Will There Be Inequality in Heaven?

It used to be said that the goal of a fair and just society ought to be "equality of opportunity," but somewhere along the way we supplanted that noble goal for a twisted, utterly arbitrary one.

"Equality of outcome" is the new rallying cry for millions of Americans engaged in social, political and economic activity.

Loudest among them are a growing number of what I consider to be "my people"—self-described evangelicals who attend weekly church services, believe in the authority of scripture and genuinely care about finding ways to aid "the least among us." Well-intentioned and sincere, many Americans across the theological spectrum have embraced a collectivist, redistributive view of political power, in my opinion, simply because they have hurriedly connected biblical truths related to wealth, justice, helping those in needs, storing treasures in heaven, etc., with a liberal philosophy.

I believe many Christians have an aversion to free enterprise and entrepreneurial activity and have shifted to the Left on economic policy because they believe God is intolerant of inequality. They might say, "Why should I actively or even passively support an economic system that requires some end up with less than others?"

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agbjr

Anyone who actually believes Heaven is compartmentalized or otherwise segregated by any means is frankly bigoted. We are all God's children and as such will be welcomed home equally.
- Evermyrtle
  
  I think you are right. Nobody has been there and come back to tell us but this is all that make sense to me.
  - LouiseCA
    
    Actually, there have been thousands, or possibly millions, of near death experiences and they are real. Not all of them. satan loves to deceive and is capable of certain deceptions, but if the experience does not conflict with Scripture, it can be considered valid.
- Chris
  
  Really? So what are the qualifications to get in – if there are rules then there is inequality. Or doesn't hell exist either?
  - LouiseCA
    
    The only "rule" is to accept Christ as your personal Savior. No one is talking about rules. We're talking about rewards.
- dionesius3
  
  Have you used a dictionary recently? Do you even know what the definition of bigoted is???
  here it is;
  "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."
  Firstly, did you even read the article?
  it appears as if you did not read it based on your comments.
  Secondly, who here said anything about heaven being "compartmentalized" or "segregated"???
  We all will be there who are redeemed. And we all will indeed be welcome there. But we will not all be equal. We are not all equal here so why do you suppose we would be there either?
  there will be saints there who have done so much more than you that it would be lunacy to believe that you should get equal rewards with them. Our rewards will differ vastly. According to what we have done in this life.
  - LouiseCA
    
    Great response.
  - Vladimir
    
    Your last part is a good explanation of the difference between the true concept of rewarded for works and the false concept of saved by works.
- zombiekiller117
  
  You ONLY post those comments because we are White
  This is how 'anti-racism' works in the REAL WORLD
  Asian countries for asians
  Black countries for blacks
  White countries for Everybody……
  Anybody who points out the obvious contradiction is called a 'bigot' or the r-word or a 'naziwhowantstokill6millionjews'
  The attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, EVERY White country through 3rd World immigration and 'assimilation' is GENOCIDE
  'Anti-racist' is a codeword for Anti-White
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
    
    The genocide lies in abortion and contraception. Being flooded with third-world immigrants is a coping mechanism for not having enough kids.
dionesius3

God isn't concerned with strict equality. And inequality of wealth isn't the problem. We are the problem. Man's fallen state is the problem. Tearing down the "rich" does not help the poor, but it can
hurt the poor.
The writer here gives a good Biblical view of wealth and equality.
Evermyrtle

THERE WILL BE EQUALITY IN HEAVEN. Everybody will have the same principles.. We will love each other and GOD and HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, who will be there with us. . We will have no desire to go against GOD and HE will love everyone of HIS children and take care of us.There will be no hate there, no spite, no malice no jealousy, no judging, no lying, no stealing, no pride, fighting,no backbiting. All people will be equal with no desire to get ahead of others.
- Truth
  
  I think it is simple and boils down to 'you reap what you sow' ….. do we all 'sow' equally? think about it. God will be Just and above all fair. We will be judged according to our works and rewarded accordingly.
  - catzpaw48
    
    If good works won't earn you a way to Heaven, why would they earn you more rewards when you get there?
    - dionesius2
      
      Your as lost as a ball in high weeds.
      You must be a moron, or else your joking
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Again, where does your misinformation come from??
    - Casmige
      
      Re: "
      If good works won't earn you a way to Heaven,…"
      So, according to you & your view then, Holy Writ is incorrect??:
      Matt. 8:28 Which example the most despotic of demons,
      
      Matt. 8: 29 They invariably & Publicly "Name it & Claim it" recognising Jebus as the "Son of G*D" even citing "Prophesy" as they cite what their end will certainly without dispute be..
      Matt. 8:31 they "PRAY" to Jebus (After "N'ing & C'ing it) to not only preserve their lives from destruction (Does not Churchianity preach/teach to do the same?: "Preserve me from the torment & flames of hell"), they even ask him to provide an escape or "rapture" (Into pigs, an other "un-clean Thing" according to Holy Writ) waiting for his permission to do so, wherein in Matt. 8:32 we see them fulfilling the commandment of Jebus.
      
      Please then, if no good works get one to any sort of destination, then certainly "Heaven" will indeed be populated with the cancer of satan & his minions…
      
      WOWZA~! What are YOU Smokin'???.
      
      Un-believable… I'm also on my way over to Holy Writ to COMPLETELY rip out the following part as well:
      
      James 2:14-25
      
      But I know…you'll hang your entyre argument on James 2:26, Right??.
      But let me ask you, just what are the deeds of the "Flesh"??. There is not one thing "Good" that is not done by "Faith" & that NOT of yourself but by the gift of G*D (That is "Faith" which works by G*D [AKA: "love" for G*D is love, n'est pas???].
      
      But I guess "Yeast" only makes a small part of Bread-Dough rise in your opinion??.
      
      You're prolly a pastor or "teacher" of Bible prophecy no less, no??
      - catzpaw48
        
        John 14:6New International Version 1984 (NIV1984)
        6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
        
        Jesus paid for our sins by being born human, suffering and dying on the cross and then being resurrected. If we were able to earn our way to Heaven through good works The Son of God wouldn't have had to suffer all the pain a human would to save our souls. We wouldn't need him at all if we were able to do it on our own.
        If you truly believe in Jesus as your savior you will want to do good works and you won't be a follower of Satan.
      - Casmige
        
        I can't even begin to retort this….I'm afraid that you won't be able nor even inclined to follow the logic.
        
        None do "Good" except it is by the "Father" of all righteousness & Goodness. There also is no life apart from the Giver of Life.
        
        So, the life that any "Bad person" lives is wholly done at the behest of G*Ds Life within him (AKA: the Breath of Life, Nephesh…on lease if you will permit).
        
        Death does not & cannot beget "Life", so while we who are DEAD in trespasses & sins are made alive by the Nephesh of G*D….effectual to those who wholly incline to this, only temporary to those others…including satan (little "s", …simply should not honour "satan" with a CAP, there catzpaw48!!).
        
        When the Great White Throne Judgement commences, the redeemed who are judged by every word & every deed done in the body (Not my words…G*Ds words) are therefore adjudged and adjudicated in finality.
        
        The issue is that satan with his subtle sophistry in collusion with Churchianity is that it has Made Jebus the "Scape-Goat" when he indeed was the Lamb.
        
        An incorrect or complete despising of an understanding of the mosiac law (QUITE different form the decalogue) of the sacrificial system has caused ignorance to pervade to the exultation of ah shatan…who well knows that with a certainty, G*Ds people are DESTROYED for a Lack of Knowledge.
        
        But, you're already prejudiced against this I feel…in fact, I perceive that you'll throw up the accusation that I'm a judiaser….for wanting to bring anything up from the more perfect revelation of the gospel & plan of salvation that was ensconced to FREE mankind from continual sinning & having to repent which required the slaughtering of innocents, but instead got turned into a megalithic "Business"…oh, much like Joel Olsteen Types.
        
        Interesting how churchianity just doesn't quite "get it"…nor any level of judiac promulgation either for that matter.
        
        the issue is, "WE the people" don't really WANT to stop sinning or even entertain any cogent understanding of the mechanic's of how it is done.
        
        because,…we like the blood & sacrifice of animals rather than letting go & sacrificing our "self".
        
        You see, "sin" & it's door-to-door salesman shatan are only the SYMPTOM of a Dis-ease.
        
        We try to treat the symptoms (Much as "Western Medicine" does) without approaching the real underlying CAUSE.
        
        Treat the cause, get a real "Blood Transfusion" & voila!!….LIFE and Life More Abundantly with an incarnate righteous recognised life free from sin…& those pesky wages that sin pays: "DEATH" (Need I really clarify this as the 2nd Death???, Seriously???).
        
        But you're thinking that G*D & his living word are only on par with Weak fallen flesh & shatan's wiles, right??….it's an impossibility you think…maybe saying it out-loud in scoffing derision.
        
        Does "Darkness" cause the Light to flee from it in the natural world encompassed with G*Ds law of operation???.
        
        Is "Darkness" equal to Light, then perhaps??, they merely SHARE a Time-share on the human heart's dominion?.
        
        Or is G*D able to do all things….even separate us from SELF-ISH-NESS & the fruit of that, "SIN" or can he not??.
        
        I don;t see an all powerful G*D of Creation hampered by the weakness of the fallen flesh & by ah shatan who's nary on par with a Creator.
        
        But then, I'm not the one who dis-beleives this….you are!!.
        
        But then, there it is…I'm the follower of satan….oh SNAP!!, forgot to CAPITALISE that "s".
        
        my bad….
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
        
        Jesus' Flesh was not sinful, but rather It is the Bread of Life come down from Heaven, that one can eat and live forever.
      - Casmige
        
        Re: "
        Jesus' Flesh was not sinful "
        
        Of Course it was!!, Why would he merely "Pretend" to become "Human"??.
        
        How else could he know the infirmities of his brethren??, How could he be "Tempted"???
        
        Did he merely PRETEND to be "Tempted"???.
        
        According to your View, then James 1:13 "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted by God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" is COMPLETELY Wrong & a LIE (I'm cutting that page out of the Bible because certainly you speak with great authority on the subject.) if you are asserting that Messiach was G*D, & not in Sinful Flesh, then he had to be in SOME kind of "Flesh" & it certainly wasn't "Glorified Flesh" because that "Change" came AFTER he ascended after exiting the tomb….just sayin…..plus if he was tempted then that meant that there was SOME-THING in him to be "Tempted".
        
        I do think that if it was tomfoolery or fakery, that satan of all beings would've keenly called "FOUL" on the "Play", n'est pas???
        
        Here is PROOF from Holy Writ:
        Isaiah 53:2 (Don't know really where to cut it off….the entire BOOK of Isaiah is a great messianic prophetic read).
        How about these:
        Philippians 2:12: "And being found in human form, he humbled himself, becoming obedient to death, yes, the death of the cross."
        James 1:14 "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away by his own lust, and enticed."
        James 1:15 "Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
        Romans 6:16 "Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants in obedience, his servants ye are whom ye obey; whether of sin to death, or of obedience to righteousness?"
        Galations 5:17: "For the flesh lusteth against the spirit: and the spirit against the flesh; for these are contrary one to another: so that you do not the things that you would."
        
        Here's the PROOF that Messiach had SINFUL Flesh & Desires (Desires are not "SIN"…ACTING on them IS…for to whom you yield yourself to obey to that you are a slave, remember??:
        
        Luke 4:1-13 Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit in the desert, [2] where for forty days he was tempted by the devil. He ate nothing during those days, and at the end of them he was hungry.[3] The devil said to him, "If you are the Son of God, tell this stone to become bread."[4] Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man does not live on bread alone.'"[5] The devil led him up to a high place and showed him in an instant all the kingdoms of the world. [6] And he said to him, "I will give you all their authority and splendor, for it has been given to me, and I can give it to anyone I want to. [7] So if you worship me, it will all be yours."[8] Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'"[9] The devil led him to Jerusalem and had him stand on the highest point of the temple. "If you are the Son of God," he said, "throw yourself down from here. [10] For it is written:" 'He will command his angels concerning you
        to guard you carefully;
        [11] they will lift you up in their hands,
        so that you will not strike your foot against a stone.' "[12] Jesus answered, "It says: 'Do not put the Lord your God to the test.'"[13] When the devil had finished all this tempting, he left him until an opportune time.
        So what KEPT & Constrained Messiach to obedience & not sin??, The Gospel: The Truth as it is IN Messiach: Yahushua, The Name means: "G*D is Saviour".
        Philippians 2:13 "for it is God who works in you both the willing and the working according to his good pleasure."
        Messiach was divested of the divine & became subservient to it in the same salvational manner that G*D promises to deliver & keep US from "Sin".
        Same "Gospel way back "In the Beginning": Genesis 4:3-7
        But we see that Cain yielded his members to the incorrect 1 of the only 2 "Masters".
        
        So, if Messiach did NOT have Sinful Flesh encompassed with the infirmities of the standard Human condition beset by the LAW of Inheritance (Which is WHY his Lineage is noted & documented so well in: Matthew 1: 1-17 so that ALL may see just what he Inherited…..) then it was all a SHAM hardly better than the Bait & Switch performed by Penn & teller.
        
        Where does this feeble destroyed for lack of knowledge come from??.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        This is a disciple of Satan!
      - Casmige
        
        Yet again, you have STUNNED me by your scholarly rebuke into repentance.
        
        Clearly only a disciple of satan would encourage a scriptural review of the plain facts of the matter & that for one to be "tempted" there had to be "Something" within that person being tempted that would/could respond to said temptation.
        
        Ergo: Sinful propensities and proclivities AKA: Sinful fallen flesh & nature.
        
        Since holy writ keenly states that G*D cannot be tempted, then ergo: "Jebus" was NOT "G*D".
        
        Since holy writ also keenly states that G*D tempts no one…then draw your own conclusions on how that "Fits" into the scheme of things.
        
        I don't get where Holy Writ is deficient…but again…..clearly you are the one with Holy Writ (Although none cited by yourself in controverting evidence is offered) on your side??.
        
        Your ad hominem assessments & castigation's thus tendered certainly illustrate your stance on the issue that is irrefutable!!.
        
        AAACKKKKKKK!!
      - Casmige
        
        "I AM" was the original NAME of the Creator as Moses was told to tell Pharoe as to who sent him…since there were no commas in the Holy Writ it indeed reads like this:
        
        "I AM", The Way, the truth AND the Result??, LIFE. No one comes to the Father except through me (My Name, which is Yahushua, which denotes "Character" & which name literally means: "G*D is Saviour")
        
        SO, there is no other Character under Heaven by which a person can be redeemed from this body of sin that is taking us to death, even the 2nd. Death except the character of Messiach which although veiled, turns out to be G*D himself.
        
        Character developed leads to holy thinking & THAT leads to holy "Without Spot, Wrinkle, Blemish, or any such thing" LIVING or Deeds & Actions NOT in variance to G*Ds Law of LIFE from Sin & Death.
        
        How would you like to spin it??.
        
        The above interpretation leaves one without ANY Excuse not to be completely & fully pulled out of SIN & SINNING…unless you're an RC, & you quite keenly enjoy those rote prayers, those indulgences & the sinning & confessing as if that will ever actually release you from the bondage.
        
        Your superficial "Name it & Claim it" churchianity without any commensurate action of maturing….That's not salvation in my "Book", sorry.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        There is not much you can do for one who chooses evil. This is his choice.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Evil to the core, You best wake up out of your delirium!
      - Casmige
        
        You're right….logically as well as morally…your overwhelming scholastic rebuke has set me aright in repentance:
        
        Name it & Claim it really "Works"….
        …..but then, that also is a "work" neverthless, n'est pas??
  - Evermyrtle
    
    If we reap what we sow, there are many who will not reach heaven
    
    Matthew 25:31-34
    
    31. When the SON OF MAN shall come in HIS glory, and all the holy angels with HIM, then shall HE sit upon the throne of HIS glory:
    32. And before HIM shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats:
    33. And HE shall set the sheep on HIS right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34. Then shall the KING say unto them on HIS right hand, Come, you blessed of my FATHER, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    
    You need to read the rest of the chapter to get the rest of the story.
- Dionesius3
  
  Hogwash!! Myrtle.
  There will not be equality. there will be those who recieve greater rewards than you I or anyone we have ever met.
  All people will not be equal there anymore than all people are equal here.
  We won't have pride, etc. as you said, but we won't be equal, we will be know as we really are not as how we wish or think we are.
  - Evermyrtle
    
    It is not hogwash, it is the blood of JESUS CHRIST, that washed off the sins of every person who repents and accepts JESUS CHRIST AS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. I makes no difference what the sins or how many there are, when we accept HIS HE washed us clean, there is no sin left. Surely you do not think heaven will be designed after the earth.
    
    By the way where do you get this misinformation? Do you believe that JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD? How about "The Sermon On The Mount," do you think it is as relevant today as it was when JESUS spoke it?
    - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
      
      Do you believe that there is no profit in martyrdom? Do you believe charity is pointless? Is obedience meaningless? By no means! We must all stand before the Judgment Seat of Christ and pass our works through God's consuming fire. Those whose works are burned up shall suffer loss, even though they shall inherit eternal life.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        We are saved by grace through our faith in JESUS CHRIST, we are rewarded by our works. If our reward is greater because our works are greater through martyrdom or whatever it may be, that is not inequality, we earned it.I do not consider it being unequal if somebody drives a new car while I drive an old car. I don't care. If it did bother me, I am looking to be treated unfairly because I did not have the money to buy a new care, that is where the inequality would come in. I would be wanting something that I did not earn.. That is a huge problem in the world today. We want to be equal whether we deserve it, or earn it or not. It simple does not work that way. We either do not want to work as hard, or have the ability to earn, or we do not know to handle our money but want the same things as those who have earned it. GOD will see that we get a lot more that we have earned, I believe. The equality would be if we all got the same rewards, instead what we have earned.
- Pastor Dwayne
  
  Jesus is a fruit inspector and will judge accordingly with Him placing us at different levels, and all will know that whoever is at what level is there because the Lord put them there . therfore there will no one desiring to get ahead of others . Evermyrtle , if there were spite, malice, pride and so on , they wouldn't be there to start with
Ron

I don't expect to recieve the glory that Abraham, Moses, and other's will have.
- Barney
  
  I bet Abraham, Moses, and the apostles would be terrified if they had to go through what we go through everyday and think nothing of it.
mallen11

Regarding this article; these things come to mind:

Freedom is not equality. We have freedom to improve ourselves.

We are not the common man – we
are not equal –

In Free Enterprise, some will
always become more successful than others.

We have spiritual freedom as
believers –

We have a portfolio of Divine
Assets and we are unequal in time and in eternity.

God has provided so much for
believers in the church age – we can have great happiness

What will you have to show when
you get to heaven?

Were you a spiritual person or
a psychological person on earth?

Believers can be the most
miserable people because they are not living in fellowship with God.

There is only one true equality in life and that is as a
believer who has been given equal opportunity and equal privilege to grow
spiritually.

Because of the Judgment Seat of Christ there is no
equality in heaven among believers. It
is not unfair.

The inequality in heaven means the neglect of freedom in
time to execute God’s plan for your life.

Freedom manufactures inequality – give 10 people money to
start a business and some will make it a success and some will not. The only freedom we have is the moment we
believe in Jesus Christ we are placed in union with Him by the Holy Spirit. Even with this some believers will become
winners and some losers. God’s GRACE gives to both winners and losers.

The only true equality is that all believers are in union
with Jesus Christ and our common objective is to learn His Word.

Will we hear Him say; “Well done
thou good and faithful servant?”
- Pastor Dwayne
  
  Jesus may be a fruit inspector !
lightyeare

I have 3 kids – 13, 11 and 5. All three of them could complete the sentence "Fair is not _____." The only ppl who believe that fair is equal have been brainwashed by the group of ppl that say it most loudly (but don't believe it) – the elite that stand to personally benefit from making everything "fair."
daves

Now there was a certain rich man, and he was clothed in purple and fine linen, living in luxury every day. A certain beggar, named Lazarus, was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table. Yes, even the dogs came and licked his sores. It happened that the beggar died, and that he was carried away by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died, and was buried. In Hades, he lifted up his eyes, being in torment, and saw Abraham far off, and Lazarus at his bosom. He cried and said, "Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue! For I am in anguish in this flame."

But Abraham said, "Son, remember that you, in your lifetime, received your good things, and Lazarus, in the same way, bad things. But now here he is comforted and you are in anguish. Besides all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed, that those who want to pass from here to you are not able, and that none may cross over from there to us."
Chris

Liberals DO support free enterprise and entrepreneurship. Stop making that false assumption. We are for equal opportunity not equal salaries. There is no heaven so stop wasting your time on that and start being an entrepreneur – only one slight problem. Your God doesn't answer prayers and cure diseases when we get sick so you have to have health insurance which is either unobtainable or far too expensive because of Republicans getting in the way of reform.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004047180339 John Adams
  
  There is no such thing as equal opportunity. Those who have different levels of education have different opportunites. Those who live in one area of the country have different opportunities. Those who are of different ages have different opportunities. Those of differing gender have different opportunities. Those are just the facts.
  There IS a Heaven, AND there is a HELL!!
  God DOES answer prayer, but we often don't know what to ask. For those who believe God and have received Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour, God does all things for their good even if we don't immediately see it as good.
  Health insurance is NOT important. Health care is relatively important and it is available to ALL in the United States of America.
  Liberals have done more to harm opportunity and advancement in the US than conservatives.
- Wayne
  
  Somebody kick your dog today? Your response is so filled with anger and fragmentation that it is difficult to understand. One thing is clear, you wish to berate Christ followers and their relationship with God. Just because you do not have a personal relationship with Jesus does not mean that others do not, or that it is an impossibility for you. God will cure those who he will. HE is in control, not you. When you open your mind to truth rather than conjecture, you will see that God is as real as the keyboard you type on and he is with you at all times. Truth is what we seek, Jesus is truth and light. You can find him too if you will earnestly seek him.
- Evermyrtle
  
  You were sent here from Satan to try to misinform people about the the good and the evil GOD and Satan. You, before us are misinformed and you swallowed it hook, line and sinker. Your should just throw it back into Satan's face, turn around and accept JESUS as your SAVIOR..
Mex Seiko

Equality in heaven? That's like asking if there will be any chauvinism. There will be no men and women in the sense we know it here on earth. Heaven is run by God. The mere question suggests He may be unjust. Would anyone wonder if there would be any fairness in hell?
- Casmige
  
  Re: "
  There will be no men and women in the sense we know it here on earth. "
  
  Really???! Astounding…my Holy Book states that in the Beginning G*D Created them Male & Female…& everything was VERY Good (Hebrew States the word to be "Perfect").
  
  Is not the Goal of G*D's Gospel a RETURN Back to the Garden of Eden & occupancy of that comportment PRIOR to the "Fall" & cancerous blight of sin???.
  
  A Restoring of the FORMER things??
  
  Oh, wait…I get it: According to your view, what G*D created "In the Beginning" wasn't right to begin with??.
  
  Let me guess?? You're American Educated??….
  - Mex Seiko
    
    Yes I study the Bible in America. where do you study?
    
    There's a verse in the Holy Bible (Matt 22:30) that I think supports my posting. I don't expect to become hermaphrodite, but there will be a totally different view of "gender." I think there will be no more reproduction and therefore no more sexual intercourse and many other side effects physical, psychological, and sociological.
    The Bible also has a lot to say about humility. Perhaps it'd do you good to review, my brother.
    - Casmige
      
      "I think, I think" therefore The Great "I AM" is of none effect….In all lieu of "Sola Scriptura"
      The Previous things are to be restored in their ORIGINAL Creative Intention. It's what the B-I-B-L-E states…not what I "Think". Humility is total dependence upon the word of G*D BTW…not a mere sentiment….else Jebus when he Over-turned the Money-Changer Tables certainly "Lost" not only his "Humanity" but apparently, according to what you "Think" his Humility as well…
      
      Oh, unless you're into situational humility??.
      
      Oh, Yeah, that's it….
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Would you please say where you are trained and how old you are?
        
        Did you read Matt 22:30? "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."
        Please comment on what you understand from Matt 22:30.
        
        Also, would you please share some Scriptura to support you statement? It does ring familiar, but would you help out?
        You are definitely right about humility and the Scriptures.
        
        Thank-you.
        
        Mex.
      - Casmige
        
        Please,
        
        Read the outline reply above with regards to KeyBoardShark's offering of:
        
        "Re: "We may be male and female on earth, but not in heaven. The believers will be the bride of Christ. (Matthew 25:1-13, Rev. 19:7-9)"
        
        I think I kinda cover the issue with detail, properly slicing & dicing the Holy Writ….
        
        "Heaven" is a different interim "Place" where the books are opened & examined.
        
        A Court-Room of sorts if you will allow the analogy. All regular aspects of "Life" are temporarily suspended, we have 1 focus and primary objective, no TV, No Sports games, no Speed-Dating, & all those other sorts of endeavours.
        
        Once the Court decision is tendered, the books are closed & one LEAVES the court-abode to return back HOME.
        
        There, regular life resumes.
        
        Hope that respectfully sums the matter up.
        
        Cheers!!
        
        =D
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I tried to follow your exposition, but you failed to comment on the specifics of the Holy Writ in Matt 22:30 where the Lord Jesus says "in the resurrection" and He says "as the angels" which means "like the angels in heaven" which appears to compare also the location, in other words, in angels being heaven as opposed to whatever other location we will live AFTER resurrection. Matt 22:30 doesn't appear to refer to any temporary state and any further body conversions.
        Further, in Matt 22:30, the Lord Jesus is answering a question of about who remains married to the widow who consecutively married brothers a they died. The Lord Jesus didn't say she would go back to her first husband, but that marriage, as we know it, was OVER.
        Please also answer: Who or which institute or movement are you "learning" from?
        Thanks,
        
        Mex
      - Casmige
        
        There's a very weird thing about being raised "ROMAN CATHOLIC"…once one finds out the truth that they've essentially been lied to all their lives, they tend not to sit under ANYONE Else as a pope/priest replacement.
        
        so: Regarding: "Who or which institute or movement are you "learning" from? "
        
        I am in the same school in which Messiach HaMashia sat, learned & gathered HIS information & understanding from.
        
        Roman Catholicism teaches that G*D is unapproachable, needing a sacrifice from Mary or incessant prayers by rote or "Confession" or the "Stages of the cross", heck, even Messiach is portrayed in the Church sanctum as STILL Hanging on the cross…a lie.
        
        It wasn't the "sacrifice" of the Cross that is important to the gospel, anyways.
        
        it was the truth that "G*D was IN FALLEN SINFUL Double-Minded Propensity to Sin from the law of Inheritance (Why Messiach's Lineage is carefully chronicled, n'est pas??) reconciling or bringing mankind BACK to himself…removing the fear from boldly approaching that throne wherein is the truth…as it was in Messiach.
        
        It was G*D that kept Messiach from Indulging in Sin…
        
        Oh, wait…you prolly think "Jesus" was "G*D", right??.
        
        He never claimed that. Your "Jesus" always deferred any spoken word, any & all actions back to the "Creator" as the progenitor of his thoughts, Deeds & actions & words…
        
        Oh, but in Gethsemane, I guess he had a schizophrenic episode wherein he prayed to himself: "Please take this cup from me, but not my will be done,….but my will be done" because he was talking to himself??.
        
        OMGZ… it's so clearly seen yet you'll deny it…wanting my credentials of schooling or movement following in lieu of the truth & the self-evident truths.
        
        I'm a lone voice in the wilderness…certainly unfit ever to even un-tie the sandle of Messiach…but I am unable to deny the truth nor remain silent because I am NOT the owner of this Mind, Body nor the Life-Force within that constrains me toward obedience & at the very same time constrains me from indulging in "Self Enthronement" in the place that only the Holy One has right to occupy. (Nice English word, that "Constrains" Is. Means to propel forward but also to hold back)
        
        It's the only original way to be schooled actually….as "human" teachers/pastors/preachers have filthy lucre (Even at University) as an underlying desire taht pollutes even noble intentions as well as a hubris to-wards self & their learning accomplishments with their ego's eclipsing the truth & refusing to allow any-one to pull back the veil since doing so, would necessarily put them out of their business.
        
        A reading of the word HAS to include a conversation with the writer who will lead all who come unto him into the realm of the truth as it was IN Messiach..
        
        Modern Americain Churchianity talks of a "Personal relationship" with G*D but they know NOTHING of the actual aspects of it….One of the Gifts of the Spirit is a spirit of prophecy & revelation (Unless you think that John was alone in this??).
        
        In the beginning G*D Created "THEM" Male & Female.
        He joined them to-gether. They were known as "Adam"…BOTH of them, because they were MARRIED.
        
        This was PRE-Fall.
        
        They worked & Kept (Means to train, to protect, to mind-after some-thing) the Garden.
        
        The implication AFTER the fall that the ground would no longer yield it's strength means that they worked & toiled & ate of the produce & products of their labour….can you not "See" this implication??
        
        Seriously, if EVERYTHING has to be spelled out in great detail, there never would be a NEED for a personal sit down & conversation with G*D about "Things".
        
        Basically, if you know ANYTHING of Arranged Marriages??…it's not based upon the sentiment of "Love" but rather how the each of the others "CHARACTER" will serve the purpose of marriage….a VERY Holy Sobering serious matter. This may seem strange to an American, but it works….& it is a hold-over from Holy Writ.
        
        Parents (Like G*D) know the character of their own children. It is far far better to encourage & arrange a union based upon character complimentary characteristics because the people can then LEARN to love….why?? because it is NOT G*Ds design that the man be alone. NOT back then BEFORE the fall, nor AFTER the new heavens & earth are restored back to the original blue-print & intent.
        
        To be fruitful & Multiply ALSO was not a Command made after Sin interrupted the process of perfection.
        
        If G*D is going to restore the former things, why are you getting stuck on a matter wherein when the redeemed are tarrying IN HEAVEN (Read: NOT here on the earth which will be left desolate) going over the court proceedings & books which are opened in judgement??.
        
        It's simple: the "New" Testament does NOT eclipse nor do away with the Old. It is merely an exposition of the old for Messiach HaMashia could not have taught from anything else but "Nature" (G*Ds first book) and from Human Life (Another "Book") From the Sanctuary Service in the Wilderness (An other "Book"), & certainly from the Septuagint.
        
        Messiach harkened for a look BACK at the previous things because the plan of salvation was there…it merely was interpreted incorrectly much like people actually & hubrisly thought & believed that the sun rotated around the world…THAT same essence of a problem is what has skewed our understanding. Everything that man needs to understand salvation was & is in what modern Churchiantiy terms "The OLD Testament" inferring as a cunning subtlety much as satan did in the other tree of life, that is is obsolete & "Old", Not to be considered.
        
        A good teacher inspires the students to develope on their OWN a thirst & zeal for learning.
        
        Now-a-days (Especially within the Americain School System) it is not inculcated & rather the point is to memorise (Which is not learning) & take a test.
        
        Once the redeemed PEOPLE: Human Beings in Glorified Flesh, Free from sin & self-enthronement of their ego in the most holies of holies, then all things as they were intended & created will simply resume.
        
        Why is that so hard to understand??. sin & satan have basterdised & simply corrupted G8Ds original creation…just like a Dis-ease makes a person sick.
        
        Once the infecting agent is removed, does the person STOP: "Eating", "Breathing", Drinking water, Enjoying colours & scents of creation,….come on, seriously??
        
        We weren't created to be "Angels" just as Angels were not created to be human nor in the flesh of humanity.
        
        Part of being created in the image of G*D is creating things. Inventing things. Doing things. Tending things. Caring for things….& Yes, PRO-Creating.
        
        That "Marriage" is a Very real example of the heavenly realms as much as a book reveals the inner intents of the Author, hence it is severely attacked & ridiculed ONLY by satanic sophistries.
        
        The people of G*D will tarry in heaven…..until every tear is dried…& until every case is decided.
        
        The White Throne Judgement (Which takes place on earth) is where justice & judgement is meted out & finalised.
        
        Once the sin thing & all that remains of that corruption is annihilated in the lake of fire…then the original design simply & most assuredly resumes….else G*D logically would NOT have instituted it all in the VERY Beginning & then proclaimed it "Very Good".
        
        Maybe you are thinking that he had an other plan??…..He'll proclaim it "Ooops, made a mistake back there….this new stuff is now "More Excellent" as a replacement theology methode??.
        
        Unbelievable. I don't see how things are ever going to resolve themselves but it's not, thankfully, in my hands….
        
        Oh well…go, read for yourself…there's only 1 Creator. He's certainly not double-minded and what he shows to one, will be congruent with an other.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        God declared His Creation as Very Good. But unfortunately, Lucifer became corrupt and came to earth with his followers and corrupted Adam & Eve and the earth. Messiah redeemed man through His sacrifice and then will remove the corruption and corruptibility from man and the angels after the resurrection by giving man a "new body." As I said before, in order to "restore," God wouldn't have to "destroy" the Heavens and the earth and just fix it. But God will totally destroy, annihilate, obliterate, heaven and earth and "create" new ones.
        You are rejecting God's plan and "establishing" your own. You are stuck with a plausible yet incorrect interpretation based on the single argument that what God once called good and very good you want to deem as perfect while having no choice but to admit they became corrupt both some in heaven and those on earth.
        It's still unclear where you learn from as you cannot study from where Yashua Ha-Messiach since His knowledge is from God directly, where as you and I learn from the Scriptures unless you are part of some crazy restoration movement with your own agenda.
        Edgardo.
      - Casmige
        
        Not really.
        
        I could get into the Quantum Mechanic" aspects of it that very clearly explain what happened when "Creation" Fell.
        
        it's a very interesting view-point.
        
        It solidly explains everything.
        
        I'd be up to sharing it if you're interested, but not here in this forum.
        
        Clearly, you can see that I do not simply answer things in single sentences or with ambiguity & glibness.
        
        Google me…I'm there…find me….drop me a note to my eMail..it's not hidden, but you will have to search a little bit for it.
        
        We can go through the exposition quite methodically..
        
        You see, I use things of LIFE to listen to the Still small voice.
        
        The evidence is all around us because although satan might well be the prince of the power of the aire, he cannot do anything without G*Ds permission.
        
        NOTHING. he is stiill a subjugated piece of G*Ds creation & cannot enter into the holiest of holies.
        
        I will share a little..if you think it's crazy, then I'll back off.
        
        I'm not into convincing anyone…but I do have to respond to erroneous suppositions & incorrect diagrams of Holy Writ as I am goaded to do so.
        
        I hardly think it is satan, but who knows???.
        
        maybe he repented & wants people to know how the Gospel of G*D works effectually reigning in SIN, SELF< & the results of disharmony & variance with the Creator into living absolutely obedient sinless lives.
        
        satan doesn't "like" the truth.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I don't think we need to get into Quantum Mechanics to discuss Matt 22:30, which remains open.
        Please remember this verse is not about divorce, but about marriage past the resurrection.
        Would you be so kind as to state your age?
        
        Thanks,
        
        Mex.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Mex, one good reason why you posted a comment about a verse of scripture hat every 5th grader could understand over and over and over………………
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I don't think we need to get into Quantum Mechanics to discuss Matt 22:30, which remains open.
        Please remember this verse is not about divorce, but about marriage past the resurrection. If you could make an effort to say in context, it would help.
        Also, would you be so kind as to state your age?
        
        Thanks,
        
        Mex.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I don't think we need to get into Quantum Mechanics to discuss Matt 22:30, which remains open.
        Please remember this verse is not about divorce, but about marriage past the resurrection. If you could make an effort to say in context, it would help.
        Also, would you be so kind as to state your age?
        
        Thanks,
        
        Mex.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I don't think we need to get into Quantum Mechanics to discuss Matt 22:30, which remains open.
        Please remember this verse is not about divorce, but about marriage past the resurrection. If you could make an effort to say in context, it would help.
        Also, would you be so kind as to state your age?
        
        Thanks,
        
        Mex.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I don't think we need to get into Quantum Mechanics to discuss Matt 22:30, which remains open.
        Please remember this verse is not about divorce, but about marriage past the resurrection. If you could make an effort to say in context, it would help.
        Also, would you be so kind as to state your age?
        
        Thanks,
        
        Mex.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I don't think we need to get into Quantum Mechanics to discuss Matt 22:30, which remains open.
        Please remember this verse is not about divorce, but about marriage past the resurrection. If you could make an effort to say in context, it would help.
        Also, would you be so kind as to state your age?
        
        Thanks,
        
        Mex.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I don't think we need to get into Quantum Mechanics to discuss Matt 22:30, which remains open.
        Please remember this verse is not about divorce, but about marriage past the resurrection. If you could make an effort to say in context, it would help.
        Also, would you be so kind as to state your age?
        
        Thanks,
        
        Mex.
      - Casmige
        
        Oh, Not to be sloth about it:
        
        Regarding: "Further, in Matt 22:30, the Lord Jesus is answering a question of about
        who remains married to the widow who consecutively married brothers a
        they died. The Lord Jesus didn't say she would go back to her first
        husband, but that marriage, as we know it, was OVER."
        
        Sorry, Much like Messiach stated that "Moses Suffered you to Divorce & remarry…" But in the BEGINNING (there's that pesky beginning precedence is again!!) it was NOT permitted nor allowed.
        
        Much as Anything that "Man Corrupted" into self-serving exceptions….we need to GO BACK & re-button the shirt aright.
        
        Some -truths were sharp & pointed Intended for people who could take it….others, were merely to avoid silly non-productive provocations.
        
        Like the women caught in Adultery that they brought to Messiach at the well.
        Did you know that holy writ prescribes that BOTH the man & the women were to be brought before judgment & STONED TO DEATH???.
        
        Now, the women at the well?? John 4:4-26. Where was the "Man"?? Certainly Critical thinking HAS to be enjoined to correctly understand this scripture PLUS a thorough KNOWLEDGE of at least the OT…. In Orthodox Church tradition, she is known as Photine (from φως, the luminous one). Most Common present belief is that she was actually Mary Magdalene!!!.
        
        The "Man" was most probably a high ranking official or a close friend with the Sanhedrin, the ones who BROUGHT her to Messiach.
        
        BOTH were to be stoned….but the "Learned" rulers knew this…& they purposely twisted things.
        
        Without any evidence of the Man….the Women was essentially innocent.
        
        THAT was "Their Sin" that Messiach Called them on….& they all knew what scripture said & so they all left.
        
        But you wouldn;t EVER hear this type of exposition in any church….because they know what they know & don't WANT to know anything different or deeper.
        
        Once the Buried Treasure is teased with humility, THAT Leads to a close, nay…a very Close essentially Holy "Intercourse" With G*D wherein he slowly reveals himself upon the human mind & THAT expels all evil, sin, & those pesky Boutons.
        
        Once that is done, we are all grown up as mature Men & women as like Messiach. THAT is the goal of the gospel.
        
        THAT makes the human agent so identified with the Creator G*D that they are unable to be moved & that sales-man?? ah Shatan???
        
        Oh, well, he comes & knocks on the door & will ALSO Find nothing within us to respond to his sophistry.
        
        isn't that "Good news"??
        Salvation is here & now…so that we merely resume the activities in the hereafter not much different that what we encounter & enjoy to-day except with the blight of degradation from the blight of sin removed.
        
        THAT is truth…plain truth.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I'm still not satisfied with your answer about Matt 22:30. Your reference to divorce and to that "pesky" beginning does not address the verse' context.
        The Pharisees asked the Lord Jesus about the "resurrection." The question is NOT about divorce but about "who would be her husband in the resurrection since all 7 brothers had been with her."
        Please bear with my simplicity and address this matter directly without getting into any other tangents.
        Thanks,
        
        Mex.
      - Casmige
        
        Regarding: your concern & Quantum Mechanic's,
        
        Quantum Mechanic's & a study of it gives great insight into the matter of G*D.
        
        It was the very 1st. Book of the revelation of G*D: The study of Nature & the heavens & the laws that govern. I'm sorry that you do not think this to be a viable avenue to discuss the "Things" of G*D.
        
        Oh, My age means nothing, respectfully.
        
        Naturally, Messiach used other examples of "Things' to lay-out a foundation of constancy.
        
        As an example, the laws of Science as studied ALSO apply over to the "Science" of Culinary preparation.
        
        You cannot isolate & divorce the one from the other. Each issue is a "Pie-Cut" of the whole.
        
        What applies in one instance, as a principle to be observed, applies to another.
        
        "Marriage" in the beginning was supposed to be only one thing & one thing only.
        
        "Men" perverted it for their own desires (Like passing on lineage or posterity, Hence the Brother thing, or Abraham listening to his unbelieving Sarah & instead hooking up with the maid-servant). In all these instances the fleshly "I know things better than the Cut&Dried Commandment & directives of G*D" aspect of man-kind entered into the fray & diluted the strictness of adherence to G*Ds plan.
        
        G*D hen had to "Dumb-Down" things & "Roll-with-the-punches" in dealing with the hardness of men's hearts & their perversions.
        
        Like straining a GNAT out of Water to avoid the unclean thing but then having no problem with coddling or palliating greater evils.
        
        THAT is the context of Matt 22. The question was meant to "Catch" Messiach in some sort of tangled web. That was the focus.
        
        When Messiach went on to explain things, he would introduce the under-lying principles that applied….what you term a "Tangent".
        
        When & if all those "Brothers" are redeemed along with the Wife at the resurrection…it will be a righteous G*D that will sort things out…however he will ALSO be dealing with Righteous People at that Point who will be singularly in line with the same mind-set as G*D.
        
        It simply doesn't matter as a focus in the here-&-now as much as proper & thorough character preparation into the image of G*D with the commensurate "Seal of G*D" in ones fore-head.
        
        G*D will have to deal with the "SCARS" of sin as will the redeemed.
        
        No one is escaping this battle in the realm without some injurious scars that will serve as reminders of "Sin".
        
        The scars in the glorified Body of Messiach AFTER the resurrection absolutely prove this.
        
        & since G*D is NOT a respecter of Persons, what applies to one??, even Messiach, applies to ALL.
        
        Hope that helps!!
        
        =D
      - Mex Seiko
        
        It's really a rare skill to be able to say nothing in so many words.
        
        But I'm encouraged to give it one last try.
        
        What do you think Ha-Messiach meant when He said that at the resurrection, there will be no marrying or giving into marriage?
        If you can't address this specific statement directly, I'll have to presume your response is a non-answer, thus conceding defeat in the exchange and admitting there's a gash in your theology, rendering it debunked.
        Also, knowing your age is important to me. If you would please disclose it. I am 58 years old.
        Mex.
      - Casmige
        
        regarding : "
        At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven."
        
        The Underlying focus is "At the Resurrection…" That is Neither the time nor the PLACE for such issues to be considered.
        
        As I stated: During the 1000 Years STARTING with the Resurrection, it will be a Court proceeding of sorts wherein all the books are opened, the cases examined & when there is no longer any question as to the subsequent White Throne Judgement that ensues AFTER that, Then & ONLY after the NEW Heaven & the New Earth are Re-created will the FORMER things also be resumed.
        
        In between Resurrection & the New Earth is a state, to borrow a Catholic term, of LIMBO.
        
        Just as if you were petitioned to go to court for a matter or serve on jury: ALL MANNER OF NORMAL EVERY-DAY LIFE "THINGS" ARE PUT ON HOLD.
        
        Can you seriously not see this demarcation??.
        
        It's like this: Would you even CARE about such things after you've had Major Surgery for a life threatening ordeal??.
        
        No, the focus would be on RECOVERY….getting better, restoration, recuperation.
        
        I can't make it any clearer.
        
        According to Holy Writ, G*D does things in decency & IN ORDER…
        
        You can't saddle an abrupt transition from sinful world to sinless perfection worrying about such things.
        
        FIRST things are considered FIRST…it's plain & simple Natural law, really.
        
        G*D uses natural law as an outward revealed exposition of those things behind the veil.
        
        I hope that makes it utterly clear.
        
        The Resurrection is a NEW BIRTH of sorts. The redeemed will be in an entirely NEW experience….You certainly cannot "Worry" or Focus on such things as Who is married to whom or who the new-bourn should be paired up with until the NEWLY Bourn have MATURED to that particular point.
        
        Seriously…is this not so easy to see & comprehend??.
        
        I mean no dis-respect…I just cannot fathom how this matter is being misunderstood.
        
        The LACK of proper Teaching in Americain Schools leads to a LACK of being able to Critically THINK…to Diagram & take apart a sentence structure & tease the portent out of it.
        
        English is not even my first language & I'm some-what genetically averse to even using it….but I still respect it enough to use it properly.
        
        As it is also with the ORIGINAL Language of Holy Writ. Doing so is incumbent upon the searcher & seeker of truth.
        
        One must, MUST Eliminate any mischaracterisation of the intent of the original language by actually READING the context of Holy-Writ in the original…or at least cross-fact-checking & verifying it with a concordance.
        
        Doing so is incumbent upon the searcher & seeker of truth….but there is a sacrifice to make for so doing as with anything that one does….there are off-sets & there are gains for those off-sets.
        
        I guess that is why, in so many words, that even G*D's Written diatribe of the truth is not well understood…
        
        It's much like expecting some-one to build a house who has never even held a hammer….. Can it be done??…yup!!, but the process will be arduous & certainly inadvertently sloppy & bloody given the participants BEST of "Intentions".
        
        ah shatan knows this & that is why he distracts the focus with Games, TV, Fashion, & all sorts of diversions & easy arm-chair "Name it & Claim It" there-you-go, you're now saved sophistry's AKA: 1 day maybe 2 a week Churchianity.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        sealed from the day we were saved.
        Casmige: "The Underlying focus is "At the Resurrection…" That is Neither the time nor the PLACE for such issues
        It was for Jesus. It was the focus of both the question and the answer. Sorry for the inconvenience.
        Court Proceedings: Resurrection of the body occurs at Rapture. There are no more body changes after that. We come ack down to reign with Jesus for 1,000 years. The New Heavens and the New Earth do not affect the new bodies we're already wearing.
        Limbo theology? Right. God can multitask, can't He? there are a series of events going on while judgment proceeds.
        Lastly, you must be waiting for this one, How do you calculate an ever growing population with 0 mortality?
      - Casmige
        
        "Jesus" was the First Fruit (Please go back & Review the Feasts instituted by the mosiac law and still practiced observed presently by ultra orthodox). That time is neither the place nor the right time for such things to be considered or of importance.
        
        There is no "Rapture", it is twisted incorrect NT theology based entirely on 2 strings of Scripture & not backed up at all by OT hermeneutical examples, sorry. G*D never once TOOK any of his people out of trial, tribulation or testing. There's not ONE example of Daniel being taken out of the Lions den, the 3 hebrew worthies out of the fiery furnace, Elijah out of confrontation with the people/ruling powers, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.
        
        "Limbo" is as I pointed out, a time of recuperation, not for G*D so much as for his people to "Adjust". new Bodies or not, it will be an entirely NEW Experience & existence. THAT, as all things, takes time to learn to deal with. JUsut because people are given NEW Bodies doesn't mean they suddenly become "All KNOWING", & FULLY Constituted for the new experience & existence.
        
        Regarding "there are a series of events going on while judgment proceeds. "
        No, there are not a series of events going on…there is only one focus in such a court proceeding just as there is here in this realm when "Court" is in session. There is a certain time for evidence to be presented, that evidence mulled over & decided upon & then the verdict. After the Verdict is read, a waiting time happens prior to judgement being announced & officially read and the sentence pronounced & carried out. G*D does not do anything any differently since he is the inspiration for the present day Legal Court proceeding lay-out & process.
        
        Regarding: "How do you calculate an ever growing population with 0 mortality?"
        There is well documented & presented factual evidence formulated by EARTHLY Scientists that show that the ENTIRE PRESENT WORLD POPULATION would easily "Fit" into the single state of TEXAS with enough "Room" (1000 Sq. Ft. Per EACH person actually) not only for them to live but also to have enough "Land" along side of them to grow their own food.
        
        Also, Procreation would not happen in the manner that it happens to-day or within this realm.
        
        There are LAWS in the BIBLE Presently that govern the approach of spouses to even considering having children. It is a well outlined deliberate injunction designed to ensure that the children thus bourn are already infused with the Holy Spirit PRIOR to birth (John the baptist being an example).
        
        The careless engagement of the sexual relation driven by animalistic fleshly lusts lead to a degradation of the union FAR From its original intent & design.
        
        Let's take a quick over-view of it just as an example to illustrate just how FAR we humans have fallen into animalistic brutish devolvement on the matter, shall we??.
        
        According to mosiac law: A "Man" was not to Marry until he had served in the military, thereafter had served in the service of the Temple, & therafter ONLY if he already owned his own house and an established business.
        
        After marriage, he was to take an entire year off to "Comfort his Wife".
        The Wife was supposed to operate & take care of the "Home" & Home-based Business, servants & any children sired….while the man (Constituted by G*D to be able to withstand the same) dealt with issues & matters OUT-SIDE of that protective womb environment of the "Home".
        
        Just an aside: the Hypothalamus in Females is SMALLER than the Hypothalamus in Men & the hypothalamus in Homosexual versions of either is even SMALLER comparatively.
        
        Go study THAT one out & find out what the Hypothalamus "Manages & Controls" in a person. Any correct study of any of the various Scientific pursuits would (& correctly should) reveal things to us that would "explain" things on a deeper level. Every thing is inter-related and most importantly declare the Glory of G*D.
        
        As to approaching the Sexual relation: Relations according to Holy Plan & original intent was not even CLOSE to being what we would even care of fathom or consider to-day.
        
        Naturally, I think every-one knows that during a Women's menstruation men are NOT to lay-down with their wives. Once that Menses finishes (About a weeks time), then the law states that for 7 days AFTERWARDS, the women & men are also not to engage in relations.
        
        That knocks 2 whole weeks out of each month wherein sexual relations cannot be engaged or even considered.
        
        The other 2 weeks??
        
        Yes, this gets interesting as to the "Math".
        
        Everything was done with each in subjugation to the other. A Women was subjugated & subservient to her "Head" the Husband; likewise, Man was subjugated & subservient to his "Head" as the priest of the family, to G*D.
        
        NOTHING happened or was supposed to happen without taking the matter to prayer with utter sobriety by the man & waiting for the Urim & Thummim to "Answer" or provide guidance.
        
        If the "Green Light" was granted, then Relations could ensue…however BOTH participants were considered ceremonially "Unclean" for 3 days afterwards.
        
        There was no engagement of relations allowed on Shabbot (Saturday) & one could not enter the Shabbot "Unclean" so that meant that for 3 days PRIOR to Friday (Cannot enter even the "Corners" of Shabbot" unclean) was the only "Open Window" should the "Green Light" be granted as a "go ahead"….between SUN-day (1st day of the week BTW) & Tues-Day at the latest.
        
        Only a 3 Day period out of each of the remaining 2 week period.
        
        Naturally, there was no contraceptive allowed….not even the withdrawal methode.
        
        So, that meant that conditions of the Spouses had to be matured & ready as to character development & having an established house/business/enterprise & standing in the community realised PRIOR to any coitus being considered.
        
        Oh, but it gets better!!!
        
        If conception was realised??, yeah, the man was to HONOUR his body & that of his Spouse by NOT engaging in his selfish pleasure pursuits for the duration of the pregnancy.
        
        But WAIT, there's MORE!!
        
        After the Baby was Bourn, it was given to suckling for 18 months (1.5 years) wherein the Mothers Body is to be strictly taken care of, focused & devoted to providing the very BEST of nutrition to that child (Without any interfering cortisol hormones & the like infused into the mothers milk). The Man was to refrain also from coitus during that period also.
        
        But WAIT, there's even MORE!!.
        
        the Mothers body was to REST, Allowing for recuperation & recovery, for 18 months AFTER the Child had been weaned.
        
        LOLZ, so you see: the implications are & would be clearly keenly seen on the utter lunacy with which procreation to-day has become even MORE animalistic as compared to the beasts of the field and devolved the human being into brutishness. It's quite surprising that any of the off-spring (My-self included) are of any sufficient stature to even approach the guarded holy things of G*D with nary a constitution to under-stand things.
        
        Adherence to the law would ensure HEALTHY well constituted children. It would ensure the health of the women's body, it would reign in the animalistic tendencies of man & it would inculcate that the man engage in taking care of his family. Observance would ALSO keep the indiscriminate bearing of children to 1 about every 5 years……perfect "Spacing" for a growing house-hold.
        
        Following & adhering to these laws "Kept" (Means to protect & preserve, remember?) the pair HOLY, HOLY MINDED, & pure & the off-spring of such subsequent holy unions did not arise with the contemptuousness of children thus seen in modernity.
        
        We are so progressively advanced comparatively, though, no??
        
        These "Laws" are the ones that satan has fooled people into thinking were AGAINST us or "Done away at the Cross" when in fact they are designed to protect, keep, & preserve us & righteousness throughout our generations.
        
        A godly character is passed on by the law of genetics & produces off-spring that are duly constituted to be pillars of fire by night & impenetrable smoke by day.
        
        This was all by divine design but Humanity has said it's rubbish & labelled anyone inculcating such practices as judiasers.
        
        So, properly followed according to original intent & plan, procreation would NOT be a problem to deal with….if a child is conceived and bourn only every 5 years.
        
        Plus, we already covered the land management issue…which did not take into considerations high-rise housing capacity considerations.
        
        Oh, how MUCH satan has fooled us & stolen from us our divine dignity & protective holy "Clothing" or covering…& we know not just how naked we still are.
        
        But then again…I'm the judiaser.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I must've missed something when you say it's not the time or place when discussing Matt 22:30. Sadducees asked Jesus a trick question about the resurrection and He answered it saying there's no marrying in the resurrection. That's where our conversation started.
        The Rapture is explained in detail in the New Testament and typified in the Old. You tried to preempt the argument, with Daniel and the 3 fiends. Yet, in addition to those denials, you have Enoch who was taken and Lot who also was removed before the destruction of S&D. these are not Raptures but types of Rapture. Beyond that I can't say anything more to your denial.
        Regarding population: your comparing earth demographics where mortality still exists with an Eternally ongoing procreation where NO ONE dies. This is an eternal accumulation of beings. Your answer to that is that there is enough space to accommodate a lot of people. The only way you could have ever growing population is if different beings can occupy the same space. Citing laws of procreation as a chaos delaying mechanism is a joke in an eternal context.
        The morality of intercourse is secondary and needed no mentioning within this topic. You may ave some attention deficit.
        I'll continue on another email.
        
        Mex
      - Casmige
        
        Re: "I must've missed something when you say it's not the time or place when discussing Matt 22:30."
        
        Yup, Because Matt 22:30 Is preemptively only dealing with the "Resurrection"…not what happens AFTERWARDS nor with regards to the imminent "Court proceedings" that takes place with the redeemed prior to the white throne judgement.
        
        It was a Moot issue because of the unbelief of a hereafter by the askers of the question PLUS it was not an inter-related issue for discussion because the "Setting" of the entire aspect of the question dealt with "The Resurrection" & NOT with the issues of the same thing in the NEW Earth after all the other aspects had already unfolded & transpired….so yes, it does not relate at all in that sequence of events or couched within the context of "The Resurrection".
        
        Lot was NOT an example of "A Rapture" because he was warned NOT to go into that city previous to himself deciding to go there ANYWAYS beyond the guidance of G*D anyways….& certainly the intoxication & degradation of that sort of "City" living certainly affected Lot & his Family….else the wife would have not been so stiff-necked & disobedient, Lot himself would not have yearned to call what G*D had Commanded a Lie (Gen. 19:20) & still go to yet ANOTHER City rather return back to his Home-land as commanded.
        
        LOT is more of an example of the Advocate (Abraham) praying for the ignorance of his brethren & bearing with them through their infirmities while the process of being brought back (Like the prodigal son) commenced towards fulfillment.
        
        Basically, Isaiah 30:15.
        
        As to Enoch, he was Translated. that is NOT a "Type" of "rapture" as modern churchianity promulgates. Enoch lived 300 years before having a SON, …thereafter having his Son, he walked with G*D & became so close in his relationship (& therefore sinless "Obedience") that he was translated.
        
        The Rapture is NOT explained in detail in the New Testament. The entire "Belief" is thinly based on only 2 strings of scripture & is satanically designed to inhibit the formation of an obedient preparation of a godly character.
        
        Regarding Population: 1). Please go back & research just what the population has generally been prior to the modern era. It has NEVER been so exponentially as large as it has in the modern era. 2). Not every-one that has been bourn throughout the ages are going to be part of the "Redeemed". In fact, I expect a marginal few comparative demographically to over-all all time population.I used the Present era assessment of World Population of 8 Billion Living beings to illustrate that a large population could easily be sustained in a relatively small area (Like "Texas" compared to the over-all aspect of "Earth". Additionally, Human Beings presently counting ALL Populations only inhabit LESS than 48% of the available land mass on earth.
        
        In the NEW Earth populated with HOLY beings, the population growth will be minimal & almost abjectly dismal compared to the animalistic indiscriminate mindless indifferent breeding that goes on presently.
        
        So, Re: "The morality of intercourse is secondary and needed no mentioning within this topic."
        
        I brought no cause for the Morality of Intercourse, I merely pointed out what the LAW States as a Maxim of expectation upon man-kind & why that would be rather relevant with regards to Population explosion as a logistical issue to deal with or account for in the new earth as you questioned.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I think we're beating a dead horse here. I don't see a second resurrection or an AFTERWARDS retooling of our new bodies beyond what Jesus explained in Matt 22:30. What I get from you is a lot of speculation and excessive explanations with little direct Scripture support. You try to disjoin the issue of resurrection when the question was specific about resurrection and marriage. You don't even have ANOTHER answer for the marriage part because the answer was direct and complete. It was not a half truth, Jesus don't play that way.
        Rapture: picking, choosing, and rejecting verses of the Bible to it your theology is bad, bad. Saying that the Word of the Holy Spirit is Satanic is serious trouble.
        Rapture as explained in the Bible is connected to the Resurrection we've been talking about. We will be "Translated" into our new bodies and out of this world. Over explaining the life of Lot muddles his flight from Sodom as type of Rapture, which is your typical style of conversation. He was taken out before the destruction. Speaking of stiff-necks you and I know who those are and may also be typified as Lot's wife remaining behind to experience Jacob's Trouble (The Great Tribulation).
        You keep trying to explain an eternal situation where time does not exist based on the wrong idea that eternity is a lot of time. My point is that perhaps procreation (supported by Matt 22:30) will not happen once we enter into eternity. Regardless of how we slow the population growth, I don't think there will be procreation for eternity while there's no morality. It's kind of simple.
        Mex
      - Mex Seiko
        
        "But wait, there's more!"
        
        You've dedicated so much to the population subject, it must be point that really hurts your position of "Not Marrying and given to Marriage" part.
        Sorry, I couldn't go through the whole thing but I did catch something about having children only every 5 years. I don't know how you got to that number, but if you argue that God wants to "Restore" everything back to the Garden of Eden, you will also acknowledge the command to be fruitful and multiply.
        I still wonder even given all the delaying mechanisms to Super population, how can you have procreation without mortality.
        Mex.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        sealed from the day we were saved.
        Casmige: "The Underlying focus is "At the Resurrection…" That is Neither the time nor the PLACE for such issues
        It was for Jesus. It was the focus of both the question and the answer. Sorry for the inconvenience.
        Court Proceedings: Resurrection of the body occurs at Rapture. There are no more body changes after that. We come ack down to reign with Jesus for 1,000 years. The New Heavens and the New Earth do not affect the new bodies we're already wearing.
        Limbo theology? Right. God can multitask, can't He? there are a series of events going on while judgment proceeds.
        Lastly, you must be waiting for this one, How do you calculate an ever growing population with 0 mortality?
      - Casmige
        
        Regarding "
        sealed from the day we were saved."
        
        No, where not…else the angels in revelation would have to be ensconced with the duty of APPLYING the seal of G*D to the redeemed at the time just prior to tribulation.
        
        If in accordance to what you propose, then all would have already BEEN "Sealed".
        
        This is a process …. an on-going process as outlined by the scripture:
        
        Proverbs 4:18 & Mark 4:28
        
        The Christians experience is on-going until that perfect day.
        
        One is developed and grows into maturity & stature as godly constituted beings.
        
        Starkly: All this crap cannot & will not "End" until G*Ds redeemed latch onto the promise to fulfill them with 144,000 PERFECT as Messiach was & without SIN, Spot, Blemish, Wrinkle or any such thing are "Sealed".
        
        they will say, rightly so as Messiach stated in: John 14:30
        
        THAT is the "New Song" that the redeemed are able to sing along with their NEW Name written into their foreheads.
        
        THAT is the conclusion of the matter & the entire hope of Glory: Col: 1:27
        
        But we, the nominal people of G*D who so like to "Name it & Claim it" do not really hate our selfishness & commensurate indulgence of sin enough in order to make the sacrifice required to actually close the reign of satan and sin with all it wages & inflictions upon creation.
        
        Our easy-chair churchianity convinces us that what "Jesus" did on the cross exempts us from the same "Sacrifice" & is known as replacement theology.
        
        Let some-one ELSE pay the bill, so to speak.
        
        The death of SELF 100% is absolutely a requirement to be one of the redeemed…."Jesus" only deferred the sentence against us inculcated by sin participation (sin, not G*D, requires the wages of participation to be "meted" or paid-out) to allow us time for reconsideration & evaluation of the prospects.
        
        Having the character (Name) under heaven by which we are saved FROM sin necessarily requires that we become like Messiach & of the fullness of his "Name" or character to wit the "Name" of Messiach is Yahushua, or G*D is Saviour, who working within HIS creations (Us) is utterly able to constrain us to rightousness by writing his laws upon our hearts & in our minds so that what "We" the fleshly weak & fallen would naturally want or desire to do, we therefore now CANNOT do since we are slaves to that higher power: G*D within both WILLING & DOING of his GOOD Pleasure.
        
        His Law is still there to keep, preserve, protect & constrain us. The LAW was never done-away with. it was NEVER "Against us". Only the sacrificial slaughter of innocents on our behalf was "Against us" because "we the people" were making some-thing ELSE Die for our sinful choices & behaviours rather than making the sacrifice of SELF & self pursuits the "Sacrifice".
        
        That sort of practice will always be "Against us"…whether we do it with the blood of bulls & goats or with Messiach via the Name it & Claim it satanic sophistry.
        
        Hebrews 6:6 in verity….a Catholic doctrine of sinning & repenting ad nauseum for a surety keeping the sacrificial "lamb" still affixed to the cross.
        
        THAT is not good news. Good news is not some helicopter coming to our rescue while we are lost out in the sea of sin, & the rescuer being Lowered down to us & him throwing us a flotation device & then telling us: "Hey!!, Jut believe that I'm coming back & that you'll be okay out here in the sea of sin until I get back to get you out of this, and everything will be good with your soul!!" & then LEAVING us there.
        
        Nope, Salvation is a very real immediate pulling the person OUT of that sea of Sin & then the process of warming them up, drying them off, feeding them nourishment and getting them BACK to land.
        
        the problem is, we the people are drowning in the sea of sin & like a drowning person floundering, we try to drown the very person that is trying to rescue us.
        
        We are completely out of our right minds….& the pastors & priests are nothing but satanic powers propped up in place to confuse & prolong with cast-aways in their predicament knowing full well that the passage of time almost assures the beleaguered cast-away less & less chance of escaping that sea of sin through the real salvation FROM SIN (Not while still IN sin) & character development.
        
        But it is prophesied that G*D will have a people thusly constituted.
        
        If not us, why not?, & if not NOW, then when??.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Sealed from the day one is saved:
        
        With your position one could only be saved if done early in life with time to mature as a saved person. Romans 10:9 expresses my believe.
        We strive to mature and grow in knowledge, but salvation if of God.
        
        My understanding of "Replacement Theology" is that The Church replaces the Jews as God's People. I do not subscribe to this theology. If we're so, Israel would've cease to exist, but on the contrary, Israel is under God's protection.
        Many people have died terrible deaths for their faith and many suffer persecution today. But to say we must die for our sins is to negate Jesus offering for them.
        Our believes of whether we procreate or not after resurrection is of minimal importance, but the doctrine of Salvation is eternally critical. If you believe you must suffer FOR your sins, then you will not receive the benefit of Jesus' redemption and forgiveness.
        The whole point of the OT and it's laws is that we are incapable of keeping 1 law or 600. Isaiah 1 describes how God is up to His eyeballs with sacrifices for sins. That's why He sent Messiah, to atone for all sin.
        I don't care whether you are a Judaiser, if you don't believe in the redemptive power f the Blood of Jesus Christ, then you will end up in the Lake of Fire together with Satan.
        So much head knowledge is waisted after all.
        
        Mex.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Would you please rightly divide the fact that the resurrected bodies are incorruptible unlike Adam & Eve's? This means that "New Heaven and New Earth" is not a restoration, but a New System, if you will?
        
        To use an analogy, as you mostly do, if I bring you a 1965 Ford Mustang to "Restore" I expect you to bring my car to its Old Glory (or the perfection of the Ford Motor Genesis). I don't expect you to discard it and build another one from scratch. But God said "behold I make all things new." Would you rightly divide "for the FORMER things have passed away?" [Revelation 2]
        
        It is NOT a restoration but a complete discard and a totally new model. Even our bodies will be incorruptible unlike Adam & Eve's.
      - Casmige
        
        Incorruptible…means that once Death & sin are cast into the lake of Fire that there will be NO MORE CORRUPTION.
        
        After everything is rightly reviewed the promise of Holy Writ is that "Sin shall not arise a 2nd Time".
        
        Incorruptible doesn't mean eternal either.
        
        Each month the tree of Life is to blossom & fruit with a different type of fruit.
        
        The redeemed in the NEW EARTH Certainly will travel (Not fly) & Eat, (Not merely "Appreciate") the fruit of that Tree. WHY would we need to eat of the tree of Life??.
        
        Hmmmm…IDK, maybe to submit ourselves therefore unto G*D & obey (Which is better than the sacrifice of Bulls & Goats: OT there for yah) & eating of the fruit of the tree of life would necessarily MEAN that it is LIFE GIVING…& the inculcation that we will have to do that each month means that the "Lease on Life" is renewed…each month.
        
        I'm sorry about the "New" thing you believe is going to be ushered in.
        
        G*D is the same…wait for it….wait….wait: The SAME Yesterday (Sets precedence), To-day AND TOMORROW, he changes neither himself nor his intentions & commandments….such a suggestion would be sophistry of ah shatan: "Yea, did G*D really say….?"
        
        Messiach's BODY after the resurrection was STILL Ensconced with the SCARS of the crucifixion….it was glorified but it was still able to be "Handled", he still ATE, He still was in HUMAN Form & Flesh…just not with the "Boutons" or proclivity for "Sin".
        Here is a good read on the matter:
        http://pathology.unige.ch/patho/biomol/documents/HoltmaatSvobodaNatRevNeurosci.pdf
        
        Glorified flesh retains memory, retains physicality, retains all things of how we were naturally constituted & created EXCEPT for the "Double-Minded-ness" or duality.
        
        G*D Simply removes as a process of experiential living, the boutons of errant behavious….& makes us of a SINGLE Mindedness (Singularity).
        
        Adam (As they BOTH were called, NOT "Adam & Eve") did indeed have incorruptible natures else ah shatan would not have had to isolate one of them away from the other & then target them with subtlety & sophistry.
        
        "Self" was the issue that the gospel THEN in the garden pre-fall was desinged to solve and is the same issue to resolve Post-Fall.
        
        Self Enthronement in the most holies of holies (Basically the conscience of the frontal lobe area) necessarily forced the prerogative of G*D off of that throne.
        
        This could happen previously, it is promised NOT to happen ever again.
        
        "Self" was there in the garden. It needed, just as you & need to-day, an experiential active relationship developed by interaction with *G*D through every-day struggles, perplexing issues to solve & resolve (I would use the more appropriate English word "Intercourse" but that might completely throw you off although it is very real as close to approximating the relationship that G*D wants to have with us to the end that we become "ONE FLESH" with G*D, JUST as we are with our "Spouse". the Marriage exemplifies & acts as a visual object lesson of this, but it's gotten so corrupted you'll prolly assign it with a label of crassness), the ONLY problem was that "Self" had already separated the pair (What was ADAM The Wife doing alone at the Tree of KoG&E??, & Where the heck was ADAM the Husband???!. He was commanded to protect her….that means he was careless in his "Caring" & became indifferent). I'm sure, much as most parents have warned their Teens to NOT DRINK, to NOT use Drugs, To Not do this or that, that G*D (In the cool of the day, remember?? Happens TWICE a Day: Sun-Rise & Sun-Set) met with them for worship in the garden & discussed these issue with them as a Warning…..but then again, most Churchianity teaches that when Messiach Told Judas "What you do, do thou quickly" that he was encouraging him to go out & betray him.
        
        That's a BOLD FACED LIE: The Holy Writ states the G*D temps NO ONE to sin. Judas was in the throes of going back & forth..should I, should I not…& Messiach was encouraging him to REPENT, Re-think it, NOT do it…because that is ALL that G*D CAN Do…encourage Righteousness.
        
        Self again struggling much as Jacob did at the river jabbok….
        
        Once the redeemed review the reign of ah shatan & the results…….the horrific un-hidden results of all sorts of evil & it is seen for what it so insidiously is ….THAT will lock-in-to-place the promise that sin will never arise a 2nd. time…
        
        But things will simply resume as they were previously to the fall….that is all.
        
        I don't know why some-one would fight this…it's so clearly evident just by sewing a few scriptures to-gether to establish hermeneutical precedence.
        
        Once some-thing appears by G*D in holy writ??….it cannot be done away with nor changed.
        
        What has happened is that Churchianity has gotten people buttoning up the shirt incorrectly…..go, button up a shirt & miss the first button & try to button it up correctly without a wrinkle appearing or the shirt looking ridiculous.
        
        What has to absolutely happen is that people have to put aside their "Learnednes", their supposed education & prejudiced accumulation of information…..& they have to UN-BUTTON that shirt all the way BACK to the beginning, & THEN re-button it carefully.
        
        THEN & only then will the real truth as it was in Messiach be in harmonsy & well understood as the truth as it was in the Physical WORD that walked the garden of eden each day, that inhabited the sanctuary of the wilderness, that is in Nature (Where did ABRAHAM, the father of all Faithful Learn about G*D???).
        
        it's all there…just got to dig for it….or listen for that still small voice perhaps??.
        
        Oh well..this is invigorating to say the least, tho~~!!
        
        Thank you!
        
        =D
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Total NUTS!!
      - Casmige
        
        "As is the case in discussion & debate, those with the facts, will present the facts, while those without the facts, will attack the man: ad hominem, thus revealing their total depravity of just cause & lack of controverting evidence & standing".
        
        THAT quote from my High-school debate teacher. "High-School."
        
        My how low you've set the bar in your retorts.
        They're not even at the level of High-School counter-assertions!!.
        What are you??…like 14??.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Mes, I cannot understand whey we continue to answer such ignorant comments. It is almost impossible to change a person's mind that is so steeped in ignorance, about our FATHER AND HIS SON. Not only you but the rest of the Christians who do care. Maybe, we should know when to give up. Anyway this is he way to badger Christians who he hates, I believe
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I agree. I'm close to dismount this conversation. I was wondering what cult he comes from. He's definitely not a Messianic Jew.
        Thanks,
        
        Mex.
  - http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark
    
    We may be male and female on earth, but not in heaven. The believers will be the bride of Christ. (Matthew 25:1-13, Rev. 19:7-9)
    - Casmige
      
      Re: "We may be male and female on earth, but not in heaven. The believers
      will be the bride of Christ. (Matthew 25:1-13, Rev. 19:7-9)"
      
      Yes, & during that Interim time "In Heaven" the redeemed also will not "Marry nor give in Marriage".
      
      However that interim state COMPLETELY changes once the Books are closed, the white throne judgement transpires & the wicked/satan/& all variances with G*D's original intent of & regarding Creation are done away with & cast into the lake of fire where they are consumed completely & totally wherein thereafter there is a NEW Heavens & a NEW Earth (Restoration) where-upon the Holy-City comes down out of heaven & is planted upon the earth & then G*D's Original design, merely interrupted by sin & the reign of satan, is resumed….as he laid out & intended from the beginning when he pronounced it "Perfect" & "Very-Good" (As in needing no improvement or amendment)…oh, unless you think G*D made a mistake there???.
      
      I'll use G*D's FIRST book of reveleation of his truth to illustrate: natural law & the prospect of creation (For all of creation declare the glory of G*D, no??. That makes "Creation" his FIRST "Book" to mankind to "Study" out the plan of salvation….not from "sin" so much (sin is merely a symptom of the real dis-ease) as much as from self….an ego-centric hubris-induced psychosis of "us" thinking we are G*D & ruling over our "own bodies" & choices of "health-care"…as if we really "own" or have title to these bodies….
      
      so, It's like a healthy body with any "dis-ease". ….the intent of the restorative process is to bring one BACK into full health…a condition FREE from the cause AND the symptoms of dis-ease. Separating one's own self from the umbilicus of the author of life either willingly or ignorantly still brings about the curse of the result…sickness & dis-ease.
      
      You don't really believe that G*D is going to pronounce that all is well with the entire universe of his creation if there is a remaining blot, wrinkle or blemish (Uhhh…say like a compartment of cancer called "hell") do you??.
      
      He'd be a complete liar at that point stating that Death is swallowed up & sin & satan are done-way with.
      
      But, you'll get stuck on that "Eternal Fire" schtick, won't you, thinking that it means that it is everlasting…uhhh, gotta hate L'angalise….always putting the modifier BEFORE the noun.
      
      Everlasting eternal fire is just that: From Eternity, From Everlasting, From G*D.
      
      It's a consuming fire to all that which is at variance to HIM. if G*D is all pervading, inhabiting ALL of his creation & to be FULLY revealed after hiding or cloaking himself in the interim so that none of us are consumed…only to reveal himself at the end of the white-throne judgement (Which is presided by Jebus in the flesh) when ALL Cases will have been decided & reconciled, then & only then will the pronouncement be either a lie, as modern churchianity likes to trick people into believing, that sin will be immortalised (Some-where in G*Ds creation with it's cancerous dis-ease on-going) or it will NOT be there to blight the whole of G*Ds Creation.
      
      One cannot have just a "Little Bit of Residual Cancer" & still be restored back to real health of the whole.
      
      Come on peops…rightly divide the Holy Writ, will yah???…please??.
      
      Don't make satan, sin, dis-ease, death and variance to the all pervading glory of G*D some-how on equal PAR with him & his creation…& please don;t bring that cancerous fable along with your itching ears into the restored Heavens & New Earth, Please??.
      
      Yous guys are smarter than this…n'est pas??.
    - Evermyrtle
      
      key, Cas… evidently has hours on his hands to be able to write all of this garbage, Most people would be ashamed to put their "handle" on such tripe.
      Forget about him/her and get on with you own work.
  - aceituna
    
    When the Saducees tried to show Jesus up during Holy Week by stating an absurd senario concerning leverite marriage about a woman whose husband died and there were no sons so according to leverite marriege the brother of her husband was to marry her and father a son who would be considered her dead husband's son for the sake of inherritance. They continued the saga to include 5 more brothers, none giving her a son, then asked Jesus, which man would be considered her husband in heaven. (Saducees do not believe in life after death) Jesus answer was "There is neither marraiage nor giving in marriage in heaven, but righteousness and joy in the Holy Spirit. Just as a little girl outgrows her need to play with dolls when she becomes an adult and mother, so I believe that when we reach heaven we will have outgrown the need for a marriage relationship and will have a newer very special relationship with each other which we are not mature enough to understan while still here on earth.
    - Casmige
      
      Agreed…so the deeper examination & answer would not have benefited them.
      
      You can't sell a car to some-one who is not in the market to BUY a car.
      
      Beside, the leverite law was a part of the Mosiac Law….much like the Kabbalah.
      
      the Kabbalah being merely a collection of opinions from previous Rabbi's…opinions that are valuable only because they offer insight to those minds of those Rabbi's but they certainly cannot & should not eclipse that of the Septuagint or G*Ds law.
      
      Separate & completely distinct from the precepts of G*D (Written by his own finger) set about as a way to socially "manage" the newly brought out of slavery people.
      
      Slavery here in the States was wrong, it was bad, it was immoral…& even the FOUNDERS of America recognised this & proposed the same in the founding Documents.
      
      Even MORE Immoral would be to have FREED those slaves immediately without properly or adequately preparing the road-way to freedom or at least shoring up the foundational aspects on which to BUILD the house of Freedom for the Slaves.
      
      Laws were introduced to "manage" things until an opportune time wherein the slaves could be freed & it certainly wasn't at the founding of a Country asserting their independence from England. There would have been TOO MUCH confusion & too many issues up in the air to properly focus on resolving.
      
      So too was the mosiac law instituted…& why that "Law" hung on the OUTSIDE of the Arc of the Covenant that enshrined G*Ds law inside of it.
      
      The Mosiac law was an interim outline to manage a newly free SLAVE population.
      
      Certainly at your age you can properly understand these concepts as over-head projector over-lays of comparative & like-wise inter-related issues.
      
      Nothing changes over time. All things that were, are the same as now.
      
      As to your age versus my age. Critical thinking & examination of what I write should clue you in.
      
      Plus the penchant for responding beyond the single sentence retort that usually lacks depth of thinking or composition.
      
      PLUS, the predominantly proper use of punctuation, spelling & sentence structure.
      
      But I am only a calf in a stall…..a lowly carrier pigeon amongst many.
  - Evermyrtle
    
    Casmige_Were you educated at all, if you were? I seems you know nothing about GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST, except to deride them and that is done, always in ignorance.
    
    A question, why does it bother you so much that we know the FATHER AND THE SON? The information is there for all who want it, it is not hidden away. Oh, you don't want it, you don't care!! Then why do you go on and on and on and……………about what we believe?.
    - Casmige
      
      John 8:33-49
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
  
  Inequality does not imply injustice. It is completely just that a man who works 60 hours a week can afford better things than one who works 40 hour a week, because he put in the extra effort for it. They are equal before the law, but their outcomes are unequal according to their differences.
  - Mex Seiko
    
    Inequality is seen as injustice in today's world. Perhaps in Jesus' world as well as shown in his parable of the land owner who offered the same amount of pay to men who would start at different times in he day. He was referring to the riches all receive regardless of the life they've had, but the reaction in the parable was of protesting the amount received in relation to worked performed compared to others working less while receiving the same pay.
    It appears we will all receive the same riches, but there will be rewards for works. This may be seen as inequality, but it may not be the focus of the article.
    I resent the statement that many Christians may have aversion to free enterprise, yet I digress as there are many Christians on the left who feel government solves domestic economical problems. If wasn't true the Democratic party would loose many votes.
    Mex.
  - Evermyatle
    
    Equality??Who cares? Who is worried about it? We, as Christians know it has been prepared for us from the foundation the world, using HIS plans and Christian are not worried about it. We know it will be run by GOD for GOD'S people and we are mostly interested, worried at making it that far. We will accept HIS will for what HE has planned for us.
    
    Mat. 25:31-34
    31 When the SON OF MAN shall come in HIS glory, and all the holy angels with HIM then shall HE sit upon the throne of HIS glory:
    32. And before HIM shall be gathered all nations: and HE shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats.
    33. And HE shall set the sheep on HIS right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34. Then shall the KING say unto the sheep on HIS right hand, but the goats on the left.
    
    READ THE REST OF THE CHAPTER 35-46 FOR THE ENTIRE INFORMATION.
http://twitter.com/tacwash Larry Killion

We need to know what is meant by equality. The article clearly shows two kinds of equality – equal opportunity and equal outcome. Everyone in glory will have equal opportunity to praise God. The twenty four elders in Rev.4:10 represent the saints of all ages. The Bible says that believers are joint-heirs with Christ Rom.8:17. The parables also teach that there are degrees of rewards Matt.25:14-29. Ironically, it seems that the greatest in glory will be the most humble. Matt.20:27. There is a difference between Salvation and Service. All believers receive the same salvation. Jn.3:16. Our rewards for service however will vary and will be given according to divine righteousness. Matt.16:27.
Cynthia

Yes, there will be inequality in Heaven. Some of us will receive more than others after God has judged us with fire and will have more treasure given to us. That's what our works on Earth are all about. Others will have just gotten in by the skin of their teeth and will be grateful for that. That doesn't mean that God will treat us all differently. He loves us all equally.
Casmige

Yes, there will be.

G*D's Creation is one of Diversity & "Apparent" Inequality….even pre-sin era.
I personally would not WANT to be in the realm of a supposed heaven where every-one had the very exact same EQUAL experience, knowledge, View-Point, Ability, Et Cetera …. it would be a bland hell of indifference & no better than non-existence.

If all were one Colour, One stature, one intelligence, one ability…we might as well all be "The Borg".

There is blessed discovery in learning, growing, struggling….

Just as Elijah & Enoch (Who were BOTH "Translated") enjoy the precedence of being in the heavenly realm previous to others, in like manner as will others, who, having had the chance to draw ever nearer to the Creator in experiential knowledge & communion in the here & now willl enjoy a level of closeness & Intimacy that others who were either careless, indifferent or late-comers to the Knowledge & communion will not have.
NOT that they cannot have it…it will be linear, though in learning & growing.
I'll use a crude albeit apropos example:
My father is smart, he is experienced, he has varied interests.Although I am "Created in his Image" due to the law of Inheritance, I also enjoy & some-times abhor the expression of OTHER Branches of my Lineage.

Some were smarter, others not so smart or at least not bold enough to pursue expression of their "Inheritance" a& abilities.

If NONE OF THEM Had never passed on (Logically STOPPING the progress of natural advancement) & indeed were still living…then no matter what I learned nor gained in ability or experience would never eclipse or even come CLOSE to that of my Father or lineage.

Sorry, Inequality breeds servitude & a wonderful symbiosis of inter-dependability, social as well as intimate intercourse & development.

If the new earth is going to be one of Equality??…OMGZ, I seriously do not want to be there, then.

Inequality ='s diversity…..unless one is a Demoncratic-leftist.
http://www.facebook.com/richard.r.tryon Richard R. Tryon

We have no Biblical or logical reason to expect that souls gain entrance as a function of Earthly economic, political or whatever is thought to be social performance. The biblical concept of atonement, or as the Hebrew translation may best say- "at one with God"is the measure of condition that puts whatever God intended to make us fit into His plan that counts.

It is my conviction that God has no need to destroy what He created, but that does not mean that all souls from Earth carry an electronic charge that is tuned to be like a magnetic strip hotel room key that takes our departed soul from our dead body for immediate transport at the speed of light to only one favorable place we call Heaven or another of perhaps millions of different shades of half-way houses for further preparation as needed to ultimately join with all others that reach the same condition. We think in terms of time and immediate responses. God no doubt took eons of what we call time to create our Universe and none of us knows how many more solar systems like ours in this or any number of universes.

So, it is foolish to think of economic or political or social notions of inequality as being related to being connected to a soul that is ill or well prepared upon the moment of our demise here. Suffice it to say, some may have learned more than others in preparation without immutable correlation to our earthly attitudes, activities and convictions or lack thereof. So, cast aside the idea that we must help the poorest so as to disqualify them too; or conversely, that we should make all but one Midas be so poor as to gain automatic admission.

No doubt each of us is capable of regeneration, teaching and/or learning in some way beyond life here on Earth and perhaps move closer to atonement in the process or perhaps even going backwards, albeit I hope not here to reinforce the need of new souls to experience evil. We seem to be already self-empowered for evil by God's gift of free-will to each of us!
aceituna

Read Matthew 25:15-30. Each received his talents according to his personal ability. Does that sound like equality of outcome? God has created each of us uniquely and has a certain nitch for us to fulfill here on earth. We are to use the talents he has given us to do his will here on earth. What happened when the master returned. Each received an award according to how well he fulfilled his duty. That is how one who believes in Jesus as his Savior from sin will be placed in heaven in heaven. I believe that I am saved by the death and resurrection of Jesus who took the punishment I deserve, I am saved through grace alone. How I react to this good news and how I spend my life will be the criteria by which God places me in whatever nitch He has prepared for me in heaven, (note Jesus has already won heaven for me – I don't get there by doing good). Whatever I learn here on earth is to be a preparation for whatever I will do in heaven. One who squanders his talents on something worldly will lose out because he doesn't believe in Jesus as his Savior. Whatever I will do in heaven will be completely satisfying as as Mallin11 said in his comments and Evermyrtle commented about the kind of charactor we will exhibit in heaven.
LouiseCA

One of the best articles I've read on the subject. There are degrees of rewards in Heaven. There are also degrees of punishment in Hell. That can be backed up by Scripture. What would be "unfair" would be for God to reward every one of us the same, no matter how holy or unholy our lives or if we did all we could with what He gave us, or not. I don't see how anyone can fail to see that with even a fair amount of reading of Scripture.
TheTruthSpeaker

Anyone who know the Bible knows the truth. Yes, by our standards, there will surely be inequalities in heaven. Salvation is free and equal; however, our rewards and the positions that we will have in heaven will be very unequal because they are based on our works here on earth. There ia also a certain amount of inequality shown in the parable of the talents. They were give different amounts and were rewarded for what they had done with what was given. There is one big difference in heaven and that is that there one will not find envy and greed.
- fort9erdon
  
  Could you please provide me with some scripture versus to back up what you are saying.
  I believe the parable of Jesus, where he describe a landowner, who hired various laborers, at different times throuout the day, but at the end of the day, he paid tham all the same, even though some had labored the whoe day, some had labored 1/2 the day and the remaining had only labored one hour, yet all received the same reward. I think this parable answers EXACTLY the questioned posed here. Heaven will be equal to all.
  - petroskhan
    
    I believe he is referring to this parable Jesus told:
    
    Matthew 25
    "14 For it is like a man who went on a journey. He called his servants and delivered his possessions to them.
    15 And to one indeed he gave five talents, and to another, two, and to another, one, to each according to his ability. And he went immediately on his journey.
    16 And going, the one who received the five talents worked with them and made another five talents.
    17 In the same way, the one with the two also did; he also gained another two.
    18 But going away, the one who received the one dug in the earth and hid his Master's silver.
    19 And after much time, the master of those slaves came and took account with them.
    20 And coming up, the one who received five talents brought another five talents near, saying, Master, you delivered five talents to me. Behold, I gained another five talents above them.
    21 And his Master said to him, Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful over a few things; I will set you over many. Enter into the joy of your Master.
    22 And the one who received two talents also coming up, he said, Master, you delivered two talents to me. Behold, I have gained two other talents above them.
    23 His Master said to him, Well done, good and faithful slave. You were faithful over a few things, I will set you over many. Enter into the joy of your Master.
    24 And the one who received the one talent also coming up, he said, Master, I knew you, that you are a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you did not scatter;
    25 and being afraid, going away, I hid your talent in the earth. Behold, you have yours.
    26 And answering, his Master said to him, Evil and lazy slave! You knew that I reap where I did not sow, and I gather where I did not scatter.
    27 Then you ought to have put my silver to the bankers, and coming I would have received my own with interest.
    28 Therefore, take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.
    29 For to each who has, more will be given, and he will abound. But from him who does not have, even that which he has will be taken from him.
    30 And throw the worthless slave out into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of the teeth.
  - aceituna
    
    Yes, all received a home in heaven, but their position in heaven is assigned according to how each uses the gifts that God has given him.
    - fort9erdon
      
      I respectfully, very respectfully disagree.
    - Pastor Dwayne
      
      I agree!!!!
edc

Equal men are not free, and free men are not equal. We were created equal in that we all were born in like manner but thay's where it ends.
JDH

Fair means having equal opporunity, which the Constiution does offer to us. as does the Bible. neither guarantees success. The Constitution was written by people who read and believed in the Bible. I will put my money on the wise men who wrote the Constituton and not those who subvert either document.
Marilyn K. Smith

In God's hands and under His reign, all will be "fair" and we will agree with it all because the One who judges "fairness" is always "fair." Inequality??? Not man's inequality but God's Righteousness!!!
millergroup2

Mark 14:7
Jesus said : The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.

There will never be "equality". When a man works more, he gets paid more. God does require us to help those in need. Feed them and bring them to an understanding of the gospel. There is no such thing as equal.