Abortion: A brief quiet moment in the VP debate

Abortion, often the focus of angry disputes, was on Thursday night the subject of one of the most sober, even thoughtful, exchanges of the vice presidential debate.

Debate moderator Martha Raddatz on Thursday asked Vice President Joe Biden and his Republican challenger, Rep. Paul D. Ryan, about their positions on abortion, and with two Catholics on stage for the first time, she stressed that they “talk personally” about how their religion affects that stance.

In a rare and brief quiet moment in the debate, the men obliged.

Ryan told the story of seeing an ultrasound of his first child, weeks after conception, at Mercy Hospital in Janesville, Wis. She looked like a bean, Ryan said. And that’s her nickname to this day.

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Evermyrtle

Any Christian, I mean a real JESUS CHRIST loving, honoring HIS WORD Christian would never commit murder. It is likely that they would kill a human to protect their family and their own lives but to kill someone for any other reason we would refuse to do that. Murdering your unborn child is an everyday thing to the liberals. The most liberal people in the nation are the politicians that we as a nation have voted into office. When we voted for them did we know that they supported the abominations to GOD, homosexuality and bestially,or that murdering your unborn child was their idea of birth control? We are about to elect officials again and we had better as Christians wake up to what we are doing when we go to the polls. There has never been a time in history, that we be absolutely sure how to vote. This means the survival or our country as we know it, that this can very well mean that we will lose our freedom. Satan is alive and well and is raging around the world to see what who he can control to do his will. He speaks to every ones, will we listen to him? We, as Christians need to seek GOD'S will for us and act on it.

The first debate was wonderful for the Christians believers, the one last night is truly scary. It showed two opposites telling what they supported one basically supporting GOD'S will, the other was not supporting anything that Christina believe in. Remember this when you go to vote.
- daves
  
  All you have to do is look at who has prevented more abortions. Republicans with abstinence only education or democrats with easier birth control access.
  
  There are hundreds of studies that show the democrats method works much better to prevent abortion.
  - far2right
    
    The problem is reprobates won't use them.
    
    They cannot control themselves.
    
    So, instead they murder your babies.
    
    56 million strong and growing.
    
    They are cowardly, narcissistic, disgusting baby killers.
    
    The American feminist is lower than the animals.
    
    The American feminist is the absolute worst form of sub-human in the history of the world.
    
    If it is true that all babies who die are God's elect, I am sure they will be consenting when God casts their own mothers, body and soul, into the lake of fire where their worm dies not and fire is quenched not.
    - daves
      
      But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for those who despitefully use you, and persecute you;
      - Evermyrtle
        
        The baby never gets a chance to bless or to curse his or her enemies.
      - A.
        
        Interesting that the heathen quote scripture when it suits their argument, but refuse to either believe it or practice it.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Excellent time to remember that truth. I did not think of it, and it is so true. Thanks for the reminder!!!
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Are you talking about the baby, love your enemy? He or she would love their parents if given the opportunity. It is believed that a baby knows his/her mothers voice when it is born.
      - daves
        
        I was giving a Christian response to far2right and his hatred toward feminists.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        It is not as bad as hatred of the defenseless babies. Besides we do not hate anybody but we do hate hate the evil of murder. How do feminists differ for average females who love their babies.
      - daves
        
        I didn't say you – these are comments from far2right, do you agree with them?
        
        "The American feminist is lower than the animals.""The American feminist is the absolute worst form of sub-human in the history of the world."
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Yes I agree with what far2right said about abortion and feminists! We do not hate people, we hate the evil that people produce,with the under the leadership of Satan.
      - daves
        
        Calling someone the worst form of subhuman shows hatred for the person. What is the sin of someone who thinks women should not be thought of as less than men?
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Very good, now practice your quote!!! That fits you the same as it affects the rest of us.
    - fliteking
      
      Agreed.
      GRAPHIC Reality http://www.priestsforlife.org/images/abortion-images-galleries.aspx
    - Evermyrtle
      
      You forgot to mention the fathers. How many do you think may be the fathers fault. I know my nephew's wife had her unborn baby murdered and I know, too it was as much his fault as it was her fault. Of course, I do not believe that every murder is the fault of the father, or the mother, as far as that goes, in cases when the father demands it because he doesn't want to be caught outside of the "henhouse!"
      - BrianMccleaf
        
        you forgot to mention marriage. Oh that institution has been destroyed. Thanks Ronnie
      - Evermyrtle
        
        10 lashes with a wet noodle, I'll remember that important rule, next time.
  - Evermyrtle
    
    Oh yes, we do have a fine selection of Rino's. They are part of the liberals, anything goes crowd,too!!
    - daves
      
      What is your solution?
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Do you have one, a solution? Or are you one? No, you can't be, unless you are accusing your own. Sometime you are left, sometime your are right.Which is your favorite?
      - daves
        
        My solution is education and love. Not prison.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Who said anything about prison?? I think your are right about education but add a healthy amount of love and rules that will form character. With these in practice you will have a winner
      - daves
        
        When abortion is against the law, people go to prison.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Like I said if you earn a prison sentence be prepared to go to prison. That is your choice. You know it a sin to murder and murder anyway, you deserve prison. Don't whine,"Why me, LORD!" Accept what you have earned.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Mrytle, could you actually pick a position and stay with it?
        
        Evermyrtle • 2 days ago • parent
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        daves: Who said anything about prison??
        vs.
        Evermyrtle • an hour ago • parent−daves: Like I said if you earn a prison sentence be prepared to go to prison.
    - fliteking
      
      And RINO's must go too.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Amen and amen!!!
  - fliteking
    
    You response has nothing to do with the preceding post.
    
    Focus. Now even more.
    - daves
      
      I am sorry you cannot see it.
      - fliteking
        
        Perhaps it is beyond your grasp, although inherent dishonesty / diversion comes to mind too,
      - Evermyrtle
        
        See what??????? I am not able to see your delusions.
      - daves
        
        Why are you being mean?
  - Colpat
    
    Name on time that abstinence as birth control failed.
    - daves
      
      I never said it did. I said that abstinence only education has failed at preventing abortions.
    - Jeff Dixon
      
      Abstinence as a method of birth control fails every time people engage in sex. The sex drive is one of the strongest drives that humans contend with. The reason that abstinence only plans fail is because people do not want to abstain from sex.
      - Esther
        
        Not true across the board. The incidence of illegitimate births is extremely low in the community of young Saints. Youth organizations are taught the values of other activities and to save sex for marriage.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Whether it is low or not, it does occur.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
        
        It always has, what's your point? The Torah says that if a man has sex with an unbetrothed virgin, he has to marry her. In the New Testament, fornication is listed among the great sins that cut one off from the Kingdom of God, but as it is, many fell into grave sin anyway. For this reason we have the sacrament of Reconciliation, to restore to their former state of grace those who have fallen into grave sin. Never will we say that sin is not sin. Fornication is sin, and so is contraception. The remedy for sin is confession and repentance, not accepting it.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The remedy for sin is realizing it it is an absurd idea.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Aren't we discussing remedies to the effects os sin? They wouldnt exist if there were no sin. Ilicit sex produces unwanted pregnancies, spreading of deceases, including AIDS, and occasionally crimes of passion. Perhaps the absurdity is in not recignizing it as sin.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        There are many reasons to avoid premarital sex. However, perpetuating myths about sin is not one of them.
      - Mexseiko
        
        God said not to formicate. As our society grows increasingly Atheist, and does not acknowledge God as Creator it doesn't follow God's design for society so it decays. Fornication has the results of illnesses that cause bad quality of life, life long sickness, death, financial ruin, etc. These things are hardly myths. There are clear and present threats to our society and there's a direct relation to Romans 1. We can't escape this reality a it is already upon us. the wages of sin is still death.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        God said not to eat shellfish. The bible is full of useless advice.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        If eating shellfish and randomly exchanging bodily fluids with others has any equivalency in your mind, you should check yourself about every month, perhaps more frequently during the Summer.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        They seem to be the same to your mythical god. He is the one that said eating shellfish is a sin.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Trivializing a commandment from God is a fool's sport. Seafood allergy is not trivial. My wife and daughter are both allergic to shellfish. At the time this commandment went out, allergy detection and recovery was not available. Commandments like this one and not eating road kill were necessary for the preservation of nomads. The commandment against fornication has proven the most effective prevention of its tragic effects, but fools always think they know better than their maker.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        When the commandment is idiotic, it needs to be trivialized. Yes, some people are allergic to shellfish. I am sorry both your wife and daughter are. However, people are allergic to many different types of food. While only eight foods (milk, egg, peanut, tree nuts, fish, shellfish, wheat, and soy) are estimated to account for 90% of all food-allergic reactions, a person can be allergic to virtually any food.
        While this list is by no means exhaustive, allergic reactions have been reported to corn, gelatin, meat (beef, chicken, mutton, and pork), seeds (sesame, sunflower, and poppy being the most common), and spices such as caraway, coriander, garlic, and mustard.
        Allergic reactions to fresh fruits and vegetables such as apple, carrot, peach, plum, tomato, and banana, to name a few, are often diagnosed as Oral Allergy Syndrome.
        If your god was actually trying to help mankind out, he could have offered some medication to help people with that problem. Or he could have created people without being allergic to food on the planet. But what we get is one idiotic prohibition against shellfish.
        People do know better than the biblical god. Which is why we have realized that owning slaves is wrong, even though the biblical god gives rules for owning them.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        You dissertation on allergies doesn't make the case against God's law of that time against shellfish. I guess to foolishness I may add ignorant and hysteric trivialization of something you don't understand.
        I reiterate that the poor health of our society has proven God's laws work better than our solutions which are nothing but bandaids to continue our sick behavior. The abortion carnage and the estimated 70 million folks walking around with some form of STD, accompanied with the impact on the economy are an indictment on our behavior and disregard to God's design and better ways.
        Your continual support of preventive methods you basically argued against yourself by saying they're effective only when used, is almost lunatic. You want to make people responsible to wear preventive devices to continue in their irresponsible behavior. Why not teach them moral values and responsibility?
        I'm sure you're not an immoral person, while at the same time seem "allergic" to morality. Can you explain?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Attempting to dismiss information is being foolish. You try to claim that eating the prohibition against shellfish was gods way of proteting people with allergies. I merely out that there are many food allergies. Your god simply ignores that.
        You ask why I seem allergic to morality. The answer is simple. The bible and the laws contained in the bible are the exact opposite of actual morality.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Foolishness on top of foolishness. You talk down and trivialize a law given ages ago in the context of today's World. No context external or internal. Disobedience to God has crippled the human body's integrated self-healing system. Both shellfish allergies and increased deceases vindicate God's wisdom and action and indict our disobedience and denial of Him as Creator.
        We have sunk into a culture of indulgence and debauchery and the answer from people like you is keep doing it but wear a seatbelt to minimize the impact. It's like using a bandaid to a severed arm. Favoring education to train people, children really, to do it right? If it's wrong, there's no instruction that will make it right. It's like wearing a helmet to a Russian Roulette game.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I am stating that the law is absurd, that is true. If the only food allergy that people had was to shellfish, the prohibition would make sense. But he calls eating shellfish an abomination. He states it is a sin. He is not telling people to avoid it for health reasons. And, yes, calling it a sin is absurd.
        
        The human body is not getting worse, it is getting stronger. People are living longer now than they ever did. (Yes, I know about the absurd ages of people that the bible claims)
        
        Every generation claims that the next generation is more sinful. Actually, premarital sex is down among teenagers right now.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        How many allergies can you say existed about 1,000 before Christ?
        
        You find God's laws absurd because you don't understand or care to try.
        The ridiculous longevity happened before the flood. The Bible is consistent about that showing people living multiple centuries only before the flood. Still early after the flood they lived over 100 years and it's shorten through the ages. The "improvement in longevity still doesn't beat 100 years. There is number of deceases that are related to aging. Cancer and heart decease are pretty common.
        I personally see a rise in Atheism and Homosexuality accelerated since the 70's, which I attribute to the kicking out of the mere passing mention of Creationism in schools and the increasing attacks on the Bible and religion with the Separation of Church & State abuse of the Constitution. This is laid out in Romans 1. Sin doesn't always seem so ugly, but it's always sin and unrepented always leads to eternal death.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        We know the Roman philosopher Lucretius observed overblown responses to common substances and noted that "what is food for some may be fierce poisons for others.", so I would say they all existed 1,000 years before Christ. However, as with many medical issues, the ancients did not know what was actually occurring.
        You see a rise in Atheism because people are realizing that the stories of the bible are absurd and without foundation.
        You see a rise in homosexuality in Western countries that are no longer killing them for being gay.
        Creationism was kicked out of schools because it is not science.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        So you draw opinions about food at 1,000 years before Christ, based on someone's observations on food during his time 100 years before Christ? Very creative. Moronic, but creative.
        Again, the 1st Chapter of Romans explains the societal decay very clearly.
        Science ha not been able to disprove any biblical concept. There are things in the Bible that no human being or system can achieve.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I base it on the reality that these problems existed in the past. You base your views of life on fables that have been shown to be false. The only one exhibiting moronic and delusional behavior is you.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        May I add dishonesty to your basis. Your warping of events in time is totally bogus and hardly make your point. Regarding your comment about moronic and delusional behavior, Jeff, it's eye of beholder.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, actually, it is not. A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary. There is no evidence that your god exists and in fact, there is evidence that he does not exist. Your belief is the textbook definition of delusion.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        In the Book of Romans, which is just a general letter, it says that the Creator is known by His Creation. Pretty much the same way you can recognize a Picasso or someone's signature. Science is still theorizing about how the world and the universe created themselves.
        So, in summary, as far as science is concerned, it goes like this: if we give a particle enough time, say a couple of gazillion, trillion, trillion years anything can happen and we can theorize about how it happened and unlike the crazy religious people which scientists are nut, they trust (not faith) that their unproven theories hold true. Some day in the far, far future perhaps a gazillion, zillion, trillion, trillion years ahead we will all know how it happened, or not.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The bible saysmany things, many of which are complete nonsense. But as far as the creatorbeing known by his creation, if the bible story is true, then the biblical godis totally idiotic. He creates Lucifer, who rebels against him, even though he
        knew it would occur. He creates Adam and Eve who rebel, even though he knew
        that would occur. Destroys all life on Earth because all humanity is sinning
        and starts over again with these same humans who immediately starts sinning
        again. His perfect solution of a worldwide flood does not fix anything. And how
        anyone can believe that a one week old infant is sinning and deserved to be
        killed is delusional beyond discussion. So, he sends himself, to be sacrificed
        to himself, since this is the ONLY way an all powerful god can fix the problems
        that he knew, before he did one single act of creation, would occur and did it
        anyway. This perfect god, who cannot abide sin, creates a universe in which sin
        occurs every minute of every day.
        
        As far as your straw man version of the Big Bang theory is concerned, you might pick up a science book for a change. You obviously have no idea what the theory says.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Some people call love idiotic. God has a lot of love and patience. The biblical word for it is long suffering. And God is truly merciful because, if I had His power I would've snapped my fingers at you at just about your 3rd blog posting. You're one arrogant nasty fellow.
        But He's big and your insults are meaningless.
        
        I guess you prefer a robot manufacturer instead of a God that relates. It's funny because somehow I know in my bones you will vote for Obama and not for the "Mit Robot."
        Many loving parents will have a baby knowing he will be born with Dawns Syndrome. They will love him and raise him and care for him. Others, will go straight to the clinic and "take care of it."
        That's the difference between Science, Secular Humanism, and Evolution's survival of the fittest.
        The way you express yourself about sin would give hope to a person like me, except you only do so to do like Satan and pretend to be superior to Him. Big mouth, big ego, big deal. But you don't care much about sin even it if kills youngsters, or increases the child sacrifices to 60 million.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        And some people call nonsense idiotic. What you would do to me is one of the least important concerns I have.
        
        As usual, you are wrong again. I not only have been an advocate for Romney since before he won the primary, I have already sent in my ballot voting for him. I would have preferred Chris Christie, but he choose not to run.
        
        Everyone is superior to the biblical god for one simple reason. He is a myth.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Surprise, surprise! A pro-abortion, pro-teen sex, anti-Christian Atheist Republican! Don't look now but you just tighten up my believe in miracles just a notch.
        I call nonsense idiotic all the time. Still eye of beholder, I guess. We use the word foolish more, as in: "The fool says in his heart, there is no God." Hey! what do you know? You are in the Bible!
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Surprise, surprise. A delusional Christian who keeps speaking nonsense. People are not pro-abortion or pro-teen sex. Anti-Christian Atheist is rather redundant. People who are in favor of abortion being legal and teaching teens about sex are people who would rather promote ideas that will help society instead of retarding it.
        
        I not only say there is no god in my heart, I say it out loud, as should anyone who is not a delusional idiot.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Saying it out loud just makes it a delusional spectacle.
        
        Redundancy stresses a point – Verily, verily!
        
        Teaching teens about sex is promoting sex among teens. Even some teachers are getting in the action.
        Abortion IS legal. Being in favor of it being MORE legal is perhaps begging for more of it.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Maybe not all contraception is sin, I think abstinence is OK.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Abstinence is not contraception.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
        
        The atheist is right on this point: abstinence is not contraception.
      - Esther
        
        They are doing something more right than others, certainly more so than the government, but I expect few will see the good in this in this forum.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Why do you assume they are doing something right? Muslims also have a low incidence of illegitimate births.
      - Esther
        
        I know the Saints are doing something right, because I know the things they are taught and I have witnessed first hand the responsibilities these young people take on in order to have good times which involve safety in groups. I have observed many young people grow from young teenagers to adulthood and marry in the Saints' tradition. I don't see any forced situations happening in this scenario as I hear happens in Muslims groups of people, but then, I hasten to add, I have no personal knowledge of the latter, at all, except hearsay. I have had a few negative encounters with Muslims in academics, where I find them to be a rather brazen and superior towards Americans. Therefore, I am not assuming the Saints are doing something right, I know they are. And really I don't know what the Muslims are doing first hand in teaching their young people, though I have read horror stories, if in the latter case, the young do not comply, which to me means they are forced, while the Saints never use force when teaching their young, ever!
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Would it be because of the strong adherence to their religion? Disho nor to the family may end up in honor killing. Death penalty for fornication can have a measurable effect on ilegitimate pregnancies. It would kill the abortion industry as well.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        You are advocating killing people who have premarital sex? Nothing crazy about that idea. (eyes roll)
      - Mex Seiko
        
        It does sound like I am, but I'm just describing the Islamic effect on the problem.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
        
        It's their own fault. We can no more endorse contraception as a means for avoiding pregnancy than we can endorse bulimia as a means for weight loss. Furthermore, fornication and adultery are ALWAYS evil, and we can never condone them for any reason. Just as self-control dictates that we must match our calorie intake to our level of activity and never deliberately induce vomiting for calorie control reasons, so too must we say that to have sex licitly, you must be married to your sex partner and you must not use contraceptives. If you are not married and you have the urge to have sex, either restrain it or get married, but be warned that marriage is a life-long commitment. Once you marry, you cannot marry another while your first spouse still lives, so if you should separate, you must live without any sex at all until your spouse either reconciles with you or dies.
        
        Again, I say that if you fall into sexual sin, it is your own fault, just as it your own fault if you choose to eat an entire large bag of potato chips in one sitting despite not exercising regularly. If you ignore that warning, you'll get fat and eventually wind up with heart disease, hypertension and diabetes, any one of which can kill you, and if you induce vomiting to avoid that, that makes you a bulimic. Likewise, the one who commits sexual sin sins against his own body, and he will reap death from it. Out-of-wedlock pregnancy and/or STDs are the natural result of sexual sin, just as heart disease, diabetes and hypertension are the natural consequences of gluttony. Using contraception to avoid them just makes you a sexual bulimic. Maybe we should tell people who practice contraception that they need to see a therapist for their sexual bulimia.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Bulimia actually works as a method of weight control. Now it also brings on other problems, and I am not advocating it as a good idea, but it does work. Contraception also works. It is not 100%, but then neither is abstinence since people want to have sex.
        
        If people engage in sex, it is our best interests to provide them options to prevent pregnancy.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        When we have a national crisis derived from unbridled sex how is it to our interest or benefit to facilitate it or promote more of it?
        
        Pregnancies and abortions are not the only problems caused by extramarital sex. Now we are demanded to pickup the tab for irresponsible behaviour with the national healthcare. Not only for preventable deceases but preganancies and their prevention. If we're going to be penalized for not contributing for national.healthcare, wouldn't it make sense to penalize those whose voluntary behaviour causes healthcare costs to rise?
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Especially, when we have a Liberal Atheistic media selling sex every which way. Even writters of children programs are sick immoral pedofiles. The public school system is also a mayor contributor to the decay in our society.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The human sex drive has not suddenly appeared in the last 40 years.
      - Mexseiko
        
        Sex drive is not the problem, but the irresponsible promotion and use of sexual relations to the point of affecting the national rate of deaths, illnesses, the national economy, and social decay.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        People are living longer, not shorter lives. If you are concerned about illness, you should be in agreement that more use of condoms will help. Our biggest budget issue is the national debt and spending, not that people are having sex. Social decay has been the lament for thousands of years. Our society is not decaying, it is burdened by too much debt.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        If we take abortion as a measurement of condom efficacy, 55 million since 1973 is a stark indicator of failure. One in five Americans carry some STD bug and ready to share it with the same "drive" they got it in the first place. People are definitely living longer, along with lifelong illnesses. In this discussion, we're addressing abortion in the context of gobernment. ObamaCare impacts 17% o the American economy. Promoting and encouraging hazardous and even lethal behavior to then submit the severe cases to the consideration of an actuary panel with the mission to scale back on the financing of sin, is nuts.
        
        Yeah, I'm concerned about the national debt. But let's leave that to another discussion, shall we.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        On what rational basis can you tie abortion to condom failure, other than a desire to equate make it sound like condoms have a huge failure rate? When used correctly, condoms are effective 98% of the time when used correctly. The reality is far too many people do not use condoms at all.
        
        Sorry, you do not get to decide what we are addressing.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Thanks for making my case. You just proved how condoms are 100% ineffective in "far too many" people as they just don't use them or refuse.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Which is why more comprehensive sex education is needed.
        
        Your position is akin to someone saying that they will not tell you about how to use a seat belt because not everyone does use them and it might encourage them to try and crash into something.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Your position is akin to teaching people to put on their seat belts so they can "drive" faster.
        None of my children nor I ever used any condoms and we never had to deal with BD, because we never fornicated.
        The public school system has taught children over their parents cultural instruction that having sex is ok as long as you wear a condom. There's no moral content. During the Clinton/Lewinsky era, oral sex raised in popularity because it also was suggested as pregnancy avoidance, but it created a whole new set of problems. Public school system is where children or people get their "sex drive" in high gear and loose their moral values courtesy of various interests like the abortion industry and also gay/lesbian indoctrinating society for acceptance as normal. Atheists get in the action fabricating more Atheists through their Secular Humanism successful entry in the school system. The PSS is the main battle ground for Separation of Church and State, sanitizing church from every vestige of faith and morality.
        I would rather emphasize self respect and morality. Abstinence is a by-product along with many other better behavior created by morality teaching. This can only be achieved if the whole education system was privatized. Then Church and State would not apply and moral instruction would be emphasized from the ad campaigns through the actual curriculum.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, my position is that teaching people to use seat belts will help reduce injuries when accidents happen.
        And your entire perspective on std's is absurd. Diseases such as Herpes, Syphilis, and Gonorrhea have been around for centuries. It is not simply due to the PSS that suddenly there is an issue with disease The problem is that people such as yourself scream at the first mention of sex ed and the schools end up with useless abstinence only programs. If you want to use that method for yourself and your children, that is your right, but it is just sheer irresponsibility to force it on the entire population.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        The Guttmacher Institute (guttmacher.org) reports that the United States has the highest levels of teen pregnancy among developed nations. This is hardly surprising, since nearly 75 percent of teenagers have had intercourse by the time they turn 20; only 15 percent report remaining virgins until the age of 21. Additionally, the Institute reports that teens in the US are more likely to have sex before the age of 15, and to have more than one partner in a year, than teenagers in Sweden, France, Canada and the United Kingdom.
        BDs have been around for centuries and PSS is ensuring it stays around by encouraging kids to have sex. Adolescents feed the abortion machine and yes, the prophylactic industry. We're not even getting into the consequences related to pornography coming out o there.
        More than abstinence, what's needed is a cultural change. And it's government's greater influence that facilitates it with our lobby system, politicians exchange access for votes.
      - petroskhan
        
        "Abstinence as a method of birth control fails every time people engage in sex."
        
        So you agree that abstinence works.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        In theory, yes, however, the way human nature works, I do not think it is a reasonable option.
      - petroskhan
        
        So, instead of focusing on teaching morality and abstinence, you would rather hand out condoms to teenagers, and have taxpayers foot the bill for abortions?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I would rather teach kids how to use condoms correctly so that the number of unplanned pregnancies decreases. Comprehensive sex education also delays the first sexual encounter for teenagers that take the classes.
      - petroskhan
        
        True, and although the difference between abstinence only education and education including contraceptive methods is not distinguishable from the studies, the fact remains that sex ed does have a positive effect.
        
        So I do agree that education helps, and does delay the initial sexual encounter, which I consider a good thing.
        
        Broad stroke, yeah, I agree with your statement. Shocking, I know…
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I suspect we are not that far off in many of our views. Where we differ, and it is a big variance, is a belief in the supernatural and that the bible is the word of god. But, all in good time.
      - petroskhan
        
        I think the reason is that when it comes to a great many issues, we are both practical, and we both attempt to approach what we see with logic and the application of whatever intellect we have available to us.
        
        The difference (agreed, it's a big one) is not in what we see, but in what it means to us. And yes…all in good time. I have hope for you yet. :P
  - Jerry R Wood
    
    Read Romans chapter one friend, it lays out the democratic platform, if you support that you are in danger of hellfire.
  - Jerry R Wood
    
    All you have to do is read Romans chapter one and see the democratic platform laid out to a tee, it will also let you know of the consequences.,Where can I find a few of those hundreds of studies you mention?
    - daves
      
      http://finance.yahoo.com/news/study-free-birth-control-leads-fewer-abortions-210623724.html
      
      http://www.guttmacher.org/sections/abortion.php
    - daves
      
      Do you oppose freedom granted by the democratic platform?
      - Evermyrtle
        
        I disagree of any freedom that imposes on others. What happened to you anyway. one day you seem to be a Christian and the next day you seem to be anti-GOD. GOD is not a gentle one that will allow HIS rules to be broken or twisted one tiny little bit. We are either with HIM or against HIM there is no middle ground. If we repent HE will forgive but we must see where we are wrong.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        It does not grant freedom
      - daves
        
        Freedom for women to make their own decisions.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        That is not granted by the Democratic platform. It is granted by the Constitution.
      - daves
        
        Fair enough but but part of the democratic platform is to fight republican efforts to take that freedom away.
      - Mexseiko
        
        It's the Democrats that wan government to rule everything. They raised the taxes on tabaco in order to prevent people fom smoking. they regulate th manufacturing and consupmtion of drugs. I acknowledge a woman's right to make decisions over her own body, but I don't believe a woman or men's right over the body of an unborn child. Once a pregnancy is diagnosed, that new human being must be granted his own human rights.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The Democratic party is very eager to strip away rights. They want prevent people from owning guns. They want to eliminate free speech under the concept of political correctness. They want to force union members to contribute to actives they are not in favor of.
        
        The right to choose is not in any danger of being eliminated.
      - daves
        
        What legislation have the democrats proposed to do any of the things you say?
        
        If it's not proposed legislation then what makes you think the democrats want these things?
        
        I have heard a few democrats who would like to eliminate gun ownership but 99% of the laws proposed only make it more difficult for criminals to legally purchase guns.
        
        I have no idea where your free speech comment comes from.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        I don't oppose it, but on the Democratic platform it won't happen! Republican? Maybe!!
  - Evermyrtle
    
    What has the one who has caused the most abortions been considered.I am sure that a dead baby is a dead baby and somebody is responsible. The Democratic is sponsoring it full time. Most Republicans are dead set against any abortion just for the sake of getting rid of an unwanted baby. You should remember that the baby did not crawl into the uterus, it was put there, by the two people who were so thoughtless they did not take time or did not care enough to prepare. . …
  - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004047180339 John Adams
    
    Most "birth control" is IN FACT a form of abortion. Another thing we know for sure – birth control most certainly DOES encourage fornication, which is a grievous sin.
far2right

"Biden stressed his concern for caring for the vulnerable — the Catholic social doctrine"

What???

How stupid can this man possibly be?

"I care so much for girls who get knocked up that I want them to be able to kill their babies."

The mother who gets the consequence of her sin is the vulnerable one.

While the innocent babe in the womb is vilified as the enemy.

This is the depth of depravity of the Democrat Party.

Take that cross off your neck Joe Bi.

Clearly you are a pretend Christian.

Your church should ex-communicate you.
- Evermyrtle
  
  The devil has possessed his heart, he can't help it!!!
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
    
    You may not be far off. If, as his words suggests, he receives Communion despite his heresy and cowardice, then he is committing sacrilege against the Body and Blood of the Lord Jesus Christ. One of the temporal consequences of sacrilege is hardness of heart, and there's no sin the devil enjoys more than sacrilege against the Most Holy Eucharist. Ever notice that witches never steal Protestant communion bread, nor order unconsecrated hosts online for their rituals? It's because Catholics and Orthodox Christians have real Communion, the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of the Lord Jesus Christ under the appearances of bread and wine. To desecrate the Eucharist is like crucifying Jesus all over again. To be sure, Jesus, having risen from the dead, is immortal and impassible, so their sacrileges can neither kill Him nor physically injure Him. Still, they are knives in His Heart, causing Him great grief.
far2right

""Biden, speaking quietly, said he’s a practicing Catholic. He accepts his church’s opposition to abortion, he said, “in my personal life.”
“But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews,”"
Hello?
That means, Joe, that you really do not accept your church's position on abortion at all.
Your church says it's a baby, not a blob.
If you accepted that then you would be forced to uphold your Constitutional oath to protect every baby's self-evident right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
What an absolute moron.
Ryan should have pounced all over that stupid statement.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
  
  I believe the Biblical term is coward. It should be noted that cowardice is one of the sins listed by Jesus as condemning one to the Lake of Fire. Spiritual cowardice is the sin of denying the Truth in public. Since Jesus is Truth, to deny Truth is to deny Jesus, and whoever denies Jesus before men will be denied by Jesus before the Father.
  - Evermyrtle
    
    Cowardice is one the great problems that has put America in the anti-GOD position, today. We need to preach and practice what we believe, not what we think the public wants or expects.
- Evermyrtle
  
  far right, You nailed it. You 99.50% of the time, you practice what you preach, if it is evil!
fliteking

You cannot be a Christian and defend abortion.
- Evermyrtle
  
  Amen, to defend it is the same as to promote it and to commit an abortion.
  - daves
    
    Who defends abortion? Just because I do not want to see people imprisoned for having an abortion does not mean I defend it.
    - Evermyrtle
      
      Who is being imprisoned? Murder is murder and if murderers belong in prison, well that is where they belong. But so far I don not know of anybody going to prison or suggesting going to prison. Are you guilty of abortion? I have nephew who is guilty, even if the blame usually is put on the mother.
BrianMccleaf

The Biblical paradigm is perfect. One man one woman for life. It can't be ordered by law, but any idiot with any logic can planly see its advantages, and why it should be ENCOURAGED above all else.
NO unwanted pregnancies. No Abortions
STD's dissappear. NO AIDS
What fatherless epidemic? nope
Deadbeat dads? not
Is it easy? not always.
Can it be done? With God all things are possible,
Oh, that's right we got rid of Him.
You selfish fools who support "choice" are just that selfish fools
- Jeff Dixon
  
  Married couples have unwanted babies and often have abortions. STD's have existed for as long as humans have been around. It is hardly a new problem. In Africa, the heterosexual population contracts AID's much more often that the homosexual population. And you really think there are no married men who are unwilling to take care of their children?
  - BrianMccleaf
    
    Married couples do not OFTEN have abortions. STDs {no ' smart guy} were NOT in the Garden,and heterosexual does not imply lifelong marriage. As for the last one, I'm not even going to comment on such a pathetic choice for argument.
    - Evermyrtle
      
      And many times the father is to blame. "Listen here woman, you are not having that baby. I will not risk my wife hearing about this affair!!".
    - Jeff Dixon
      
      Sticking your fingers in your ears about reality does not change the facts. The facts are not all pregnancies for married women are desired and married women do get abortions. The Garden of Eden is not where mankind originated. Believing in ancient tribal myths about the origins of mankind is simply absurd. I have no idea what your point is on heterosexual marriage. And you can dismiss the idea that a married man does not take care of his kids, but it sadly does occur.
      - Despeville
        
        Dingbat, reading your schizoid irrational rantings continues to be a source of fun and better than comedy channel, especially as to what your schizophrenic and miserable simpleton's mind perceives as real or not. Hahhahahaahaha :0)
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Humpty, your opinions mean as much as the ones issued by the inhabitants of the insane asylum.
      - Despeville
        
        Dingbat you are watching too much TV in your asylum. That is a part of keeping you dumbed down…
      - Esther
        
        Despeville, is it not the plan of God that you bring others into His fold? Didn't you ever learn that you can get more bee's with flowers? You are not doing a good job at all… aren't you supposed to feed His sheep, be a good disciple… etc. ?
      - Esther
        
        exactly
      - Esther
        
        Hi Despe: How on earth do expect anyone to take you seriously?
      - Evermyrtle
        
        His views are too irrational and too sad to be funny. He must be a Democrat. I know he is a far-left liberal!! Nothing else can explain his opinions!
      - Esther
        
        You are right on that last point, also the first point. However taxpayer money should not be used to fund ANY abortions until we can get it straight does life begin at conception or not. Isn't that the point in question? Or does it matter, to people who just want them?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Taxpayer money is not being used for abortions.
      - Esther
        
        Planned Parenthood is not funded with by the public's money? Who's money are they taking about? http://dailycaller.com/2012/10/12/obama-campaign-pushes-planned-parenthood-funding-to-woo-women-video/
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        There are public funds for Planned Parenthood. However, they do not use the funds they get from the government for abortions.
      - Esther
        
        That doesn't compute. What else can you tell me about the sources of funding? I really thought that is what all the fuss is about. Why else would the president and would-be president fighting over whether this will be funded if it is not taxpayer money, public money or any kind of money since they are the representatives of the people?
  - Esther
    
    I know of married men who do not want to take care of their children.
- Esther
  
  "If only" IS unrealistic. My Mom used to say "If only everyone were Catholic…. "
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
    
    God says, "I set before you life and death, blessing and cursing. Choose life, that you and your children may live." Unfortunately, some people choose death, preferring the momentary pleasure of sin to the richness of life.
    - Esther
      
      Thankfully, my parents taught us to abstain until marriage and chose life. I have attended meetings when young women talk about the abortion like it is having their teeth cleaned. There is no changing their minds about it. Tragic.I also, now know older women who have deep regrets over having had the procedure. It leaves lasting scars.
cmjay

When PELOSI had an audience with the POPE , the VATICAN made sure she did not have a Photo Op with him. CAROLINE KENNEDY was rejected by the Vatican when Obama appointed her as a Representative to the Vatican. ROME pays attention to what is going on in American Politics.
- Jeff Dixon
  
  Pope meets Cuba's Fidel Castro, slams U.S. embargo
  
  http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/03/29/us-cuba-pope-idUSBRE82Q18W20120329
  
  But he will have photo ops with Castro?
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
    
    Castro, bad as he is, is not committing sacrilege and giving scandal by presenting himself as a Catholic and taking Communion while teaching that abortion is okay. I don't expect non-Catholics, especially atheists, to understand this, but Pelosi's sins are far worse than Castro's if she's approaching the Sacraments despite the automatic excommunication she's under. To approach Communion in a state of mortal sin is an act of deicide.
    - Jeff Dixon
      
      You are not concerned about Castro only because he does not present himself as a Catholic? Wow, you are insane.
Despeville

"“But I refuse to impose it on equally devout Christians and Muslims and Jews,” he said. “I just refuse to impose that on others, unlike my friend here, the congressman.”
~ "Mafia Joe" Biden

This also points to the massive falsehood so present in Roman Catholicism and Protoholicism… Christian Faith is not professing faith. It is CONFESSING FAITH and confessing to what was reveled once and for all and unchanging.
- Esther
  
  Agreed 100% on your point of the hypocrisy of Joe Biden and Roman Catholicism, but I don't see a great reformation from it in your faith, having retained too many of its elements.
- http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
  
  Biden's hypocrisy is his own. The Catechism says he's a heretic, and the Bible says that if he takes Communion without repenting and confessing these sins, he stands guilty of the Body and Blood of the Lord. Biden and his hypocrisy do not represent the Catholic Church.
- Jeff Dixon
  
  What is your issue with Biden? You laugh uncontrollably just like him. You lie just like him. Your opinions are just as absurd and idiotic as his.
Jerry R Wood

Read Romans Chapter one and it completely lays out the Democratic platform. How can you be a democrat, support this platform and be a true born again christian, not just believing in God, the devil also believes and trembles. Regardless if you are a democrat you need to repent.