actively choosing between good and evil (the Articles of Faith reject the concept of original sin) and gain new levels of knowledge that will allow them to become like God, the ultimate goal of Mormon spiritual development.
    Mormons believe that after death, the spirit leaves the body and moves on to the spirit world to wait for resurrection. During this time, those who did not embrace the Gospel are segregated from those who lived according to God's word, and the spirits of individuals who never had a chance to hear the Gospel are given this opportunity. The Plan of Salvation teaches that Heaven is divided into three separate kingdoms of glory: the celestial, the terrestrial, and the telestial. These kingdoms are where all men and women (except a certain few known as Sons of Perdition, who will go to Outer Darkness) will go after they are judged by God and their spirits are reunited with what will be their immortal bodies. Those judged to have followed the Gospel move on to the celestial kingdom, ruled by God himself. Those who did not devoutly follow but also did not actively reject the word of God are sent to the Terrestrial Kingdom, and those who actively rejected the Gospel or committed grievous sins must dwell in the Telestial Kingdom, away from God's light.
    Latter-day Saints believe entrance into each kingdom depends on a person's worthiness and their adherence to the commandments of God and the ordinances he has prescribed. Since God is the ultimate judge, all people will be judged fairly and put into the kingdom where they will be most happy. Mormon Scripture describes that men and women will be sent to "their own place, to enjoy that which they are willing to receive" (Doctrine and Covenants [D&C] 88:32). Many people will be sent to the lower kingdoms "because they were not willing to enjoy that which they might have received" (D&C 88:32), namely exaltation in the celestial kingdom. Even so, according to Mormon theology, all three kingdoms are kingdoms of glory, and even the lowest is more glorious than man can currently comprehend.

    • Bighoss

      Thus concludes a summary of many of the heretical and bizarre tenets of the homespun false religion cooked up by false prophet Joseph Smith! Bar-Eliam–next time you post, kindly stick by the topic under discussion instead of eructing unrelated drivel such as the above.

      • Bar-Eliam

        I checked out the 'parent' post you referred to. I did not post that nor several other posts that have my sig on them. I have read the post and it is mostly gibberish. I have not now nor ever would I take the time for such a long post.
        Most of this post is drivel and not my style.
        Thanks for the heads up. I now have found several others. I can't delete them as I can with those that are posts from this IP address.
        Some seagull loving, non tea or coffee drinking creature seems to have gotten into my system.
        Wonder what the proper purge would be?