Pastors vow to defy IRS, preach politics from pulpit - ZIONICA.com

Charles

GOOD FOR THE PASTORS!!!! A GOOD SIGN OF OLD AMERICAN GUTS!!!!!

Rosebud15

Pastor's did this at our founding. In fact, history tells us, after they got done preaching, they took off their robes and had their uniforms on underneath and were ready to fight for our freedoms! Thank God for preachers with "Holy guts!"

Evermyrtle

Indeed! That is how they survived, through GOD'S hand and the people caring and obedience.
Winston

That was true until the government created their controls of rights through the introduction of IRS codes, hence 501(c)3 for churches and other specific nonprofit organizations.
Michael G.

Was that a Mormon that did this? I thought it was an Episcopalian? And didn't this happen at the beginning of the Revolutionary War.
Maybe our ministers should put on their BDU's before they put on their black robes, the head into battle.

Paula

I know one thing for certain: The United Methodist Church will muzzle their ministers instead, being that they are all LEFTISTS!

mallen11

You are right. Many churches are social gospel types and make Jesus Christ just a man. They are designed to do good deeds and claim that Jesus Christ was just a man and not God.
- Winston
  
  They are not sincerely Christian churches but are communitarian (communism lite) neo-Christian in name only for tax purposes. It is the religious version of Acorn.

http://profile.yahoo.com/GVOT2LN3QKPGGFNKDZKNVIXFEU GORDON

I fear that to many of today's pastors are "intimidated" to a point of silence by the 1954 Johnson law. They fear losing their tax exemption. As much as I oppose this law, doesn't that place them in a position of making a choice? Which do I love more? Money or Truth! I wish all pastors would do what these are doing. Would the IRS take them all on?

aceituna

Good question (IRS take on all) –History show us that our leaders have backed down when there is a huge group opposing them.

Nottakenyan

The price ignorant, uneducated, narrow-minded, incompetent voters cost the American taxpayer for voting for an illegal, lying, Muslim Kenyigar!!

Casmige

"There are some who believe that pastors should never inject secular concerns into their preaching and teaching, that their pronouncements from the pulpit should only be expositions of Scripture pertaining to spirituality. We are citizens of Heaven, they argue, and thus should have no concern for what happens in some earthly nation. I believe such thinking is dead wrong, and so did the members of The Black Robe Regiment. Jonathan Mayhew (1720-1766), a member of this group, and one of its most profound thinkers (a graduate of Harvard and the pastor for West Church in Boston), clearly opposed such thinking. Robert Treat Paine, who was a signer of the Declaration of Independence, and also an Attorney General of the United States, called Mayhew "the Father of Civil and Religious Liberty in Massachusetts and America." On January 30, 1750, Jonathan Mayhew preached a sermon on Romans 13:1-7, pointing out that he firmly believed there was a divine imperative for pastors to speak from the pulpit about the ills of society, and about tyranny and oppression. He declared, "It is hoped that but few will think the subject of it an improper one to be discoursed on in the pulpit, under a notion that this is preaching politics, instead of Christ. However, to remove all prejudices of this sort, I beg it may be remembered that 'all Scripture is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.' Why, then, should not those parts of Scripture which relate to civil government be examined and explained from the pulpit, as well as others?" The Scriptures speak of kings and governments, and the obligations of both rulers and those ruled. Thus, Mayhew reasoned, "politics" was just as appropriate a topic to be addressed from the pulpit as any other. An historian and pastor named Wayne C. Sedlak rightly observes, "The pulpits of that era were anything but neutral. And they certainly did not subscribe to that error of reasoning so dominant in the churches today which says that the only proper subject of concern for the pulpit pertains to individual salvation and one's personal preparation for heaven." From
http://www.zianet.com/maxey/reflx547.htm

Evermyrtle

Who gave us the world, GOD or government? Who does it all belong to, GOD or government? Who can protect us, GOD or government? Who is responsible for the mess we are in GOD or government? Who is the country obeying, now, GOD or Government? What Christian candidate will we we vote for, for president? Well, where is there A Christian to vote for?? Will GOD give us the truth, if we ask and LISTEN TO HIM??
- Casmige
  
  G*D has made himself dependent upon human instrumentalities to carry out his will & to accomplish his intents.
  
  The hidden un-seen G*D seeks expression of his intentions & purposes through that which he created….especially those Created in his "Image".
  
  When one is wounded on a battle-field in a war-time setting…the last thing to worry about is the colour of ones socks or whether or not the boots are tied up properly or if the Soldier is in correct Uniform.
  
  Whilst I am repugnant against the prospect of a Vote for Romulan Romney, The other choice is certainly one for expressed evil.
  
  NOT voting is a "Choice" of sorts…however not voting essentially is a vote for the evil that is clearly in office presently.
  
  Whilst imperfect…& indeed there is no such constituted "Gov't" that is in accordance with G*Ds law & outline unless it is a humble servant TO & FOR the people recognising that the Power of self Governance & sovereignty resides inherent with "The People" as supreme.
  
  "Democracy" is nothing more or less than "Mob Rule" with the underlying principle that a Collective that thinks it is right is supposedly above that of the individual sovereign due & owing to the built in intimidation & "Bully" factor of the group.
  
  Gov'ts are inculcated to preserve & protect this pursuit…invariably however since as part of a quotation by the expansively named and impressively hirsute John Emerich Edward Dalberg Acton, first Baron Acton (1834–1902). The historian and moralist, who was otherwise known simply as Lord Acton, expressed this opinion in a letter to Bishop Mandell Creighton in 1887:
  
  "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely. Great men are almost always bad men."
  
  & Yet, we are left with the succinct wisdom stated thusly:
  
  "Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one." – Thomas Paine
  
  We should therefore vote, & vote with our conscience (Defined by Noah Webster as "The Voice of G*D upon the Human Mind") after much diligent prayer & perhaps some commensurate fasting & deprivation….else we're really not serious about it & merely trying to have our Cake & eat it also.
  - fort9erdon
    
    What's with the spelling of GOD, IT'S GOD, NOT G*D?
    - Old Observer
      
      The Jewish faith, as I understand it, does not spell out the name of God fully—it's part of their belief—doesn't make them any less for it–
    - fort9erdon
      
      Well, that's just silly. It's GOD, NOT G*D. G*D, is just 2 letters with a star between, and does not spell anything at all. I wish some Jew would answer with an explanation of this practice. Until then, it's just silly,.
    - ChillaKilla
      
      I fail to see how people who call themselves Christian fail to see how Jesus came to fulfill the promises of the OT and to clean up the dross and excess the Pharisee sect had tacked upon God's original teachings and commands. By the time He came to the world there were not only 10, but some 613 commandments in total that ruled the overly scrupulous Jewish life. He said 'See, I make all things new…'
    - Casmige
      
      Pardon me, I meant no offence to cause one to stumble….it's the messianic Judiaser in me.
      
      In all Actuality, the Creators name is Yahushua….(I AM SAVIOUR) amongst many "Names" that he sets forth to acknowledge the attributes of the "Great I AM" by.
      A Name Denotes "Character".
      
      To be 100% true to the naked truth:
      "GOD" is the Word for Baal….as in False God.GOD is a title…ambiguous & non-specific….however it is transliterated from the Greek word for "Baal".
      
      'LORD' = BAAL
      YHVH (sometimes pronounced Jehovah) is the Biblical GREEK Transliterated name for the Creator. Not "GOD" (which, in Hebrew, is a pagan god named Gaad, pronounced "Gawd" just like "God."). (See Isaiah 65:11.)
      Not "LORD" (which is the English word for "Baal," a derogatory word for the gods and leaders of the pagans.)
      The commercial Bible translators have removed the real name of your Creator, (YHWH.)They've replaced it with the English word for the pagan god Baal (bull-lord), 'LORD.'
      LORD often-times by pedestrian use can also connote the implied meaning of "Adonai" which is a respectful term.Due to the ambiguity of describing Supreme being(s) in English,and because Christianity is a tree springing up from its Hebrew roots,is is best practices to use the correct Hebrew word for what is meant:YHVH (Our Father in Heaven)Adonai (Master)or if you are so inclined:Baal (evil lord)
      
      In Writing the Holy Name, it was common to keep both the utterance & the written from being profane by mindlessly writing it out, so a respectful nod or conscience decision to omit a letter or letters of the Holy Name was a natural consecrated consequence.
      
      "The custom of substituting the word "God" with G-d in English is based on the traditional practice in Jewish law of giving God's Hebrew name a high degree of respect and reverence. When written or printed, God's Hebrew name (and many of the stand in names used to refer to God) cannot be erased or destroyed.
      There is no prohibition in Jewish law against writing out or erasing the word "God" in English. However, many Jews have afforded the word "God" with the same level of respect as the Hebrew equivalents. Because of this, many Jews substitute "God with G-d so that they can erase or dispose of the writing without showing disrespect to God. Some Jews also use G!d in the same way, utilizing the exclamation point to convey their enthusiasm for Judaism and God."
      From: http://judaism.about.com/od/judaismbasics/a/Why-Do-Some-Jews-Spell-God-G-D.htm
      
      SO, Pardonnez-Moi: My Baal- BAAD to Mention or even accidentally invoke the name of Baal.
    - fort9erdon
      
      poppycock!
    - Casmige
      
      I'm guessing you still believe that SUN-day (The 1st. day of the week) is the day of rest or worship as well???…..notwithstanding what Holy-Writ written by the finger of G*D in Granite-Stones states??.
    - fort9erdon
      
      prove it's not! I love listening to the "crock of bull" from you adventists.
    - Casmige
      
      Sorry,
      
      You got a Guy that was Raised Roman Catholic (French Canadienne) with a Secular Jewish Father.
      
      Naturally, I'm no longer "Catholic" in the ecumenical sense, but rather (Baruch HaShem) Messianic Jew.
      
      Adventism was a Movement anyways….never supposed to be a denominated "Church"…..but you're apparently well-versed in the historical aspects of Churchianity to know this already, n'est pas??.
      
      Should gather evidence upon which to base your ad hominem assertions for which you will end up only receiveing the retort of what mon Pere always answered well learned ecclesiastical bloviators with: Da Mihi Factum, Dabo Tibi Ius!!".
    - Michael G.
      
      You can't un-join the Catholic Church. You are just a 'fallen-away' Catholic.
      You know in yourself what you need to do. When are you going to go to Confession? At least talk to a priest about it. They are there to help…
    - mallen11
      
      I know plenty of people who have left the Catholic church and they have embraced the true gospel of Jesus Christ and His teachings in the entire Bible; not rituals without reality.
    - Jeff Dixon
      
      There are plenty of people who have left Protestant churches and joined the Catholics. So what?
    - ChillaKilla
      
      @mallen11 — Sorry to hear that, you poor deluded soul. In fact, inside the bible, which CATHOLICS put together, and gave to the world it says: 'Only those who endure until the end will be saved.
      And btw. do thank us, because at least you have the book we gave you as a guiding post. Were it not for us… with the amount of doctrinal quarreling, lack of authoritative teaching and fragmentation continuously ongoing among the protestant milieu, you people would have little to hang your personal philosophy upon. You'd be doomed to re-inventing the wheel every time one of your confused ones, or one more charlatan with enough sweet bible talk wants to open a 'worship' barn or store-front in a strip mall… and call it "church"
      As for the "rituals without reality" I'd invite you to peruse the readings of the OT and see the religion Jesus adhere to (Jewish), and those prescribed by His own Father and discover the fact that if Jesus Himself was Jewish, He was imbued in ritual worship. Further, if you stretch your mental capacity a bit more, go to Revelations and read therein how 'ritual worship' with incense, candles, smoke and angels using 'repetitive' Holy, Holy, Holy chants honor God in His own house. You might be surprised.
    - mallen11
      
      ChillaKilla, you have a wonderful way of encouraging people to accept your twisted way of thinking. I can hardly wait to get more of your false theology from your false religion that is not Christianity. The following verses should help you realize that what you say has no meaning to me whatsoever and you or your false religion will never appeal to me. Don't waste your time.
      
      I Tim 6:3-5 If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.
      
      Titus 3:10-11Reject a factious man after a first and second warning, knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being self-condemned.
    - ChillaKilla
      
      Twisted way of thinking? Prove how twisted is the fact that it was Catholic Bishops and theologians who put the bible together by gathering, studying, comparing, corroborating and discerning all the NT writings and then putting them together with the Septuagint Canon of the OT writings in one book. Maybe you'll appreciate that if it had not been for us, you would perhaps, even now, be worshiping a bee hive, a 20ft. rock or whatever object or instrument would satisfy your misguided, individualistic, heretic-theistic impulses, instead of wasting time throwing verses at me.
      For the record, my intention was never to 'encourage' anyone to accept anything. We Catholics are not bible-thumpers attempting to proof-text out way into the heart and mind of anybody, by employing convenient, out-of- context 'verses for every occasion'. We merely aim for correcting ignorant misconceptions that aggressive, quarrelsome and offensive protos such as you, try to pass as 'truth' to the ignorant and unwary. We wisely leave that to the Holy Spirit, who 'blows where and when He wills'.
      And please, take the verses you quoted me and apply them to yourself, for you are sorely in need of reading them in front of a mirror, and then sincerely, honestly and humbly taking the lessons you attempt to pawn on others, to your own heart.
    - mallen11
      
      Your catholic propaganda means nothing to me. Your statements are false and even though I could answer each one of them, I will not waste my time on your deluded way of thinking.
      
      1 Timothy 4:2-4 by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth. For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude;
      
      I am not on this site to argue with anyone; only to make comments as you are free to do as well. May your eyes be opened to the truth of God's Word; not man's.
    - Michael G.
      
      Thanks for the detailed explanation. I picked up some pointers that I was unaware of. Isn't the spelling of God's name YHWH?
    - mallen11
      
      Again, we no longer live under the Law of Moses but under a higher law; the Law of Christ.
      1 Corinthians 9:21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.
      Galatians 6:2 Bear one another’s burdens, and thereby fulfill the law of Christ.
    - Casmige
      
      Sorry, You're correct to that point.
      
      Mosiac Law Kept on the outside in a pouch on the side of the Ark of-the-Covenant is not the "Same" law as the one written by the very Finger of the Creator on Granite stones & then enshrined within the Ark
      of-the-Covenant.
      Churchianity confuses the 2 & satanically tries to do-away with the one by the confusion. IDK, last time I checked?? Lucifer was the author of confusion.
      If G*D did away with his law, then Hebrews 8:10 is of no consequence left to ambiguous interpretation…without any "Law" clearly & keenly expressed so that none-need-err, there is no variance or foundation for judgment & adjudication.
      Lucifer will be "saved" along with his minions with this type of thinking that there is "no law" or that it was done away with since there is not variance to the Law without the Law being functionally "there" & in effect.
      
      "Obedience" was always better than Sacrifice. It is "Sin" after-all, & not G*D, that requires the participant & partaker of "Sin" to die. "The wages of SIN is Death". Vicarious or not, the purpose of the gospel was to cease the sacrifice by the cessation of sin. Without sin, there is no Law & no condemnation since the "Law" is a law of salvation FROM sin…or a deliverance from sin.
      
      Ahhhh, but you're thinking: there's no one perfect & without sin.
      
      There you go: It was Henry Ford who said
      “Whether you think you can or can’t…you are right.”
      
      With G*D all things are Possible. Either "Light & truth" are stronger than "Darkness & evil" or Vice-Versa OR better still the deception that they are equal & on par….struggling one against the other so that you cannot do the things that you want.
      
      The problem with Churchianity is "perspective": & the belief that the Earth (& those made up of the "rubbish of the ground" as outlined in Genesis 2:7) is the center of the known universe & that the SUN revolves around the earth.
      
      Don't think G*D, the Supreme Creator, can constrain his own creation from selfishness, self-enthronement in the most holiest of holies (the frontal cortex) & the results or symptoms of that "dis-ease" aka: sinning??…..you're right as far as your conviction may go.
      
      It's the on-going historical debate of heliocentrism as opposed to geocentrism….just taken into the realm of spiritual matters & concerns.
      
      It's much like Politic's to-day where the elected or appointed "Public Servants" have given way to the maniacal perverted thinking that it is to be the "Public, Servants" to them. (Funny what a mere almost unnoticeable comma can do in changing portent).
      
      Sublime Subtlety always having been the hall-mark of lucifer in defiance to the Self-evident Natural LAW of G*D…
    - fliteking
      
      Hang in there, I called the ambulance. The guys in white uniforms are your friends.
    - Michael G.
      
      Agreed. But God is not God's name. It is "I am" if you re referring to the Father, Jesus Christ if you are referring to the Son, and the Holy Spirit (as far as I know) doesn't have a name.
  - Michael G.
    
    God didn't make Himself 'dependent.' He wanted to work through us. I don't know why anyone is disagreeing with what you're saying. the only point I have of a negative nature is the comment about Romulan Romney; try not to use old Star Trek connections. It's cute, but doesn't really work.
    Sure, I have my own problems with Romney, but when you consider the alternative…then the choice is easy.
    Dump Obama!
  - mallen11
    
    God is dependent on NO one; He is The supreme being, sovereign over all. He can use anything to do His will.
    We no longer live under the Law or OT customs of not calling our maker "God". If we have a personal relationship with our Lord and savior Jesus Christ and as Believers we should and as His children we have the right to call Him God whether it is God the Father,God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
  - fliteking
    
    You OK chief? Should we call an ambulance?
mallen11

As some say; don't be so heavenly minded that you are not earthly good. The prophets of the OT were constantly warning the people to turn back to God to protect their Nation and Israel constantly didn't listen. This is happening in our country and our pastors need to keep warning their congregation to turn back to God, learn His ways and apply them to our daily lives and We the People will know how to vote corretly, i.e., for conservative leaders. Our pastor does this without mentioning any candidate's name and I doubt one person would vote for the communistic left. It can be done.
http://www.missiontoisrael.org/ Ted R. Weiland

The kind of Christianity you described in the first part of your post is
what Christ in Matthew 5;13 described as salt that's lost its savor, good for nothing to be trampled under the foot of man. We need a return of the type of pastors who predominately occupied the pulpits of America prior to the War for Independence, particularly those who during the early 1600's who preached government of, by, and for Yahweh rather than government of, by, and for the people.

Nottakenyan

If you truly are any kind of Christian, you WILL NOT vote for the illegal, lying imposter!!!!

Winston

It appears your defining onf "any kind" of Christian includes mormons? Mormonism is no more Christian than Islam is Jewish.
- fort9erdon
  
  Why, specifically, is a Mormon, NOT a Christian? Are you saying Mormons do not recognize Jesus Christ? Please be specific, if you dare answer.
  - newmantic
    
    Mormon's recognize Jesus, as a "man". Not GOD, which the Bible (and Jesus Himself) make clear that He was and is. They also believe they will one day become "like gods", though many Mormon's do not realize that is in their "teachings".
    - rebart
      
      newmantic, where in the world did you get your information? Not one thing you wrote here is accurate.
  - Michael G.
    
    It's not that. The problem(s) like with this:
    1) They believe that Christ is a spirit-brother to Satan. (My best friend, a Mormon told me this one.
    2) They believe they one day will become a god.
    3) The believe that God the Father lives on a planet called Korob.
    The list goes on, but these are just a few that I can think of.
    If I'm incorrect, please clew me in; I may be somewhat off on these few points.
    - fort9erdon
      
      I don't know if you are right or wrong. Sorry about the "if you dare" remark. All I know is that Mormon or not, Mitt Romney is a "moral" man, and not a lying hypocrite, which is the other choice in this election. I wouldn't care if Obama was a "moral Muslim", but he's not. He interacts with and supports the radical Muslims, and personally I will take a moral Mormon, over a radical Muslim, Marxist any day of the week. For the safety and well being of the nation, Obama must go. And, at this point, I don't much care how he goes, either voted out, or "feet first, at room temperature, out"! Either way rids this country of the Obama plague! He is pure EVIL! I admit, Romney WAS NOT my first choice, but is a far superior choice than 4 more years of Obama!
    - rebart
      
      If we are all sons and daughters of God, then wouldn't we be a brother to Satan? Yes, Mormons believe they will one day become a god. I guess they might get that idea from Psalms 82:1 and John 10:34. BTW, those are Bible verses. You know, the Bible you say Mormons don't believe in. No one believes God lives on a planet called Korob. KOLOB is the heavenly body nearest to the throne of God, not where God lives.
      
      Ok, I'll "clew" you in. Now go get an education.
    - ChillaKilla
      
      refart — Looks like you need quite a bit of "clewing" yourself. If I were you, I'd be cautious about offering up my services as a 'Christian' indoctrinator… lest I be sued for malpractice later on. Get my drift?
      Evermyrtle has got it right: **"JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD." Not 'A' son of God'
      We may be symbolically, 'brothers of Jesus,' but to whom did He ever promise 'the KINGSHIP of heaven' on equal terms with himself? That is something that only a hare-brained, arrogant charlatan like Joe Smith could come up with.
      Remember, not even Joe's followers believed 100% in the fable he invented less than 200 years ago. If they had, Joe's descendants would now be in command of the lds church, as he wanted. Instead, the succession was decided by a fat, business-oriented, and clever follower like Brigham, while the descendants went on to found the rlds.Right?
    - Vladimir
      
      1) What one of Jesus' brothers did in pre-mortal life which got him kick out of heaven doesn't reflect on Jesus or on the rest of us for that matter.
      2) Mormons believe that God wants us to become gods. Just as children grow up to be like their fathers, our Heavenly Father wants us to be like He is. We are to be "joint heirs with Jesus Christ" Romans 8:17. We have been commanded to be perfect, even as our Father in Heaven is perfect. Many will say this is not possible, but all things are possible in the Lord.
      3) Mormons do not believe that "God the Father lives on a planet called Korob (or Kolob).
    - ChillaKilla
      
      You know Vladi, if you get enough away from the readings of the 'book of mo' and actually digest the bible which was written by Jesus' disciples you'll find that Jesus told them to strive to be 'perfect' as His Father and He were perfect. Nowhere in the bible will you find justification for the teachings of Joe Smith, which he plagiarized from both a fiction novel by Salomon Spaulding [an early day Ron Hubbard type] and the bible itself, with whatever modifications he could dream up to con those gullible enough to believe the words of a somewhat charismatic sheister who was quite often -before he found fame and fortune by deceiving the weak-minded- was in trouble with the law.
  - Evermyrtle
    
    To whom are you posting, I do dare to answer that one, it is because they do not claim that JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD. If HE is not just that then the name Christian does not apply to HIM. Mormons claim HE is A son o f GOD not THE SON OF GOD. If you have any doubts try to get a Mormon to say, "JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD."
  - http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBBCYNZUJPMNVGYK45HXRD7ZJ4 A Real American
    
    Oh, Mormons "recognize" Jesua alright, about the same as Muslims do. Both cult religions view Jesus as a teacher, a prophet, but NOT the only begotten Son of the living ONE TRUE Almighty God, nor the second person of the Holy Trinity.
- Dennis
  
  I may not be a big fan of the Morman Church for many of the same reason, as you, but how many other christian churches do you see sending out missionaries for God, like they do. They trust in God and spread his word, among other things, but who do you trust more? Those who believe in the power of God, including the Jews, or a president who is at war with Christianity and supports a Muslim faith that wants to destroy all non-believers, as well as a political party who wants no part of God in their platform? For me, it is a choice between God and Satan, not a Morman and a Muslim.
  - rebart
    
    Good post, Dennis.
  - http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBBCYNZUJPMNVGYK45HXRD7ZJ4 A Real American
    
    Makes me barrf. The god of Mormons is NOT the God of the Bible, and if you know the Mormon books and teachings you'd know that. Mormons evangelize with lies and deceit, just like Jehovah Witnesses, but fall short of cutting the throats of non-converts of Islam. And so, who is the Father of Lies and deceit? None other that Satan himself.
    - Vladimir
      
      For your information, Real American, Mormons pray to Heavenly Father exactly as Jesus Christ taught all of us to do. As recorded in the Bible, Jesus told His disciples to pray, "Our Father who art in Heaven…". Mormons, therefore, in obedience to Jesus pray to His Father in Heaven.
      
      So barf all you want. I hear it's good for weight loss.
  - ChillaKilla
    
    You must not get out too much Dennis. Certainly Catholics have been sending out missionaries for something like 1970 years. After them, protestants once Luther invented them, certainly tried to convert others, either by preaching or by force, since not too long after their own invention they were quarreling with each other about doctrine, and then splitting and splintering into thousands of sects, according to each one's interpretation of the bible. And they were not particularly kind about their missionary methods. Calvin for instance commanded that those who would not kow-tow to his beliefs should be sewn inside a bag and thrown into the river to drown.
    So, the mormons don't have anywhere near a monopoly on 'missioning.' In fact, their so-called missionaries are nothing more than theologically-challenged, green-behind-the-ears zit-laden young people [mainly guys] with 3 months of intensive 'mishie center' heavy indoctrination, let loose on an emotionally needy world. These guys use opportunity, and in many cases bribery to entice people into the cult. It is only when they encounter true Christians who know their faith that they either flee for lack of knowledge [as they are taught to do at the missionary cener], or for the thinkers among them to start questionig the validity of the strange 'theology' they have drilled into their tiny heads since the cradle.
    It is for that very reason that there are more mo's outside the US, than inside. Those in foreign lands they manage to trap with their well studied spiels, are mostly uneducated, poorly catechized people desirous of having help to immigrate into the US. Which is something they promise to those who convert.
- Old Observer
  
  A vote–for anyone other than Romney –or not voting—-will make sure Obama stays in office. Romney is not my choice, either–i liked Santorum—-but he's a better choice than Obama. Perhaps you's prefer to live under sharia law? There's a difference between being a responsible Christian, and a self-righteous fool. God gave us brains with the intent that we use them–these are the choices he's seen fit to give us at this time. If we reelect Obama, we are just telling him we know more than he does. and he will "give us enough rope"…..if we screw up, we will deserve the mess we get! get off your high horse!
  - Michael G.
    
    Oh heavens! if you want a better choice, I'd pick my dog.
    - PBrenda
      
      So does that mean you won't vote for Obama either?
    - Michael G.
      
      Simply means that Obama is no good for anybody. I'd rather have Romney, or anyone else than Obama.
      Besides, my dog isn't creating any trouble for me or anyone else.
    - fliteking
      
      Mike finally comes to his senses, suggesting a dog deserves a vote before Ob*ma. Arf.
    - Ross
      
      Well, if you would pick your dog, then just vote for Obama. What's the difference?
    - Michael G.
      
      Please don't insult my dog. She wouldn't like that.
- PBrenda
  
  Dig back into your hole you came from, troll
- fliteking
  
  Oddly, your response indicates YOU feel Mormons should not vote for Romney . . .
  
  Seen reality recently?
- rebart
  
  Would you like to share your ignorance of the LDS Church with us. BTW, the real name is "Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints". Who are you to decide who is, and who isn't a Christian.
  - http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBBCYNZUJPMNVGYK45HXRD7ZJ4 A Real American
    
    Placing the name "Jesus" in the name/banner of a religious cult doesn't make that cult any more Christian than you sitting on the floor of a garage saying you are a car. If you believe it does, then fill up your hole with gasoline and set a "spark".
  - ChillaKilla
    
    @rebart — Pay attention to A Real American. The ignorance of Christianity is on your part… as much as you might want to come accross as an expert.
    If in fact Christianity had 'gone off the rails' at any point in its history… then neither Christ nor His Church should have any credibility, because He distinctly PROMISED to His apostles: " Upon this rock I will build MY CHURCH, and the gates of hell will not prevail upon it" and "Lo, I will be with you until the end of times.."
    If then the Church for any reason disappeared until the 1830's when Joe came to 'revive' it, the conclusion is that Jesus was either confused, deluded, or lying when He made that promise. And, therefore, IF Jesus was confused, deluded or lying… then Christianity itself was a sham, and the bible which details His life, promises, miracles, example, His death and resurrection is not worth the paper it's printed on. And IF the bible is a lie… then with more reason is mormonism a lie, because anything founded upon a lie is necessarily a lie itself. Comprende? Capice? Comprenez vous? etc.

http://twitter.com/ABUTOM ABUTOM

FREEDOM BEGINS FROM THE PULPIT. LIFE LIBERTY AND THE PERSUIT.

Winston

Correction: for mankind, freedom began with God's creation.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004047180339 John Adams

Praise the Lord!! I have always thought it was wrong for pastors to limit their preaching in order to receive a tax exemption. Good riddance to tax exemptions if we must in order to have the freedom to preach the whole council of God.
In the early years of our nation, pastors regularly preached "politics" from the pulpit. Having our politics right is a part of righteous living.

Evermyrtle

It all comes down to, who we are going to obey GOD or government. Which one an save us?? NOT THE GOVERNMENT, they are those who is responsible for this mess and it is past time that we realize that fact and turn to GOD
Jeff Dixon

I could care less about the tax exemption. Pastors are citizens and are therefore allowed to express their opinions. They are not part of the government and therefore the separation of church and state does nor apply to them. Besides, it is fun to listen to them speak their absurd opinions.

ErnieLane

I hope they go through with this. The federal government is just too intrusive and people _must_ stand up to them.

Evermyrtle

there in no more appropriate place to preach the truth the in the pulpits. Our freedom hangs on the truth of GOD and HIS people accepting it and living it. There is no other way. GOD'S pastors of the land are basic the ones appointed to ge the truth out to misguided people.That does not mean that the rest of us do not have a duty to speak out of HIM at every opportunity. We must stand up and be counted!!

http://www.facebook.com/people/Anita-Eitmann/100000450497995 Anita Eitmann

Come on. Where are our Catholic Priests on this? It's time we take a stand and tell the government to stay out of our personal business; our family, our religion, how we raise our children, what we feed our children, and out of our government, private, and religious schools. They need to do the one and only job they were set up to do. Protect American Citizens, protect our borders, and provide a strong military. This administration has failed on all 3 counts. In fact they have given strength to the Mexican Drug Cartel by arming them with the best weapons American Taxpayers' money can buy.

aceituna

Not just Catholic Priests, but also all clergymen who wish to preach the whole Word of God.
ChillaKilla

@ Anita Eitmann — You are obviously not paying attention. The CC and some of its dependecies, schools , charitable arms [Caritas, Catholic Relief Services], etc. have joined some 43 to 50 law suits against HHS and the oVomit admin. because they are being forced to provide contraceptives and abortifacients to its employees. Visit the EWTN page on Facebook, tune into EWTN channel on the internet and on cable, and listen to the dominical homilies and Bishop-provided epistles regarding the intended trampling of religious liberty by the gov't

http://www.facebook.com/people/Rebecca-Koomans/100000587558670 Rebecca Koomans

Even with such a law, there is a way around it… For instance, one can preach on MORALITY in exercising your rights to vote, and give prime EXAMPLES of what kind of immoral politician NOT to vote for, and WHAT to look for in a Politician, according to scriptures and it's morality! – For example, one can preach that we SIN if we SUPPORT MURDER OF BABIES, or we help people to sin against their bodies by sexual deviation sins such as homosexual acts, or pornography. We may ask ourselves how it is that we have so many CHILD MOLESTERS amongst the population, and we can look no further than the acts of supporting sexual deviates by laws or giving carte blanche support for them in other ways. Because such support lends credibility that deviates must be right! – and that is something parents avoid when disciplining their children! They arte lucky that we dont have OT laws anymore, because such deviates would by necessity be required to be stoned to death. (and I don't mean by marijuana overdose).

Bob Koomans

Once the Christian Churches realise that they MUST come OUT of Babylon (confusion with what God teaches in scripture, and what man is teaching) – only then will the real Christians appear! But so will the real Satanist forces reveal their hate for God and Christianity and Jews. – And the pastors and priests of the free churches will lead their congregations to avoid voting for the immoral ones. That – in itself is a requirement of pastors … in it's very name… to LEAD their flock in the right direction. Trouble is, so many church leaders have already sold their souls to the Beast Power of prophecy. The MoB is already here, and has been decreed since 231AD as prophesied. Look at Jesus' commands that HE gave as the "I AM" of Moses day, to Adam in Gen-2, and Moses in Ex-20. Jesus taught those constitutional rules of God for His people, and categorised them as how to pay respect to God, and the other how to respect other people (or "Love")… nothing changed from Adam's time, but men made by-laws which made the extra rules extremely unbearable. ("Millstones around the necks") – God loves the Brave, and dislikes Cowards, who would backstab anyone given a chance.

Vladimir

These pastors have extremely bad timing. This will be settled in the Supreme Court and right now it is too liberal to give them the ruling they want.

http://www.missiontoisrael.org/ Ted R. Weiland

If American pastors and churches hadn't fallen for the government's 501(c)(3) tax-exempt enticement and thereby jumped in bed with the whore in the first place, they wouldn't have to be "defying" the IRS. Instead of holding what is essentially a meaningless "Pulpit Freedom Sunday," they need to repent of petitioning (a form of prayer and worship) the government for their incorporation, which made the government the head of their churches and ministries instead of Christ.

http://www.facebook.com/people/David-B-Severy/557985964 David B Severy

If the way of God is forbidden to be applied to politics, the vacuum will be filed by the ways of satan.

Just passing it along

If you can reach this pastor in time; tell him; all he has to do is to rescind his 501c(3) corporation status. That's what gives the IRS the power over a corporate church. It's been done before. He has to do that before shooting off his mouth. Then there is nothing the IRS can do legally. Unless, of course, he is just trying to be a martyr.

Incorporating a 501c(3) church establishes the nexus with the US government that gives the government the jurisdiction over the church. It's a ploy founded on an enticement. Promoting it by saying it allows people to deduct donations from their income tax is a trick to get the people to fall into the trap. In actuality, the donations are deductible anyway.

Winston

First, American pastors of Christian churches must work hard with their Elders and Deacons board to remove the umbilical cord to the secular humanist government by eliminating their 501(c)3 not for profit binding. The purpose of the code was to regulate taxes on benevolent organizations, but with it came the government's control of what pastors can preach from the pulpit regulating negative speech about political candidates and national policy. It's time for the government to take their stinking hands out of the church and leave the control to GOD.

Evermyrtle

You do not preach GOD'S to spite heathens but to teach them. Not to do this you will receive no reward. We must stand our ground and proclaim GOD'S WORD because we want the world to know HIM not to show the authorities that you can do it. If you preach HIS WORD for any reason, other that "for the GLORY OF GOD, you will lose your reward.." At the same time we can not allow them to stop us, preach HIS WORD in spite of what the government demands, not because of what it demands.

John Norris

These Pastors would have us believe that this act of defying the government is an act of courage on their part when the opposite is true. The truth is that in 1954 Lyndon Johnson, a democratic congressman from Texas introduced a bill into congress offering the churches in America tax exempt status if the would not speak out in their pulpits either for or against politicians. They chose to give up their liberty and freedom of speech for tax free IRS dollars.We who attended these churches were not made aware of their deal with the Irs and I as a Christian since 1977 was also unaware until I sought answers to the decline of Christian morality in our churches, schools and government. There is and old saying and true that if you want to know the cause then follow the money and that money trail led directly to the deal the churches accepted with the IRS. The churches of America and pastors in general were the moral authority up until they agreed to keep silent for money in doing so gave up their position as the moral authority creating a void that was filled by the American Civil Liberties Union. It took only (9) short years later that (1) woman with the help of Americas new moral authority the ACLU to get prayer banned in our schools, and the churches kept quiet for the money. Then just a few years later (1) woman who wanted to abort her baby, with the help of the new moral authority in America the ACLU. succeeded in getting the murder,,AKA abortion of unborn children legalized. And to their shame the churches in America kept silent and let it happen for IRS tax free dollars.For further details check out a book called THE AMERICAN CHURCH, BOND SLAVE TO THE IRS. by myself John Norris. Available at Author house.com. e-bay and Amazon.

Old Observer

Yup–a DEMOCRAT pres–figures—-anything to help keep them in power—-Ecclesiastes 10:2–the heart of a wise man is inclined to the right–but that of a fool to the left N!V

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/QHRUML5XFH7AMSWH63TQH7F7E4 MalikTous

They ought to start preaching for support for abolishing the Infernal Revenue (Dis)Service! Government needs to be pruned back hard!

Mark Brickey

AMEN!!! What an uprising this would/should be! Of course, this would also allow the LEFTIES to "preach" their socialism, too, but, hey! Truth needs no excuse!

http://www.facebook.com/SchoolOfTheKingdom John McDonald

If churches and pastors really understood that they do not need a 501[c]3, and studied the facts that the 501[c]3 was a deliberate attempt to silence the church, set up by LBJ in 1954 when he was a senator. This concept is like the scam perpetrated on Eve, by lawyers to create the ability to sue churches, not protect them, the scam was that if she ate the forbidden fruit, she would be like God, when in fact she was already like Him created in His image & likeness. The plain truth is that according to the IRS the church is already exempt, as to what defines an assembly that we call church, the bible defines what a church is not the state. I suggest that everyone read, "In Ceasar's Grip" by Peter Kershaw, from Heal Our Land Ministries, to see how this con game has worked. Have you noticed that the Church is no longer the prophetic voice to the nation that it once was, now you know why.

fliteking

I am glad to hear this.

The attempts to silence Christians have got to stop.

Michael G.

Remember what Christ told the people who demanded that He shut up his Apostles: "If these are silenced, the very rocks will cry out!"

Michael G.

Good for them.This will be interesting to watch…especially if the 'thugs' show up and try to arrest everyone in the place.

http://www.facebook.com/misscrystaln Crystal Nuttle

The cause as to why Christians are under attack is the ministers signed the 501c-3 contract with hell (this world's system) that states that no longer can the church influence government. In the 50’s the church was the strongest influence in making sure that public policy was CONSTIUTIONAL! God holds His church responsible for keeping America a Christian nation! Tragically, they have failed miserably! The effect of this very act is why America has an Obamanation! There in NO law that says the church is to become a 501c-3 non-profit org.! But once they all sign it the law is that a 501c-3 non-profit org. cannot influence government! How twisted is the mind set of the church leaders who lead people to believe that this is just the signs of the end of time when they are at fault as to why America has fallen! Once they signed the contract they took themselves out from the protection of the Constitution and became the property of the State therefore muted and controlled by government! What the pastors are doing when they speak out on political issues is defying and reengaging their signed promise to not influence government all for the love of money! They sold their soul to the devil and forfeited their God given birthright to be the most powerful influence in America and on earth! Esau did this and in Hebrews 12, he is called a fornicator and perverse! Woe on the ministers who signed this for they created America’s Silent Majority for sheep follows what their shepherds do! The Shepherds keeps silent about the evils of government so do the sheep! There you have it! An Obamanation

John E.

So, in other words, Pastors will defy the government and endorse a man, Romney, who defies God by serving another god, a false god, in violation of the First Commandment. Does anyone else see an issue with this?
Now, if these Preachers were going to preach the whole counsel of God, including the necessity for personal, familial, and national obedience to His Laws, statutes, and jugments, then we'd be getting somewhere!
The present political situation is entirely hostile to the people of Jesus Christ, and must be seen as such. A vote for the candidate with the "R" after his name will not change the fundamental misdirection of the country. Only personal and national repentence and a return to obedience to the One True God of Scripture will effect a reversal of current jugments and bring any kind of significant, lasting blessings.
To continue to vote for the "lesser of two evils" is to put our trust in the electoral process; Christians need, rather, to put their trust in God. Too many posts I see on sites like this go on and on about how "Romney will save America, we need a man like Romney, Obama will destroy us….."
The sad truth is, Romney will not save the nation, nor will any other political candidate. The answer to America's problems(and all our problems) can be found in Isaiah 33:22: "For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us."

Evermyrtle

Amen!!
PBrenda

There is truth there, but God has us here on this earth, at this time, for a purpose…….and we sure as heck cannot continue with obama at the helm……At least Romney is moral and charitable unlike obama…….I believe Romney is aware of what is happening and will try to at least help the citizens through a tough period…..obama wouldn't give a damn…..just keep going on his vacations
LouiseCA

So, your choice is what, to do nothing, to not vote? Thereby, insuring that Obama gets back in to finish destroying America? Here's a thought..vote for the moral, decent guy and pray that if he is not truly saved yet, that he soon will be. Just an idea, you understand. Some Christians are so self-righteous, they are determined to cut off their nose to spite their face. Mr. Perfect ain't runnin'…Mr. Decent is..and we have to get Mr. Horrible out..besides, there are many people in certain churches who have truly trusted Christ as their Savior and do not understand yet that they are in a church that is preaching wrong doctrine. Here's an idea..pray for God to sweep through the Mormon Church and do a mighty work in them! Are you doubting the Power of the Holy Spirit? He can do anything. But maybe He'd like us to ask.
mallen11

No person can save our Nation; only God. We have been given a choice to vote for a communist or a capitalist. If the communist gets it, our Nation is headed for discipline from God because we are not putting God first in our lives and rejecting His mandates. The same could happen with Romney but he does stand for what the Bible says about capitalism and God could give us the opportunity to turn back to Him with our country being destroyed under the 5th Cycle of discipline (All five are listed in Leviticus 26:14-28 & Deuteronomy 28:48-67) Our only hope is God. We all need to encourage one another to learn God's Word and apply it to our lives so He will heal this land.

Ps 75:5-7 Do not lift up your horn on high; do not speak with insolent pride. For not
from the east, nor from the west, nor from the desert comes exaltation; But God is the Judge; He puts down one and exalts another.

Luke 18:27 But He said, "The things that are impossible with people are possible with
God."

Jer 17:5 Thus says the LORD,"Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind and makes flesh his strength, and whose heart turns away from the LORD

Ps 75:5-7 Do not lift up your horn on high; do not speak with insolent pride. For not
from the east, nor from the west, nor from the desert comes exaltation; But God is the Judge; He puts down one and exalts another.

I don't want to say.

Guys there is a better choice than obama and romney! Look up Randell Terry!
Non-Christians if you need answers go here.
http://www.knox-church.org/

ChillaKilla

And Randall Terry is who exactly. Where is his campaingn? How much chance does he have of winning? About as much as Ron Paul, Gary Johnson or who else???
I could not believe how stooooopid some people can be… but I'm beginning to learn/

LouiseCA

I say, GO FOR IT Preachers! It's about time Christians stood up!

Ethan

May the defiance continue, until all laws contrary to the perfect law of liberty (James 1:25) are shredded. May all pastors lead the discontinuance of the Baal worship in America.

"But Peter and the apostles answered, "We must obey God rather than men."" Acts 5:29

"Neglecting the commandment of God, you hold to the tradition of men. He was also saying to them, "You are experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep your tradition." Mark 7

Steve

Let me say this once. I'm not voting for a RELIGIOUS Leader, I'm looking for a POLITICAL Leader. This should end the complaints about Romney's religious affiliation. He is no worse or better than Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton or George Bush. Those records are a part of history and will testify no great amount of pious intervention into their presidency

Mr Lucky

You people talk big until you have to pay taxes, then you'll like always cow down like a bunch of whipped cowardly dogs!!!

Annie

May they stand strong and never give in to the evils that are strive to take GOD out of our land out land

rmwayne

Hey, those black churches and their phony "reverends" have been preaching left wing communist politics for years. M.L. King was an avowed communist. And look at that crazy Wright who was the preacher at Obama's church. And don't forget Sharpton or Jackson. All of them left wing extremists who preach their politics from the pulpit.