Obama's Family Funding Sharia

A new campaign issue explodes.

An issue that illustrates exactly the kind of thinking that resulted in the deaths of the American Ambassador to Libya and his colleagues. An issue that shows exactly why a 14-year-old Pakistani girl named Malala was shot in the head by the Taliban — and why the Taliban are now threatening journalists for covering Malala's plea for educated women.

An issue that now, per a Fox News "Breaking News" report from Wendell Goler as this is written, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is in Peru saying the buck in all this stops with her. (Note: We suggested this back on September 18 — when we called for the Secretary's resignation.)

The issue: Funding Sharia .

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Evermyrtle

I believe that about 90 % of America know that the Obamas are supporting Sharia. Most conservatives will admit knowing it, liberals are trying to keep it secret.
- fliteking
  
  I agree, only denial could be keeping the truth from being heard.
- Robert30
  
  You are still up to your ill informed statements. Conservatives are as bad as anyone in the Muslim world who practices the 'wrong' side of Sharia.
  The fun-dam-mentalist xians are every bit as bad and as dangerous as any Muslim conservative cleric.
http://profile.yahoo.com/HFMELPJ2QU37W53K2TKL4HJQGM Ted

I don't want Sharia law, nor any form of it, in my country! I also don't wan't anyone who supports it in any political position. I've thrown down the 'gauntlet,' and I'm challenging "Now make something of it!"
- daves
  
  That is because you don't understand it and are afraid.
  - Evermyrtle
    
    If you have a brain at all you would be afraid, too. Bad times are coming,likely like you have never seen. There is nothing wrong in being scared. the problem is when we cower and hide instead of meeting the danger.We can only do that, if we are walking with GOD, this fact gives us courage, because we know HE will take of us.
    - daves
      
      There is good reason to be afraid of a small percentage of crazy Muslims but there is no reason to be afraid of Sharia.
      
      http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/report/2011/03/31/9175/understanding-sharia-law/
      - Jerry R Wood
        
        Pack up and move to Iran the if you love and understand sharia. What a toad you must be.
      - daves
        
        God Bless.
      - muslims_suk
        
        Dave, you're STILL full of crap…………………… as usual!
      - daves
        
        May the lord Jesus bless you also.
      - fliteking
        
        No Christian would advance sharia.
      - fliteking
        
        daves / brad /proudpatriot et al comes out in favor of spousal abuse and honor killings.
        
        Nice daves, nice. Any friends – - – at all?
      - daves
        
        Bear false witness much?
      - fliteking
        
        No false witness on this end chimp-champ – - – you do not know the facts of Sharia.
      - daves
        
        God knows the truth.
      - cyndlou
        
        back at ya daves – you are the epitame of false witness
      - Esther
        
        You don't agree that God knows the truth?
      - cyndlou
        
        WHAT? my comment was directed at daves comment about nothing to fear of Sharia- are you suggesting daves is God – becasue not only do I believe God knows the truth – God IS the truth.
      - Esther
        
        I know you do… sorry for the error … I meant to say something rude to daves also.
      - Esther
        
        daves: You don't agree that God knows the truth… about the evils of Sharia LAW? Wake up DAVES !!!
      - Esther
        
        TIME TO WAKE UP daves: You do realize:
        
        Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice.
        
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVNoClu0h9M accessed 103112
      - dntmkmecomoverther
        
        'Crazy' muslims have been responsible for every terrorist attack on the US since 1979. Last count there have been about 180 attacks around the world on its citizens by muslims. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamic_terrorist_attacks
        
        The historical evidence suggests that we ought to be afraid of letting these vermin gain any legal or political foothold ANYWHERE on earth.
      - Esther
        
        daves, sharia is practiced by all Muslims. WAKE UP.
  - http://profile.yahoo.com/HFMELPJ2QU37W53K2TKL4HJQGM Ted
    
    It simply has no business in our country.
    - daves
      
      You want any Muslims practicing their religion in the U.S.? You would have to repeal the first amendment for that.
      - Esther
        
        Once upon a time in America, we had a policy:
        
        We do not negotiate with terrorists.
        
        Anyone remember that? I believe it was The Dynamic Duo Clintons who changed all that. Maybe that is what they did one Friday afternoon after forcing the banks to lend money to poor people to buy their houses… you know the kind of trick Obama pulled on the American people… every Friday afternoon, as we prepared for a restful weekend… it would happen.
http://www.facebook.com/alice.ray.988 Alice Ray

The dumbed down, the uneducated, not paying attention public doesn' have a clue about Sharia. The women, gays and christians had better wake up fast and get a clue. Pass the word on about what this is to anyone that will listen. America must retain her fredom of speech, so that you can keep learning the truth.
- daves
  
  Do you have a clue about Sharia? Here is a good article.
  
  http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/report/2011/03/31/9175/understanding-sharia-law/
  - Jerry R Wood
    
    Do you have a clue about freedom toad?
  - slcraig
    
    So, from your own citation it is plain that Sharia and Progressives are hand in hand with the philosophy of "moral relativism"………
    
    "But these specialists do agree on the following:
    Sharia is not static. Its interpretations and applications have changed and continue to change over time.There is no one thing called Sharia. A variety of Muslim communities exist, and each understands Sharia in its own way. No official document, such as the Ten Commandments, encapsulates Sharia. It is the ideal law of God as interpreted by Muslim scholars over centuries aimed toward justice, fairness, and mercy.Sharia is overwhelmingly concerned with personal religious observance such as prayer and fasting, and not with national laws……………
    Also known as UN-American insofar as being a REPUBLIC is concerned, which, insofar as OUR Constitution is concerned, translate into being governed and judged under the Rule of Law, equally without regard to race, gender, wealth status, or religion………..
    - daves
      
      It is not un-American to allow people to follow their faith. Nothing could be more American.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        It is un-American to implement laws which run counter to the Constitution. Which is why Sharia law should never be allowed in this country.
        
        It is also why the Ten Commandments should never be the basis for law in this country either.
      - dntmkmecomoverther
        
        Jeff, I agree on point one; disagree on point two. If God grants our rights which the Declaration clearly says, then God also by default is the 'lawgiver'. Outside of that truth, only a moral relativism would exist, monitored by the likes of people/politicians. I don't think either of us want 'people or politicians' whose minds change daily, deciding what's right and wrong. (you and I have had this discussion before…we can take it up again if necessary…)
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The Constitution allows freedom of religion. The bible does not.The Constitution allows freedom of expression. The bible does not. The Constitution says everyone is equal. The bible does not.
        
        Implementing biblical laws would be just as harmful as Sharia laws.
      - cyndlou
        
        God does allow us freedom of religion, He does not, however, allow us freedom to pick our own god. He created us and earth that we exist on and so why shouldn't He demand our loyalty to Him. He created us to be in relationship with us and people choose to be loyal to a god that doesn't even exist – what if you made a child and when they got to be about 15 years old, chose to go live with his buddy's family because their ways were lawless – no rules just have fun – and he ignored you as his parent? Talk about pain – all because you love your child and want what is best for him.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        If there is no freedom on which god to choose, then there is not actual religious freedom. Killing people in a worldwide flood is hardly indicative of a personal relationship. Well, unless one is a psychopath.
      - cyndlou
        
        God – you know the true God – is not religion otherwise God would include Buddah, Allah, and who knows who else – but you see Buddah is Buddah – a god but not the
        God. religion includes hinduism, muslim, and many many more but they worship false gods – get it – religtion is religion and we have the freedom to choose to be catholic, baptist, mormon, hindu, muslim – but there is only one true God so how is there freedom to pick from just one. as far as a world wide flood – my point is made in my comment above – nobody but Noah and his family chose to be in relationship with God – and guess what – it's going to happen againso do yourself a big favor and choose to have a relationship with God through Jesus Christ His Son. And with that – have a good day – don't bother responding.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Sorry, you do not get to dictate when I will respond. Your comments are silly. Buddha is not considered a god by the people who follow him.
        
        Noah and his family choose to be in a relationship with god? So as soon as their boat was safely landed, they decided the best way to show their appreciation for their safety was to start sinning against this god and violating this relationship? lol
        
        There was never a worldwide flood that happened since Mankind has been on this planet and there will not be one occurring in the future. It is simply delusional and bizarrely wishful thinking on your part to state there will be one.
      - cyndlou
        
        it will be destroyed by fire – and I was simply suggesting that you not respond because you really have no idea what you are talkiin about and i'm shocked that someone so unbelieving would have made their way onto this web-site
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I suspect you are shocked by many normal events in life. I have been posting on here for over a year. Right, the revelation account of the end of the world. My favorite is the locusts who were like unto horses prepared for war; and upon their heads as it were crowns like unto gold, and their faces were as men's faces. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as teeth of lions. And they had breastplates, as it were breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots, of many horses rushing to war.
        
        John was one crazy guy.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Many things written by the prophets were shown to them in visions and were things from a far distant day ahead from their time, basically, today. So, their descriptions of these images were mostly comparisons to objects they knew. These locusts are obviously flying machines with propellers. Breastplates of iron speak of the metallic construction of the machines. Daniel was told to seal up his vision. Peter said the prophets themselves wrote about things which were mysteries to them because they actually wrote them not for themselves but for a latter day people.
        
        Atheists nervously ridicule stuff they have no understanding or capacity to comprehend. Th Bible says demons believe and tremble, I guess many humans are in the same boat as well. That's why the Bible describes them as "fools."
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        They were obviously flying machines??? With faces like men and hair like women?? lol
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Now that is humorous. I am not nervous at all. I have science and history on my side of the equation. If anyone should be nervous, it should be you.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Th history of the people of Israel from the Exodus to their reconstitution in 1948 is an indictment of your disbelief. Thanks to science we can see God's signature on Creation. Many scientists have been left without any choice but to acknowledge the impossibility of evolution as presented by other stubborn scientists.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The reason that Israel exists today is because Christians wanted the country to exist again. There was no god involved, just zealous Christians.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I get that a lot from Jew haters and unbelievers. Self fulfilled prophesy! But self or otherwise it was fulfilled.
        It wasn't like someone just said: "Ok. Lets do this" and snap, there you go.
        Yet, you see, there was a larger convergence of factors that made the reconstitution of Israel. UK's position in the Middle-East, the existence of a young League of Nations, the conditions of the Palestinian region, and the displacement of millions of Jews, whom would not be repatriated to their homes.
        As far as the Christian factor, well, there wouldn't be any Christians without God. He inserted Himself into history and what do you know? There it is.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Yes, there was several factors that helped the state of Israel come together. But the reality is that it was Christians in Great Britain and American who pushed it forward. And contrary to your comment, that makes a huge difference. If people purposefully made a prediction come true, then all it shows is those people desired it to come about. No gods were involved. As with everything that happens that involves mankind, it is all done by people.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        What you continually (and intentionally) ignore is the fact that the conditions became favorable to the fulfillment of the prophesy through history and that in the end, self or otherwise, prophesy was fulfilled. America and England had been at war 200 years prior to this event and had become allies through other circumstances.
        Further, the fulfillment of the prophesy of the restoration of Israel is coupled to another prophesy of them coming from the valley of the dry bones and that is linked to Hitler's death camps. If you see pictures of Jews behind the cyclone fence, you are looking at at dry bones. That contributing factor was not self-fulfilled.
        Finally, the intentional advancement of a prophesy does not invalidate it, as it required many other elements in order to achieve it.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Of course it invalidates it. If a group of people set out to make something occur merely because it was written in the bible, then the supposed prophecy is nothing of the sort.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Not in a case where the prophesy is hinged on such a massive event like the Holocaust. This was a prerequisite to the reconstitution. The sequence had to be in the prophesied order. Dry bones, then the reconstruction. Zionism predates the Holocaust and the League of Nations which was the forum where the resolution was issued. UK was on board back in 1898, but nothing, not-a-thing, happened until Holocaust was done.
        As much " power" as US/UK may've had, none of them orchestrated Holocaust. Both of them fought Hitler and 3 years later, boom!
        Of course, you wouldn't acknowledge the Magog war, but the scenario is set and ready to blow. Perhaps you know that according to Scripture the Rapture occurs "before" Gog and Magog. It may be months, a year, or 5, but it's certainly close. If Obama wins the elections, the American decline will shift into a high speed and encourage the attack even more. We're been slapped around by guerillas everywhere. The players are set.
        Bush was mocked for saying he was doing the work of the Lord. Maybe he didn't even realized it himself, but if Saddam Hussein was alive, he would've been on board to join the coalition, but as you can see, Iraq is not on the list. Iraq will prosper and perhaps become the house of the world government as UN looks for a new place to violate parking meters.
        Either way, your denial does nothing to reality.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Dry bones does not automatically mean the Holocaust. That is simply what you need it mean to fit your silly prophecy.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Dry bones is exactly what you don't want it to be. Dry bones describes nothing else between Ezekiel's day and 1945. No war in which the Jews have been involved caused them be in the conditions they were during the Holocaust. Sir Winston Churchill documented it in careful detail so no one would dispute that it occurred. It's also not helpful for your denial of the direct scriptural portrayal of the Holocaust followed 3 years later by a world organization's decree or resolution creating the state of Israel nowhere else but exactly where God prescribed it.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        More nonsense. There were pogroms against the Jews in Russia long before the Nazi Holocaust.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Pogroms occurred all over Europe, but still comparing a house burning with a pile of corpses 7 feet high, a gathering and inventorying of a specific group of people from all over Europe with the sole purpose of systematically massacring them by the fastest means possible and starving them while they wait their turn is sheer stupidity.
        The image of the dry bones related specifically to the Jews cannot be related to anythiiig in history other than the Holocaust, which was followed by the resolution to reconstitute the country called Israel. Neither you nor powers and principalities can change that fact.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, the only stupidity is believing that the verse can only apply to one event when it is obvious it can apply to many events.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Name the other events. Holocaust is the only event portraying the Dry Bones connected directly with the reconstitution of Israel.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I already did, the pogroms in Russia.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Pogroms were sporadic and spread out through Europe. They don't compare with the massive gathering of all Jews possible and massacred and placed in camps. We even have pictures so you can see the "dry bones."
        Use your critical mind where it really matters. The next tetrad could be the the rebuilding of the 3rd Temple. Rapture is before that.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I have used my mind. There will never be a Rapture.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        You've rather shut your mind up and refused to see the truth. Just saying that something will not happen will not prevent it from happening.
        I base my confidence on past experience and reliability of the source, which has been faithful even through our time and the example we just discussed and to firm it up, these events are marked buy not just the Moon, but in conjunction with the Sun, which were made as expressed by the Bible to point to these events, matching the calendar and the related prophesies.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, the only one of the two of us who has a closed mind is you. You simply cannot conceive of a world in which you are wrong. Therefore, you try and force every aspect of the bible to be true.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Hey Jeff;
        
        Google tetrads in relation to Israel. Most of them fall on Jewish feast days. Also, during the Jewish transitioning to the Land after Holocaust. The heavens and the earth are His and they move by His command.
        Check out future tetrads and mark your calendar. Pretty cool stuff may happen on those days.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No it wont
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Tetrads marked the Crucifixion of you know who, the transition of Jews into their land (1948-49), their taking over Jerusalem (1967-68). The next ones may be related to the rebuilding of the Temple in 2014-15.
        Will you be ready for this? Can you change the course of the Moon, the Sun?
        http://debate.atheist.net/showthread.php?t=4598
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Unlike the course of the Moon and Sun that everyone can see, the events you describe are only on a course that delusional people see.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        How can a person see the Moon and the Sun and miss the events that surround they're joining together to point to those events?
        Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        As I said, only delusional people do see the things you are talking about.
      - KentPerry
        
        Yeah and the Bolsheviks? These were the same Jews Christ admonished. The same atheist jews who govern israel to this day and have manipulated many Christians into defending their country
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        So you are in favor of letting Israel be overrun by the Muslims?
      - KentPerry
        
        If thats what Israel wants, who am I not to "Let them"
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Israel is doing whatever it can to avoid that very thing, dim bulb.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The pogroms against the Jews in Russia started under the Czars. not the Bolsheviks. You know, those Christian guys.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Exactly because of an event like the holocaust. That made the creation of Israel possible. But only because people lobbied for it.
      - KentPerry
        
        Actually Jeff, Hitler financed a lot of the creation of Israel
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Do you really enjoy being an idiot on display?
      - KentPerry
        
        No but you sure do. Jeff you really are a complete idiot. Here pusscake. Stuff this in your "Oppps can't argue that one anymore" basket. What I am telling you is a FACT. http://youtu.be/j-1ts3VTeeI
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        All that shows is that Hitler allowed people to move to Palestine. He did not finance the actual creation of Israel. But it is interesting to see your hatred for yet another group of people surface.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        The Holocaust is part of the prophesy and the Americans or UK had nothing to do with it other than stopping it.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        As did the evil Russians. Once again, it is people doing things on this planet, not any gods.
      - KentPerry
        
        ah ah ahhh not so Hoss http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/providence-divine/
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        ah ah ahhh yes, Hoss.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Kent, let me put it in terms you should be able to relate to. A prophet states that on a night of giving, two men shall kill the ghost. Two brain dead and idiotic psychotic loons decide to get liquored up and while drinking at their favorite bar, they see a man dressed up as a ghost on Halloween. They assume that since he is gay he is already dead and pepper spray him full of buckshot to complete the job. Then they brag about how they made sure the prophecy was fulfilled.
      - KentPerry
        
        Jeff I don't happen to agree to the State of Israel and I don't believe the Zionist plot is doing the United States any good what so ever. I don't agree it is biblical either. I am not a follower of the scofield bible reference that has changed this passage to mean "the Jews" some may call me anti-semitic and those that do can think that but Israel has been so anti American at times I really don't care what they think.
        
        I don't think Israel is worth one American life or one American Dollar
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        So you think we should turn our back on the one true democracy in the Middle East and allow the Muslims to add another country to their list. Who cares if you do not think it is biblical. Of course it is not biblical. Nothing is actually biblical in the sense of the god of bible being involved. The god of the bible is a myth. But the USA should protect its allies, especially when they are a democracy.
      - KentPerry
        
        Ever hear of divine providence idiot. I suggest you understand it.
        
        http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/providence-divine/
        
        Ill be using the arguments given in that study so BRUSH UP JEFF!
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I certainly hope you use the arguments of someone else. Yours are simply too funny.
      - KentPerry
        
        at least mine are from scholars idiot
        http://youtu.be/56YyLUi3Cs8
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        How would you know? You certainly cannot follow an argument.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Oh no, not divine providence.
      - KentPerry
        
        Actually it was atheists that got Israel started idiot. Atheist Jews. You know like Karl Marx and Herzel
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        lol. Right. The atheists wanted Israel to exist. What are you smoking boy?
      - KentPerry
        
        Jeff You ever been to Israel? It has always been run by ATHEIST JEWS IDIOT look it up
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Of course, the atheist believers in a god. You truly are demented.
      - KentPerry
        
        Jeff try to grasp this ok moron,, Bill Maher is a Jew, he is also an atheist. Jews are not a race they are a tribe, they are not a religion they are a tribe., some believe in the God of abraham but the Jews that were involved in the balfour agreements were atheist. Most of the Jews that run the Media, are just like Bill Maher..
        
        Atheist Jews
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Yes, there are atheist Jews. However, the leaders of the state of Israel are not atheists. You might be the most brain dead idiot I have ever encountered.
      - KentPerry
        
        Jeez here we go again eh Jeff. Having Fun tonight aren't you ya loser
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I have fun every night.
      - KentPerry
        
        Ha ha ha Ok.. we have fun at your expense.
        
        Thanks for that by the way .
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        If you consider being shown up as fun, then I am sure you do enjoy our exchanges.
      - KentPerry
        
        You have NOTHING on your side. Not a thing. The only thing about you that may make one nervous is that you may actually worsen the gene pool further.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I am quite sure you consider science and history to be nothing. The way you butcher the information from these topics is, quite frankly, hysterical.
      - KentPerry
        
        Yes Max, you have him pegged to a tee. The man is just devoid of any sense of historical context much less the ability to understand these scriptures.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Now that is really amusing. Mex and I are debating whether the recreation of Israel is an act of god. You have been arguing that Israel is nothing the USA should be involved with. You also said it is not biblical. Yet you want to say that I am wrong and Mex is right when you obviously disagree with Mex as well. As you keep showing, logic is not your strong suit.
        
        KentPerry posted a comment in Obama's Family Funding Sharia · 2 days ago
        Jeff I don't happen to agree to the State of Israel and I don't believe the Zionist plot is doing the United States any good what so ever. I don't agree it is biblical either. I am not a follower of the scofield bible reference that has changed this passage to mean "the Jews" some may call me anti-semitic and those that do can think that but Israel has been so anti American at times I really don't care what they think.
      - Esther
        
        Not to mention, Calvin must be rolling over to hear such an alignment between these two opposing forces. I keep telling Kent, his imputation is in jeopardy. 'just sayin' :)
      - Esther
        
        A Calvinist aligning with a Catholic against an atheist, on the subject of understanding the Catholic point-of-view. Will wonders ever cease? What would Calvin think?
      - KentPerry
        
        Don't really care what he would think
      - Esther
        
        Whether it matters, Kent, it seemed to me you revere him, you have claimed his philosophy. How does that not cohere? Beyond that point, have you read any of Mex's posts? Consider his recent comments to me to convince me the basis of constitutional law in our country is Catholicism. I think that is ludicrous.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Psychopaths never do.
      - KentPerry
        
        Just a guy doing his best to describe something so completely out of his realm back then but using the language of his day and analogues that might best describe a Modern Black Hawk Helicopter covered in string lattice camouflage.
        
        John Crazy?? PfffT
        
        AS IF!
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        "And they had tails like unto scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt men five months."
        
        Right, helicopters hurt people for five months. lol. I am sure you relate to the story in Revelation very well. It is right up your alley of inflicting pain on people.
      - Esther
        
        I thought scorpions killed, not just "hurt men five months"
        
        p.s. Jeff, do you have an online reference for the tale of the scorpion and the frog? I would like to read it. :)
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        http://www.aesopfables.com/cgi/aesop1.cgi?4&TheScorpionandtheFrog
      - Esther
        
        so sweet, thanks!!!
      - KentPerry
        
        Yes they do look like insects giant locusts the wings flutter so fast like the blades of the helicopter had you never seen one before. Ever stick your hand in the tail of the choppers aft blade,, you should give it a try Jeff, and the reference of five months is just that, they were utilized inflicting pain on man for five months.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I realize that you feel the need to try to rationalize the absurd, but trying to say that helicopters inflicted pain that lasted for five months is truly one of the silliest things you have ever said.
      - KentPerry
        
        No in fact your comments are what is silly Jeff HERE IS WHAT SHE SAID QUOTE:
        "God – you know the true God – is not religion otherwise God would include Buddha Allah, and who knows who else – but you see Buddha is Buddha – a god but not the God. religion includes hinduism, muslim, and many many more but they worship false gods – get it" So when you say " Buddha is not a god by the people who follow him"
        
        Could THAT be the reason cyndlou said this in the very same post you IDIOT
        
        Quote"but you see Buddha is Buddha – a god but not the God."
        
        If there is but ONE true God Jeff IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THEY FOLLOW AS A GOD OR NOT A GOD. You follow Satan and don't even know it but thats just an opinion. You however substantiate that opinion every time you open your Godless big mouth
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Buddha is not considered to be a god, you dim bulb. Which I already pointed out to Cyndlou. Are you really that dense?
      - KentPerry
        
        No Jeff, are YOU? It seems you have already forgotten our last exchange over this topic when I taught YOU who siddhartha was. I never said anywhere I thought him to be God you IDIOT. GET A CLUE JEFF and quit being so damned stupid
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        You attempted to point out that Cyndlou did not say that Buddha was a god when she clearly did. Oh, and stop with the nonsense of lying about teaching me anything other than how to be a psychopath. That is the only thing you know how to teach.
        
        Satan is simply another myth, Kent. There is no hell waiting for people.
      - KentPerry
        
        Again Jeff you fail to UNDERSTAND C-O-N-T-E-X-T! In what Context did she refer to Buddha Jeff. She did NOT say Buddha was a God, She said "Buddha was Buddha" "a God" as in NOT REAL. Then follows by saying NOT "THEE GOD" as in REAL God. Now Jeff you need to make up your mind here first you told me Buddha was called a Supreme Being, the eternal one a deity or God to his religious followers. I am the one who taught you that he was NOT and here you are calling me the "dim bulb" . I told you Jeff, you need to watch what you say in any thread I am present because All I have to do is copy paste your stupid posts to this program and up comes all your past statements corroborating my allegation that this subject you had argued the exact opposite stance. You know it and I know it.
        
        I intend to demolish your arguments using your on contradictory statements Jeff and believe me,, I WILL have you looking the fool, so keep it up smartguy
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Yeah, yeah, yeah. Then simply do it instead if saying you are going to do it. I know Cyndlou does not believe Buddha to be a real god, but she did call him a god. And his followers do not say that. They also do believe him to be eternal, because he acheived perfection. But that does not mean they believed that he created the universe or is a god.
      - KentPerry
        
        So then you are saying he is not regarded as a deity ie; God? That Buddha is not called a Supreme Being, and the eternal one? And that I never taught you a thing about him?? Jeff YOU COULDN'T BE MORE STUPID AND MORE INCORRECT
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Here is information from a Buddhist website, you loon. Read it and actually try to learn something factual for a change.
        
        Buddhism is unique amongst the religions of the world because it does not have
        any place for God in its soteriology. Indeed most Asian religions (with the
        possible exception of some extremely devotional forms of Hinduism) are
        essentially non-theistic, in that God does not occupy the central place that is
        accorded to him in monotheistic religious traditions. But Buddhism goes beyond
        most of these other religions in that it is positively anti-theistic because the
        very notion of God conflicts with some principles which are fundamental to the
        Buddhist view of the world and the role of humans in it (see section 5 below).
        
        http://www.buddhanet.net/budsas/ebud/ebdha068.htm
      - KentPerry
        
        Gee Jeff,,and isn't that what I was telling you just THREE MONTHS AGO! Go ahead Jeff tell me I am imagining this so I can SHOW YOU EXACTLY WHERE YOU FIRST HEARD IT
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Then show it.
      - KentPerry
        
        Quote "religtion is religion" Wow is THAT DEEP JEFF! should I rip on you the same way you did me for saying "being gay is being gay" or is that just one of those many double standards you pulled out your colon again. Man this program I made pasting your posts with it coming up with debatable attacks is working great!
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        It might help if you showed where I supposedly said that.
      - KentPerry
        
        "Being Gay is Being Gay Oh thats deep Kent" – Jeff Dixon
        
        "I think genocide of Christians is logical considering they are all psychopaths" – Jeff Dixon
        
        "I know being gay is not a choice because I tried it and I didn't like it" – Jeff Dixon
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        lol. So, now you are simply going to start making up supposed quotes from me? You truly are pathetic.
      - Esther
        
        Kent, NONE of these sound like Jeff. You are really crossing the line! Think about what you are doing. It is not right.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        You will note that his lying comment was deleted. I suspect by the Admins and not by Kent because Kent realized how silly he looked. But in any event, no the comments were not from me, but lies made up by Kent.
      - Esther
        
        If I were you, I would edit at the beginning of each one of your responses to those those that the (comment referred to has been deleted by web admin) or something like that. I did pull down the menu that is on the upper right and select "Flag as inappropriate" when his comment had really bad language
        
        do this maybe: (comment flagged as inappropriate and deleted by web admin)
      - Esther
        
        I pulled down the menu and "flagged as inappropriate" several of the worst ones yesterday, and the admins deleted them.
      - Esther
        
        I just reported the one above; it has scatological language; I will do that everytime I see it.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Oh yes. It is working so well that you immediately decided to start making up comments from me instead of actually finding these contradictory comments that you claim I make. lol
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I trust God's judgment and appreciate Him creating a better environment for us to develop.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The god of the bible is not interested in developing a better environment for people to develop. He is interested in people praying to him 24/7. While I have no doubt you would consider that to be a wonderful environment, do not be surprised when others disagree.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        No. I'm certainly not surprised at all.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Of course not, People have been laughing at biblical prophecy for hundreds of years.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Laughing at prophesy is an exercise of foolishness. A human prerogative.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        It is very human to laugh at the absurd.
      - KentPerry
        
        Quote" He is interested in people praying to him 24/7"
        
        Scripture and verse Hoss,, Scripture and verse or shut your lying big mouth idiot
      - Jeff Dixon
        
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        New Living Translation (©2007)
        Never stop praying.
      - KentPerry
        
        HA HA HA HA You of course would interpret (Just to cover your stupid ass comment) that the intent of that quote means never stop praying every second of everyday 60 seconds of every minute, 60 minutes of every hour, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. Doesn't leave time to eat, sleep, read, work, even wipe your ass but thats ok Jeff, we see right through your sophomoric idiotic attempt to be right at all costs, even when you take a quote meaning "Never Stop" as in Never Stop over a lifetime same as someone saying never stop dreaming or never stop trying, never stop learning, all these phrases can be easily interpreted as a practice or behavior, one exercises daily, monthly etc,. but ONLY an IDIOT, would make the asinine claim you have. Someone must have told you at one time early in your life, Jeff, "Never stop being an idiot" and you haven't disappointed ever since.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        You asked for a verse that says to pray 24/7. i provided one. The fact that it is impossible to pray 24/7 is no different than the reality that the sun cannot stop in the sky or that all the animals in the world could fit on a single ship. The bible makes many impossible claims.
        
        Please show where the verse says it is ok to stop praying when a person needs to sleep or eat.
      - KentPerry
        
        Jeff mumbled incoherently: " Killing people in a worldwide flood is hardly indicative of a personal relationship." Really Jeff? You tell us what it is indicative of smartguy because so far, all you've done in this thread, is act a fool and a jerk.
      - KentPerry
        
        It says all men are CREATED EQUAL under the law but religion has nothing to with God in the context dntmkmecomoverther is referring to
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The biblical god does not consider all men to be created equal.
      - KentPerry
        
        All that you just said is a complete lie. Quote:"The Constitution says everyone is equal." UNDER THE LAW but most of us know we are not all equal Jeff, some are shorter, taller, some smarter, and then there are some so stupid in their attempts to shove that idiotic decontextualized garbage down everyones throats. If it weren't so easy to see how desperate it is,, people would conclude you to be a complete idiot. Fortunately, we can all see you are a complete and desperate idiot
      - daves
        
        Absolutely. It should never be a law that we have to face east and pray 10 times a day or whatever else they practice.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Yet, you have no concern if a section of the country embraces Sharia law?
      - daves
        
        I don't care if Muslims want to face east and pray 10 times a day if that's what you mean.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, I am talking about the parts of Sharia law that concern how women should be treated.
      - daves
        
        Their rules that women should cover themselves in public is a tough one. I don't like it and I think they will abandon it someday. But our laws do not tell people how to dress and our constitution protects their right to dress according to their religion.
        
        Anything that is against U.S. law or a state's law should be punished the same as it is for anyone else.
        
        I am not an expert on sharia law but according to Wikipedia – sharia is not a formal code and different Muslims believe different things.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I am not talking about how they dress.
        On October 30, 2008, the United Nations condemned the stoning to death of
        Aisha Duhulowa, a 13-year-old girl who had been gang-raped and then sentenced to
        death by a Sharia court for fornication (Zina). She was screaming and begging
        for mercy, but when some family members attempted to intervene, shots were fired
        by the Islamic militia and a baby was killed.
        
        Local Sharia courts in Bangladesh regularly punish raped minor girls and
        women by flogging and beating them with shoes.[1] Similar cases of punishing
        raped women are Mina v. the State, Bibi v. the State and Bahadur v. the
        State.[2] Sharia courts in Pakistan have punished thousands of raped women by
        long term imprisonment.[3]
        
        You might think that such horrific barbarity cannot be
        the real Sharia law; that it is a misapplication of the law by ignorant clergy.
        Sadly, neither is true.
        
        http://www.aina.org/news/20081117111817.htm
      - daves
        
        Of course that is barbaric and unacceptable. I seriously doubt that could ever be allowed in the U.S.
        
        The article you posted contradicts the two links I have added. It says that sharia is written down and tough to change. Both of the links I added say that sharia means different things to different people and that nothing is written down.
        
        I really don't know who to believe.
        
        I used to work with a guy from Bangladesh, he was a pretty devout Muslim and a super nice, compassionate man. His parents used to send him pictures of women from Bangladesh until he picked one for his arranged marriage. I met his wife a couple of times and she was nice also. He didn't have a problem with her dressing and acting like and American – driving, going to college and working.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        One way to ensure it does not happen in America is to not allow Sharia law to be practiced here.
      - daves
        
        That would require that we deny Muslims their right to practice their religion.
        
        Sharia is overwhelmingly concerned with personal religious observance such as prayer and fasting, and not with national laws.
        
        http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/religion/report/2011/03/31/9175/understanding-sharia-law/
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        A religion is not allowed to over-ride the Constitution.
      - daves
        
        Nope it's not but praying is not against the constitution.
      - Esther
        
        That is just the tip of the iceberg daves. Get real.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I could not care less about praying. I am talking about people getting killed. Why are you unwilling to discuss that issue?
      - KentPerry
        
        Probably because you are such an idiot
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Kent, what point is your inane comment in reference to?
      - daves
        
        What won't I discuss? I read the link you posted and I agree there are horrible Muslims who distort their religion with barbaric cruelty.
        
        I have also given you information I have read that says for most Muslims, sharia is a set of rules about how and when to pray and has nothing to do with criminal law or government.
        
        Do you think that the majority of Muslims in the U.S. think that little girls should be stoned as punishment?
        
        I could be very wrong but so far you have not proven to me that I am. I do enjoy your posts, you have taught me many things.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        When I brought up that Muslims believe in stoning people according to Sharia law, you started discussing prayer. I frankly have no idea what the majority of Muslims in the USA believe. However, while they have freedom of religion, they do not have the freedom to conduct religious practices that would injure or kill another. As I said before, a religion is not allowed to over-ride the Constitution. The only aspects of Sharia law that can be used in this country are the ones that coincide with the existing rules of law we have in this country. Therefore, the idea of Sharia law being used in this country should be pointless.
        
        I appreciate the compliment. Thank you.
      - daves
        
        Yep, like I said I don't know much about sharia law but from what I have read it is about how and when to pray and not about punishments.
      - Esther
        
        Thank you, Mr. Dixon.
      - Esther
        
        Precisely daves… we have a long history with these people, see my earlier comment to you. You understand them. Now take the next step. A facebook friend of mine has the avatar:
        
        WE CANNOT COEXIST WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KILL US.
        
        Would you let a rattle snake live in your house with you dogs and kids around? Guess what they think people who like dogs are dirty!!! Do you know we have to give them permission to have horses in their homes?
      - daves
        
        What is the alternative Esther? Deny rights to religions we don't like? Look into the know nothing party and their discrimination against Catholic immigrants. People thought the Catholics wanted to subvert our constitution and force their beliefs on the rest of us.
      - Esther
        
        The alternative? Alternative from what? From your contention that they are nice? What the heck are you talking about? The "know nothing party" ??? Who are they? And the rest of what you say… give the context … there is no way to respond I don't know what you are talking about. I do know "THE CATHOLICS" and the Spanish Inquisition and the settling of the Louisiana Purchase when Louisiana was 1/3 of this nation, but I have no idea what you are talking about specifically… it is like shooting in the dark to respond to you.
        
        There is a time in America when we had a standard, and that standard ONCE WAS: WE DO NOT NEGOTIATE WITH TERRORISTS. We have thrown that away: HILLARY CLINTON CHANGED ALL THAT WITH HER ACCEPTANCE OF MORE WORTHY COMPASSION. Yes she is promoting her senior class dream with the help of the current president, for "We" now believe, to paraphrase my post to which you have responded, that "WE" CAN COEXIST WITH PEOPLE WHO WANT TO KILL US. How clear of a position of mine do you want me to make it?
        
        Please be specific. What "alternative"? Make some sense here,. please!
      - Esther
        
        Just telling them to not practice sharia though is not going to work. What do you suggest?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Electing people to political office that will not allow Sharia law to take place in the USA.
      - Esther
        
        Where do I sign up? Will Ron Paul do it? What is his plan to diminish the effects and do you agree? Whenever he is on TV they muzzle him!! Why? Will Mitt & Ryan be effective?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I would hope they are more effective than the current Islamic placaters are.
      - Esther
        
        The first sign that something is amiss is when it is NOT WRITTEN down but the tenets of whatever it is has barbarous consequences. This is why in this country we should bar them COMPLETELY from entering our borders. The prefer the use of their "more worthy compassions" they say and not our "mere laws." I have seen this time and time again even here on zionica. They intend to get us that way, that is the way they have gotten us… oh poor things, but look what they do to people who make normal mistakes… see the post by Jeff Dixon above… just another minor case of destroying lives using their "more worthy compassion" instead of what they consider the U. S. Constitution which they believe are "mere laws."
        
        No, they should not be allowed to define us, which is what they are up to, in a "stealth jihad" way (there is a book by that name google it.)
        
        The way it goes here in America is this: We require
        
        MORE WORTHY LAW (THE U. S. CONSTITUTION) & MERE COMPASSION.
        
        See the difference, daves?
        
        At the border they should be asked which do they affirm absolutely, in effect, renouncing Islam. Psychologists know how to make up a little test to see if they are lying. The logical consequence then will follow to accept or deny them entry.
      - Esther
        
        daves, I recommend you read Stealth Jihad by Robert Spencer. I do not believe we can afford to believe that suddenly after centuries, that the leopard has changed its spots or that the scorpion would not act like a scorpion.
      - Esther
        
        The tactic is called "Confusion to the Enemy" and they know fully how to use it.
      - Wise woman
        
        The Ten Commandments ARE the basis for our Constitution. They are the Ten Commandments not the Ten Suggestions.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I hear this comment often, “The Ten Commandments are the basis for the Constitution.
        
        Is that right? Lets take a look at the first Ten Amendments.
        
        I. Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition – Freedom of Religion is actually the opposite of what the Ten Commandments requires. The other aspects of the First Amendment have nothing to do with the Commandments.
        2. Right to keep and bear arms – Has nothing to do with the Commandments
        3. Conditions for quarters of soldiers – Nothing to do with the Commandments
        4. Right of search and seizure regulated – Nothing to do with the Commandments
        5. Provisions concerning prosecution – Nothing to do with the Commandments
        6. Right to a speedy trial, witnesses, etc. – A slight connection with bearing false witness, otherwide, nothing to do with the Commandments.
        7. Right to a trial by jury – Nothing to do with the Commandments
        8. Excessive bail, cruel punishment – Nothing to do with the Commandments
        9. Rule of construction of Constitution – Absolutely nothing to do with the Commandments
        10. Rights of the States under Constitution – Nothing to do with the Commandments.
        
        Other than the coincidence that there were initially Ten Amendments and there are Ten Commandments, there is only one slight resemblance between the two documents, which has to do with bearing false witness. The Freedom of Religion is actually the exact opposite of what the Commandments require. Are the Ten Commandments’ the structure of our Constitution? Complete nonsense.
      - cyndlou
        
        If you pay any attention to factual history – our Constitution may not be the Ten Commandments re-written, but they were however, the laws guiding our founding fathers – convicting their hearts to elaborate the laws of the land based on the persecution under King James dictatorship.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        It is because I do pay attention to history that I know your comment is wrong.
        
        … Jefferson, who as a careful historian had made a study of the origin of the maxim [that the common law is inextricably linked with Christianity], challenged such an assertion. He noted that "the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced or that such a character existed …. What a conspiracy this, between Church and State." (Leo Pfeffer, Religion, State, and the Burger Court, Buffalo, New York: Prometheus Books, 1984, p. 121.)
        
        Jefferson wrote voluminously to prove that Christianity was not part of the law of the land and that religion or irreligion was purely a private matter, not cognizable by the state. (Leonard W. Levy, Treason Against God: A History of the Offense of Blasphemy, New York: Schocken Books, 1981, p. 335.)
      - cyndlou
        
        I'm sorry, I did not realize that Jefferson was the sole author of our Constitution – I guess it all depends on who's history you choose to believe – I'll stick with David Barton – since he owns actual documentation from the men themselves.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        And I will stick with the actual Founders instead of someone who merely misquotes the Founders.
      - KentPerry
        
        There Jeffersons actual quotes moron, in his own handwriting you idiot
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I quoted him. Show me that I did not quote him or stick it.
      - Esther
        
        here is the quote, Kent. Jefferson is one of the more literate founders don't you agree? What did he say that you are talking about?
      - Esther
        
        Kent Perry: Why do you respond with such nonsense? I really do not understand why you refuse to stop badgering. It is unbecoming an officer. Are you still considered an officer?
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Operating word is BASIS. Our a zillion laws are obviously not 10. But are based on at least the commandments relate to human relations. Keeping the Sabbath (not working on Sundays) was observed more strictly while our country still ha sense.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I have no idea what you are trying to say.
      - Esther
        
        In a word, Mex, Jeff is saying: We need U. S. Constitutional LAW and not religious compassion.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Ok, let us work on the idea of operating basis. Our country allows people of all faiths. On what operating basis can a country that allows all faiths , prohibit working on one day that is exclusive to one faith? Especially, since that one faith cannot even agree on what day the Sabbath should be observed?
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I don't advocate for the government to enforce any particular (Saturday or Sunday) as a day of rest. I do support laws to provide for a person to choose which day to have as rest and that no one would be forced to work 7 days in a row.
        I do advocate that no laws go against the teachings of Scripture as is the case of abortion, where the killing of a human being is covered under a Privacy right. I would make any display of nudity, sexuality, and pornography for entertainment purposes illegal. I would make infidelity and sex out of marriage illegal under civil law. I would raise the penalties for rape and include restitution to the victim and relatives, and would bring sexual abuse of a minor up to life sentence perhaps even death penalty.
        In our society, pornography has created an immense rate of suffering, immorality, and decay. Abortion, illnesses, murder, are in high number the results of over-sexed up society.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The penalties for rape and child abuse should be strengthened But it is absurd to state that the government should be enforcing laws against infidelity and sex outside of marriage. If you want fewer abortions, you should be in favor of comprehensive sex education. And there is no evidence between pornography and rape. You are one scary guy.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Jeffrey Dahmer stands as a sobering testimony of the effects and dangers of pornography. Rape may be one of our least concerns. Pornography is highly addictive and progressively alters a person's sexuality. Child porn is just one step on the road to total breakdown.
        You keep playing the harp on sex education. Well, haven't we tried all that yet? Yet, none of it has slowed down abortions or STDs.
        I think sodomy was illegal until recently. Legalization of immoral behavior legitimizes, encourages, and increases it. Fornication and infidelity which contributes to abortion, STDs, and other social problems, increases and it's glorified by the media. It's a slow death of our society.
        I may be over zealous, but your lack of concern is contributory to our numbness and just as scary.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, that is not accurate.
        
        It was not until the age of six, after undergoing hernia surgery, that his personality began to change from a jubilant social child to a loner who was uncommunicative and withdrawn. His facial expressions transformed from childhood smiles to a motionless blank stare, a look which remained with him throughout his life.
        
        Pre-Teen YearsIn 1966, the Dahmers moved to Bath, Ohio. Dahmer's insecurities grew after the move and his shyness kept him from having many friends. While his peers were busy listening to the latest songs, Dahmer was busy collecting road kill and stripping the animal carcasses and saving the bones.
        
        Other idle time was spent alone, buried deep inside his fantasies. His nonconfrontational attitude with his parents was considered an attribute yet in reality it was his apathy towards the real world that made him appear obedient.
        
        Disturbing High School YearsDahmer continued being a loner during his years at Revere High School. He had average grades, worked on the school newspaper and developed a bad drinking problem. His parents, possibly distracted from their own struggles, divorced when Jeff was almost 18. He remained living with his father who traveled a lot and was busy nurturing a relationship with his new wife.
        
        After high school Dahmer enrolled at the Ohio State University and spent most of his time skipping classes and getting drunk. After two semesters he dropped out and returned home. His father issued him an ultimatum – get a job or join the Army. In 1979 he enlisted for six years into the Army, but his drinking continued and in 1981, after serving only two years, he was discharged because of his drunken behavior.
        
        Unknown to anyone, Jeffery Dahmer was mentally disintergrating. In June of 1988, he was struggling with his own homosexual desires, mixed with his need to act out his sadistic fantasies. Perhaps this struggle is what pushed him to pick up a hitchhiker, 19-year-old Steven Hicks. He invited Hicks to his father's home and the two drank and engaged in sex, but when Hicks was ready to leave Dahmer bashed him in the head with a barbell and killed him.
        
        He then cut up the body, placing the parts in garbage bags, which he buried in the woods surrounding his father's property. Years later he returned and dug up the bags and crushed the bones and disbursed the remains around the woods. As insane as he had become, he had not lost site of the need to cover his murderous tracks. Later his explanation for killing Hicks was simply, he didn't want him to leave.
        
        http://crime.about.com/od/serial/a/dahmer.htm
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Ted Bundy, Gary Bishop, and Jeffrey Dahmer were all influenced by pornography by their own admission, regardless of whatever psycho-second guessing. You can find whatever analysis to suit your taste and justify your sick bends, but the reality is the reality. Our society is getting sicker and sicker thanks to people like you.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Where do serial killers come from?
        The FBI gave the standard profile of a serial killer, He is a person with few friends. He became much more religious just before he started murdering people. After reading all the available studies I could find and studying all the articles in the newspapers, what I find what most outstanding is that serial killers were sexually inhibited by their strong religious upbringing.
        
        Nearly all serial killers are very devout men who were raised by members of Pentecostal sects, fundamentalist Catholics or were 'hard-shell' Baptists and Methodists."
        
        Study after study show serial killers are a product of this environment, not genetics.
        
        You can find much information on serial killers being sexually inhibited and their views on sex and religion at.
        
        http://www.crimelibrary.com/serials/what/whatlust.htm
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I personally have come in contact with a couple of cases where men use religion to erase any suspicion of pornography addiction and deviancy. They marry and have children and live double lives. They excel becoming worship leaders, Bible teachers, etc. only to conceal their true lives. I certainly don't believe these addictions and sexual deviations are genetically related. I do believe are related to the environment of sexual exposure and permissiveness.
        
        The Bible teaches that men who dedicate their lives to the gospel should remain single to avoid being distracted, but that they should marry to avoid temptation. Only the Catholic Church demands their priest not to marry. That started with corrupt financial reasons. Catholic priests are the ones with the most sexual repression.
        
        Perhaps your definition of sexual repression is for a man of God not to have access to prostitution, married women, or little boys. Perhaps your convinced that pornography is an acceptable prevention method. Or perhaps you're justifying your pastime to yourself.
        
        Incidentally, the Bible prophesies that men will call good evil and evil good. You fulfill prophesy in more than one way.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I have personally come into contact where people use religion to abuse children and avoid being prosecuted. I have personally come into contact where people use religion to pretend to be friends of the family but actually end up having sex with someone in the family.
        
        What is your point? People have used the cover of religion to cover up many issues.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        The point is that a sexed up society is a sick society and pornography is not a medicine as you suggest, but an aggravating agent. It is very impressive how you manage to convince yourself that it is the pursuit of virtue what cause a man to rape rather than the promotion of rape through pornography and the media in general.
        Then, you are correct that people use religion to cover up many problems, but it is not the Bible which causes the problem. I actually know people who have dealt with homosexuality and addiction to pornography, alcohol, etc., through faith and understanding the Bible.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The point is sexuality is not the smoking gun you desire it to be. You attempt to promote a view that anything other than the Muslim worldview is the way life should be, but no one except the fanatic is accepting that idea.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Pornography is addictive and it is a world industry and very strong in America. I've received unsolicited pix of female organs from Twitter subscribers. I've blocked about 5 accounts. They try to hook people by exposure. There's all kinds of shades of porn from soft to hard-core and perhaps even worse.
        Women and children trafficking is a reality in America. The young couple that blew open the ACORN network of imbeciles, showed an attitude where people were willing to cooperate and look the other way from possible child prostitution of illegally trafficked young girls. Americans travel overseas for all kinds of sick activities. Cuba, Thailand, Philippines, wherever.
        Muslims are as hypocritical to sin as they come. A friend of mine worked in Saudi Arabia and left it because he was sought by a prince to be part of his sex pool. My friend is male and was told by another guy he could get jailed or worse if the prince really wanted him and he refused. They can only marry 4 women at a time, but they can divorce with a single verbal sentence and get another one of a very, very young age.
        You're like those ACORN people that turn your eye the other way to this world's sickness. Morality is of God. Perhaps as an Atheist you must be amoral, but the effect of not being part of the solution makes you part of the problem of immorality and decay of society.
        William Wilberforce had a fanatical obsession with the liberation of slaves in England. Fanaticism can be bad, but it can also be good.
        Blogging here may be one of your daily pastimes, but one could say you're a little bit fanatical at arguing against faith and morality.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Yes, the Muslims are a violent and dangerous group. However, Christians have also done similar things in the past. The age of consent, for example, has changed dramactically over the years.
        
        Traditionally, across the globe, the age of consent for a sexual union was a matter for the family to decide, or a tribal custom. In most cases, this coincided with signs of puberty, menstruation for a woman and pubic hair for a man.[2]
        
        Hesiod in "Works and Days" (circa 700BC) suggests that a man should marry around the age of thirty, and that he should take a wife who is five years past puberty. In Ancient Rome, it was very common for girls to marry and have children shortly after the onset of puberty.[citation needed]
        
        The first recorded age-of-consent law dates back 800 years: In 1275, in England, as part of the rape law, a statute, Westminster 1, made it a misdemeanor to "ravish" a "maiden within age," whether with or without her consent. The phrase "within age" was interpreted by jurist Sir Edward Coke as meaning the age of marriage, which at the time was 12 years of age.[3]
        
        In the 12th century Gratian, the influential founder of Canon law in medieval Europe, accepted age of puberty for marriage to be between 12 and 14 but acknowledged consent to be meaningful if the children were older than 7. There were authorities that said that consent could take place earlier. Marriage would then be valid as long as neither of the two parties annulled the marital agreement before reaching puberty, or if they had already consummated the marriage. It should be noted that Judges honored marriages based on mutual consent at ages younger than 7, in spite of what Gratian had said; there are recorded marriages of 2 and 3 year olds.[2]
        
        The American colonies followed the English tradition, and the law was more of a guide. For example, Mary Hathaway (Virginia, 1689) was only 9 when she was married to William Williams. Sir Edward Coke (England, 17th century) "made it clear that the marriage of girls under 12 was normal, and the age at which a girl who was a wife was eligible for a dower from her husband's estate was 9 even though her husband be only four years old."[2]
        
        Reliable data for when people would actually marry is very difficult to find. In England for example, the only reliable data on age at marriage in the early modern period comes from records involving only those who left property after their death. Not only were the records relatively rare, but not all bothered to record the participants' ages, and it seemed that the more complete the records are, the more likely they are to reveal young marriages. Additionally, 20th and 21st centuries' historians have sometimes shown reluctance to accept data regarding young ages of marriage, and would instead explain the data away as a misreading by a later copier of the records.[2]
        
        A small number of Italian and German states introduced an age of consent in the 16th century, setting it at 12 years. Towards the end of the 18th century, other European countries also began to enact age of consent laws. The first French Constitution established an age of consent of 11 years in 1791, which was raised to 13 in 1863. Portugal, Spain, Denmark and the Swiss cantons, initially set the age of consent at 10–12 years and then raised it to between 13 and 16 years in the second half of the 19th century.[3] Historically, the English common law set the age of consent to range from 10 to 12.[4]
        
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        And there are many cases of people who claimed to be cured of homosexuality due to Jesus yet continued to engage in homosexual activity. So, was Jesus ineffective?
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Many have overcome many vices and addictions through faith in Christ. The Bible says "the mind is deceitful more than anything else." Obviously, God created the heavens and the earth, but He chooses not to use any power over the mind. He wants a relationship of love and trust, not a mental enslavement.
        You choose. I told you He loves you. You make your choice.
        
        I'll answer your objection of having only one choice or die. Reality: You are still His creation and are now apart from Him in your mind as you hate Him. God will not contend with men forever. He will destroy this system, but He sent Jesus to reconcile with us before the destruction. Those who enter the reconciliation will be saved.
        Our path to death is set already, but you are given an out to salvation. Believing in the existence of God it's not even the beginning as other entities in His own realm know Him, but still oppose Him.
        You choice.
      - KentPerry
        
        Well we thought you were going to cure yourself of stupidity Jeff but you continue to post stupid answers, does that mean public school was ineffective?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Take your meds, Kent. You are babbling more than normal right now.
      - KentPerry
        
        Hey Jeff, you see a child molester, you call the Police ok Hero. The trouble with all the Catholic Pedophile Priests has nothing to do with religion but but everything to do with queers posing as Priests to have access to little boys. A Favorite among queers is very young little boys and why so many queers are pederasts . Queers should be given Capital Punishment for that .
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The church covered up problems for decades. There are also many examples of Protestant preachers molesting children. It is hardly just a Catholic issue.
      - Esther
        
        You are on the right track here to say men use religion to cover up crime. Also, this includes the men who are higher-ups in the clergy of your Roman Catholic church, the wrongs of which we will never fully know, but Martin Luther saw it when he went to Rome all those many years ago… but even he did not fully expose what he saw in the 95 theses… he wanted to REFORM the church, not destroy it. Get the lessons on Martin Luther from Ligonier Ministries called Luther and the Reformation by R. C. Sproul. The Catholic church is very well known for its covering up of criminal behavior to protect itself.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Ohhh, You think I follow the Roman Catholic religion! Well, I grew up on it, but I left it when I was 28 years old. I've attended various denominational Christian churches through the years. I attended Independent Baptist churches for about 14 years and then discovered a non-denominational church I love very much and my whole family attends there. The pastor teaches the Bible verse by verse. He teaches 2 different books simultaneously, one on Sundays and another on Wednesday nights. We worship with contemporary Christian music.
        Whenever I read Rev 17, I can't avoid thinking about the Catholic Church. Her history of corruption, the martyrdom of thousands of Christians for their faith, her fornications with the governments of the world, and the detail that the City of Rome is known as the City of The Seven Hills is just too much to dismiss a coincidence.
        I've never recommended you to convert to any religion. When we share the gospel we're not recruiting people for any church. Our main concern is the salvation of souls. Secondary, but just as important is obedience to His instruction.
        What I say about LDS is not for the sake of debating or winning an argument.
        The Bible says if you do not have Jesus, you are judged already. But you must have the right Jesus. Not the Catholic Jesus, not the Muslim prophet Jesus, not the LDS Jesus, but the Jesus of the Bible. He was not out of physical intercourse between 2 beings, but the Holy Spirit taking over a young virgin woman. That's why Jesus was both human and God. That's why only He is able to save us.
      - Esther
        
        Well this is great. I thought you were incurably Catholic, with all the different references to it's history, I was reeeeeeeaaaly worried. But I am still worried that you think of Jeff as anyone but a good man. Also, you really need to know the history of the LDS before you make the kinds of judgements you do against them. LOL, Mex, you belong to a non-denominational church that teaches and follows Christ!!! Really that is no difference from LDS… we do not follow any of the traditional Protestant branches either. It's just that the LDS church grew and grew… that could happen to your little non-denominational church as well!!! So please consider that.
        
        Regarding, Jeff though, he is also protected under our constitution .. Jeff does not believe in God, but he is a humanist. Look it up. http://thehumanist.org/ and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism accessed 110312
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Esther, there's a huge difference between a Christian non-denominational church and LDS. Like I said, we study the Bible verse by verse. Even if I became an expert in LDS, just 2 facts are enough for me to decide to stay clear away from it: that Mormon teacher that Jesus was conceived between some God and a woman and that polygamy is a sacrament (or something along those lines). In addition to that, false prophesies are frowned upon by the real God. So, it's an easy case made.
        Our little non-denominational church was founded in around 1965 and it has several sister churches in each state of the union. We also support missionaries abroad, including the Middle-East, Europe, Africa, Nepal, Cuba, etc. My local church has 3 services (meetings) on Sunday and 1 on Saturday. We seat 300-600 people on each service on Sunday. We run a state certified school, Pre-kinder to High School and a radio station.
        Jeff is as confused as you are deceived. Secular Humanism engulfs Atheists, Agnostics, and, Humanists. It's all the same difference when it comes to salvation.
      - Esther
        
        Not really Mex. The information you have is WRONG, actually a JOKE. I could make up stories about your religion too. It is preposterous. Because the misinformation is so rampant, the church has deveoped the mormon.org to address these questions. Want the truth? Go to mormon.org and submit a question and they will get back to you on the church official position. We have over 60,000 missionaries in the field testifying of Christ in the correct way. We are NOT based in Catholicism!!! Thank God!!! So that makes you confused as in the state of being a false witness. This could have serious consequences for you if you hold the ten commandments as true. It is also a consideration in terms of salvation. QED
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Yes really, Esther. The fact that there are 6,000 active agents of deception in the world is really no joke. It's actually, terrible.
        One of the main fundamentals of Christianity is belief in the virgin birth of the Savior. Statements from the LDS church leaders show that they have a different view of Christ. Bruce McConkie, a Mormon Apostle, teaches in his book, Mormon Doctrine, "Christ was begotten by an immortal father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers." (p. 547) Joseph Fielding Smith, tenth President and Prophet of the Mormon Church claimed, "Christ not begotten of Holy Ghost…He was not born without the aid of Man and that Man was God!" (Doctrines of Salvation, 1:18). By worshipping such a being the Mormons fall under the condemnation of Romans one by changing "the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man" (1:23).
        The Jesus of Mormonism was also a polygamist. Mormon Apostle, Orson Pratt states on page 172 of his book, The Seer, "it will be seen that the great Messiah, who was the founder of the Christian religion, was a polygamist." Orson Hyde, also a Mormon Apostle, taught "It will be born in mind that once on a time, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee…no less person than Jesus Christ was married on that occasion." (Journal of Discourses 4:259).
        On and on and on!!!
      - Esther
        
        I am going to have to tell you a few things I know for absolutely sure: Here you go Mex.
        
        The Articles of Faith
        of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
        
        1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
        
        2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
        
        3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
        
        4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
        
        5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
        
        6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
        
        7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
        
        8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
        
        9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
        
        10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
        
        11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
        
        12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
        
        13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Are you telling me you're not absolutely sure of what I shared from (Bruce McConkie) one of your own apostles?
        Please address the LDS doctrine of the person and conception of Jesus and his polygamy. The deity of Jesus and of God are critical to our relationship with Him. In the Bible, neither Jesus or God have ever been plain humans. Jesus only took on a human body f His ministry of redemption.
        The conditional acceptance of the Bible based on "correct translation" is just a device to reject its truths and replace them with false teachings. It must've been popular in the days of Joe Smith, because Jim Russell did the same thing to create the JWs.
        I admit the Christian Church could use a revival, but the deception of needing "restoration" by changing the Holy Scriptures to distort the truth of Jesus' person and deity. This just comes right out if Satan playbook.
      - Esther
        
        The Christian church could use far more than a revival. But they have been doing that since the Reformation, haven't they?. I have told you before where to seek official church scripture for non-members: mormon.org. I have repeated or implied several times, we do not distort, we clarify the life of Jesus. I have been patient with your insults. Ask your questions at the source, you never believe what I say and I really am losing my patience. Thank you for your concerns and I hope you are able to critique your own faith as thoroughly as you have done mine.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Esther; what I shared from your own "apostle" Bruce McConkie is a massive distortion of Biblical Jesus. You can say what you will about Christianity, but saying that The Lord Jesus is a polygamist is beyond distortion, is blasphemy and a total lie. Joe Smith said that Jesus was conceived by physical intercourse. The Muslim said that God cannot beget anything. Both these statements are Satan's lies. Thus, Mormon is in the same boat as Islam and JW's. The Bible does not need any clarification from liars and deceives.
        Mormon may review it's doctrinal abominations, but the Biblical theologies will remain forever. Amen.
      - Esther
        
        The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has no paid ministry. Is you minister paid? Christ's little group was never paid. I don't recall that to be biblical at all. And that is just the beginning. Men are not perfect. If they are they would be Gods. Are you saying your minister is a God? Right there is reason enough to diminish your sect below that of the Saints in Salt Lake City. See mormon.org and ask the question. Be honest always.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        You are still dodging the LDS apostate doctrines about Christ and are trying to distract with the nonsense about ministerial pay.
        I haven't said anything on the subject, nor will I enter this conversation until you acknowledge the abomination of your cult in distorting the Holy Word of God. There are even more distortion about the person of Jesus, but we'll stick with these for now.
        LDS believes that Jesus was conceived by physical intercourse and that he is a polygamist. Yes or No?
      - Esther
        
        First, is your minister paid?
      - KentPerry
        
        Atheists are your most notorious serial killers. Undeniable fact.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Completely wrong as the link to FBI information shows.
      - Esther
        
        Is Mex Seiko actually claiming that you are making our society sicker and sicker?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Yep, I am the problem according to him. And by Kent as well.
      - Esther
        
        I hope you read my conversation with Mex. In my humble opinion, his thinking needs adjustment, being inextricably connected to the Catholic church. My prognosis of Mex Seiko: incurable.
        
        As for Kent: He doesn't care what Calvin thinks so I think when it comes to you he just likes a good fight with someone like you and you are accommodating. Kent's military, you know.
        
        BTW, you know Mex is Catholic, and both Kent and I were raised Catholic. What have you gotten yourself into, Mr. Dixon? Of course, I don't think of you as being the problem at all. :)
      - Esther
        
        lol. "The pot calling the kettle black" comes to mind, Mex Seiko. You support the Italian mafia.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        How did you reach that conclusion?
      - Esther
        
        LO. Read the posts I have sent you over these last few days. You seem to be ignoring my opinions of your religion.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        You made the silly assertion somewhere on here that people in the Mafia are also influenced by Christianity.
      - Esther
        
        Here is what Mex Seiko said… implying an equivalence of the mafia to the LDS… it has been deleted from zionica:
        
        Mex Seiko replied to you
        
        Esther, the Roman Catholic Church may be corrupt and apostate, but it originated from Christianity. Even the mafia and the LDS, corrupt as they may be as well, got some set of their ethics and moral code from Christianity. So, as the Church pretty much controlled the whole of Europe, it permeated life and it influenced all aspects of life and society, including law.
        Jefferson had his opinion, albeit educated, yet opinion (based on someone else's) nonetheless. Even his speech (modes of speech, etc.) were shaped by the Christian environment in which he grew up. Atheists salivate at the opportunity to deny the Christian faith of the forefathers and compromise a little by saying they were "Theists," even though many of them attended seminar. In those days it was common to learn to read using the Bible. But Christianity influenced thought in the majority of the people of those days.
        So, there you go. The British may have inherited a Barbarian legal code, but it was refined through the years by Christians. Same in the case of USA. Christians wrote the American founding documents acknowledging the Creator. Etc., etc., etc.
        
        2 days ago
        
        Obama's Family Funding Sharia
        END QUOTE
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        You can find many issues that impact serial killers. One of the most dominant is that they were raised in Christian households.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? 19 It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it. (Luke 13:18-19)
        Mustard should grow like a bush, not a tree. Fowl of the air represent evil. Jesus also compares the church with a meal that grows with leaven (v20). These comparisons mean that Christianity grows big and it's infiltrated by evil (fowl of the air) and sin (leaven). The Bible does not show perfect men in neither of the 2 testaments. Hebrews 11 shows men who were imperfect but that trusted God.
        We could look at Christianity as Catholicism, JW's, Mormon, Mafia, whatever you want to throw in there. The problem is that no religion saves the soul. Only the truth of the Bible in the gospel.
        Matt 7:23 shows Jesus denying entrance to religious people, because they rely on their religious achievements and deeds, not on a relationship with Him as He tells them, "I never knew you."
        Likewise, Isaiah 1 shows God's mind about rituals which were meant to bring consciousness about sin, but became permissiveness to sin.
        If you can understand this, perhaps my silliness would make a little more sense. Christianity or the teachings of the Bible are not evil. We are. Serial killer are not so because of the Bible, but because evil exists in the world an because we refuse to expose ourselves to evil.
        I don't push " Christianity." I do assert you must know Jesus as your savior in order to escape the fate of the world and be part of the new heaven and the new earth.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        It is not that the mustard seed should grow like a bush, it grows like a weed. Which shows that the verse in the bible is completely wrong. (what a surprise). The mustard seed grows rapidly, and was introduced to North America by the Spanish, who (it is said) sowed it along their trails so that the seed would spring up (full height 1' – 2') and leave a golden trail of it's four lobed flowers for them to follow in their return. The mustard seed is an annual herb, which grows like a weed. The mustard seed does NOT grow into a tree.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        As always since you have a contrary mind you miss the point. You ran to google to find error where there's none.
        Th Bible presumes you know that the mustard seed should grow (as a weed) and that gives you a proportional idea of how the Church grows, as a tree instead of as a weed or bush. It was even followed up by the comparison with leaven.
        It means that inside of this big tree somewhere there's mustard. Or inside of a lump of leavened bread, here's wheat.
        Inside of that Christian thing you ate so much, there's good stuff at least in God's eyes. Comprende, hombre?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The issue is not whether I have a contrary mind. The issue is whether the bible is accurate or not. The bible says the mustard seed grows as a tree. It is wrong. Period. The mustard seed does not grow into a tree or like a tree. It takes someone willing to be an apologetic(such as yourself) to try and find a reason why the bible is not completely idiotic.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I know you're uncommonly intelligent. So you must be pretending to be incapable of comprehending simple sorts of speech. But therein lies your intellectual dishonesty rendering our conversation an exercise in futility.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, wrong. It does not matter one bit if I am capable of understanding simple speech. On what basis do you assume the bible is using simple speech? On what basis do you assume the bible is using anything except factual information?
        
        Once you start with the statement that the bible is not using facts, you have completely given up.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I can't believe you're being sincere in your questioning. You know Jesus spoke in parables. This verses are introduced as a parable. It is known as the parable of the mustard seed. It is followed by another parable of leavened bread. Jesus is not teaching about mustard seed but using it to show how the Church should be but it is not. Other pieces of Scripture use mustard seed to illustrate smallness.
        So what is it, Jeff? Are you playing a game here? Or should I retract my comment on your intellect?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        If you are agreeable that the bible does not use facts, I am perfectly willing to concede the point to you.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I really can't care less for your perfectly conceding anything let alone at the cost of mi agreeing to something I sincerely do not believe. Only politicians and (as I just learned) Atheists can make deals with their believes.
        Somehow, I can't see perfection in your concession when it's conditional to my compromise.
        Sorry, but no deal.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Then you are of the opinion that everything in the bible is factual? Such as mustard seeds growing into trees?
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Are you kidding? We're past that, Jeff. Give it up. And if you think we're going item by item down Skeptics Annotated Bible you're crazy. Just go to the Skeptics Annotated Bible Answer website yourself and have at it. I'm not playing that game.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        You cannot have it both ways. Either you consider the bible factual or not. Which one is it?
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I don't play knowing already that you will willingly disregard parables, similes, metaphors, etc. when reading the Bible and bring stupid issues, just like you did with the mustard.
        You already proved it with the attempt to trick me into a stupid compromise and backed out when I didn't bite.
        I will not be sucked into a Atheist game that goes nowhere.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        There is no game being played on my part. It is a matter of being consistent with a position. You either believe the bible to be factual or you do not. The only one playing word games is you. You refuse to make a choice because you realize that you have worked yourself into a corner.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Please, lecture me about consistency. When you even try to negotiate away your opinion, it sounds like a game to me. I refuse to enter your stupid game. I will not debate the Holy Word of God the Creator of Heaven and Earth. I refuse to dignify the nonsense you tried to pull with the parable of the mustard seed. I really believe you're a very intelligent person, which leads me to conclude that your reading of the mustard seed parable is insincere and a vicious purposeful attack on the Bible.
        So, forget about it, it ain't gonna happen.
      - Esther
        
        I like this story.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        That does not mean it is true.
      - Esther
        
        True, Jeff, but my point is I enjoyed your telling of the use of them by the explorers. I should say, I like Jeff's story of the explorers. :)
      - KentPerry
        
        Jeffery Dahmers first problem, HE WAS A QUEER
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, his first problem is that he was mentally unbalanced, which had nothing to do with his being gay.
      - KentPerry
        
        Doesn't really matter what day, the Judahites were to observe the sabbath. There are disagreements in all areas of academia, science, religion etc,. it isn't a problem for most Jeff.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Of course it is not a problem for most. As with much of the bible or other religious texts, they simply ignore the parts that they do not want to deal with.
      - Esther
        
        Congratulations Mr Dixon
      - KentPerry
        
        Yeah?? So?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Ignoring the problems in the bible does not eliminate the problem.
      - Esther
        
        The Saints have been honest about this from the beginning, Jeff. It is even one of our Articles of Faith: # 8 We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly … I believe this is the best man can do given what you say is true.
      - KentPerry
        
        Yeah and I hear you get it wrong every time you answer it REGARDLESS of how it is corrected. http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/noahide.html
        
        Now Guees what undergirds all our laws Hoss. Thats right the Noahide laws
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Please elaborate on these Noahide laws that undergird all our laws, hoss.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        The Seven Noahide Laws
        
        1.Idolatry is forbidden.
        
        Except idolatry is not forbidden by our laws.
        
        2. Incestuous and adulterous relations are forbidden.
        
        Incest is forbidden, because it increases the chances of deformed children, not because it is a sin. Adulterous relationships are not against the law.
        
        3. Murder is forbidden.
        
        Yep, murder is against the law. Which almost all societies have determined to be a good idea regardless of whether they ever heard of Noah or not.
        
        4. Cursing the name of G-d is forbidden.
        
        Cursing the name of god is not against the law.
        
        5.Theft is forbidden.
        
        Yep, and once again, it has been determined to be a bad idea by almost all societies regardless of whether they ever heard of Noah or not.
        
        6. Eating the flesh of a living animal is forbidden.
        
        That is not against the law.
        
        7. Mankind is commanded to establish courts of justice and a just social order to enforce the first six laws and enact any other useful laws or customs.
        
        We do establish courts but not to enforce the first six laws. As I already pointed out, 4 of the first 6 laws are not laws in this country. The other two were ideas that other societies also determined to be good ideas. Our laws are not based on the Noahide laws.
      - cyndlou
        
        If the Ten Commandments should never be the basis for law than what – man's law? yeah, have fun with that one – Obama is trying that along with the Supreme Court Justice – again, we are one nation under God.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        All laws we follow were written my men. The ones in the bible are no different. But if you really think we should follow them because they are in the bible, when is the last time you stoned someone for working on the Sabbath?
      - cyndlou
        
        that ended in the New Testament – are you not aware of the New Covenant – you know – the Ultimate sacrifice when Christ forgave of us our sins – when Christ walked the face of the earth, He put an end to stonings by asking who amoungst you are sinless and can throw the first stone. If you're going to TRY to quote the Scriptures, know what you're talking about. Why would you want to argue the issues of the Bible or it's influence in our founding fathers establishing this nation. It's people like you that choose to ignore it's Godly foundation that are creating it's demise. I suppose you think America should turn Her back on Israel too?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Israel is a democracy and our strongest ally in the Mid-East. of course we should stand by her. We should stand by all countries that embrace freedom. But not because of silly ancient tribal myths.
      - Esther
        
        We live in a U. S. Constitutional Republic, our Law is supreme … Not the Islamic propensity to stone and beat people at will… that is a silly "ancient tribal TRUTH" happening now as we speak, and it wants to come HERE.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        So, the eternal and never changing laws of god are not eternal and have been changed. Right, got it, clear as mud.
      - Esther
        
        Jeff is talking about the Islamic people coming to America. We are 300,000,000 … They are many more. They hate us. When they become the majority, our head will roll or we will be stoned for simple things like driving a car and being accused of ridiculous things as in Jeff' posts above here at the start of this conversation…. we can just say bye bye to western civilization. You know, that is where you live and worship as you like right now.
        
        Here it is read it and know that this is COMING TO THE HOUSE NEAREST YOU:
        
        Jeff Dixon • a day ago • parent
        I am not talking about how they dress.
        On October 30, 2008, the United Nations condemned the stoning to death of
        Aisha Duhulowa, a 13-year-old girl who had been gang-raped and then sentenced to
        death by a Sharia court for fornication (Zina). She was screaming and begging
        for mercy, but when some family members attempted to intervene, shots were fired
        by the Islamic militia and a baby was killed.
        
        Local Sharia courts in Bangladesh regularly punish raped minor girls and
        women by flogging and beating them with shoes.[1] Similar cases of punishing
        raped women are Mina v. the State, Bibi v. the State and Bahadur v. the
        State.[2] Sharia courts in Pakistan have punished thousands of raped women by
        long term imprisonment.[3]
        
        You might think that such horrific barbarity cannot be
        the real Sharia law; that it is a misapplication of the law by ignorant clergy.
        Sadly, neither is true.
        
        http://www.aina.org/news/20081… END OF JEFF'S POST
      - cyndlou
        
        you take too many things out of context – I was not ignoring the fact that Islam does this – Jeff asked me if I thought we should do these things because it's what occured in the Old Testement – so to believe the Bible that meant I believed such behavior to be acceptable – I said no I did not because the New Covenant of Christ takinig on our sins on the Cross ended these actions – the fact that muslims continue this behavior just proves that they worship a false god.
      - Esther
        
        You said: If the Ten Commandments should never be the basis for law than what – man's law? This sounds like you are for the action cyndlou, because it is in the Ten Commandments!
        
        Then Jeff asked you: But if you really think we should follow them because they are in the bible, when is the last time you stoned someone for working on the Sabbath?
        
        Here is what you said: "that ended in the New Testament – are you not aware of the New Covenant – you know – the Ultimate sacrifice when Christ forgave of us our sins – when Christ walked the face of the earth, He put an end to stonings by asking who amoungst you are sinless and can throw the first stone. If you're going to TRY to quote the Scriptures, know what you're talking about. Why would you want to argue the issues of the Bible or it's influence in our founding fathers establishing this nation. It's people like you that choose to ignore it's Godly foundation that are creating it's demise. I suppose you think America should turn Her back on Israel too?"
        
        end your quote
        
        You could have said you first statement was in error.
        But since you did not address his question, I just thought you did not understand so I posted the original story again.
      - cyndlou
        
        you really need to stop spinning and stop supporting an athiest especially if you are teaching sunday school – i am very clear in my statements – stop spinning – i did not make an error in my statement and I did address his question – at least any that made the slightest sense – Jeff has got some series issues – shame on you for supporting such rhetoric
      - Esther
        
        I am just trying to clarify. It was your conversation with Jeff that we are permitted to read because all comments are public.
      - Esther
        
        First you said we needed the ten commandments, re-read what you said.
        Jeff then asked you if so, when have you stoned someone for working on Sunday.
        Next you quote the law is no longer in effect.
        
        I do not take too many things out of context. You contradicted yourself so I re-posted the original to try to help you see the original question Jeff asked you.
      - cyndlou
        
        ok – Jesus dying on the Cross fulfilled the law and when we receive Jesus Christ into our hearts, the law through Jesus Christ fills our hearts – Gods law not mans – it is God's law for us to set aside the Sabath day and keep it holy – no where did God say to stone someone for not doing this – that was mans law – I in no way condricted myself -
      - Esther
        
        All what you said is true. You need to take a step further to answer his question and address the issue of the stonings now and how you think we can strengthen our country.
      - cyndlou
        
        there is only one way to strengthen any country in a Godly way – II Chronicles 7:14 – If my people, among whom my Name is called upon, do humble themselves, and pray, and seek my Presence, and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear in heaven, and be mercifull to their sin and will heal their land. As far as the stonings are concerned – that is muslims that are physically persecuting people – again man's law and/or false god – not the God of all gods – the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. The stoning or physical persecution of any human being for breaking mans law should and will be judged by God's law if not here on earth than in heaven on Judgment day
      - Esther
        
        And it needs to be made clear to people standing at the gate to get into our country that they and their religion is NOT WELCOME. Do you agree with that?
      - cyndlou
        
        ABSOLUTELY – it's has always boggled my mind why people would want to flee to Amercia and then turn Her into the land they just fleed from – however, I do understand why the muslims are penetrating, they want to destroy us and why our boarders have not been closed to anyone refusing to denounce their muslim/islamic beliefs is beyond me. I don't believe women should be treated the way they are in the muslim belief system but if they don't think so either, why do they want to inliltrate it into the Republic democracy that America is? Glad we got things settled between us – hope I didn't offend you but it was making me nervous the way you seemed to be defending Jeff. I feel bad about him too but he doesn't seem to want to open his heart to the Truth of God and you can't force it on anyone.
      - Esther
        
        Our land looks very good to them coming from another country that is basically barren. The want to exercise their faith to their god by destroying the infidels (that is what they call us) and taking this country as their own. That is what their holy book teaches.
      - Esther
        
        Thank you Cyndlou.
      - Esther
        
        Jeff, how do you define hopeless case? I don't think you know of one. hmmm … Maybe one.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Kent. He is the biggest loon on this site.
      - Esther
        
        You do read minds.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        So, do you propose legalizing robbery and murder? Fornication and infidelity are no necessarily illegal in the USA, and lying is only punishable under certain circumstances. What's you pleasure, Jeff?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        What an absurd question. of course not. Laws are there to protect people and property. Robbery and murder hurt people. However, silly rules like working on the Sabbath are asinine.
      - cyndlou
        
        Jeff – you are so sadly disillusioned – the Bible was written in the Spiritual realm – so when you talk about the beasts in the Book of Revelation – it is referring to nations and religions – such as the Lion with wings like an Eagle that were plucked out and set down on a land with the heart of a man is clearly Great Britain (the Lion) and the Eagles wings are the United States of America and that man would be Uncle Sam – now I do expect you to laugh at this but unfortunately he who laughs last – well in this case will actually weep for all the lost souls that chose to laugh at it's prophecy. You've obviously read some of the Bible – I pray something you have read will grab ahold of your soul and you will know the Word of God for the Truth that it is because – the Word was made flesh – that's Jesus Christ – and if you don't know Him, you'll never know heaven –
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        If it was written in the spiritual realm, it should stay there. It has no basis in the physical realm.
      - Esther
        
        She is missing the point Jeff.
      - Esther
        
        You are disillusioned, that which is in the Book of Rev won't happen until at least another 100 hundred years; I read about the prediction on some biblical website, I don't recall which.
      - cyndlou
        
        oh – and you are so wise to know when they will happen? The trumpets have already started – Read up on the Third Trumpet – the Star of Wormwood translate to Chernobyl – Google Chernobyl, the memorial statue is an Angel sounding a trumpet. are you honestly going to tell me that that is not prophesy come true – If so, I would think you need to reevaluate the disillusioned one becasue it would be you. – and before you ask – the first trumpet would be WWI – the second trumpet WWII – the third mentioned above – the fourth is the shortening of days which God said He would do in Matthew 24 for His elect – the Fifth is the oil wells of Kawait being lit by Sadam aka the destroyer (which is absolutely in Revelation 9) and we are about to experience the Sixth trumpet with WWIII -
      - Esther
        
        cyndlou: I guess these were too minor to make the list:
        
        – The First Crusade was launched in 1095 with the battle cry "Deus Vult" (God wills it), a mandate to destroy infidels in the Holy Land. Gathering crusaders in Germany first fell upon "the infidel among us," Jews in the Rhine valley, thousands of whom were dragged from their homes or hiding places and hacked to death or burned alive. Then the religious legions plundered their way 2,000 miles to Jerusalem, where they killed virtually every inhabitant, "purifying" the symbolic city. Cleric Raymond of Aguilers wrote: "In the temple of Solomon, one rode in blood up to the knees and even to the horses' bridles, by the just and marvelous judgment of God."
        – Human sacrifice blossomed in the Mayan theocracy of Central America between the 11th and 16th centuries. To appease a feathered-serpent god, maidens were drowned in sacred wells and other victims either had their hearts cut out, were shot with arrows, or were beheaded. Elsewhere, sacrifice was sporadic. In Peru, pre-Inca tribes killed children in temples called "houses of the moon." In Tibet, Bon shamans performed ritual killings. In Borneo builders of pile houses drove the first pile through the body of a maiden to pacify the earth goddess. In India, Dravidian people offered lives to village goddesses, and followers of Kali sacrificed a male child every Friday evening.
        – In the Third Crusade, after Richard the Lion-Hearted captured Acre in 1191, he ordered 3,000 captives — many of them women and children — taken outside the city and slaughtered. Some were disemboweled in a search for swallowed gems. Bishops intoned blessings. Infidel lives were of no consequence. As Saint Bernard of Clairvaux declared in launching the Second Crusade: "The Christian glories in the death of a pagan, because thereby Christ himself is glorified."
        – The Assassins were a sect of Ismaili Shi'ite Muslims whose faith required the stealthy murder of religious opponents. From the 11th to 13th centuries, they killed numerous leaders in modern-day Iran, Iraq and Syria. They finally were wiped out by conquering Mongols — but their vile name survives.
        – Throughout Europe, beginning in the 1100s, tales spread that Jews were abducting Christian children, sacrificing them, and using their blood in rituals. Hundreds of massacres stemmed from this "blood libel." Some of the supposed sacrifice victims — Little Saint Hugh of Lincoln, the holy child of LaGuardia, Simon of Trent — were beatified or commemorated with shrines that became sites of pilgrimages and miracles.
        – In 1209, Pope Innocent III launched an armed crusade against Albigenses Christians in southern France. When the besieged city of Beziers fell, soldiers reportedly asked their papal adviser how to distinguish the faithful from the infidel among the captives. He commanded: "Kill them all. God will know his own." Nearly 20,000 were slaughtered — many first blinded, mutilated, dragged behind horses, or used for target practice.
        – The Fourth Lateran Council in 1215 proclaimed the doctrine of transubstantiation: that the host wafer miraculously turns into the body of Jesus during the mass. Soon rumors spread that Jews were stealing the sacred wafers and stabbing or driving nails through them to crucify Jesus again. Reports said that the pierced host bled, cried out, or emitted spirits. On this charge, Jews were burned at the stake in 1243 in Belitz, Germany — the first of many killings that continued into the 1800s. To avenge the tortured host, the German knight Rindfliesch led a brigade in 1298 that exterminated 146 defenseless Jewish communities in six months.
        – In the 1200s the Incas built their empire in Peru, a society dominated by priests reading daily magical signs and offering sacrifices to appease many gods. At major ceremonies up to 200 children were burned as offerings. Special "chosen women" — comely virgins without blemish — were strangled.
        – Also during the 1200s, the hunt for Albigensian heretics led to establishment of the Inquisition, which spread over Europe. Pope Innocent IV authorized torture. Under interrogation by Dominican priests, screaming victims were stretched, burned, pierced and broken on fiendish pain machines to make them confess to disbelief and to identify fellow transgressors. Inquisitor Robert le Bourge sent 183 people to the stake in a single week.
        – In Spain, where many Jews and Moors had converted to escape persecution, inquisitors sought those harboring their old faith. At least 2,000 Spanish backsliders were burned. Executions in other countries included the burning of scientists such as mathematician-philosopher Giordano Bruno, who espoused Copernicus's theory that the planets orbit the sun.
        – When the Black Death swept Europe in 1348-1349, rumors alleged that it was caused by Jews poisoning wells. Hysterical mobs slaughtered thousands of Jews in several countries. In Speyer, Germany, the burned bodies were piled into giant wine casks and sent floating down the Rhine. In northern Germany Jews were walled up alive in their homes to suffocate or starve. The Flagellants, an army of penitents who whipped themselves bloody, stormed the Jewish quarter of Frankfurt in a gruesome massacre. The prince of Thuringia announced that he had burned his Jews for the honor of God.
        – The Aztecs began their elaborate theocracy in the 1300s and brought human sacrifice to a golden era. About 20,000 people were killed yearly to appease gods — especially the sun god, who needed daily "nourishment" of blood. Hearts of sacrifice victims were cut out, and some bodies were eaten ceremoniously. Other victims were drowned, beheaded, burned or dropped from heights. In a rite to the rain god, shrieking children were killed at several sites so that their tears might induce rain. In a rite to the maize goddess, a virgin danced for 24 hours, then was killed and skinned; her skin was worn by a priest in further dancing. One account says that at King Ahuitzotl's coronation, 80,000 prisoners were butchered to please the gods.
        – In the 1400s, the Inquisition shifted its focus to witchcraft. Priests tortured untold thousands of women into confessing that they were witches who flew through the sky and engaged in sex with the devil — then they were burned or hanged for their confessions. Witch hysteria raged for three centuries in a dozen nations. Estimates of the number executed vary from 100,000 to 2 million. Whole villages were exterminated. In the first half of the 17th century, about 5,000 "witches" were put to death in the French province of Alsace, and 900 were burned in the Bavarian city of Bamberg. The witch craze was religious madness at its worst.
        – The "Protestant Inquisition" is a term applied to the severities of John Calvin in Geneva and Queen Elizabeth I in England during the 1500s. Calvin's followers burned 58 "heretics," including theologian Michael Servetus, who doubted the Trinity. Elizabeth I outlawed Catholicism and executed about 200 Catholics.
        – Protestant Huguenots grew into an aggressive minority in France in the 15OOs — until repeated Catholic reprisals smashed them. On Saint Bartholomew's Day in 1572, Catherine de Medicis secretly authorized Catholic dukes to send their soldiers into Huguenot neighborhoods and slaughter families. This massacre touched off a six-week bloodbath in which Catholics murdered about 10,000 Huguenots. Other persecutions continued for two centuries, until the French Revolution. One group of Huguenots escaped to Florida; in 1565 a Spanish brigade discovered their colony, denounced their heresy, and killed them all.
        – Members of lndia's Thuggee sect strangled people as sacrifices to appease the bloodthirsty goddess Kali, a practice beginning in the 1500s. The number of victims has been estimated to be as high as 2 million. Thugs were claiming about 20,000 lives a year in the 1800s until British rulers stamped them out. At a trial in 1840, one Thug was accused of killing 931 people. Today, some Hindu priests still sacrifice goats to Kali.
        – The Anabaptists, communal "rebaptizers," were slaughtered by both Catholic and Protestant authorities. In Munster, Germany, Anabaptists took control of the city, drove out the clergymen, and proclaimed a New Zion. The bishop of Munster began an armed siege. While the townspeople starved, the Anabaptist leader proclaimed himself king and executed dissenters. When Munster finally fell, the chief Anabaptists were tortured to death with red-hot pincers and their bodies hung in iron cages from a church steeple.
        – Oliver Cromwell was deemed a moderate because he massacred only Catholics and Anglicans, not other Protestants. This Puritan general commanded Bible-carrying soldiers, whom he roused to religious fervor. After decimating an Anglican army, Cromwell said, "God made them as stubble to our swords." He demanded the beheading of the defeated King Charles I, and made himself the holy dictator of England during the 1650s. When his army crushed the hated Irish Catholics, he ordered the execution of the surrendered defenders of Drogheda and their priests, calling it "a righteous judgment of God upon these barbarous wretches."
        – Ukrainian Bogdan Chmielnicki was a Cossack Cromwell. He wore the banner of Eastern Orthodoxy in a holy war against Jews and Polish Catholics. More than 100,000 were killed in this 17th-century bloodbath, and the Ukraine was split away from Poland to become part of the Orthodox Russian empire.
        – The Thirty Years' War produced the largest religious death toll of all time. It began in 1618 when Protestant leaders threw two Catholic emissaries out of a Prague window into a dung heap. War flared between Catholic and Protestant princedoms, drawing in supportive religious armies from Germany, Spain, England, Holland, Denmark, Sweden, France and Italy. Sweden's Protestant soldiers sang Martin Luther's "Ein 'Feste Burg" in battle. Three decades of combat turned central Europe into a wasteland of misery. One estimate states that Germany's population dropped from 18 million to 4 million. In the end nothing was settled, and too few people remained to rebuild cities, plant fields, or conduct education.
        – When Puritans settled in Massachusetts in the 1600s, they created a religious police state where doctrinal deviation could lead to flogging, pillorying, hanging, cutting off ears, or boring through the tongue with a hot iron. Preaching Quaker beliefs was a capital offense. Four stubborn Quakers defied this law and were hanged. In the 1690s fear of witches seized the colony. Twenty alleged witches were killed and 150 others imprisoned.
        – In 1723 the bishop of Gdansk, Poland, demanded that all Jews be expelled from the city. The town council declined, but the bishop's exhortations roused a mob that invaded the ghetto and beat the residents to death.
        – Islamic jihads (holy wars), mandated by the Koran, killed millions over 12 centuries. In early years, Muslim armies spread the faith rapidly: east to India and west to Morocco. Then splintering sects branded other Muslims as infidels and declared jihads against them. The Kharijis battled Sunni rulers. The Azariqis decreed death to all "sinners" and their families. In 1804 a Sudanese holy man, Usman dan Fodio, waged a bloody jihad that broke the religious sway of the Sultan of Gobir. In the 1850s another Sudanese mystic, 'Umar al-Hajj, led a barbaric jihad to convert pagan African tribes — with massacres, beheadings and a mass execution of 300 hostages. In the 1880s a third Sudanese holy man, Muhammad Ahmed, commanded a jihad that destroyed a 10,000-man Egyptian army and wiped out defenders of Khartoum led by British general Charles "Chinese" Gordon.
        – In 1801 Orthodox priests in Bucharest, Romania, revived the story that Jews sacrificed Christians and drank their blood. Enraged parishioners stormed the ghetto and cut the throats of 128 Jews.
        – When the Baha'i faith began in Persia in 1844, the Islamic regime sought to exterminate it. The Baha'i founder was imprisoned and executed in 1850. Two years later, the religious government massacred 20,000 Baha'is. Streets of Tehran were soaked with blood. The new Baha'i leader, Baha'ullah, was tortured and exiled in foreign Muslim prisons for the rest of his life.
        – Human sacrifices were still occurring in Buddhist Burma in the 1850s. When the capital was moved to Mandalay, 56 "spotless" men were buried beneath the new city walls to sanctify and protect the city. When two of the burial spots were later found empty, royal astrologers decreed that 500 men, women, boys, and girls must be killed and buried at once, or the capital must be abandoned. About 100 were actually buried before British governors stopped the ceremonies.
        – In 1857 both Muslim and Hindu taboos triggered the Sepoy Mutiny in India. British rulers had given their native soldiers new paper cartridges that had to be bitten open. The cartridges were greased with animal tallow. This enraged Muslims, to whom pigs are unclean, and Hindus, to whom cows are sacred. Troops of both faiths went into a crazed mutiny, killing Europeans wantonly. At Kanpur, hundreds of European women and children were massacred after being promised safe passage.
        – Late in the 19th century, with rebellion stirring in Russia, the czars attempted to divert public attention by helping anti-Semitic groups rouse Orthodox Christian hatred for Jews. Three waves of pogroms ensued — in the 1880s, from 1903 to 1906, and during the Russian Revolution. Each wave was increasingly murderous. During the final period, 530 communities were attacked and 60,000 Jews were killed.
        – In the early 1900s, Muslim Turks waged genocide against Christian Armenians, and Christian Greeks and Balkans warred against the Islamic Ottoman Empire.
        – When India finally won independence from Britain in 1947, the "great soul" of Mahatma Gandhi wasn't able to prevent Hindus and Muslims from turning on one another in a killing frenzy that took perhaps 1 million lives. Even Gandhi was killed by a Hindu who thought him too pro-Muslim.
        – In the 1950s and 1960s, combat between Christians, animists and Muslims in Sudan killed more than 500,000.
        – In Jonestown, Guyana, in 1978, followers of the Rev. Jim Jones killed a visiting congressman and three newsmen, then administered cyanide to themselves and their children in a 900-person suicide that shocked the world.
        – Islamic religious law decrees that thieves shall have their hands or feet chopped off, and unmarried lovers shall be killed. In the Sudan in 1983 and 1984, 66 thieves were axed in public. A moderate Muslim leader, Mahmoud Mohammed Taha, was hanged for heresy in 1985 because he opposed these amputations. In Saudi Arabia a teen-age princess and her lover were executed in public in 1977. In Pakistan in 1987, a 25-year-old carpenter's daughter was sentenced to be stoned to death for engaging in unmarried sex. In the United Arab Emirates in 1984, a cook and a maid were sentenced to stoning for adultery — but, as a show of mercy, the execution was postponed until after the maid's baby was born.
        – In 1983 in Darkley, Northern Ireland, Catholic terrorists with automatic weapons burst into a Protestant church on a Sunday morning and opened fire, killing three worshipers and wounding seven. It was just one of hundreds of Catholic-Protestant ambushes that have taken 2,600 lives in Ulster since age-old religious hostility turned violent again in 1969.
        – Hindu-Muslim bloodshed erupts randomly throughout India. More than 3,000 were killed in Assam province in 1983. In May 1984 Muslims hung dirty sandals on a Hindu leader's portrait as a religious insult. This act triggered a week of arson riots that left 216 dead, 756 wounded, 13,000 homeless, and 4,100 in jail.
        – Religious tribalism — segregation of sects into hostile camps — has ravaged Lebanon continuously since 1975. News reports of the civil war tell of "Maronite Christian snipers," "Sunni Muslim suicide bombers," "Druze machine gunners," "Shi'ite Muslim mortar fire," and "Alawite Muslim shootings." Today 130,000 people are dead and a once-lovely nation is laid waste.
        – In Nigeria in 1982, religious fanatic followers of Mallam Marwa killed and mutilated several hundred people as heretics and infidels. They drank the blood of some of the victims. When the militia arrived to quell the violence, the cultists sprinkled themselves with blessed powder that they thought would make them impervious to police bullets. It didn't.
        – Today's Shi'ite theocracy in Iran — "the government of God on earth" — decreed that Baha'i believers who won't convert shall be killed. About 200 stubborn Baha'is were executed in the early 1980s, including women and teenagers. Up to 40,000 Baha'is fled the country. Sex taboos in Iran are so severe that: (1) any woman who shows a lock of hair is jailed; (2) Western magazines being shipped into the country first go to censors who laboriously black out all women's photos except for faces; (3) women aren't allowed to ski with men, but have a separate slope where they may ski in shrouds.
        – The lovely island nation of Sri Lanka has been turned hellish by ambushes and massacres between Buddhist Sinhalese and Hindu Tamils.
        – In 1983 a revered Muslim leader, Mufti Sheikh Sa'ad e-Din el'Alami of Jerusalem, issued a fatwa (an order of divine deliverance) promising an eternal place in paradise to any Muslim assassin who would kill President Hafiz al-Assad of Syria.
        – Sikhs want to create a separate theocracy, Khalistan (Land of the Pure), in the Punjab region of India. Many heed the late extremist preacher Jarnail Bhindranwale, who taught his followers that they have a "religious duty to send opponents to hell." Throughout the 1980s they sporadically murdered Hindus to accomplish this goal. In 1984, after Sikh guards riddled prime minister Indira Gandhi with 50 bullets, Hindus went on a rampage that killed 5,000 Sikhs in three days. Mobs dragged Sikhs from homes, stores, buses and trains, chopping and pounding them to death. Some were burned alive; boys were castrated.
        – In 1984 Shi'ite fanatics who killed and tortured Americans on a hijacked Kuwaiti airliner at Tehran Airport said they did it "for the pleasure of God."
        
        [You mentioned this one, it made the list:] The Nazi Holocaust was rooted in centuries of religious hate. Historian Dagobert Runes said the long era of church persecution killed three and a half million Jews — and Hitler's Final Solution was a secular continuation. Meanwhile, faith remains potent in the Third World, where it still produces familiar results.
        
        http://rationalresponses.blogspot.com/ see Holy Horrors on right sidebar, accessed 103112
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I'm concerned about morality in America which robbery and murder are such, but many don't see prostitution, infidelity, and fornication as detrimental to society and that these also hurt people. I believe abortion is usually an immoral consequence of immoral acts in a huge way as well as pornography which "progresses" into all sorts o social ills like rape, incest, child abuse, etc., etc..
        Sharia law is radically unfair to women, and very retro. Sharia is meant to be theocratic and it is very repressive and incompatible with the Constitution. I would make it a litmus test for POTUS to defend our Constitution ESPECIALLY in front of Sharia.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Prostitution and fornication are not problems Infidelity is a problem for marriage, but that is not a concern of the government. It is a concern of the families it impacts. Should we put in jail people who stray from their marriage?
      - Esther
        
        Is this "on topic"… no one is referencing your post on the Islamic girl who at 13 was stoned ???
      - Esther
        
        I agree. Mex did pose a couple of absurd questions.
      - Esther
        
        Gasp!!! I cannot believe you ask these preposterous questions. You have not read this conversation.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Esther;
        
        This question was in response to rejection of basing our laws on the 10 Commandments.
      - Esther
        
        The constitutional amendments are not based on the ten commandments. Our criminal laws are based primarily on English common, goes back centuries before Christianity, not the ten commandments, either.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        The Ten Commandments predate Christianity. England had been a Christian country since being controlled by the Roman Catholic Church and then Anglican religion or Church of England.
      - Esther
        
        Not so Mex, the pagans came before… are you kidding??? The Catholics had NOTHING to do with the development of English common law.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Esther;
        
        The influence of Christianity on British legislation is found in the appeal to the books of Sacred Scripture in support of civil laws. In the Roman law there is hardly any reference to Scripture. And that is not surprising, since the spirit of Roman legislation, even under the Christian emperors, was heathen and the emperor was thought of as the supreme and ultimate source of legislation. On the contrary, the codes of the barbarian nations are replete with quotations from Scripture. In the prologue to several of them reference is made to the leftist ration given by Moses to the Jewish people. Mention has been made above of a Lombardic law which recognizes the legality of marriages among slaves on the authority of the Scriptural text: "whom God hath joined together, let no man put asunder" (Matthew 19:6; Mark 10:9). Many other examples may be found, e.g., in the "Leges Visigothorum" and in the Capitularies of the Frankish kings, where almost every book of the Old and New Testament is resorted to for argument or illustration. Barbaric laws were completely interpenetrated by Christian influences; they received their definite form only after the several nations had submitted to the gentle yoke of Christ.
        Christianity influenced Marriage, Slavery, Paternity, Property, and Contracts, among other aspects.
        http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09066a.htm
        
        Most of the founding fathers of the USA were Christian, many even seminary students. Their faith influenced their own lives as well as their work in their formation of this nation. Thus, biblical principals permeate our founding documents and laws, even if from England.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        …
        Jefferson, who as a careful historian had made a study of the origin of the
        maxim [that the common law is inextricably linked with Christianity], challenged
        such an assertion. He noted that "the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons
        were yet pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ
        pronounced or that such a character existed …. What a conspiracy this, between
        Church and State." (Leo Pfeffer, Religion, State, and the Burger Court, Buffalo,
        New York: Prometheus Books, 1984, p. 121.)
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Contrary to the history texts treatment of the subject, Christian influence on values, beliefs, and practices in Western culture are abundant and well ingrained into the flourishing society of today (Schmidt 12). In the Old Testament book of Hosea the writer states: “my people are destroyed for lack of knowledge,” a statement that can well be applied to those today who are forgetful of the past (The Reformation Study Bible, Hosea 4.6a).
        http://crossandquill.com/journey/?page_id=267
      - Esther
        
        There you are Mex. Thanks to the acumen of our resident atheist, a confirmation, validated by the pertinent references that, once again, the Catholic church is implicated in pulling the rabbit out to hat. "Truth" from no source whatsoever, except through their artificial machinations, no connection to the actual event, as I see, and Martin Luther saw, not comparing myself to the young priest you understand, but nevertheless, the manipulations of any information of the life of Christ made so obvious as to make the possibility of its truth so daunting that I left it and I will never return. It is NOT the true church, in fact, 15 years ago, it gave me cause to think that there is none. Sorry, I believe our resident founder/historian Jefferson and it is based on years of accumulated first hand knowledge of the Catholic church.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Esther, the Roman Catholic Church may be corrupt and apostate, but it originated from Christianity. Even the mafia and the LDS, corrupt as they may be as well, got some set of their ethics and moral code from Christianity. So, as the Church pretty much controlled the whole of Europe, it permeated life and it influenced all aspects of life and society, including law.
        Jefferson had his opinion, albeit educated, yet opinion (based on someone else's) nonetheless. Even his speech (modes of speech, etc.) were shaped by the Christian environment in which he grew up. Atheists salivate at the opportunity to deny the Christian faith of the forefathers and compromise a little by saying they were "Theists," even though many of them attended seminar. In those days it was common to learn to read using the Bible. But Christianity influenced thought in the majority of the people of those days.
        So, there you go. The British may have inherited a Barbarian legal code, but it was refined through the years by Christians. Same in the case of USA. Christians wrote the American founding documents acknowledging the Creator. Etc., etc., etc.
      - Esther
        
        The wise man builds his house upon the rock, Mex, not the sands. Your comment proves my point that yours is the latter. Your argument is full of it.
        
        A particular falsity that I MUST address: No, the LDS church is NOT corrupt. The LDS church is NOT built upon existing Christianity, which is maximally pseudo-, i.e., false Christianity. The LDS church is built upon The Christ. Period.
        
        Go to lds.org with all possible speed, if indeed, you are a follower of The Christ.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        I stand corrected, Esther. LDS may not be corrupt. LDS is built on a corrupt gospel. The Jesus of LDS is not the Jesus of the Bible and therefore ineffective.
        Our imperfection is precisely the point of the real gospel of Jesus Christ. You may've heard "while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." Only the blood of Jesus is pure. We are made pure before God, by the shed blood of Messiah, Jesus. Hebrews 11 is a parade of imperfect men that were justified by their faith. They all failed in one way or another, but were saved by grace, through faith. This is Christianity. A scattered bunch of people that have acknowledged that apart from Christ we cannot mitigate our offense and guilt, and cannot enter the kingdom of God. By committing our trust in Jesus, He is able to take away our since and present us before the Throne of God cleansed and forgiven, even a heirs of the kingdom of heaven. While we're on earth, we grow in knowledge and understanding and practice our faith, but achieve perfection when we leave this imperfect domain,
        Falsity and error is to mangle the Holy Scriptures as JW's, Islam, and LDS have done showing a Christ different from the Bible.
        Teaching polygamy as the will of God is an insult to the Father and the Son and another lie of Satan. Giving false prophecy is in itself an indictment against LDS and the others as expressed in the Bible.
        Jeremiah 23:32
        32 Behold, I am against them that prophesy false dreams, saith the Lord, and do tell them, and cause my people to err by their lies, and by their lightness; yet I sent them not, nor commanded them: therefore they shall not profit this people at all, saith the Lord.
        Wake up from your slumber of deception and open your eyes to the truth. Know Jesus through the Bible and not through any false teaching. When you say LDS is true, you might as well say the same thing of JW's, and Islam. Because all of them purport to "fix" the gospel, to "correct" the Bible, "restore" Christianity. There's nothing wrong with the Scriptures. The problem is with men, not the Scriptures. LDS is not better than the Roman Catholic in that it twists and adds to the Bible.
      - Esther
        
        Catholics are the dirge of civilization in the west, the equivalent of Islam in the middle east. Thank God for Martin Luther and eventually Joseph Smith.
      - Esther
        
        The wise man builds his house upon the rock, Mex, not the sands. And LOL Mex Seiko, no, the LDS church is NOT corrupt. The LDS church is NOT built upon existing Christianity, the existing Christianity of which is maximally pseudo-, i.e., false Christianity. The LDS church is built upon The Christ and is rock solid. Period. Go to lds.org with all possible speed, if indeed, you are a follower of The Christ.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Societies all over the world developed the concept that robbery and murder are bad without the influence of the Ten Commandments.
      - cyndlou
        
        We are one nation under GOD – not Allah, Mohammad – GOD and the one and only true God – why do you think we are in the mess we are in? United we stand – divided we fall
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Because people do not understand economics as well as they should. There are also too many people who have found out they can do nothing and have the government take care of them.
        
        "When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is the beginning of the end of any nation. "
        
        Imaginary gods have nothing to do with it.
      - Esther
        
        What about the Muslim problem of the 13 year old girl… is the economy really "on topic"
- Robert30
  
  Truly you do need an education. How do you think Muslims will install Sharia Law in this country.
  Do you know it is not a rule of law followed other than by a very few vocal groups who are a tad insane. That is just like the right wing religious zealots who think they own american when they aren't qualified to be dog-catchers.
  They are as fanatical as any Islamic group.
  - Vladimir
    
    The problem that folks like Robert30 and daves have is the Koran and Hadith. It is mandatory for devout Muslims to work to install Sharia law on everyone.
    
    So posts mitigating that point are deceptive and designed to lull us back to sleep. Thanks guys. Like most of us aren't already asleep.
    - daves
      
      There is no one thing called Sharia. A variety of Muslim communities exist, and each understands Sharia in its own way. No official document, such as the Ten Commandments, encapsulates Sharia. It is the ideal law of God as interpreted by Muslim scholars over centuries aimed toward justice, fairness, and mercy.
      - Vladimir
        
        Daves, you said, "There is no one thing called Sharia." My answer is SO WHAT.
        
        Sharia law exists and it is a threat to our fundamental protections. There are two primary sources of sharia law, the precepts set forth in the Koran, and the example set by the false prophet Muhammad in the Sunnah.
        
        It cannot co-exist with our Constitution so it's full implementation, which is required by the Koran, can only be achieved by the destruction of our Constitution.
        
        Do you want that??? Then stop trying to mitigate the situation.
      - dntmkmecomoverther
        
        ignorance knows no limits: look into the Hadith; whether one is Sunni or Shia, these traditions of laws ARE written; there is a code and it descends from Mohammed.
      - daves
        
        It looks like Hadith is a list of things their profit approved or disapproved of.
        
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith
        
        Hadith are regarded by traditional Islamic schools of jurisprudence as important tools for understanding the Quran and in matters of jurisprudence.[4] Hadith were evaluated and gathered into large collections during the 8th and 9th centuries. These works are referred to in matters of Islamic law and history to this day. The two largest denominations of Islam, Shiʻa and Sunni, have different sets of hadith collections.
      - cyndlou
        
        daves – are we to believe that you are indeed Muslim and in support of Sharia – you seem to be a little to falsely educated in this area.
    - Jeff Dixon
      
      There are also Christians like Ted who want to install a Christian theocracy in the USA which would also require the implementation of barbaric and absurd rules. The dangers from religious zealots come from many areas.
      - Esther
        
        I know you wouldn't say this unless you are sure Jeff?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        He says it himself.
    - Esther
      
      I am wide awake! Go U.S.A. !!! Mitt & Paul will undo the deceit masquerading as lullabies!
  - Wise woman
    
    At least aren't trying to kill anyone. Traffic gets stopped in New York so the Muslims can drop to the ground and pray. Trust me, it may end up being a slow process but if we do nothing then Sharia law will slowly take over. No one has ever been able to take over America from without. When it happens, and it will happen, it will be from within if we do not wake up and do the right thing.
    - Jeff Dixon
      
      The danger we face as a country is economic. We can handle people who want to install religious rule over us. But if we do not fix our economic problems, we will end up like financially ruined and topple from the top.
      - Esther
        
        The non-working indigents are at 47% Jeff. Mitt and Paul will need some working across the aisle.
  - Esther
    
    Hi Robert30. My answer: By coming the majority?
    
    Did you say dog catchers? What do Islamist do with dog owners? Do you know? Have you seen the news coverage of the vast numbers of Muslims stopping traffic in the streets of New York City? That is what Muslims are bringing here. Have you seen the news about France? Yes, our nation is "isolated, is it not? Our property must look very good to the Islamists. No?
    
    We may live across the pond but we read. Robert30. And even though one may not have computers and all, we do have a memory… of the Barbary Coast, of the WTC, of the plight of the Jews, etc.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004047180339 John Adams

Sadly, I don't think many Americans care any more. Well, the queers, feminists and others that support obama had better wake up. If sharia comes in, they will be out – out like as in gone/dead.
petroskhan

And all of this surprises…anyone? Anyone?
- mallen11
  
  I doubt that it surprises anyone on this site.
american1946

Throw out of our country anybody that doesn't believe and
Pledges allegiance to the flag of the United States of America!
God Bless and Protect America and Americans!
- mallen11
  
  That includes the religion of the Jehovah Witnesses — they do not pledge allegiance to our flag.
  - Evermyrtle
    
    I do not know a lot of what Jehovah's Witnesses preach, but seldom is there any other religion that is as faithful to their cause as they are, and that is a pity!!
    - mallen11
      
      Right, and that is because it is a religion and not Christianity.
      - Robert30
        
        Xianity be damned. It will soon be gone as it should be
    - Robert30
      
      Crocodile tears? Easy for you who has not belief in truth.
    - cyndlou
      
      that's because – if they don't, they are shamed before the entire congregation. How pitiful is THAT – my allegiance is to God and His Son that died to forgive me so that I didn't have to bear shame before anyone – He is my judge and only Him. I'll settle for imperfection to worship and glorify God. My loyalty is to Him not my church.
  - Robert30
    
    They have every right to practice their religions in any form they want, haven't you heard?
    If you don't like why don't you sit in front of your 20' flag and salute it all day.
  - cyndlou
    
    I do not agree with the JW religion but on this one – they do not pledge the flag because they pledge their allegiance to God. – I do pledge the flag as one nation under God – they take that out and I will no longer pledge to our flag – will still love my country and the flage by I will not pledge my allegiance to the flag without its allegiance to God.
    - mallen11
      
      I understand what you are saying and according to the way the JWs believe where does it say in the Bible to pledge allegiance to God? We are to worship God…
      
      John 4:24 God is spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit (in fellowship) and truth (using the knowledge of his Word).
- Robert30
  
  Would you throw out all the SDA's and other religions such as Jehovah's Witnesses and well as Scientologists? None of them recite the pledge to an old hank of fabric.
american1946

Muslims are rude individuals that take what is not offered to them! They hate American values and want to impose their barbaric evil ideas! Send them all to their country !
- daves
  
  What do you base that on?
  - Jerry R Wood
    
    What do you base your drivel on toad?
  - fliteking
    
    Reality. Common sense.
  - Esther
    
    Wake up, daves!
- Robert30
  
  Perhaps we could start by sending you back to the land of your progenitors.
  - Esther
    
    american1946 is right Robert30. I know you think we can't read, but we can. And if american1946 was born in 1946, came home from war in 1946, or experienced ANYTHING in 1946… he knows all about the Muslims!!! So stop calling the Muslims innocent in our faces. We like it less and less.
- Esther
  
  THANK YOU SIR! I hope you see my post to Robert30.
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O24NYT5HOQNDEJ3TUT5QOTLOF4 TM

obama = death to America and sharia law will follow.
- Robert30
  
  You are a complete fool!
bigdog137

And we are supposed to be surprised? Check out his ring, for starters. Check out his support of Muslim Brotherhood, of Arab Spring. He SO needs to be removed from office, not beaten in the election, REMOVED FROM OFFICE!
- Robert30
  
  He will never be removed from office and you will have the luxury of have four more years
  of the rule of our wonderful President Obama.
  Get used to it dud!
  - Jeff Dixon
    
    The polls and Obama's performance rating indicate you will be wrong.
    - Wordman
      
      I'm afraid Dixon is right on this point. Unfortunately in our country, at this time, one can still sometimes get away some illegal acts so long as they have a large enough following. Win or lose, it is unlikely that Obama will ever be prosecuted. This is especially true of him because of the political implications of "the race card." But we can hope and pray that blind justice will make a come back in our land.
  - bigdog137
    
    Nope, sorry! Removal from office is a definite possibility. He IS guilty of treason. Get your free Nobama phone? Or your new kitchen or bathroom—all from Nobama's stash? —– Original Message —–
    From: Disqus
    To: RMILLER26@stny.rr.com
    Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 9:23 PM
    Subject: [zionica] Re: Obama's Family Funding Sharia
    
    Robert30 wrote, in response to bigdog137:
    
    He will never be removed from office and you will have the luxury of have four more years of the rule of our wonderful President Obama.
    Get used to it dud!
    
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soloman

hillary is probably in bed with obama
- Robert30
  
  What an incredibly stupid statement.
  - Jeff Dixon
    
    Hilary is not even in bed with Bill
    - millergroup2
      
      :-) !
DavidE

What, the Obama family is funding Sharia Law, I am shocked!! He is such a Christian!!! lol
- Robert30
  
  There is no evidence that any part of President Obama's family is supporting Sharia.
  What utter nonsense.
  Post your evidence…right! You have none!
  - victorbarney
    
    You're right. Just look at Kenya today. It's dictator is Obama's step-brother & it's a MARXIST COUNTRY, which used to be the only other Republic in the world until Obama's father overthrew it into marxism! One needs to be a complete idiot, even in the current American school system not to REALIZE THAT THE CIA MUST RUN THIS COUNTRY! Duh! I may have been born at night, but NOT LAST NIGHT! And, as always, WOMEN WERE USED AS SATAN'S TOOL! It gets OLD, doesn't it? Just saying…
    - Bar-Eliam
      
      You are a perfect example of Schizophrenia in action.
      President Obama does not have a step brother who is the dictator of Kenya.
      How foolish can you be. Better look up the political status and make up of Kenya and find out for yourself what is going on there.
      You have been fed the FOX cool-aid and you have had far to much.
  - millergroup2
    
    Here you go. Read and weep!
    
    http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obama-family-behind-shariah-push/
Mr lucky

Most Americans don't care about anything but themselves! They 're getting everything they deserve!!!
- millergroup2
  
  That is why America is the first to come to the aid of any country. To help them through their crises, to feed them, to bring them to our land when their own country enacts genocide because of their beliefs. Most American's don't care? We are the only ones who care! That was just a DUMB statement Mr Lucky.
Robert30

King's College crisis

About 2,000 people gathered on Sept. 28 at First Baptist North in
Spartanburg, S.C., to hear high-profile Christians speak on defending the faith
and applying a Christian worldview to their lives. Among the speakers: Eric
Metaxas, Josh McDowell, and—keynote speaker for the evening—best-selling author,
filmmaker, and Christian college president Dinesh D’Souza.

D’Souza’s speech earned him a standing ovation and a long line at the
book-signing table immediately afterward. Although D’Souza has been married for
20 years to his wife, Dixie, in South Carolina he was with a young woman, Denise
Odie Joseph II, and introduced her to at least three people as his fiancée.

Finally, near 11 p.m., event organizer Tony Beam escorted D’Souza and Joseph
to the nearby Comfort Suites. Beam noted that they checked in together and were
apparently sharing a room for the night in the sold-out hotel. The next morning,
around 6 a.m., Beam arrived back at the hotel and called up to D’Souza’s room.
“We’ll be down in 10 minutes,” D’Souza told Beam. D’Souza and Joseph came down
together, and Beam took them to the airport.

The next day another conference organizer, Alex McFarland, distressed by
D’Souza’s behavior, confronted him in a telephone conversation. D’Souza admitted
he shared a room with his fiancée but said “nothing happened.” When I called
D’Souza, he confirmed that he was indeed engaged to Joseph, but did not explain
how he could be engaged to one woman while still married to another. When asked
when he had filed for divorce from his wife, Dixie, D’Souza answered,
“Recently
victorbarney

Believe it or not, there is a CALIPHATE between MARXISM & ISLAM, both being "Anti-Christ" in purpose & both representing DEATH &/OR DESTRUCTION! QUESTION? WHY DOES THE "DEVIL" ALWAYS USE WOMEN TO GETHER DONE? Again, just wondering…I KNOW, the DEVIL'S in the DETAILS, right?
bigbadude

some how the word Treason comes to mind!
http://pulse.yahoo.com/_O24NYT5HOQNDEJ3TUT5QOTLOF4 TM

sharia sucks as do the obama's and the democrats in office who kiss this community organizers arse.
Wordman

Everything we learn about this man's past tells us that he is not American AT HEART. He said in one of his books, "If things ever take an ugly turn, I will stand with the Muslims." HIS OWN WORDS!! And so it is. Now we find that he long wore a ring on his wedding finger pledging his undying support of Islam! All of that support for the so-called "Arab Spring" has not brought freedom loving demoncracies but chaotic, America-hating Islamic messes. This man is NOT for the America we have known and loved. He will bring us down if he can.