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Study: Abortion Not Necessary to Save Mothers' Lives

The argument for an abortion when a mother’s life is in danger is no longer valid. At least it’s not if you believe leading medical experts presenting their study findings at the International Symposium on Maternal Health held in Dublin, Ireland.

Experts in obstetrics and gynecology, mental health and molecular biology concluded that direct abortion is not medically necessary to save the life of a woman with high-risk pregnancy, cancer in pregnancy or other issues.

“We uphold that there is a fundamental difference between abortion, and necessary medical treatments that are carried out to save the life of the mother—even if such treatment results in the loss of life of her unborn child,” the group said. “We confirm that the prohibition of abortion does not affect, in any way, the availability of optimal care to pregnant women.”

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  • fliteking

    "Study: Abortion Not Necessary to Save Mothers’ Lives"

    Still less-than-intelligent liberals will continue to believe 'Abortion saves lives.'

    • catzpaw48

      Abortion is just a means of birth control for liberals. You are right about them being less-than-intelligent. If they had any brains they would use contraceptives and save themselves a lot of trouble.

      • Chris

        We do use contraceptives and my wife still needed an abortion. You people are raving jerks.
        How would "liberal" contraceptives have saved a friend from being raped by her father?

        • Evermyrtle

          You do not say why she needed an abortion! Was there some kind of unusual problem or did she just not want a child?. If you did not want him or her, there are literally thousands of couples out there who would be so glad to adopt your little girl or your little boy. Many of them don't care about if it is a boy or girl. There is no need to murder it, just give him or her away.

        • A.

          Chris,
          Bull! Your wife did not "need" an abortion. It was the route you chose and there is no other excuse you can use!

        • Old Observer

          Have you any idea how many people unable to conceive would have been happy to adopt that baby? Yes, I know that situations involving pre-eclampsia used to involve termination of pregnancies, but they know much more now.

          • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kelly-Kafir/100001899500966 Kelly Kafir

            I am one that can't have children and nothing would make me happier than being able to adopt some libtard's kid and raise it a good conservative Christian!! :)

          • Evermyrtle

            There are thousands like you in this country, there is no need for abortion because we do want a child, make some couple extremely happy and give them a child instead of murdering him/her

          • savetheusa2

            Me, too! It is heartbreaking, but years ago my doctor said there weren't enough babies.

        • A.

          So she's pregnant by her father. Is that a good excuse to murder the unborn? Do you exspect a child to be born with a forked tongue, three heads or some other significant deformity? There are plenty of normal children born from incest and not all are genetic freaks! Poor Chrs, you're such a fol!

          • Evermyrtle

            Amen, it is not the baby's fault it is where it is, it is still a human child. That reminds me a little of throwing a bag full of puppies in the river with the top of the bag tied shut. You don't have the nerve to kill them while you look at them and you never have to look at your baby and know you killed it.

          • Robert30

            Were you always retarded or is it just your Alzheimer's disease speaking up.
            Hope your husband, if you had one, had the good fortune to die early and not have to spend life with such a mentally disturbed person.

          • Evermyrtle

            Such hate can never be understood, nobody has ever been able to explain what cause's it, in such huge volume. I believe it is the absence of GOD AND HIS SON, JESUS CHRIST in their lives.

          • Robert30

            A.=Ass69e!
            It is more than obvious that your are a product of incest. Not only do you have a forked tongue you are obviously Anencephalic

          • Evermyrtle

            Look who is talking!!!!!!

          • Old Observer

            OHO–now he's throwing in a medical term–perhaps he's a nurse's aide?

          • Jeff Dixon

            You carry the baby of someone who raped you for nine months and then let us talk.

        • catzpaw48

          Raving lunatics murder defenseless unborn babies. Try getting a vasectomy. If done right, it is infallible.

          • Evermyrtle

            That will beat murder 100 to one.

          • Robert30

            Lets do a vasectomy on every male over 12. That would take care of a lot of things.
            Then he could screw anything that walks or vegetable, animal or mineral and it does no harm.
            I would really pay for that honor to see them lined up.

        • Linda F.

          And what if, God forbid, your wife had died as a result of the abortion? Would you still be an abortion advocate? Just stop and think about that, Chris.

          • Robert30

            Because of the life or death of his wife he would be even more pro female.
            An abortion was accomplished and the patient is living and well. Have you had your yearly pap smear done?

          • Evermyrtle

            I wonder what a pap smear has to do with baby murder?

          • Linda F.

            Being pro-abortion does not make Chris, or you, pro-female. It makes you pro-murder. I do not need you, or Chris, or any other advocate of murder to defend me. And I'm more than certain that there are plenty of other women who are willing to tell you the exact same thing. You are nothing more than a disgusting, hate-filled, small-minded troll. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you were some bored, cowardly boy hiding behind your computer screen. Going by the lack of maturity that has been displayed in your posts, I think it's safe to say that description of you is pretty accurate.

            Consider this my last reply to you.

        • Robert30

          My point exactly@183772cce26394bcc495ca2bc3fde012:disqus

        • http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton

          No, you're just angry because we're calling you out on your sins. You want sex without responsibility, and that makes you scum. If you don't want to be called a monster, stop acting like one.

      • Old Observer

        Oh, but they want someone else to buy them for them—heaven forbid they should have to spend a few dollars of their own–TAKE SOME RESPONSIBILITY for yourselves in respect to birth control—take precautions–or don't do it!!

        • Robert30

          Ever hear of rape or incest. 33% of all abortions are the results of the moves made by these fine, upstanding men who knocked up these females by force.

          • Old Observer

            Yes—but even these babies could be adopted rather than killed

          • petroskhan

            I'm curious where you got that number of 33%. I've checked, and the numbers I've found are between 0.5 and 1.0%. I would be interested to know how you found a number so much higher.

          • Evermyrtle

            You are so mistaken, you should just keep quiet, like this you won't make a fool of yourself. At least get the facts before speaking!!

          • savetheusa2

            That is NOT true! 3% of abortions are the result of rape and incest. I know a few girls who have had five abortions. It is a convenience. Most women want their child, but need help.

      • Robert30

        How quickly you forget! Your own damned platform for you republicons is filled with anti contraceptive moves as well as those against abortion. They also stand against In Vitro Fertilization. Strange since all of romney's boys had to produce their progeny that way.
        Talk about the Wuss factor.

        • savetheusa2

          I don't know the exact name, but there are studies that more children born by in vitro have birth defects.

    • Evermyrtle

      Abortion is less safe that birth of a full term child. I have read of several mothers be who have died on the butchers table. Reports show that many times the conditions are unsanitary and person doing the crime is not qualified, cuts a hole in the uterus and mother bleeds to death, because the source is afraid to sent patient to the emergency room. It is very seldom that a mother dies birthing a baby.

      • fliteking

        Agreed.

      • Chris

        Rubbish. Where are your statistics? Child birth is still dangerous. You religious people never check your facts – you just go off on unsupportable tangents because you think your Bible makes you all knowing.

        • Evermyrtle

          I have seen no supportable proof from you to uphold your arguments, so why do you ask for them from us. Your only proof comes in bullying vicious responses. I read a report yesterday where one mother's uterus was punctured and was allowed to lie bleeding for hours before she was sent to the emergency room. She had lost so much that she could not be saved. Two lives lost!! Why did they wait so long to get help, was it because they knew they were in big trouble. These are the people that you people are trying to protect.

          • Robert30

            Your opinion is of no consequence. Everyone here knows what and who you are.
            One person died? Big deal. Thousands have died in the wars of george bush and dickie cheney. How concerned are you about the outright murder of thousands of innocent muslims.
            Why do you think there is so much unrest in the Middle East today. When bush opened Pandora's Box he let loose far more than he could handle.
            Now just try and blame this mess on President Obama when it is a direct result of the bush regimes.

          • Evermyrtle

            How many have died around the world since obumbo has been the KING. And look, he has given us legal homosexuality and beastality. He hates GOD and HIS SON and promotes procedures that they hate in such things as partial birth abortion, this means killing them just as they are ready to come-out into the world. In fact he promotes dragging them out just part way and puncturing the brain cavity………………..He is responsible for the death of thousands.

            Are you an anti-GOD, Anti-CHRIST, along with him??.

          • Kronae

            We are with him all the way you stupid ass howle~ You get the formal Hawaiian version. You have the procedure all wrong.
            Sen me your email address and I will be happy to send you real pictures of the actual procedure.
            It is really very clean and antiseptic. The brain is not punctured just squished so the skull can be collapsed. Nothing there anyway.
            Homosexuality has always been legal. It is even written in your bible how your leaders had gay sex, practiced incest and bestiality and even have sex with pagans. Interesting book you believe in.

          • Evermyrtle

            Why are these people so filled with hate? They seem to think if you do not agree with them you are only worthy of hate. Hate is destroying this country, which once was filled with the love of GOD. The land if filled with people with anti-GOD morals and Satan's and his select ones love it that way. If you dare disagree with that means you are stupid.

            The Hawaiian version is the one you have accepted. GOD'S people have accepted HIS version which is the correct one, the one that cans save us, to live with HIM through out all eternity.

            Matthew 25: 31-34
            31. When the SON OF MAN shall come in HIS glory, and all the Holy Angels with HIM,then shall HE sit upon the throne of HIS glory:
            32. And before HIM shall be gathered all nations; and HE shall separate them one from another; as a shepherd divides his sheep from the goats:
            33. And HE shall set the sheep on HIS right hand, but the goats on the left.
            34. Then shall the KING say unto them on HIS right hand, Come, you blessed of my FATHER, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

            read the rest of this story Matt 35-46 to get all the information about this issue.

          • Esther

            What about the statistic that more people die of medical mistakes than in wars every year. It is one of the ones I look up every year for my chemistry students who want to enter the medical field (and don't want to learn how to calculate how much medicine should be given to a person of given weight)

            e.g., http://www.leanblog.org/2009/08/statistics-on-healthcare-quality-and/

          • Evermyrtle

            Maybe my opinion is of no consequence to liberals and that is the way I like it. I do not believe in any of your and-GOD, antichrist idiocy because I 'KNOW MY SAVIOR LIVES!" It is such a shame that so many people have been blinded by the "god of the world" and you cannot see this truth, it will make a difference where you spend our eternity. It is not too late you can still confess the JESUS CHRIST IS YOUR SAVIOR.

          • Bar-Eliam

            You are senile and terribly deluded. We do hope you get some medications from your physician they can help you if you let them. The imaginations you have are
            very destructive to living your daily life and it could be so much easier. To make life better for you check with your Gerontologist.

        • A.

          Chris,
          Most of your posts bear a striking resemblance to bovine excrement! You are definitely "statistically challenged." As an Intern I did over two hundred deliveries and not one death. Even in a patient with retained portions of the placenta. She was bleeding and we got to work correcting the situation log before she was in any trouble. Not like sitting around in a PP "clinic" in Chicago for five hours bleeding before anyone transferred her to a medical facility for treatnement and then it was too late. Someone in that "clinic" should be charged with "negligent homicide" as a minimum. Murder in the first might be a better charge. Either stop your lying, get your "facts" straight or shut up and stop making a fool of yourself.

          • petroskhan

            But…but…if Chris stopped what he's doing, then we would have to find another source of entertainment! You know how hard it would be to replace him??

          • Robert30

            What you would have to find is a way to find the truth and not the crap posted by religious nuts and mormon zealots.

          • Robert30

            His facts are straight on. It is you who is making a fool of yourself. Lets see…how many years has it been since anyone has had to do an internship? 50, 60 years ago. Sounds like the Canadian system has failed again in producing anything that resembled a physician or surgeon.
            Look fellow..people do Residencies now internships are passe with the exception of foreign students.
            Why are you concerned with what is done in the US.

          • Old Observer

            O, really?They were doing them at Rochester memorial and their school of medicine when I left there in 91–that's less than 50 or 60 yrs ago–since when did the practice actually stop??

          • Evermyrtle

            All who do not believe in? All who do not believe in JESUS CHRIST as SAVIOR AND THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD is an antichrist. In the end days HE will separate the believers from the antichrist and take HIS with HIM to a place which HE has prepared for us, the others will go to the place prepared for them

          • A.

            For your infornmation the internship year has been rolled into the residency program. Now, instead of a "Rotating Internship" that year is spent in the general area of your Residency. I did both a Rotating Internship and a residency. For your information again, we were not allowed to pur ourselves forward as specialtists in Canada while we were onbly "Board Eligible" as wasm and still is, practiced in the united states. We had a very rigorus examination process in Canada. And some of the world's best apecialists came from and, still come from Canada. You need to get a little more education before yous spout off foolishness!

          • Kronae

            Obviously there is always a rush to American hospitals and doctors for treatment by the very stupid Canadians. Hospitals there are basically for cats and dogs and the rest for your immigrants who don't know the difference.
            You are obviously old and senile. Goddess help those you may possibly ever attempt to treat. Why is it when you do produce a half way decent medical person they have to come here and work in a far lesser position until they can obtain a proper US medical education. You people are admitted under the same standards as any other foreign student. I have had the unfortunate opportunity to run into a few canadian doctors and they were so poorly trained they didn't know a Kelly's
            forceps from a Bistoury.
            You just need to quite down old man and take your meds…your time is up.

        • Old Observer

          Ah, Chris–we can always depend on you to be the devil's advocate! Some day, you will find that the Bible was true, that God exists, and that there will be a penalty for your refusal to believe! Yes, there are potential problems during childbirth, but medical advances are making it safer all the time.

          • Robert30

            And where did you get your medical training.
            Medicine is not getting better there are more errors than ever. There are many problems found in childbirth and Abortion is the safest modality of all.

          • Old Observer

            RN–New York state—where did you get yours? What an unhappy person you sound like! to prefer abortion—it may actually be best in a given situation–but simply for birth control?

          • Robert30

            You are too old to do anything so you just observe. My education is my business just is that of President Obama.
            Love that man. Wonder if his gorgeous wife would loan him out to me for a while.

          • Evermyrtle

            Your education is only your own business, so why do you think other people's education is your business, too. You do not contribute any meaning comments only complaints, with what other people are writing. Who on earth do you even read our crap. Nobody is forcing you to read what you hate. GET A LIFE!!

            By the way, hos do you know how old the "Old Observer is?? How old are you?? Past the age of good reasoning?

          • Old Observer

            LOL–Old Observer is not afraid to state age—73 next month—I would guess Robert30 may just be his age—–(30)–perhaps he'll grow up one of these years–

          • Evermyrtle

            I have you covered, I am 82 and still kicking strongly. Wait until he gets as old as we are maybe he will have learned something, something worth knowing.

        • BlueViolets

          The Bible does not make anyone all knowing. I have no idea what you think makes you all knowing though. Us religious people do believe that human life is precious. It is not something you throw away or excise because it is inconvenient or might keep you from the prom. You were once in the same position as those fetuses. It's a bit of a chller to think you may have ended up on the operating room floor had your mother not wanted to bother having you or thought it too dangerous or inconvenient. Lucky you.

          • Robert30

            It is not your choice and you have no right to impose your silly beliefs upon another who couldn't care less.
            Take you crap and sell it elsewhere.

          • Evermyrtle

            You sell the crap we are only stating the truth, for those who choose to believe, those who do not, that is their choice.You have the choice to read it and gripe about or not to read it..That is the difference in you and us, you want to force your crap, is it, on us, it won't work.

            Something you may be able to tell me, which has never been explained to me….Why do you and people like you get so angry at out comments and blast away with both barrels of, what did you call it, on I see it, crap??.

        • Linda F.

          Have YOU checked your facts, Chris? Have you heard of Tonya Reaves, or the other women who have died at the hands of butchers who are performing abortions? I don't think you know as much as you claim, Chris.

          • Robert30

            One or two deaths is this all you can provide? You can't even post the resolution of the cases you cite.
            What about all those who have died at the hand of surgeons many times over every day of the week.
            Do you want to outlaw all those procedures.
            What about the dead foeti? Want them kept in the uterus to poison the woman.
            The day will come when you, obviously no you as you are out of the game, but some relative of yours needs an abortion in order to survive.
            Are you going to stand there with a sign and screaming murder?

          • Old Observer

            When the baby has died in utero–and that happened to a friend of mine–then, yes–it needs to be removed. There is nothing so heartbreaking as to know the baby you are carrying is no longer viable. But a healthy, living baby? there are so many waiting to adopt—

          • Robert30

            There is no "baby" that is just one of the catch used by those who are misogynists.
            All you will find is a small clump of undifferentiated cells going no where in a hurry.
            Looks like a hunk of grape jelly. Think of that next time you eat your peanut butter and jam sandwich.
            If it were up to me everyone could have an abortion until 6 months postpartum.

          • Evermyrtle

            That is quite obvious, what you were and seems that you never outgrew it. But most babies have a heartbeat within 2 weeks I believe and soon it has a brain, little finger, little toes, and all the organs to make life outside the uterus possible, unless it is slaughtered

            There is one I think of, quite often , if the parents of all the baby murderers were aborted we would not be having this problem today. Then I ask myself, wouldn't that be murder, too. Can't win for losing.

          • Jeff Dixon

            It is rather hard to abort parents. But keep trying.

          • Esther

            One can divorce parents though, I would recommend that to some people I know. First cases I know of this kind were in Florida in the early 1990s.

          • Old Observer

            You are flat out disgusting–grape jelly–sheesh! That's very early on–not thibking of it as a baby is the way you people get around avoiding feeling guilty for murder!

          • Linda F.

            What can we expect from someone who advocates the murder of unborn children? In this regard, abortion advocates are all alike.

          • Linda F.

            There are far more abortion-related deaths, Robert30. But hey! Why should the facts matter to you? You're more concerned about advocating murder than you are with the truth.

            And by the way, Bob: If the baby is already dead in the womb, then of course it needs to be removed. The removal of a baby who has already died in the womb, due to natural causes, is not murder! And you have displayed your utter foolishness by suggesting that just because I'm against abortion, then I'm "obviously" against the removal of an already dead child!

        • littledove517

          @Chris – The thing is, is that we believe in the One who is all knowing, and the Bible is His Word "For the word of God is LIVING and POWERFUL, and SHARPER than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the division of soul an spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. And there is no CREATURE hidden from His sight, but ALL things are naked and open to the eyes of Him to whom WE Must give account" (Hebrews 4:12-13). This means you are not hidden from His eyes and you can go no where to hide from Him, and He knows all your thoughts and all that you harbor within your heart for it is the heart of a person that He looks upon, and He knows what is in your heart, and He will come into your heart and give to you His peace and love, His wisdom, knowledge, and understanding if you open your heart to Him and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. He is waiting but He will not come into your heart and life unless He is invited. It's your choice, for He has done all that He can so that one can have eternal life with Him apart from the evil one. His word is all knowing, and His ways are pure, and just, and righteous, and His word will stand forever for Jesus is the Word. "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus), and the Word (Jesus) was with God (the Father), and the Word (Jesus) was God" (John 1-2). Yes, His word is forever, and His word will never change to suite you or me, or anyone. He is the Eternal One, and His word follows Him. He is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, and no one can come to the Father except through His Son Jesus.

          • Evermyrtle

            littledove, Excellent post, thanks for stating it so well.

        • Evermyrtle

          Child Birth has been going on for at least 6,000 years and there are those still don't understand what it means. This is the only way a person can get into the world and everyone of us along with the baby murders got here through the same procedure. None of us who are here were murdered therefore we are most of us enjoying life. I do thank GOD that he did not give me a mother who would murdrr me.

      • Robert30

        Guess what happens in back alley abortions?
        Most of them die of Sepsis.
        There is MORE danger in progressing to delivery of POC's than it is to have a safe abortion carried out in a qualified hospital or clinic.

    • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

      I always suspected that the "abortion is necessary in some cases" argument was just another liberal lie to justify killing a baby, but now there is apparently medical evidence to support my suspicions. Not to mention, many women are killed by 'legal' abortions:

      "The Blackmun Wall is a listing of the women killed by legal abortions, along with information regarding the circumstances of their death. We named this project after Harry Blackmun. Justice Blackmun was the U.S. Supreme Court justice who wrote the Roe v. Wade decision, which legalized abortion and launched America's Holocaust.

      The abortion picture painted by pro-choice advocates is that the US Supreme Court and Justice Harry Blackmun's Roe vs. Wade and Doe vs. Bolton decisions turned abortionists into doctors. Abortion clinic operators like Planned Parenthood like to pretend that the decision written by Justice Blackmun made abortions safe and legal, but the truth is that making abortion legal never made abortion safe. Abortionists are the bottom-feeders of the medical profession and abortion procedures jeopardize the health of the mother in order to terminate pregnancy. 'Safe legal abortions' killed every one of the women on this site."

      http://www.lifedynamics.com/Pro-life_Group/Pro-choice_Women/

      • Robert30

        You are just another religious nut.
        I can speak from much personal experience that under no circumstances are those who do abortions bottom feeders.
        They are amongst the top money making docs in the profession. Think about it this way.
        Your friendly local Gyn/Ob type makes his money doing procedures for female patients not in doing deliveries. Those can be done by UPS.
        Rushing to the hospital in the middle of the night just doesn't happen any longer. Perhaps out in the wilderness of the fly over states but not in the real world with big medical centers.

        • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

          You call me a religious nut, yet you do not offer any facts, only conjecture. It is incredible that you can be in favor of the hideous practice of ripping a baby from its mother's womb and dismembering it, or puncturing its skull with forceps, to cause a horrible, painful death. And I have provided factual information to show that it can also result in the death of the mother. And you call me nutty for opposing this? Unbelievable.

          • Robert30

            No! I call you an outright liar who is posting information that is not true and events that have never occurred.

          • Evermyrtle

            Really, I have not sern anyone calling you a liar, when it is obvious that you are either a liar or simply ignorant.

          • http://www.answersingenesis.org/ keyboardshark

            Then please post your "facts" that prove me wrong with a citation or link.

        • Evermyrtle

          Still hate oozing out of the heart of Mr 30. I believe you need to get some medical l help. Something must be wrong. Get your heart checked out. It is bone dry of love.

          • Old Observer

            More of a psychiatric issue, perhaps—

  • Reginald Watts MD FRCS(C)

    I have known that abortion was not necessary for at least forty-nine years. Prior to internsip I was prepared to argue for abortion to save the life of the mother. During my internship I cared for a woman who would, in my opinion, have been a prime candidate for an abortion. However, she was medically stabilized and went on to deliver a healthy child. Crow doesn't taste particularly good when you have to eat it, but eat it I did and changed my opinion. In the almost fifty years since I have never seen a case where abortion was necessary to save the life of a woman. Some procedures may, as a side effect, incur the destruction of the unborn, but that is a separate issue entirely!

    • Old Observer

      I was told-40 something years ago–that my last pregnancy should be terminated-that there were a number of problems. We did end up with placenta previa, but we both made it–I was not a nurse then, and only after I became one did I realize what a risk we took. The better way would not have been an abortion,– but a C-section! My daughter is 43 now, and I am so glad I refused to terminate–as I look at her, I can't help but wonder what those who opt for abortion have missed by throwing away those babies.

    • Grumpy Granny

      As I grandmother, I have realized that my children and grandchildren are my greatest earthly wealth. I once heard and older woman say, "Who else will love you when you are old and ugly?"

      • Spikeygrrl

        Grumpy: If you think blood descent is enough to make ANYONE automatically love you, think again.

        Blood children and grandchildren will sell you out without a second thought. Chosen Family, on the other hand — i.e. "relatives" by adoption or friendship or marriage — will stick with you because they share your beliefs (BY DEFINITION you share core values, else why did you Choose each other in the first place?)
        I know whereof I speak: My only [adult] child and I have been completely estranged for ten years now over politics. I have never met my grandchildren and probably never will. OTOH, I was there for my adoptive parents until the end of their lives DESPITE substantial political disagreements. My husband, who is active-duty military, has been totally estranged from HIS family of origin for about the same period because of politics, religion, and other personal choices. His military buddies are his Chosen Family.
        Go figure.

        • Grumpy Granny

          I'm sorry your experience has been so sad. I never said blood relationship causes automatic love, however my adult children are my best friends. My eldest grandchild just went away to college for the first time and emailed me before I had gotten around to sending an email. Frankly I don't believe love is ever automatic.

    • Bighoss

      Ever deal with an ectopic pregnancy, Dr.Reginald?

      • robert30

        Obviously this person doesn't know what an Ectopic is! Wonder if he has ever come across the grape cluster in the Uterus? I could go on but this clown has obviously never scrubbed in on anything other than in a Veterinary clinic.
        Perhaps he can't see how one could spay and neuter animals of the four legged kind much less those that walk upright.
        This one has a degree that is 50 years old and has never bothered with CEUs.

        • Old Observer

          Just what are your degrees, Robert? Your job? I'll bet you're no higher than a CNA

          • Robert30

            You really are just too silly to respond to.

          • Evermyrtle

            Why is it silly? You have been accusing him of not knowing anything physical and insinuating that you are a pro. Why not prove to him that you really know what you are talking about? or is there a problem?

          • Old Observer

            Hmmm-must have hit the nail on the head, lol

          • Evermyrtle

            Apparently his main job is to turn Christians into liberals for Satan,. He may as will fold his tent and go home, He will not win one person for Satan

        • Bighoss

          Name-call all you want, but it is obvious that you are just dodging the question.

          "An ectopic pregnancy is a pregnancy that occurs outside the womb (uterus). It is a life-threatening condition to the mother. The baby (fetus) cannot survive." Source: National Institutes of Health at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001897/

          Now you may take the opportunity to respond substantively and with intelligence.

          My degrees are 50 years old and older, but that does not in any way keep me from knowing and telling the truth. It is not necessary to scrub in order to find truth. Your biggest problem seems to be finding the truth.

          • Robert30

            You have directed your response to the wrong person. I did my time in med school and know very well about Ectopics. Been there done that.
            I happen to support your suppositions all the way on this one.

          • Evermyrtle

            Do you know about GOD and HIS SON JESUS CHRIST. They can make you a new man, taking all of the hate away and filling your with a heartful of love. Try them.

          • Old Observer

            Then I would bet you flunked out!

          • Bighoss

            You are correct; I intended to direct my response to "Dr. Reginald." Sorry for the inadvertence.

        • Evermyrtle

          Are you a Medical Doctor? Where did you study?? The hata comes from Satan, It is evil, it can destroy a person, . You need to get rid of it.

    • Robert30

      As a supposed physician with membership in the RCS you have nothing to promote here in the US. What you are promoting is so out of date and such a bunch of crap that you would be laughed all the way out of a conference on a valid OB/GYN Conference.
      You are obviously very old and quite senile. If you have never seen anyone who is in critical need of an abortion then you have never practiced in OB/GYN.

  • Chris

    This is a lie and a sham. This is no real conference – it's a bunch of anti-abortion religious freaks.

    Liars for Jesus strike again.

    • Evermyrtle

      Do you really think you know more that a well trained physician?? The lies are yours. Liberals have told so many lies they can't even remember what truth is. They always call others liars when they themselves are caught in lies. TRUTH?? The don't want the truth when a lie wills suffice.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Kelly-Kafir/100001899500966 Kelly Kafir

      what an angry little man you are. Your life must really suck.

      • Robert30

        It is our understanding Chris has a terrific life and appreciates real women not the big haired clown found int he republicunt party.

        • Old Observer

          Oh? I thought the two of you were competing to see who was the angriest and most self-righteous–you're doing a better job of that than any Christian posting here—-

          • Robert30

            Sorry to disappoint you. But, I worship Aesculapius!
            I a also very fond of the Greenman. I also love to join in the annual celebration at Stonehenge with the wonderful Druids.

          • Old Observer

            Well, just wait and see if they will help you when the final crunch comes! I'll keep my Bible, thank you–AND my faith in medicine. And I will continue to view abortion as wrong except in a very few very special situations.
            Somehow, I do believe that some of your postings are "tongue -in-cheek", that you think the rest of us are stupid. hopefully you are not on any of the rest of the sites i post on–i might have to find some libbie sites to annoy in that case—-

    • Linda F.

      Chris, there is proof that abortion kills women. Or have you forgotten about Tonya Reaves and the other women who have died at the hands of butchers at Planned Parenthood clinics?

      Do us all a favor, Chris: Stop pretending that you're some kind of a great defender of women. In reality, you're nothing more than a hate-filled, anti-life, anti-Christian bigot.

    • Robert30

      Perhaps that would make a terrific bumper sticker! Why can't these busy bodies keep their noses out of the business of others.
      If THEY don't want an abortion don't have one but keep your god damned noses out of the business of others. Waving your crappy old bibles won't make a bit of difference.
      Abortion has been going on since the first woman found she was knocked up.

      • Old Observer

        Why should my tax dollars have to pay for an abortion for some careless gal who didn't bother to use protection—or to pay for her birth control pills? If she wants to screw around, she should take responsibility for herself.You say we should stay out of their business–i say they should stay out of my pocketbook. You have one of the most hateful attitudes I've come across! Somebody must have really burned you somewhere along the line.

    • Evermyrtle

      Why does it bother you?? Just harassing?? Well, you should be ashamed of yourself!

  • fliteking

    "Study: Abortion Not Necessary to Save Mothers’ Lives"

    Good news, but good luck getting the MSM and moronic liberals to comprehend.

    Liberals prefer a "blanket statement" that abortion is sometimes necessary to "save" a mothers life, even going as far as indicating post-partum depression is a risk to the mothers life.(Europe) Obviously using actual diagnosis and specific conditions do not meet the needs of the liberals because the truth is then exposed.

    In the end Liberals use this very discussion merely as fodder in hopes of diverting the discussion from personal responsibility.

    • Evermyrtle

      You are correct! Any excuse will do and is just that, an excuse.

      • Robert30

        Look you old bat your eggs dried up and blew away a long time ago. You have NO say it any action any female takes to excise of bunch of cells.

        • fliteking

          If you feel that strongly about it maybe you could arrange to have the liberals pay for all the abortions . . . that would really show your commitment.

          Sound out the big words.

          • Robert30

            The progressives of this nation do PAY for your abortions for your children's abortions and those of many others who need and want them.
            Who are you to stand in the way of any female that doesn't want to go through a pregnancy.
            It is her right and the governments obligation to pay for this medical procedure.

        • Evermyrtle

          About the time you begin to think that some of the Anti-GOD, and anti-CHRIST disappears, a new on pops up to prove what little he knows

      • Old Observer

        WOW! Should we "old bats" really give up, lol?If they'd stop being so hateful, they might find out we aren't so bad after all–and faith?? oh, dear, what a horrible thing they think that is—

    • Robert30

      Obviously boy you don't have a clue as to the nature of the female.

      • fliteking

        Ok Robert. thanks for your input and being so specific.

        If you noticed much of my discussion centered on the "politics" of liberals such as yourself.

        BTW, I work directly in patient care and have for 29 years. I was also a paramedic in the military and have often volunteered with the under-privileged with home health care . Hands down when it comes to medical issues I have you beat.

        You did skip the crux of my statement :Obviously using actual diagnosis and specific conditions do not meet the needs of the liberals because the truth is then exposed.

        It's a political thing from your end champ, and abortion has caused the deaths of millions of females that never got a chance to experience life.

        So "Obviously Boy" – - – you need to take the shoe out of your mouth.

        Delta Bravo.

        • Old Observer

          Robert obviously has a little knowledge in some kind of medicine–likes to cast aspersions on that of others—hmmmm–perhaps he's a veterinarian's assistant or something—talks about neutering animals—or perhaps he's the maintenance guy who cleans the OR after procedures——

          • fliteking

            Probably the last, thanks for the back up.

      • Evermyrtle

        If you had a clue, you would be dangerous.

  • Robert30

    There is every need to have safe and legal abortion available to any female that finds themselves in a predicament which needs to be corrected.
    The so-called experts who are cited in this ridicules statement above don't know anything about safety for the female.
    Ireland is a very backward country as far as any-kind of medical practice is concerned. They consider it necessary to remove the penis when the patient has in-situ cancer of the prepuce. I hope a lot of men in Ireland who even utter one word against providing a woman the right to abort during a medical crisis or any other time she wants be visited by this particular cancer. Let us then see how the men yell and squeal.
    In this country abortion is the right of every female who finds herself knocked up. Do all of you think it is essential for said female to be forced to carry POC's to term when they are the result of incest and rape? I have seen over and over the female chose to remove the undifferentiated cells and go on her way far removed from the crisis that has happened.
    Makes no difference the reason for the deposit of the POC's the only concern is that the will of the female be carried out and the sooner the better.
    A life free of the burden of the product is such a relief to all those who have the procedure it is unreal to see it happen time after time.
    This is a procedure this is legal and will continue to be legal as long as the female has been oppressed, raped by her husband, boyfriend, stranger, murdering rapist and of course the ever loving fathers and ministers who get some sort of thrill forcing a female to submit. That is old news and women are free to live the lives they wish and how they wish with no intervention by any of the
    right wing religious bigots and nut cases.

    • fliteking

      You wear your hatred on your sleeve and your comments clearly point to the words of a sociopath. Nice job.

  • Robert30

    Here is one for you. You can thank YOUR gods that young women know a lot about their bodies and how they work and what to do when that burden comes along. It is their choice as to what they will do with it and where.No longer can you bunch of obtuse hags of both sexes stand in the way of a woman of courage.+

    • Evermyrtle

      The creator of our bodies says, in I Corinthians 6:19-20
      19.What? Know you not that your body is the temple of the HOLY GHOST, which is in you, which you have of GOD, and you are not your own.
      20 For you are bought with a price: therefore glorify GOD in your body, and in your spirit which are GOD'S

      II john 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess nto the JESUS CHRIST is come in the flesh.This is a deceiver an an antichrist.

  • stefan semchyshyn, md, mba

    As one who studied High Risk pregnancy and practiced Maternal Fetal Medicine for nearly 30 years, I have always felt that there is rare if any indication for abortion to save pregnant woman's life. Even high risk pregnancy can be managed so that both mother and her baby lives. All too often abortion advocates use the excuse " to save mother's life" Shame on them, or perhpas wish they get enlightened. Hopefuly this study will eliminate wide-spread myth.

  • http://profiles.google.com/kkhercules kevin kelly

    As FRANK PAVONE says {it is NEVER good to intentionally kill an unborn child}HEED this message. SEMPER-FI-MARINES.

    • Bar-Eliam

      How you didn't take part in any of the recent carpet bombings carried out by george bush and dick cheney. They killed thousands of innocent children both born and unborn for no good reason other than their lust for blood and greed.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004047180339 John Adams

    Abortion is ALWAYS the wrong choice. NO EXEPTIONS!

  • Steve03

    Anyone read the article? Abortion is unnecessary, as the chemotherapy or other treatments that save the mother kill the baby anyway. Of course, there's a lot more that can go wrong that way, so the risk to the mother is greater, but at least the baby wasn't deliberately killed. It was just collateral damage, and our hands are clean. Now let's count how many angels can dance on the head of coat hanger.