Has Billy Graham Suddenly Turned Political? - ZIONICA.com

Bishop Jerry Ogles

So what if Billy Graham speaks out on politics! Should Christians hide behind the false God of separation? A Christian statesman cannot leave his faith and values at the door of public office. If this were the case, then we must impeach President George Washington posthumously for demaninding public prayers to God the Father in government offices and in public places.

Evermyrtle

What separation?? That separation was to protect the people from governments interference, not the government from the people. .
- Bishop Jerry Ogles
  
  That was precisely my point.

jas1019

Billy Graham has consistently been unwavering regarding God, Jesus, and salvation. He didn't have to say "vote biblical values" because during the main time of his ministry, the US had "biblical values".
Can we say that anymore?
The Bible, and God, and Christianity have been or is being removed from every aspect of our lives, so those who don't know about "biblical values" need to be reminded or in some instances, introduced to them.
We are reaping what we have sown, and as a born again believer and, as the apostle Paul said, am the chief of sinners, it is me, and the church of Jesus Christ who have failed.
Obama would never have been elected if Christians were doing what we should be doing. We are to blame and Obama is the result.
One need only to see in God's word time after time, when His children turned to their own lusts, own wisdom, and disobedience to see the results of His punishment. And yes, for those of you who say "how can you worship a God who punishes His children", there are consequences for disobedience.
What parent doesn't punish or correct a child to prevent further harm to themselves?

But to the point, Billy Graham is correct and proper and owes no one any answer for his opinion. We need more Bible believing preachers to say the same thing.

salim

totally!
it reminded me of America's fate as written in the highly recommended bestseller book titled "The Great Controversy" written by Ellen Gould White.
Enjoy!
- Evermyrtle
  
  The days that she described have come, we are in the last days before our Savior returns.
- Kalev
  
  E. G. White is both a heretic and an apostate and her book is full of false prophesies, which makes her a false prophet as well.
  - Pastor Dwayne
    
    It has been proven most of what she wrote was taken out of many of the books in her library
- Rebecca Koomans
  
  I read most of that book, which I found in a dump. Interesting stuff – It was written somewhere in the 1850's wasn't it? Anyhow, it helped me to question whether the majority of churches were still following Jesus and God. I found out by other means (research into biblical language and prophecy) that indeed, about 95% on churches calling themselves "Christian" are far from the description. They are obviously the one that Jesus asked John to write about in Revelations, asking them to "Come OUT of Babylon" or confusion with the teachings of God and Jesus, and particularly their breach of The Commandments that Jesus and His disciples taught all of us to KEEP as part of BELONGING to The Creator and The Saviour. YES, others should check it out as well… I wouldn't be surprised if it was available ON-LINE even! John even wrote that if we didn't obey the Laws as Jesus taught us how to, then God would IGNORE US… until we repented, and spread the WORD or likewise, in REPENTANCE. (as Works of Faith).
Mitch Sagraves

God bless Billy Graham. We need more like him!
Evermyrtle

You are right, we are in the same position that we have put ourselves where we are. We simply did not have enough Christians to defeat Obama. We who love HIM and try to do our part must keep in prayer over the evil that is flooding our country, and that some way he will deliver us of the evil in our government. I know that HE can do it but I can see no reason why HE should want to do it because evil decreasing it is growing by leaps and bounds..
- sonny
  
  Why should God help a nation that has turned their backs on Him over and over again?
  The people have elected an evil president and are trying to do so again and if that isn't bad enough, they mock and ridicule people like Sarah Palin who is trying to save this country. They have mocked her whole family!! The people truly deserve everything they are getting and have gotten the last four years.
  - Washington22
    
    In answer to your question, why should God help our nation? Because we have been promised that if we turn to him and ask for forgiveness, he will forgive us and help us. That is my understanding of the scripture……………..Pray on bended knees.
1bigjohn

I agree with jas1019, it is time for Christians to wake up and stand for what is right. Thank God
Mr. Graham is taking a stand and he is not afraid to acknowledge the will of God. We need more like him in these last days.

http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/VBBCYNZUJPMNVGYK45HXRD7ZJ4 A Real American

Apparently Billy Graham has lost the savor of the salt in his knowledge and application of Scripture to what a Mormon believes and teaches. Mormonism is a religious cult, a counterfeit of Christianity and it is very sad that the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA) has scales over their eyes to support and place a cult member in the White House whose allegience to their man-made god is greater than to the nation. Shame is too kind of word for the BGEA.

gtm615

It sounds like you would prefer a Muslim who is placing judges on the bench that support Sharia law. No, I don't agree with Mormonism and I do consider it a religious cult. But, I believe that between the two possibilities for the next president, I would prefer the one most supportive of Biblical values rather than the one who speaks out of one side of his mouth quoting and inappropriately applying scripture while he blasphemes Christianity out of the other side. But, then, we can always sit back and do nothing but blame others for what came as a result of our lack of action.
- Winston
  
  Absolutely not. But to vote Biblical values does not mean voting for the lesser of two evils which the Democrates and Republicants have presented to American voters. Wake up, there's more than one way to vote. Voting "Biblical values" may mean writing your own name or the name of a "Biblical Christian" on your ballot instead of a Muslim or Mormon. Think outside your limited thinking.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Roy-Maul/100000030675508 Roy Maul
    
    So, you're going to vote for the muslim/fascist/communist instead of the mormon, by throwing your vote away in writing in yourself or some other "Biblical Christian"?
    - Winston
      
      I am a constitutional American and not driven by a political party, which apparently you must be, Roy. Voting my conscience is not "throwing" my vote away and I find that highly offensive because you sound like a political hack for the Republicant (neo-con one-world government) party. Perhaps it is you, and your ilk who should not vote but just stay at home and play a video game or watch a Realtity TV show to show your worth in the world.
    - gtm615
      
      You must face reality Winston. I don't have great love for both candidates either. But, the reality is if Obama gets in, the chances of another election are very questionable. His objective is a very clear one aimed at destroying our sovereignty, our economy, and our Constitutional rights. We are at a tipping point which will take us over the cliff if Obama gets reelected. Therefore, our first and immediate objective should be to slow the train wreck with whatever means possible so as to give us time to reverse what took us nearly 60 years of Christian complacency (only 25% even vote) that got us here in the first place. It cannot be reversed and completely undone in one election as much as both you and I would like. Therefore, lets take a stepwise approach. Not voting at all, writing in a "no-name" candidate, or voting for Obama only perpetuates clear and obvious rejection of Godly morals that we are headed toward. Remember what Obama said to the Russian diplomat. To paraphrase: "Wait 'til I get reelected because you ain't seen nothing yet."
    - Evermyrtle
      
      Oh the ridiculers are all out today..
- Evermyrtle
  
  Evil is evil, is evil, there are no shades of evil.
- mallen11
  
  You are right and no one should complain if they don't vote. I am voting for the one who believes in capitalism; not communism and enslavement. If We the People were living as unto the Lord we would have better candidates. If Romney wins, God may still continue to discipline our nation to show us we can't put our faith in man to solve our problems. If -0 wins we definetly will continue to be disciplined.
  
  Jeremiah
  17:5 -Thus says the
  LORD, “Cursed is the man who trusts in mankind and makes flesh his strength,
  and whose heart turns away from the LORD.
  - Rebecca Koomans
    
    How about ENCOURAGING Romney to correct his errors (REBUKES) rather than dismissing him entirely? Most churches are just as much in sin as the Mormons, or Jehovah's Witnesses etc, anyhow…. And yet Jesus calls them ALL to one LAST chance to REPENT and correct their errors. The simplest way to show the major error, is to read Gen-2…. God's MARK on all who believe in Him and Jesus (who practiced same), and given to ALL men, not just a tribe or Nation, as none existed then, Just our common ANCESTOR! – The other day being practiced by too many "Christians" is also the "Mark Of The Beast" or opposing God's Laws.
    - mallen11
      
      Yes, there are extremely few churches who are teaching the Word of God correctly and it is the main reason we have a nation that is going against God's ways.
      I doubt that anyone can approach Romney or Ryan with rebukes to correct their ways. This is where prayer is used to make intercession for others; not against their volition but that they will come to know the truth.
      If you mean by "repent", change of mind — then I agree with your statement. People need to change their mind about Jesus Christ and believe in Him as their savior or if they are already believers they need to change their mind about living for Him instead of against Him through the teaching of the Word of God.
      What mark are you talking about in Genesis 2?
      Where do you get the Mark of the Beast as practiced by too many Christians?
jas1019

Perhaps you prefer the current occupant of the White House who believes there are many paths to heaven, and has proven with his every action he is more like a muslim than a Christian.
Who, through Obamacare will make Christians accept a policy that is contrary to their faith, while Romney has said he will repeal.
Is that the type of "shame" you wish to foist on America?
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctpolitics/2008/11/obamas_fascinat.html
- Winston
  
  Gee whiz, you people of limited ability to think defy the meaning of voting "Biblical values". The ballot does not limit or restrict the voter to vote only Democrat or Republican! Wake up! How could a Biblical Christian vote for a man who worships the moon god, or a man who created their own Jesus and God? Amazing, simply amazing.
  - http://www.facebook.com/people/Roy-Maul/100000030675508 Roy Maul
    
    That's true, Winston. However, if you can recruit 20,000,000 voters who are committed to writing in the same "Biblical Christian" name before Nov. 6th, then I'll go along with you. Oh Oh! I forgot, I'm in Oregon and those votes are being mailed in as we speak. And, that's happening all across the country. Now what? Just let the muslim/fascist/communist have it? No way!!!!
    - Winston
      
      I too am in Oregon, but am NOT a socialist Oregonian. There are ways in dealing with a Marxist muslim illegitimately acting out as a dictator…especially when the Republicant majority Congress can't seem to get off their bu##s and start hearings for treason against the guy.
    - Bighoss
      
      Obviously you are not a s ocialist Oregonian. Obviously, you ARE a deluded wingnut Oregonian. YOUR President and mine is no Marxist; neither is he a socialist. And just what are those "ways" that you allude to? Some would see your somewhat cryptic, but menacing, language as something the Secret Service might wish to take note of.
  - mallen11
    
    I am not voting for his religion — I know that it is a cult — I am voting for the man who is best for our country at this time not the muslim/communist who wants to enslave us. We are awake now and we all need to work hard towards the next election in 2016 who will represent more of our Christian values. When has there ever been a president that has done that? It is all political, folks, vote against -0 and for the R&R Team or we will NOT be America after Nov. 6th. God HAS given us a choice and there is nothing we can do about it this time. We the People are at fault because we are not living according to the Word of God and we are no going to get anyone that has the Christian values we expect until this nation is turned back to God. I am not talking about being religeous but living according to His Word; not letting people tell us how to live but be taught from God's Word the plans He has for our lives and live it. I don't always stick to His plan but He has a way to get me back on track. Keep in touch with God and He will heal our land.
    
    1 John 3:22 and whatever we have asked we receive from Him, because we continue to execute His mandate and keep on doing the things that are pleasing in His sight.
    
    Ps 75:5-7 Do not lift up your horn on high; do not speak with insolent pride. For not from the east, nor from the west, nor from the desert comes exaltation; But God is the Judge; He puts down one and exalts another.
    
    Luke 18:27 But He said, "The things that are impossible with people are possible with God."
Evermyrtle

If he can go along with the latest of Romney I will doubt his Christian value. Tis said that Romney believes a baby conceived in a rape is not a child of GOD??? Nough said!!
- Vladimir
  
  Evermyrtle, do you believe everything people tell you without investigation? You are embarrassingly wrong. You obviously didn't go to http://www.mormon.org as I suggested some weeks ago to get some facts about Romney's belief.
Rebecca Koomans

Ahem, while Mormons may be a bit OFF-track in practice, and beliefs… BUT, 95% of "Christian" churches are in that SAME BOAT with them. That is WHY Jesus told John to write warnings to the 7 Churches (symbolic churches, symbolic sins) and asked all to COME OUT of Babylon (confusion within their beliefs and lacking knowledge of what God wants from His people)… BTW, that warning was also for today's Jews as well, to get back to The Saviour that saved their ancestors from annihilation in70AD in Jerusalem.
- Pastor Dwayne
  
  Try 80% of churches that are headed for hell!
Ruth

My heart is just sick to see that the BGEA has removed the fact that Mormonism is a cult from their teachings….At least there is one minister out there that HAS NOT compromised the spoken word of the Living God, And that is Jack Van Impe ! Jack says on his show every week that in the Last Days there would be Many, Many ministers that would apostisize and fall, Even the Elite of the church….I believe WE just Seen it happen ! What ashame….This whole election has made me realize how very few will really make it when Christ returns, because Christians are soooo willing to compromise their beliefs just to fit in, or. For their monetory gain…If Christ should return the day after the election…What will be your answer to him when he would as you "Why did YOU vote for a non-believer(Whether it be Muslim or Mormon) to lead Your Nation, That I have Blessed soooo abundantly ? Why did you NOT put Your faith and trust in ME ? Is your Soul Not Worth More "? II Chronicles 7:14 If the Grahams would so easily compromise their Christian principles…You can only imagine how quickly the Christian churches and other ministers will falter…It is coming, because is Bibically prophesied….God Help Us, Before it is too late !

gtm615

I personally take this as an implied, but not vocal, statement of support for Romney.. We see him supporting Chick-fil-a (opposed by Obama), supporting marriage amendment in NC. (opposed and forced on public by Obama), opposing abortion on demand (supported and forced on public by Obama) meeting with Romney, promising Romney "I'll do all I can to help you.", and removal of article regarding Mormonism from their web site. Then tells us to "vote for Biblical values".

Gordon

Billy is doing all he can to ensure that there continues to be an America that can espouse biblical values. He knows that Obama could take this country past the point of no return if re-elected. Thank you Rev. Graham for a lifetime of Christian service and for leadership now!
Rebecca Koomans

Amen to that, and may he do even greater than what he has chosen to do so far, for his love of God and Jesus…. no matter what his sins were, or his errors are!

far2right

Might as well.

He certainly is no preacher of the Gospel.

jas1019

According to whom, you?
How many people have come to salvation through your ministry, your life's example, your witness?
Check the bible if you are a believer, and see what it says about humility.

John Adams

I believe that the preaching of Billy Graham has been instrumental in the sending untold thousands (millions) to the eternal torment of Hell. He has been indiscriminate in turning his "converts" over to roman catholics and any other form of religion for discipleship.
There are untold numbers of people who have walked the aisle at a BG crusade or knelt by their TV and repeated the words BG told them to, but have never made a TRUE confession of sin and don't truly trust Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour.

mallen11

Since no unbeliever can pray to God before salvation how can they confess their sins before salvation? That is trying to help God to be saved. All we need to do for salvation is to hear the gospel, understand the gospel (through the Holy Spirit) and believe the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Everything else is classified at works. Faith alone in Christ alone.
Eternal salvation from sin, death and hell is the free gift of God's grace, and is based solely upon man's personal faith and belief in Jesus Christ. He voluntarily died as a substitutionary sacrifice for our sins and arose bodily from the dead, thus guaranteeing our own resurrection to eternal life. This salvation is not received by, nor based on, any sacrament, merit, or good work on our part. This one who receives Christ's salvation is eternally secure. (John 1:11-13, 3:16, 5:24, 10:28-30, 14:6; Acts 16:31; Romans 3:23-26, 5:8, 6:23, Ephesians 2:8-10; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 7:24-25; I Peter 1:18-19, I John 5:11-13)
Ken

Adams, you are a wierdo. What a false conclusion you have come to.
Gordon

"How shall they call upon Him of whom they have not heard, and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Billy Graham has been one of those preachers. I have met many in my life and travels who were saved through his ministry. No, not everyone who walked the aisle and said the prayer were genuinely saved, but many were. That can be said about any preacher and any church. It is the Holy Spirit that regenerates fallen man and sets him on the path of life, but God has chosen, says the scripture, to save people through "the foolishness of preaching"!
- John Adams
  
  I'm not saying that no one has ever come to salvation by hearing BG preach, but I do believe that there are MANY more who have been given a false hope than have truly come to saving faith through the work of BG.
Rebecca Koomans

But Billy Graham at least TRIED with what he KNEW, didn't he? If he didn't KNOW what God wanted fully from him, because his eyes were blinded to some lies that kept him a bit in the dark, that didn't STOP him from TRYING! – At least he had the courage of his (slightly faulty) convictions! (He should read Gen-2 and see what God wanted him to do to PAY all DUE Respects and Honour to God, and become MORE obedient!)
- John Adams
  
  There are MANY who are sincere, but they are sincerely wrong and are still on the way to Hell. Sincerity saves NO ONE!!
patsy1715

It is not our place to judge the new Christian. It is for us to encourage them to follow the Word according to God.

Aristophanes

What is the big deal? Just because Billy Graham is a Christian he should not have political opinions and he should not support the person who he thinks would be best for this country? This is exactly why I, a Christian, am getting so annoyed. Christians get flack if we do not get involved politically and we get flack if we do get involved politically. And we are hearing it from a site called "Christianity Today"!!! Who needs anyone else to make negative comments about Christians – we have a so-called Christian site to do that. Maybe you need to rename your site "Christianity Today"!!!

John J Flanagan

Political issues cannot be avoided, even though many suppose we can separate religious faith from politics. Liberals and progressives in academia and in the media want Christians to stay in the closet and remain private about their values, while they denounce those who do not share liberal values and demonize Christians, Christ, His church, and the Bible. Billy Graham would be remiss if he failed to speak out and support traditional marriage between one man and one woman, and if he ignored the abortion issue. For him to support those candidates who agree with us on these core fundamentals of decency and faith is a righteous act. Free speech and viewpoint expression is not tolerable to the left, and to many in our rapidly declining culture. I encourage Billy Graham, at his advanced age, to continue to speak out, speak often, and prevail as a defender of Christianity, decency, and the right path for our beloved country.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Roy-Maul/100000030675508 Roy Maul

You are right on, John J Flanagan!!!
Bishop Jerry Ogles

Very Godly and reasoned response, Mr. Flanagan. We are involved in a sp[iritual war. In war, we cannot always choose our own terms, but confront the enemy with whatever elements of battle are available to us – the whole armour of God! Whether right or wrong, what man among us would choose one evil for his sons or daughters of dread servitude over another lesser evil of grinding poverty? I will elect liberty over every other condition for my part.
Rebecca Koomans

Excellent choice of words, Mr. Flanagan! – All people who consider themselves to belong to God, no matter their PAST mistakes in voting, should now Take up their case FOR God, and vote for what is RIGHT in God's eyes… This is a form of REPENTANCE which goes along with God's Forgiveness! – I read in FaceBook's page by "Kamaut Longbabilon" very similar ideas and warnings. He is also trying to make other Christians and Churches aware of their past mistakes… NOT to call anyone to his church (he is independent) but to encourage them to change to what GOD WANTS for US!
patsy1715

The worst thing we can do as Christians is to be silent.

Evermyrtle

There is one thing that we know GOD does not change. HE is the same GOD that HE was when He created the world. The things that were evil then are evil today and what was good then is still good today.

Man not only changes he thinks it is in his hands to change GOD'S WORD but he could not be more wrong. Read Rev. 22:18-21 to get what GOD says about changing HIE WORD.

Rebecca Koomans

Good reply! Have you ever considered, that since The 10 Commandments were a SIGN or MARK of God (On His People), that the Decree of Constantine in 231AD, to invite sun-worshippers into church, but on THEIR DAY instead of the day the Christians kept in church until then, is THE MARK of THE BEAST? – As it is a false day OPPOSITE to the ONLY one that God AUTHORISED all followers to KEEP? – And as far as my studies over almost 40 years have shown, there is no evidence that The LAWS have ever been removed or changed by God or Jesus – EVER!. – But far too many churches have been misled, and THAT may be the reason Jesus asked John to write: "Come OUT of Babylon (confusion), my people" (or, the ones who WANT to be My People). God is so patient! … what would an Earthly king do to subjects that refused to obey his own laws? – See what kings did in 1770's in UK… man steals a loaf of bread to feed his kids… he gets executed or sent away for life to the Colonies! I am glad God is MY King! At least He is JUST and FAIR!
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
  
  i never knew a person could make a decree before they were even born. the days of the week were named after the Norse gods, but centuries after the church was worship God on the first day of the week. the Edict of Milan ending the persecution of the Christians was made by Roman Emperor Constantine in 313 AD 82 years after your date. you might be able to fool people who do not know ancient history, but simply researching will show how much of a fool you really are.

Kalev

No political party, that I am aware, fully upholds "biblical values". Even our Constitution does not uphold biblical values, if it did abortion and, so called, gay rights/same sex marriage would have never become an issue.
Billy Graham should be left alone to endorse whomever he pleases. Romney is only slightly better than Obama as both are supported and backed by the NWO folks of this world. It's a lesser of two evils dilemna, but I guess I might just vote for the lesser of two evils – Romney.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1325143250 Audie C. Gates

They wouldn't allow the sincere,honest,uninflated candidate who promised to make things right at the Republican Convention. He was very much like Christ.. rejected by the Status Quo . Our beloved Ron Paul.
- Kalev
  
  Ron Paul would weaken our national defense and make a bigger laughing stock foreign policy, worse so that Obama. He does have strong points but this nation isn't ready to re-embrace Constitutional principals as we have been dumbed down by our socialist education system.

Jay

Has not participating in political process helped Christians?

http://www.facebook.com/people/Peggy-Griffin/100000392233132 Peggy Griffin

God bless Billy Graham for speaking up and reminding people that the Bible should be our guide for living our lives, including how we vote. I definitely will be voting for those I consider to be people who try to live by good Judeo-Christian values. Our country depends on it.

sammymom

There is never going to be a someone running for office that is going to agree with me on everything but by voting for whoever at least agrees with me the most is better than one who does not. If you do not value the life of the unborn then what is next those who are old. Obamacare is going to hurt those over a certain age by not allowing them to receive care. I believe marriage is a man and a women. I also know that the hearts of those who don't believe that way will not change their hearts until they come to know Jesus as Lord and Savior. So I agree completely with Billy Graham that we have to vote for the person who has the most Biblical values. With the way are elections are we basically have 2 choices that have a chance to win to vote for anyone else on the ballot is a wasted vote or a vote that could cause Obama to win which would not be good. If you voted in the earlier elections when it was choosing for the party that is when voting for anyone shows your preference but is this election we have got to vote for the one who has a chance to win and stands for our Biblical values.

mallen11

We are to obey the laws of the land even if we have a dictator such as -0 who will change and make laws that as believers we cannot abide by. What then? We better be ready to stand up for Christ. In the OT their belief system and their government was combined and the prophets spoke out against the wrong type of government. Remember Jeremiah, Isaiah, and the others? I do not follow Billy Graham's ministry but he has the right to speak out regarding politics just like any minister or teacher of the Gospel has the right to do.
God wants us to follow His way of life…

I Tim 2:1-2 First of all, then, I urge that entreaties and prayers, petitions and thanksgivings, be made on behalf of all men, for kings and ALL who are in authority, so that we may lead a tranquil
and quiet life in all godliness and dignity.

Laird

It is NOT political to be against pervert marriage, abortion, and other moral issues! We as Christians need to be involved in rallying in support of Biblical values and against issues that effect the morality of our nation! Not to do so would make us negligent citizens both of America and Heaven!!

Paul Brown

I am so glad the Billy Graham is doing something to help stop this mad man, if we don't stop him he is going to turn this country into an islamic country, and then there will be fighting in the streets and all over. Obummer wants that so he can declare marshall law and become a dictator for life, then we are finished for good.

Ken

And what would be wrong about Rev. Graham expressing his political views? After all he is an American citizen and has the right to vote just like anyone else. He has the right to express his political opinions. When he became a preacher he did not relinquish his civil rights. I say it is about time that he is heard.

jmbs

The Catholic needs to go here, too. Stand for something and say so. The communists, marxists and socialists will not support the Church, any Church (oh and the tax deductions are going away so organized religion should take note please take note) Even Scientologists should be worried! Please tell Christian friends and convince them to vote against that agenda!

Rebecca Koomans

Sure – why shouldn't Billy Graham Ministries push for voting for "Biblical Values"? – As long as he didn't mean some of those written by men into Leviticus, which are our OT form of SHARIAH Laws that some radical Muslims use. (EG: Death penalty for whores, homosexuals, bestiality, adultery, etc., by stoning…. no, silly, not marihuana… rocks!) – It is only FAIR, since the "International Gay Movement" pushes their own dikshytte in politics, or the "Family Planning" pushes their own holocaust of baby torture-murder in the political Arena (and both these also pay very large bribes to get corrupt politicians on side)…

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1398810820 Charlene Burton

Kalev – On what basis do you say that E. G. White is a heretic and an apostate? She was a prophetess, as are many in mainline denominations, and many of her prophecies have come to pass, including the 9/11 incidents. I'm not a 7th Day Adventist, but I won't go so far as to say she's a heretic and an apostate. How much do you really know about her and what she's done or said?

mallen11

There is no spiritual gift of prophecy since the close of the Canon of Scriptures. We have all we need to know in the Bible learned and taught from the original languages. There are only two prophecies for the Church Age: the coming of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the Rapture. We do have historical trends that I believe are happening today taking us closer to the time that Jesus Christ will call His "Church" home and then the Tribuational period begins.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
  
  Jesus said that the Great Tribulation would be the greatest trouble that the Jewish nation of Israel would ever see. how could there be anything worst that what Israel experienced between 67-70 AD. their holy city is leveled to the ground, more than a million dead in just that 3.5 year period, their temple turn down stone by stone as Jesus prophesied just so the Roman could get to the gold and silver that became the mortar because of the fire inside. the survivors of those who stayed carried off into slavery all as Jesus prophesied. we might be living in the last day of the United States of America, but that does not mean that Jesus is returning in our lifetime. many Romans of 5th century thought they were living in the last days all because the western Empire was falling apart. 11th century between the growing islamic threat and 1000 years since Christ first advent many thought they were living in the last days. no man will know of his return and nothing is prophesied about his second coming except that he would return the way he ascended into heaven. there will be no signs for the signs Jesus gives in the Olivet Discourse deal with the destruction of the temple and the end of the sacrificial system. the church age was predicted by the prophets as the Messiah's Kingdom and the millennium.
  - mallen11
    
    Wesley, you can repeat your premise all you want to but it is full of holes and non-Biblical. I am going to heaven when I die, I hope to meet you there.
    This is my opinion about your comments and I will leave it at that…
    
    II Tim 2:23-26 But refuse foolish and
    ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels (controversy).
    The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able
    to teach, patient when wronged, with humility correcting those who are in
    opposition, if perhaps God may grant them a change of mental attitude leading
    to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and
    escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his
    will.
    
    II Tim 2:23-26 But refuse foolish and
    ignorant speculations, knowing that they produce quarrels (controversy).
    The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able
    to teach, patient when wronged, with humility correcting those who are in
    opposition, if perhaps God may grant them a change of mental attitude leading
    to the knowledge of the truth, and they may come to their senses and
    escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his
    will.
    - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
      
      i am not bringing into question the authenticity of prophecy like you and other dispensationalists who claim that the church age was unforeseen while the prophets could prophecy with such detail. Daniel prophesied the events leading up to Antiochus Epiphanies reign and desecration of the temple and the rise of Judas Maccabeus. all i am saying that just because you do not see Bible prophecy as being fulfilled in the Bible does not mean it has not been fulfilled. the spiritual gifts that Paul writes about have not ended. they are just not needed and used quite like the way we read in scripture. Paul tells us that the one gift that we should desire most is prophecy and not tongues like Pentecostals promote. Paul tells us that they are for an as needed bases.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1398810820 Charlene Burton

As for Billy Graham suddenly turning political, doesn't a Christian evangelist also have a right to a political opinion, or to give political advice? To say he doesn't, or that he must be one or the other, is to display a very narrow concept of what a Christian must be. Jesus told us to "occupy until I come." I believe that includes being active in influencing what goes on around us as long as it doesn't interfere with our Constitution and the constitutional rights of others. HOWEVER, in saying that Christians should vote for biblical values, I don't think that applies if the candidate who supposedly is for "biblical values" has also displayed a lack of concern for honesty and integrity in his everyday dealings. I'm referring to Mitt Romney, who claims to be a Christian but has consistently lied, gone back on what he's said, and committed rampant and repeated election fraud throughout the Republican primaries, in virtually every state across the nation, caught on video after video and posted on the internet so that others will know what he's really about. He will say or do anything to appeal to whoever his audience is at a given time, and then change that position the next time he speaks, claiming that he never said or did certain things that the record shows he did say or do. In a case where a candidate claims to have "biblical values" on an issue but displays a contradictory lifestyle, I will vote for the man most likely to protect and defend the tenets of our Constitution, which guarantees our religious freedom, but also the freedoms of other Americans, because I believe that's the proper Christian American stance.

Winston

One thing that bothers me is that by the very statement "the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association (BGEA)" infers that everyone is following the lead of Billy Graham instead of those instituted by Jesus Christ. The Bible is clear on this subject that sincere believers are NOT to be "followers of men" but of only Christ Jesus.

Bill Kother

More prominent Christian leaders, especially black pastors ( who tend to draw less criticism ) need to speak up and be counted on the Lord's side. Christian DO have the same constitutional rights as none-Christians.

Bo Kassa

Anyone, I repeat, anyone who votes for Obama and calls themselves a Christian is a hypocrite. To vote for a person solely upon the color of their skin or their party affiliation is not what a Christian does!!! A Christian vote should be based upon the character of the candidate and the candidate's values, principles and morals as they pertain to Christian principles. Promoting promiscuity (Lema Dunham ad and free contraceptive devices) abortion, life ending consultations and condoning homosexuality while defiling the sacred state of matrimony are not values promoted by Christian people. To deny that this is one nation under God, disrespect the national prayer day, celebrate muslim holidays and show no respect for religious beliefs held by Christians is not a person I want as my President. God will not be mocked, Mr. Obama.

bigbadude

I am greatful he is! Its time we develope an conscious and acxt on it how many lost people die every day!