Nicolas Cage to star in Left Behind remake

Actor Nicolas Cage will reportedly star in what producers hope will be a new, improved movie version of the best-selling, end-times thriller Left Behind.

The project is being developed by Cloud Ten Pictures, which released the first film adaptation of the book in 2000, following it with two other installments from the successful series of novels by Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins—which have sold more than 64 million copies since the first title came out in 1995.

Cloud Ten founder and CEO Paul Lalonde, who was one of the producers of the original, independently made movie that starred Kirk Cameron, is producing the action thriller that will be "in the mold of a classic disaster film" with Michael Walker, The Hollywood Reporter reported. Jay David Williams of Family Screen Partners is executive producing.

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Devasahayam

The first two were ok, the third installment an absolute butchery — kill it!
- Bighoss
  
  All of them are absolute butcheries of the truth–bogus eschatology of the Darbyite-Scofieldian school of scripture twisting!
John Adams

Disgusting.
AntiFederalist

"this man [antichrist] is alive today — alive and waiting to come forth,"
said Hal Lindsey in 1980.

"Somewhere at this very moment, on planet Earth, the antichrist is almost
certainly alive — biding his time, awaiting his cue…," said Dave Hunt in
1990.

"There is no doubt that the antichrist has already been born. Firmly
established already in his early years…," said Saint Martin of Tours in A.D.
397.

The anti-Christ may not be with us today, but there's no shortage of false
prophets on his PR team. He seems to pay pretty good.

Jesus stated clearly that the Great Tribulation would occur during the
generation of people that were alive when he was (Mt. 24:34). That would be the
Destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.

Consistent with this most of the church fathers in the first few centuries
after Christ wrote that Nero was the anti-Christ. So it's probably safer to
conclude that "AntiChrist is buried somewhere on planet earth at this very
moment — today."

See for more details: http://www.america-betrayed-1787.com/second-coming-of-christ.html
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
  
  given how dispensationalists mix antichrist(theological) and the beast of Revelation you are correct about Nero being the beast of Revelation that made war with the saints. antichrists will always exists while people continue to deny the real Jesus Christ found the holy scriptures and in the creeds of Orthodox Christianity.
- NTT
  
  Matt. 24:34 is correct, however that verse is tied into the parable of the fig tree and its' growth! PS. 102:16 says when the Lord builds up Zion He will return in His Glory, Israel has been revealed several times in scripture as the fig tree. So it is the generation that is alive during the building up of Zion, ( Israel ), which started in 1948
  - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
    
    the fig tree has absolutely nothing to do with the modern state of Israel for there is no hidden meaning because it is a simple proverb. there was no story in the parable of the fig tree. Jesus was just connect what he was saying with a wise saying about farming. this year should not even exist if the fig tree represents the modern state of Israel for 40 years have past since both the birth of the modern state(1948) and reunification of Jerusalem(1967).
    - NTT
      
      It is apparent you didn't do as Jesus said, LEARN,, from the parable of the fig tree!!!
      Scripture is very clear, shortly after The Great Tribulation Jesus will return. This did not happen AD70.
      It has been 64 years since modern Israel was again established, about the length of a generation.
      - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
        
        i guess you have some mystical meaning of the red sky in the evening and red sky in the morning parable as well. the fig tree is just like this. it is not a story, just a proverb. it is funny how everything that Jesus said in the Olivet Discourse happened by 70 AD, but somehow the events have absolutely nothing to do with the events being described. given your logic then everything describe in the crucifixion has absolutely nothing to do with the crucifixion instead it is describing Hitler's reign of terror.
      - NTT
        
        Good Gagging Grief
      - Eileen
        
        You are right. Good post.The fig tree is Israel. The genertion that saw Israel reborn as a nation shall not pass away until all things are fulfilled. We are that generation.
      - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
        
        a biblical generation is forty years, which make it 1988, but the year is already 2012 twenty-four years too late already. soon dispensationalism will be dead like the generation that saw the modern state of Israel born.
      - NTT
        
        PLEASE read PS 90 you will find God the Lord cut Israels' life span (generation ) from 120 years to 70 years . Jesus taught in Lk. 4:19 that we can know the acceptable year of His return, SO look out 2018 plus or minus. 1948 plus 70 =2018
        But, remember, the catching away, 1Thes 4:17, happens 7 years or minus . There are some that will give every excuse they can think of to say there is no catching away. What happends at the catching away, the dead in Christ shall rise first , then those, ( in Christ ) which are alive , in a moment in the twinkling of the eye, shall be changed, and rise to meet with the dead , and together shall meet Jesus in the clouds and be with Him forever more. But at the end when Jesus returns to put down all rule, He will send His Angels to gather His elect, still in their physical bodies. So we see two separate events, the end time, (tribulation saints), and the church, dead and alive, caught up (Rapture), and then the man of sin, The anti christ will be revealed, according to Thesalonians.
      - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
        
        Jesus never taught about two separate resurrections for the believer and non-believers. he said, "do not be amazed that all the graves will be open some to live and other to damnation." he is obviously talking about just one resurrection and not three as dispensationalists push. he also taught that the Great Tribulation as only for the Jews. there is absolutely no secret rapture for the main text which you pointed out states that there will be so much noise that it will waken the dead. that means everyone will hear and witness it if the rapture theology is true. i have most of my life still in front of me and am looking forward to having many children and grandchildren. just like the phoenix rises from the ashes, so will what is left of church will rise out of this chaos will see in our world today. church survived the civil war, great depression, and world war ii and it will continue to survive. Jesus told St. Peter that "on this rock I will build my church and even the Gates of Hell will not prevail against it." civilizations my come and go, but the Kingdom of Jesus Christ, which is His Church, will have no end. it crushed the Roman Empire in just three centuries.
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        I guess 1 Thes 4:16-17 is a lie. however I think I know your prob. the 1,000 year reign. At the end of that period it happends just like you say. I think, I could be wrong, but I think you said in a previous post that we are in the 1,000 reign now , if that is the case, you need to go back to 1st grade.
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        NTT is correct!!!!
      - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
        
        i guess you will be hiding in some bomb shelter in 2020 while i work to celebrate the 400th anniversary of the founding of Plymouth Plantation with trip to visit. that will be two years after NTT comes to an end. there has not been a rapture yet and 2018 is just six years away. so where is the antichrist.
      - Bighoss
        
        Dwayne, you need to consider the context of the I Thessalonians passage. Paul was simply answering a question that troubled certain persons in that church. They wondered what had become, and what would become, of their fellow Christians who had died. Paul described the resurrection of these righteous dead, which put their minds at ease. Paul did not trouble himself to discourse on the state of the unrighteous dead, since that was not the issue discomforting the Thessalonian brethren. They required no answer. Thus, those who read those verses and posit from them some outcome for the unrighteous dead are being highly speculative. They need to get information on THAT topic from scripture that actually addresses it, including John 5:28 & 29:
        
        "28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
        
        29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
        
        There is is. The righteous dead and the unrighteous dead are resurrected in the same "hour," according to Jesus Himself. He said that "The hour is coming in which ALL that are in the grave shall hear his voice and will go to their destinies, "they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." This leaves no room for persons to be "left behind" to endure "The Tribulation" or anything else. There is no clearer teaching than this on the simultaneous resurrection of the righteous and the unrighteous and the simultaneous determination of their respective eternal destinies. As for the theological truth in such matters, forget about "Left Behind" books and movies as anything but unscriptural fiction, whether the lead actor is Kirk Cameron or Nicholas Cage or whether the books are written by money-grubbing fundamentalist wing nuts or by the ghost of William Shakespeare.
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        will answer in 3-5 days after I get home.,,,, I have never read or went to any of the left behind movies,,
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        There was a resurrection at the time of Jesus' death, A resurrection in a twinkling of an eye, 1 Cor. 15: 51, 1 Thes. 4:16-17, being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. A resurrection of all that had been beheaded during the tribulation,Rev 20 :4. A resurrection of all the righteous, and unrighteous people Jn. 5:28-29, at the end of the millennium, that became Christians during the millennium and all non-believers of all time Rev. 20:5..
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        Wes ,,,, when you say "secret rapture" is proof you don't read the scriptures and come to this "secret rapture" you came to that thought by studying links to the rapture subject!! I personally , in my studies of scripture have never had the slightest thought of a ""secret Rapture"".. It wasn't til well after I came on this Zionist site have I ever looked at links on diff. subjects!!!!!!!! And so glad I didn't, for looking at a lot of links on diff. subjects, can bring a lot of confusion . After reading your post above. well, it brings a lot of confusion .. sorry.
        
        As for your thoughts on Jesus' coming 100, or even 100s' of years from now, don't come to me begging me to give you some of my oil for your lamp!!!!
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
  
  all you have to do is look at the bank accounts of Tim LaHaye, Jerry B Jenkins, Tommy Ice, Hal Lindsey, Mark HItchock, John Hagee, and other dispensational "prophecy experts" to see how well the pay continues to get better and better. the beast of Revelation has been dead for more than 1944 years and counting while the spirit of antichrist is alive and well because of a church full of bad theology.
Mex Seiko

Yes. They were all mistaken. We Chrstians can get a little bit anxious. i know. but Ahmadinejad is the one who will usher in al Mahdi. He is the 12 Imam of Islam, the Muslim Messiah if you will. The Bible calls him "the Assyrian." That's your antichrist, whom actually, the Apostle talk about 600 years before Islam is invented, and the Bible even before that.
- Pastor Dwayne
  
  He is in the Iranian Parliment as we speak.
  - Mex Seiko
    
    Hi Pastor;
    
    Isn't one of antichrist's names "The Assyrian?"
    - Pastor Dwayne
      
      Mex Seiko,,,very correct, he is also part Persion.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Interesting.
        
        The present Middle-East scenario is telegraphing Ezekiel 38, 39. Most eschatological teachers place the Rapture before the Magog invasion. I have no reason to lean in any other direction. I do think there will never be a Palestinian state. Geographically, in order to have a unified Palestine they'd have to divide Israel. Presently, God frowns heavy on that. Either way, the Magog invasion, or rather destruction (Russia will be destroyed) will resolve the Palestinian problem once and for all, and Israel will be in position to put the rebuilding of the Temple on any treaty negotiation table. There will be no side by side temples on the mount a one of the movies suggest.
      - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
        
        the beast of Revelation was clearly Roman and alive and reigning at the time John was receiving and writing the vision given by Jesus in circa 65 AD. There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must continue a short time. Revelation 17:10 NKJV the temple was still standing which was destroyed in 70 AD. Julius Caesar is the first king for he declare himself dictator for life, and he was followed by five more in his family ascending to the throne with the last being Nero Caesar who blamed the burning of Rome on the Christians starting the persecution of Christians by the Romans. Nero was declared the son of Apollo the Greek and Roman god of the sun.
      - Mex Seiko
        
        Revelation clearly is about events of the end time and not of the past. If Revelation was written c. A.D. 96, Nero and all the Caesars were in John's past, not his future. Antichrist and the Beast are revealed after the Rapture.
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        Amen, Mex
mallen11

These films cause too much confusion and should not even be taken seriously.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
  
  they are nothing more than pure science fiction.
  - Jeff Dixon
    
    The entire bible is nothing more than science fiction.
    - KentPerry
      
      Science is proving the Bible correct, now more than ever before but I wouldn't expect you to know anything about that. I suppose you made that comment because people about to read it for the very first time, will see what you wrote and just throw their hands in the air and say, "Welp! May as well skip reading that book! Jeff Dixon resident punk and faith hating atheist gave it a thumbs down"
      
      Really she said: One of the best selling books of all time in recorded history if not THEE best selling book and this Dixon person has somehow anointed himself as the social conscience of literature and ancient text's?
      
      All 66 books he has claimed are all bunk?:
      
      It would seem so:
      
      Well who is he what are his credentials?? :
      
      Jeff Dixon? He lives in his mothers basement spending most of his waking hours spewing dis-information articulated in his patent Dixonesque, monosyllabic diatribe. A self aggrandizing worthless pissant whom God has forsaken long ago to roam the Internet Discussion Boards basking in his own self importance, having the delusional idea his opinions matter to us or anyone and that his intellect would stagger the imagination of the average creationist's assumed lower IQ. He assumes his debate style is classic and all fact, his science trumps any so called logic of any Christian regardless the Academic Achievement, one can even see Jeff's aura from outer space. Or so he claims.
      
      So in other words,,:
      
      In other words, he's a fool:
      
      Mmmm yes yes,, THAT he is:
      
      Ill take that Bible after all!:
      
      You won't regret it but Jeff Dixon sure will:
      
      I think Jeff Dixon will regret not believing it a Hell of a lot more:
      
      I agree, a HELL, of a lot more,, hehe:
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Science is proving the bible to be nonsense. Just as your comments are.
      - KentPerry
        
        Well SHARE with us oh GRAND POOBAH of infallible Science Jeffery because I happen to know a host of recent discoveries the Bible spoke of that were at first laughed at by early science where todays technology has proven the Bible had it right all along. You see Jeffery baby.. I don't do my science the same way you do,, Googling search query's with words to the effect, "Dirt on the Bible" "Bible Contradictions" "Disproving the Bible" YOU would be amazed how much more scholarly the data you get when you don't intentionally look for garbage, and actually search for answers and the truth. But then again, you're not here to substantiate the Bible, NOOoooOOOo You have already concluded it is just TOTALLY WRONG and want all to know who believe it that they are stupid and YOU are soooo much smarter than they are. HA HA HA Jeff YOU AIN'T A PIMPLE ON MY INTELLECTUAL BUTT! You couldn't think your way through a
        corn maze with a machete. You're a punk and you'll always be a punk. The only reputation you have EVER established here is that you got serious mental issues and apparently NO JOB and NO LIFE because you spend it here trying to look like a big shot when you're just a loser.
        
        Just a lonesome loser.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Oh no, the psychopath thinks I am a loser. What a blow to my ego. Kent, the day you are able to discuss science in any serious way will never occur. And what is your deal with relating everything to your butt? You have a fixation on that part of body.
      - KentPerry
        
        It's never occured with YOU that's for sure and as usual, you offer some excuse why you can't engage in that type of dialogue and as usual, its not any fault of yours ha ha what a punk. You're all talk Jeff, you know it and I know it and now, everyone else knows it. YA JUST CAN'T DO IT JEFF! So keep making an ass of yourself with all your big talk and googled education you cherry pick from all your faith hating atheist websites where their entire world is centered on how best to attack Christians using "Logic and Reason" Ha ha ha ha ha. As to my fixation,, can't deny I have been an ass man all my life but only of the female of our species, Jeff but I get the hint at the weird way you inquire but sorry Hoss, you ain't my type.
        
        Gee,, I'll BET you get that kinda of response
        
        from all the guys,
        
        all the time
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        As with most of what you post, you would be wrong again. But, I am sure that is something you are very used to.
      - KentPerry
        
        Prove it or lose it smartguy
      - Esther
        
        You can't prove 95% of what you have written and those comments may still exist; the other 5% has been removed due to really bad language and made up blasphemies about decent people. I am just being generous with these numbers … the % discarded by the webmaster may be a lot greater.
      - KentPerry
        
        Just as long as it was there long enough for YOU to read it esther, and obviously you did. Other than that, you're done right? Or you got something else you want to bore me with.
      - Esther
        
        Imputation withdrawn for KentPerry. I just received word.
      - KentPerry
        
        http://ultramedia.freehostia.com/idiots_in_denial/bookreview.htm
      - Esther
        
        KentPerry: So far, I do not see why you fight your fellow American, Jeff, because your stance on America is not opposed. I am not done.
      - KentPerry
        
        My Stance on America?
        http://ultramedia.freehostia.com/controversy/heroslikebarrybonds.htm
      - Esther
        
        time for some of the best of America for a good American http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePianoGuys I am not done yet.
      - Esther
        
        Kent: I love your piece on Barry Bonds. Thank you. I appreciate now that you are a passionate American… but you know we are not really that difficult to approach that you need to use the tactics you have… why do you think that of me or anyone… one size hand-waving does not fit all… though you may think you have to just have to develop a the way you feel is most appropriate…
        
        I think your quote is awesome: "history cannot be permanently falsified; the myth cannot stand up to the scrutiny of research; the sinister web will be brought into the light and torn to pieces, however artfully it has been spun." ~Dr. Jakob Ruchti – 1915.
        
        but I can tell you, this can be applied to the book in question between you and Jeff: the holy scriptures.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        It is a stance on America, but it is hardly a coherent one.
      - Esther
        
        You don't distinguish the biblical god from God. Jeff does. And why shouldn't that matter? My ans: Because the former is from the philosophy of men. The latter well, is simply God whom I believe in and have faith in but Jeff will only if there is proof, scientific proof.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I did prove it, you loon. You claimed I live in my mothers basement. My mother is dead.
      - KentPerry
        
        You don't know what proof is do ya Jeff. Just because your mother sucumbed to the neglect she endured under her sons evil care doesn't prove you don't live in her basement. The fact she died only necessitates I rephrase the statement by calling it your dead mothers basement. Even if that was remotely related to the proof I asked for .
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I understand it better than you, you psychotic loon. You claim I live, present tense, in my mom's basement. Since my mom is dead, I obviously do not live her in her basement.
      - Esther
        
        You are totally inappropriate.
      - KentPerry
        
        Thank you esther. It's always nice to hear someone notice my Objective has been met. Coming from you, it only makes the accomplishment that much sweeter.
        
        Now, if only the rest of us gave a crap,,
        
        about what you think.
      - Esther
        
        I keep running across your ranting Kentperry, where you simply ignore mention of the fact authorities in your Calvinist reform organization do not promote absolute knowledge due to scriptural contradiction, in fact, much as Jeff has. Why not address this issue?
      - KentPerry
        
        Sounds to me like ya got your little mind made up darlin, wouldn't want to confuse you with the facts. Besides, there is really nothing to address since nothing you said is true. Frankly you're not worth the attention I have given you already.
      - Esther
        
        Why not address the issue of biblical contradiction? We await your response.
      - KentPerry
        
        You mean there are contradictions in the bible? Such as?
      - Esther
        
        Read Beale, Gaffin, Sproul… you know where to get them
      - Esther
        
        Oh, and read Jeff Dixon… you know where he is, too.
      - KentPerry
        
        I have corrected Jeff Dixon on so many of them he still insists telling them anyway but I'm not going to read some authors books I haven't the time for nor the interest. If you have a contradiction lets hear it or them but addressing an entire book of them,, sorry I have already read the Bible and find no contradictions
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        You have posted many times, but you have never corrected me, you loon.
      - KentPerry
        
        really what he written?
        ultramedia.freehostia.com/politics.bak2/evolution/Eye or the designer.htm
      - Esther
        
        Kent, so far in your book chapter, you do not make the distinction as Jeff does: Jeff doesn't say "I don't believe in God." He says, "I don't believe in the biblical god."
      - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
        
        the age of one of the kings of Judah. there is a whole 20 years difference in his age. how about John having Jesus die on the cross the same day the the passover lamb was to be slain even though he and his disciples already had the passover meal? or how about the number of days Jesus, Peter, James, and John were on the Mount of Transfiguration? Luke says eight while Matthew and Mark say six. the last two cannot be excused as scribal copying error like the king of Judah could be.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Kent, you mean like these things you ignore, you loon?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Kent, you have no idea what a fact is.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        If you ever had it you certainly lost it somewhere, you have become an evil Satan follower, do you worship him, also??? If you do, I can say for you, you are doing a great job for him.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, sorry, I do not believe in any mythical creatures.
      - Esther
        
        kentperrry: I am sure you must be the life of the party at the reform seminaries. I know you must delight your colleagues with scholarship exemplified here in the advance their discipline. You are likely the sort of scholar who actually wrote the early contradictory documents in various languages, with the result so utterly contradictory they are, that finally, it takes a free man of Jeff Dixon's scholarship, who is unfettered by your insults, to state the truth of the matter, that it gives him pause to accept any of your stories as "facts."
        
        But I know from my personal experience, apart from this forum, long before I knew this forum existed, that even your own colleagues, if indeed they call you that, will tell you that it is an ongoing process and they don't know themselves the meanings of the old manuscripts. I can name a few recent texts that I personally own which are great examples of what I am talking about, but since you are ensconced in it already, you know full well what I am talking about.
        
        On top of that, you actually seem to think it is acceptable to debase others until they accept your beliefs, to the point of intimidation. You seen to promote these contradictions as The Word of God, inerrant and sacred, even though reason would tell you otherwise. I have heard scholars in your discipline speak. They give history lessons and never claim to be as knowledgeable as you, often speak quite directly to these points of contradiction that even Jeff has raised, nor are they insulting when a controversial point is raised. And usually no two scholars can agree on the meanings.
        
        You are a sham to think we should believe in you, a psychotic.
      - KentPerry
        
        Jeff is represents every word I have used to describe him. He is, as I said a complete and total loser. If you want to swoon over him, exalt him, lavish praise on him, save your time telling me about it. It only makes you look like a fool to me. Although you may try to conscientiously emulate him attempting words and vocabulary having more than one syllable, occasionally even using them correct in contextual relation to the subject, you aren't the type person I feel the need to argue all the errors in your last post you have as your Profile of me.
        
        You see all of that is of no concern of mine as I understand the influence Jeff Dixon has on your mind. He basks in your unmitigated devotion to him, the way you wait with baited breath his next post where I have seen you cheer with glee over the most inane and banal comments coming from his Satanically handicapped mind.
        
        Not a problem for me.
        
        Curious as it may be why your taste in such a failure, compels you to adore him so like some giddy teenager, I can only speculate. Perhaps you like guys who beat their women or seek his approval like a meth addict does his dealer etc,. But when you refer to him as a MAN and one who is "scholarly",, Well,, at that very moment,., I simply can't take you serious anymore.
        
        It's just to hard to read through the tears, the result
        
        of my uncontrollable laughter.
        
        He is a loser and you,,
        
        are a joke
      - Esther
        
        You haven't addressed the people I mentioned who are superiors in your Calvinist reform organization who would call you a joke. You know what an imagination I have so your must realize how I think they might address your stupidity. You also realize what I said about Jeff Dixon being more in line with your superiors than you are, in fact, in the realm of scholarly research where absolutes are never pronounced due to the presence of contradiction. I need no references or proper grammar or words with more than one syllable stated here in fact because you already know who and what I am talking about. Laugh til your heart's content. Maybe the world will be a safer place than when you are preoccupied with murder.
      - KentPerry
        
        *Ouch*$#!$! You sure put me in my place Esther
        
        Umm can somebody here give her a gold star or a Blue Ribbon,, a Milk Bone Dog Biscuit, or something, anything she can show the girls she invites to her next "Empowered woman Luncheon". hehe
      - Esther
        
        We all await your addressing the issue put to you by Jeff, of biblical contradiction.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        So, share of these examples of today's technology proving the bible was right all along.
      - Esther
        
        @KentPerry: Let's see this: Said KentPerry, "I happen to know a host of recent discoveries the Bible spoke of that were at first laughed at by early science where todays technology has proven the Bible had it right all along."
        
        @jeff_dixon:disqus
        
        @facebook-58215905:disqus
        
        @mallen11:disqus
        
        @34c378155ee99e6d9bb5d1e00a70b5dc:disqus
        
        @philote:disqus
        
        @aaede47128db3bbe8937473bf94050bd:disqus
      - KentPerry
        
        I have seen everyone of those named in your list, hand Jeff Dixon his ass on a platter. Jeff refused to be enlightened. Not a problem for me.
      - Esther
        
        Deal with the many already posted by Jeff Dixon. It is that "bone which needs pickin'" between you two:
        
        'Jeff Dixon • 3 hours ago • parent
        KentPerry: So, share of these examples of today's technology proving the bible was right all along. Let us see what great examples you can offer up. Because I can show examples of how the bible is dead wrong." posted Saturday morning 10/27/2012
        
        Let the games begin
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Yet you refuse to actually post what you think is a rebuttal. How unsurprising.
      - Esther
        
        Don't look now KentPerry… Screwtape is sitting on your shoulder.
      - KentPerry
        
        That's dandruff esther, not Jeff.
      - Esther
        
        No, not Jeff, KentPerry, ScrewTape, you know, the little helper who watches to see as your imputation rights are removed for all your extremely nasty deeds.
      - David
        
        Esther you know your defending a group that call themself jeff dixon? So far I have identify 7 people in the passed 2 years and their only agenda is to attack the US with their religion and its agenda, Yes athiestism is a religion! Yes Kent got out of line and has used uncalled for language but defending the group the jeffs is a problem due to they use worst language than what Kent has,
      - Esther
        
        Sorry David you are delusional to think all of that: Jeff is not a group. Jeff is not a danger to the U.S.A. but is a patriot of the highest order: One reason I know this in particular is that I am a constitutional conservative, extremely concerned that if we set up a theocracy in this country we will be sitting ducks for the muslims to infiltrate and set themselves as the authority. Jeff is an advocate for the secular view where constitutional law, not religion, as stated therein is supreme. He is very particular on this subject so you should ask him. It is my major concern. We in this forum have had extensive conversations about it. I don't recall your ever being there.
        
        Jeff calls himself an atheist, but in fact, sees and exposes contradiction in the scriptures and therefore questions only the existence of the biblical god. He has said time and time again that he is open to reason and proof that God exists. Personally, I think that makes him more of an agnostic. But like me, I don't think he likes to be categorized and I respect that in anyone, not only Jeff.
        
        Next, really David? You see KentPerry as less a reprobate than Jeff? I have seen the filth and intimidation KentPerry spews, I really don't want to tell you what I think about your defense of him. I think its sad. You won't find the worst because they have been deleted. Write the moderator if you don't believe me. See contact at top of page. While there are no posts of Jeff's deleted. NONE.
        
        Suffice to say that I have been a science teacher for over 15 years. As a teacher, my experience is: a knowledge emerges about a person as he shares what he is thinking that is like a crystal clear signature. It cannot be counterfeited. There is only one Jeff. I rest assured of that.
      - KentPerry
        
        Yes I know the CS Lewis play very well thank you esther but my correction still stands, as insignificant an influence as my dandruff on my shoulder is to me, so is Jeff Dixon as screwtape and your suggestion it is anything more than just dandruff. You'll be happy to know my interest in your opinion of my appearance has prompted me to purchase some Head and Shoulders Shampoo.
      - Esther
        
        LOL. The book is better. But you can only blame the little devil (not Mr. Dixon) sitting there that was revealed to me through your ridiculous rantings, except for the one, sir, where you addressed your missing our great country. So I am glad you failed at your dual attempt that time.
      - David
        
        Hey Kent perry liten up and ease up on the language here!! First you wasting time with Jeff dixon because your going against a group that call themself jeff dixons!!
        Also this group are working poppet for satan and they know the bible and twist it to get you going and make you look bad and your starting to look really bad.
        Esther is defending someone that she does not know and hard to get to know because they are a group of people to push a agenda of there own.
        Remember athiestism is a religion and that it is attacking the US and it beliefs!
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        My mother died two years ago, you pompous loon.
      - KentPerry
        
        Gee I hope for your sake she left the house in the trailer park to you jeff old boy. Hate to see you out on the streets again stealing lap tops just so you can waste your extraordinary talents for being a putts here at Zionica
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        And you attack a woman you have never met before. You truly are a psychopath.
      - KentPerry
        
        How can I attack a woman I have never met before Jeff? Not even possible. At least not the way you used to beat the crap out her until she finally died.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        You are a sad little man.
      - KentPerry
        
        Is that so, Jeff,, and just what do you think YOU are hmmm??
        
        the alternative?
        
        You're pathetic Jeff. You're a loser and you'll always be a loser. You aren't here to save anyone from the evils of Christianity and you know a lot less than you think you know and are a lot more stupid than anyone expects from atheist's.
        
        In fact even most atheists would think you're a fool, save for the few groupies you have here showering you with praise as if you were some teen idol on tiger beat magazine. My guess is they are nothing but Jeff Dixon sock puppets, because they prove just as drop dead, dumb and stupid as you, pusscake.
        
        On my Saddest day, Ill still have my faith and that is a hell of a lot more than you got when being a punk ass total jerk to everyone is all anyone can say you've accomplished. You don't like Christians, I get that but on behalf of all of them, I say, what you think of us is none of our business.
        
        We didn't come to you sharing the Good News of Christ, YOU CAME HERE to spread your lies, your socialist godless philosophy of lower standards for morality, queer sex is normal, murdering your own flesh and blood innocent in the womb is a right for all woman, while you slapped your mother around senseless and expect me to believe you are all butt hurt about her dying.
        
        You don't give a rats ass about anyone but yourself Jeff and your only interest here is to antagonize, criticize and confuse those naive enough to let a piece of garbage like you in their head. You're the worst kind of evil moreover you deserve every reprisal every blunt truth, said in the most explicit raw form and from other Christians. While you may have manipulated some into sugary sweet and polite Christian reputation you given them to live up to,, I am not here to be sweet, homicide, I am here to be the Salt. You think you know so much and you don't know a damned thing. You don't impress anyone and you certainly haven't converted anyone as most if not all the Christians here have been around the block enough times to know just what you are and only babes in Christ would be wasting their energy on a reprobate SOB, like you.
        
        You are the snake Jesus calls the viper you are no different than those who put Jesus on the cross and you should be spoken to with as much regard and disrespect because underneath that thin veneer of your phony interests lies your true motives of the most vile and vulgar intent. Some may think I am being harsh but they don't know you like I know you but those with ears that can hear, they understand exactly what I'm talking about and to whom I am speaking.
        
        You wanna call me a sad little man when the truth is you don't what it takes to be a man son, not a damn clue and when it comes to being a man Jeff,,
        
        YOU couldn't even fill
        
        my Jock Strap
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Not interested in your jock strap, Kent. Just like your ass, It is something to avoid at all costs. Your comments are not harsh, for you have nothing important to say. I am sure you consider yourself to be offering something of value, but it is the same psychotic drivel you spew all the time. And while it is true, I came here as opposed to Christians coming to say something to me, the reality is Christians are always attempting to interject their silly and unsupported views into the world. As far as your faith, at the end of the day, as your faith is based on superstitious nonsense, it is worth the same as your jock strap, and that is nothing.
      - KentPerry
        
        Jeff you know you are dying don't you? That you really don't have much time left.
        
        Save your time insulting me I don't care what you think because I know you are incapable of thought . Use your time to get right with the lord Jeff. I may not like you But Jesus Loves you and this may be your last chance.
        
        Don't BLOW IT because when you die,
        
        you're dead for a LONG TIME
        
        Save your response to me
        
        and go to him
        
        as a child
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Everyone dies. Some people die believing in a delusion. Some embrace reality. I know you do not care what I think, psychotic loons do not care about anything except themselves.
      - KentPerry
        
        Quote:" as your faith is based on superstitious nonsense"
        
        Mmmm Nope. It isn't Jeff and that's the biggest problem you got. You see you admitted you came here opposing the Christian belief and THAT I have no issue with. It is your inability to accept those same Christians not agreeing with you REGARDLESS of you unnecessary snide and snarky little remarks. The very first time I started posting here, you couldn't resist adding your opinion about mine and everyone else you disagreed with by labeling our belief using some disparaging remark. Nevermind the questions that would naturally arise like "If you think its all nonsense," and naturally the most common responses, I have seen asked of you, that follow such as, Quote: "I mean what kind of people did you think were going to be here?" OR, "then what are you doing here?" etc.
        
        You usually offer your own reasons for being here and expect us to be satisfied with them and for the most part we are while you on the other hand miss the entire point. No one is against your being here and although you seem to have made it a full time career with many of us wondering where you find the time because either there is an army of atheists all named Jeff Dixon with the same mission of attacking Christians on discussion boards or you simply got too much time on your hands and have some strange obsession about the whole issue. Now I am part of a rather large organization that deals with atheism and atheists but not just any or all atheists but atheists like you. You are a textbook profile of the type of atheist our organization has constructed an advanced area of study as to how best to dispose of you. That is to say neutralize or marginalize them to a degree their influence is examined along with their intentions and we will assign people to deal with some of the better known such as Thunderfoot, Madnessinmysoul, hehe I had come across some photos of Madness as he was one of my assignments.
        
        We had some great debates and I have to say YOU remind me of him a LOT. Not that I think you are him per-se but its amazing how these profilers can be so accurate with their behavior markers. His argument style, the way he seemed to argue like a queer trying to act like they think girls argue etc,. I just had to release a video portraying him dealing with authority figures using one of his photographs
        Although I added makeup and glasses to his appearance for his support of feminists, you will notice the passive aggressive comments, the little digs he makes to the Cop, while he expects him to believe he actually cares about the guy etc,. In the end, you will notice my own opinions on how best to deal with atheists like this going back to my own slogan about atheists being just a punch in the face waiting to happen. It's really quite funny if you knew the guy.
        
        http://youtu.be/wWpNTPjBLxI
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Actually many people are against me being here. The number of times I have been asked to leave is numerous. But what is humorous is that you make a comment and assume no one will call you on it. That is where you keep making a mistake with me. I will call you on your absurd comments all day long
        
        I do not know anyone posting as Thunderfoot and it makes no difference if I did. I laugh at the idea that you had "great" debates for I have "debated' with you before. Your idea of "debating" is to try and demean someone and make them disappear. That may work with some but I could not care less what stupid and idiotic taunts you post. Your entire world view is based on unsupported bible verses.
        
        So you are part of a big organization devoted to dealing with atheism? Big whoop. I have seen your responses and if that is all your organization has to offer, I am yawning.
        
        However, I am sure you believe you are about to offer a punch in the face to atheists. You are psychopathic loon. A punch in the face is the only thing you have to offer as a rebuttal.
      - Esther
        
        Will imputation work for KentPerry the psychopath? I doubt it.
      - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
        
        it is not so much that science is proving the Bible for actually archeology is actually proving the Bible accurate while science has done some help.
      - philote
        
        Kent,
        
        Please have a read of the following verses
        
        1 Cor 13:4-7 (pay special attention to v 5)
        1 Pet 2:21-23 (pay special attention to v 23)
        Col 4:6
        
        Then ask yourself – have you imitated Christ, or even Paul, in speaking the truth in love? Jeff certainly is not one who has received the Lord in faith. But weren't we all like that until God, through His Holy Spirit, convinced us of our sin and we turned to God for His salvation? Doesn't God want Jeff just as much as He wants you, or me, or everyone else? For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son that whoever would believe in Him would not perish but have everlasting life.
        
        Join me in praying that Jeff will yet come to the knowledge of the Truth and place his faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.
      - Esther
        
        Philote: KentPerry is one of the more obnoxious Calvinists around, so desperate to promote his superiority that he will use any method even that of Satan to overcome those he believes are his adversaries. Last time I checked, we were not a theocracy and Calvinists have not been given charge of us as their slaves. KentPerry has mentioned murder several times to Jeff Dixon, most recently with regard to his mother who has recently passed away!
      - KentPerry
        
        So he did kill her? Mmmm figures. Oh Esther, Philote is a big boy, unlike Jeff, he doesn't need you to make up his mind for him, come to his rescue defend him or change his diaper. But if you think it will diminish any favorable opinions he may have arrived at, I guess you gotta do what you're here to do. You GO Girl..
      - Esther
        
        please flag as inappropriate
      - KentPerry
        
        Esther, it should be noted to begin that "men" is a KJV insertion for clarity, and it does in a sense mislead. The "all" here contextually is the flock to whom Timothy teaches, and refers to a single person who is leading no one astray but themselves. This has no relevance to confronting ideological opponents who are leading others away from the truth.
        
        It should be noted that the original Greek has an added part of speech — it says, "avoid THE foolish and uneducated speculations." What "the" is this? It is the PARTICULAR heresy that Timothy is having to deal with in his church. Now obviuosly we could say that the same advice would apply to any heresy at all, and that is fair, though it must be an issue that "produces quarrels". So let's take a closer look at what it is Paul is telling Tim to do and avoid. The word behind "don't have anything to do with" is the same word used in these contexts:
        
        Luke 14:18 And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused
        
        Heb. 12:25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven.
        
        So in essence, Paul is telling Timothy to steer clear of the heresy and by extension, the heretics. In other words, it is a Proverbs 26 piece of advice. This is a case of advice in terms of personal, one on one relationships — it has nothing to do with public forums, or places where the "speculators" are trying to spread their ideas. Socially this meets with the ancient practice of not associating with those who are not part of your ingroup. This indicates the following dichotomies:
        
        Private/questioner — teach them.
        
        Private/baiter — avoid them.
        
        Public/questioner — teach them.
        
        Public/baiter — attack them.
        and that is why I do.
        
        This is in line with the much broader dichotomy between public and private discourse and encounter in the social world of the Bible.
        
        A rather naive response to this distinction between public and private address is that the distinction isn't explicitly found in the text. This sort of response is illicit on multiple counts. First, it enables criticisms by other groups that certian things are also nout found in the text explicitly (eg, JWs re the Trinity; atheists re Jesus in certain OT prophecies). Second, it ignores the fact that as a high context setting, the distinction is something that would be taken for granted and did not need to be made explicit in the text. Third, it is manifest that this distinction is clearly being practiced and observed in the NT (eg, private-private in Timothy, public-public in Matthew 23). if it is not, there is no way to explain such things as Jesus engaging the Pharisees with insults that does not make Jesus out to be a hypocritical bully. The denier of this distinction is forced to enter into absurd gyrations and special pleading ("it just HAPPENS to look like that, but it isn't") for the sake of a desired conclusion.
        
        "Jesus only attacked fellow Jews. He reserved his attacks for 'insider' criticism."
        
        The argument assumes that if Jesus had encountered an atheist or a pagan who attacked the truth or his ministry, he would have been nice to them, unlike his reaction to the Pharisees. This is merely a contrived defense. Jesus' interaction with non-Jews was minimal and none of those he encountered presented themselves as opposing the truth or opposing Jesus. There is no data pool to speak of to decide that Jesus would not have attacked a pagan critic of the truth as he attacked the Pharisees.
        
        Besides that, the Pharisees WERE "outsiders" in terms of their social ingroup — they were not Jesus' disciples. This objection also defines "insider" too broadly.
        
        "But we should be all things to all men and modify our approach for today's culture."
        
        Then it's time to give up blood atonement too. No, modern culture has forbidden riposte as a way to prevent deserved criticism and to silence the critic. To that extent, the culture itself is sick and those who reject valid riposte are themselves aiding and abetting the sickness.
        
        "Attacking people this way is prideful."
        
        For some, it may be. For others, pride has nothing to do with it.
        
        "Matthew 5:22 disallows addressing others, especially believers, as fools or with other such names."
        
        Matthew 5:22 is irrelevant to this matter for a number of reasons. First, it is clearly an about relations with one's brother (not physical brothers, of course, but fellow believers) and about words said in anger to that brother. Thus it would not forbid addressing eg, atheists as fools. Even then, however, it would be foolish (irony intended) to apply this to calling anyone — even fellow Christian or putative Christian — a "fool" or a moron or stupid today. The contextual connection here is to Ps. 14:1, which says, that the fool says that there is no God. Thus the idea would be that we are not to call other Christians deniers of God. Within the full-orbed context of this passage — Judaism — this has no bearing on our modern word "fool" (or related words) which are used to indicate that a person is showing a lack of intellectual acumen, or is acting foolishly in some other way (eg, throwing away money gambling).
        
        To conclude this results in patent absurdities: Why would it be wrong to assess another Christian's intelligence with this specific word — yet quite all right for Jesus to address Peter as "Satan"? Without the context of Ps. 14:1, Jesus' command amounts to a senseless legalist absurdity that allows Christians, by example, to address each other with the name of the being who epitomizes evil and rebellion against God, but denies that they are able to question the intelligence and acumen of that same believer. On the other hand, it makes perfect sense that we would not be allowed to judge another believer by calling them what is in essence "non-believer" — which in essence amounts to denying that God has the power to save those who make professions of faith.
        
        Beyond this, it is fair to note that this warning is about persons who are angry. It may not occur to those with less maturity that satire sarcasm, ridicule and riposte may be delivered calmly, rationally, and for targeted strategic purposes (eg, shaming those who err and mislead or simply to inform one of his utter stupidity).
        
        Of course, those whose agenda forbids the use of external contexts to define this passage will use the excuse that none of this is specifically stated in the text. However, such persons have no real reason in this to reject the argument and are merely objecting because they are offended by the possibility that such words as "moron" truly apply to them precisely because they lack intelligence; and what we say elsewhere here of "it's not in the text" applies as readily here as it fits the one called the Jeff Dixon group of sock puppets
      - Esther
        
        KentPerry: When I got the part where it said "it depends on the meaning of the word the" it stopped me in my tracks, and I had to say something. Do you know what this reminds me of? And you talk about Jeff obfuscating? LOL KentPerry, I need a better reason to spend my time.
      - KentPerry
        
        You know, esther, I am a Presbyterian, grew up Catholic, John Calvin seems to really get you riled and I don't really feel responsible for your utter disdain of Calvinist's. When you spoke saying i"it stopped you in your tracks,, I have no idea what it is you are talking about. You said I used the word "the"?
      - Esther
        
        Yes, it reminded me of Bill Clinton: depends on what "is, is" … deja vu. I have not gotten back to the comment … I intend to though. I just completed the one on atheism. I am a bit tired so I won't risk saying anything. You really took the wind out of me … Missing America… I grew up Catholic, great childhood, cars, sports, disciplined school, limits, … and now muslims, religion, abortion, gay right, questionable safety, sky-high debt on our children, etc… and yes, Calvinists do rile me long before I knew about zionica. Tomorrow I talk about atheists.
      - KentPerry
        
        Yeah I write a lot, or used to and about issues I care about, animals dogs cats kids, etc https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ZsEZUs2ZHNX97EpcDknoNqlt2EP1F-saQ0tSaDYtFtE/edit
      - Esther
        
        Talking to you is like walking a tightrope without a net, which I have never done and never want to do, so at the risk of your throwing me off, again, I want to tell you that I see even atheists as your brothers and you shouldn't treat them so niggardly. I just want to defend an American's right to believe or not believe as he sees fit. I know! You justified well the passion practitioners of your faith may use in tactics as you use against them. I understand. I just don't accept it as really Christ-like behavior. I am really afraid to tell you where I stand here. I don't want to be the cause of any more of your anger. You think it is the religious thing to do. I get that. But I do not agree with that.
        
        Yet, Kent, I can see that you are Presbyterian, and coming from the discipline of a Catholic family, with Jesuit priests as teachers perhaps, I am not surprised at your brilliant analysis of the scriptures. It is exhausting to me to see how the bible is so thoroughly investigated, as you have demonstrated here.
        
        I wish you would find some reasonable way in the scriptures. How about forgive them for they know not what they do?. I know. There is no such reasonable way. Ironically that is the atheist point also. I understand.
        
        There are several other alerts from you.
      - KentPerry
        
        Philote, do you know Jeff Dixon that well? Have you ever introduced yourself to me? Do you just assume I am speaking to Jeff Dixon in the manner I will continue to refer to him as the vermin SOB he is simply without provocation or perhaps observing him for years on these boards. You aren't going to earn his respect, you aren't going to lead him to Christ, you aren't going to correct him when he is wrong and he isn't going to admit he is wrong much less be anything more than a pain in your ass. He will get you to spin your wheels waste your time, mock you, ridicule you, persecute you and all the while he will believe he is educating you and in many ways he is.
        
        You were thoughtful enough to cite some scripture and I appreciate your kind consideration, but like you, I believe in giving everyone a measure of respect.
        
        Until I discern they are what Jeff Dixon is. Now you may find my methods unChristian offering some kind Christian like behavior to live up to, but as much as I do not seek the approval of reprobate atheists like Jeff Dixon, I do not seek yours either. In fact, I believe your advice as well intentioned as I know it to be, is the biggest mistake Christians allow themselves when dealing with such children of the grave as Jeff Dixon has proven to be. He is what I call "The walking Dead" so determined is his angst of God an FOR GOD, so committed to his mission to disparage and denigrate all Christendom, is his intent, he is without a heartbeat and is here merely to entertain himself at what he believes is our expense.
        
        He will talk an average atheist game about science and that God, any God or prime mover, doesn't exist. Of course, it is not possible to prove that all possible gods could not exist, since we do not possess all possible facts. But Jeff doesn't care about facts much less be convicted by same. He is here to BLUR the truth an confuse the facts and albeit true he always fails, it is important that he hears Christians tell him who he is and what he is. Only on rare occasions do I speak of atheists in this way. You suggested I pray for him., to me this is as ridiculous a request as any I have heard when atheist author "xtopher hitchens" was diagnosed with cancer and Christians suggested we pray for him.
        
        Knowing how Hitchens was and why he got throat cancer to shut him up., was a clue he missed and missed purposely while scoffing at the thought of such an outrageous claim. He was completely lost in his delusion as in Romans and God left him bask in it. The lord loves THOSE he came to save and NO,, I never in my life even before I became a Christian went out to shopping malls at Christmas pulling the beard off Santa Clause to prove he didn't exist. I just don't hate Kids and Parents the way Jeff Hates Christians and God,.
        
        Jeff demands 100% proof yet accepts that pathetic pile of piltdown paleontology and faux fossil fabricated fraud called evolution. If he had 1% of any proof he would accept it as Gospel, ALL OF IT and HE DOES .
        
        Atheist's say, “Show me, and I’ll trust you.”
        
        That ain't the way God Rolls, Philote.
        
        God says, “Trust me, and I’ll show you.”
        
        If God doesn't exist, they have nothing to fear but if he does,, well thers the rub,.they just can't do it. Call it fear call it childish, call it stupid whatever, those are cheap excuses because the fact is they don't want it proven. Fool that he is and Naive as you are to me .. You suggested I try to be more like Jesus and then you said "even paul" Well,, Those two in todays climate of debased depravity, would have been MUCH worse to Jeff addressing him with much harsher language. Most Christians mean well when they defend their faith. But too often, many make fundamental errors when dialoguing with atheists.
        
        We need to make as few errors as possible, not simply to win an argument, but to help the atheist come to a saving relationship with the Lord Jesus I agree.
        
        However, there come times when it is appropriate to label atheists in a manner that is consistent with their behavior. Though our goal is to win them to Christ, unfortunately, too many of them care nothing for serious dialogue and seek only to malign Christianity and our Lord Jesus. If, after you have tried to communicate to them the truth of Christ's work and they continue to speak evil of the Lord and Christianity and they continue to misrepresent the faith, then it can be appropriate to be tougher. First of all, Jesus was harsh and said people were lacking in understanding (Matt. 15:16), serpents and vipers (Matt. 23:33), perverted (Matt. 17:17), etc. Paul said of those who denied God that they were of depraved mind, evil, full of envy, causing strife, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, etc., (Rom. 1:28-32). So, when its time, when they continue to refuse to be polite and respectful, and you realize they are only seeking to harm the faith of Christians, then it is time to speak the truth to them.
        
        Most Christians mean well when they defend their faith. But too often, many make fundamental errors when dialoguing with atheists. We need to make as few errors as possible, not simply to win an argument, but to help the atheist come to a saving relationship with the Lord Jesus.
        
        However, there come times when it is appropriate to label atheists in a manner that is consistent with their behavior. Though our goal is to win them to Christ, unfortunately, too many of them care nothing for serious dialogue and seek only to malign Christianity and our Lord Jesus. If, after you have tried to communicate to them the truth of Christ's work and they continue to speak evil of the Lord and Christianity and they continue to misrepresent the faith, then it can be appropriate to be tougher. First of all, Jesus was harsh and said people were lacking in understanding (Matt. 15:16), serpents and vipers (Matt. 23:33), perverted (Matt. 17:17), etc. Paul said of those who denied God that they were of depraved mind, evil, full of envy, causing strife, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, etc., (Rom. 1:28-32). So, when its time, when they continue to refuse to be polite and respectful, and you realize they are only seeking to harm the faith of Christians, then it is time to speak the truth to them.
        
        Political Correctness has so infected the Church that even Christians tell me my words are of hate. That hate speech is not the way to lead Jeff to Christ.
        
        I speak the truth but truth is always hate,
        
        to those that hate
        
        the truth.
      - Esther
        
        KentPerry is a pseudo-Christian. His response to your plea, Philote, is the proof.
      - KentPerry
        
        Don't know if you guys have ever heard Esther speak but she actually pronounces "Pseudo Christian" like its spelled saying: "Puh Sue Doe". Its really cute. I didn't have the heart to tell her the correction.
      - Esther
        
        pseudo/ˈso͞odō/
        Adjective: Not genuine; sham.
        Example: KentPerry is a pseudo-Christian
    - philote
      
      If you don't believe in the Word of God, you might call it fantasy – but not science fiction.
      
      Fortunately, all you have to do is change your mind (repent) and you'll discover it's neither Fantasy or SciFi, but a marvelous revelation of the Infinite God.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        This is gods asinine cure for leprosy in the bible. Since it involves medicine, which is science, it is science fiction.
        
        Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly away. Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient’s right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe. Repeat. Finally find another pair of birds. Kill one and dip the live bird in the dead bird’s blood. Wipe some blood on the patient’s right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle the house with blood 7 times.
        – Leviticus 14:2-52
      - philote
        
        Instead of pasting in verbatim a bad and completely misleading paraphrase from someplace like fuzzyquark, why not examine the scriptures themselves? Try reading Leviticus 13, then Leviticus 14. Pick your favorite translation – KJV, NASB, NIV, NLT…
        
        1) FIrst we can recognize that what was translated to English in the KJV as "leprosy" is, by all descriptions in context (see Leviticus 13), a skin disease, and not the nervous system disease we know as leprosy today. The skin disease could get worse, or diminish, and could spontaneously clear up as well. There is no remedy or cure for this "leprosy" mentioned in the Bible – other than miraculous cures provided by God such as in the case of Naaman (2 Kings 5:1-19) or the lepers that Jesus cured (Luke 5:12-16, Luke 17:11-19). As long as someone exhibited the skin lesions and other traits that accompanied the affliction they were pronounced "unclean" and had to be separated from the people, so it wouldn't spread. (Leviticus 13)
        
        2) Leviticus 14, and specifically verses 2-52 which were so badly paraphrased in your response, is not a treatment nor a cure for leprosy, and it doesn't claim to be one. It is the ceremonial process (ritual) that one who HAD the skin disease/leprosy, but no longer does, undergoes at the hands of the priest to show that he is now clean (no longer has the leprosy) and is able once again to join his family and his brethren in their daily lives
        
        3) As it was a ceremonial cleansing, God used it to remind the people of the seriousness of sin. The message is that, like a leprous person, a man with the disease of sin is unclean and separated from God. This is seen when the lamb (the guilt offering) is required to be slain and its blood applied to the person who is being declared clean. This pictures the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus, the Lamb of God, the Son of God: "The blood of Jesus Christ, His Son, cleanses us from all sin".
        
        I'll continue to pray for you, that God will yet soften your heart and open your eyes and ears so that you will see and hear the Truth and receive the gift of eternal life through faith in the finished work of His Son, applied to you.
        
        Thanks for listening
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Which makes it even more absurd as advice. A ceremonial cleansing as opposed to an actual cure. There are options about what an all powerful god could do if he actually existed. He could eliminate leprosy and other skin diseases from existing so that they did not actually plague mankind. He could tell the people how to actually cure it. But no, the bible does not say that god did that, because there is actually no god behind the stories. People wrote them with the information they had available to them at that point in time. They did not offer a real cure, because they did not know how to cure it at that time. That was left for people to determine, which, by the way, we did. Not from idiotic advice from the bible, but from science.
        
        You can pray for me all you like. It will not change the reality of life.
      - KentPerry
        
        Most atheists assume that a personal God would only create a universe that is both good morally and perfect physically. However, according to Christianity, the purpose of the universe is not to be morally or physically perfect, but to provide a place where spiritual creatures can choose to love or reject God. To live with Him forever in a new, perfect universe, or reject Him and live apart from Him for eternity.
        
        It would not be possible to make this choice in a universe in which all moral choices are restricted to only good choices. One cannot choose between good and bad if bad did not exist. It's an amazing simple logical principle.
        
        There are two kinds of evil Jeff and you assume Evil doesn't have a purpose the sickness we suffer that you mentioned are part of Natural Evil. Earth Quakes, Tornados, ChickenPox Typhoid, Malaria. You assume because these things happen, God doesn't exist. Fine, if that is how you want to deny it, not a problem for me.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, most atheists do not assume that since they do not believe any gods exist. However, the Christian viewpoint is that the biblical god loves them and wants the best for them. Therefore, when it is shown that the world is not set up for people to experience the best, they wonder why the biblical god has left them alone.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Satan comes quoting scriptures!! He was an angel in heaven and was cast because evil. At the end of time he will be cast in the blazing fires of hell.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        Let me try that again, Satan cometh quoting scriptures, He was an angel in heaven but was cast out onto the earth because he was evil and wanting to take the place of GOD. At the end of time he will be cast into hell.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, people write fables about satan and god.
  - Pastor Dwayne
    
    A lot of it is based on the Word!
Scott Swigart

Screw the 'remake'. Time for movie number 3 in the series!!!
What is this? Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah….I can do do it better than you! (said in child's teasing voice)
Esther

It is just a story made-up in Hollywood. Too bad it can't all be kept in perspective.
philote

(sigh)

While the Left Behind series is a dramatically developed (and loose) interpretation of what events in the Great Tribulation MIGHT be like for those on the earth at that time, this choice of actors is a poor choice for LaLonde and Cloud 10.

Ghost Rider, The Vampire's Kiss, Sorcerer's Apprentice, Season of the Witch….Left Behind.

Completely removes any credibility to take Left Behind seriously/religiously.
http://www.facebook.com/arthur.graves1 Arthur Graves

from Kirk to Nicolas?