Undecided voters? Check the pulpit

Pollsters and politicians hunting for the rare and elusive undecided voter might want to train their sights on the pulpit.

A whopping 22 percent of Protestant pastors haven't settled on a presidential candidate, according to a survey released earlier this month by LifeWay Research. By comparison, just 4 percent of all likely voters remain undecided, according to Gallup.

The undecided pastor trend doesn't appear to be a one-time fluke. A similar survey conducted in October 2008 also found that 22 percent of pastors hadn't chosen between Obama and then-GOP nominee Sen. John McCain.

The survey of 1,000 Protestant pastors was conducted Sept. 26-Oct. 3 by LifeWay Research, a division of LifeWay Christian Resources, which was founded by the Southern Baptist Convention.

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Beats me how a supposedly Christian pastor could still be "undecided" at this point. Obummer is a true unbeliever and a devout Muslim. What's to be undecided about,
- molly way
  
  THIS IS SO TRUE!
  
  THAT PASTORS ARE SO UNDECIDED- THEY ARE NOT TRUE PASTORS- THEY ARE FAKES- LEADING PEOPLE- TO BE LEFT BEHIND.
  
  I HOPE THAT 'ALL CONGREGATIONS', USE COMMON SENSE, AND CLEARLY UNDERSTAND- WHO DOES- AND DOES NOT WORSHIP- ONLY, THE ONE TRUE GOD, AND THAT HE IS THE GOD OF ABRAHAM/ THE FATHER OF JESUS.<
  
  IT IS NOT A DIFFICULT DECISION.
  
  ONLY- THE HOLY BIBLE OF GOD ALMIGHTY- SHOULD CHRISTIANS BE READING FROM.
- John Adams
  
  While it is true that obama is a terrible blight upon the country, we MUST realize that romney is NOT perfect and has some MAJOR problems that we CANNOT ignore. Both major party candidates are big-government guys, both have supported government health-care, both have supported abortion, and both have supported queer marriage.
  - edc
    
    This would not have been a problem if pastors < in the past, would have stood up for right and not allowed the IRS and other government agencies intimidate them into silence. We could be voting for a Christian from a traditional church. Romney says he is a Christian and I can not know his heart, only God can know that. But, at least Romney has a decent lifestyle to back up his claim, unlike pretender in the White House.
    - John Adams
      
      While I have NOTHING good to say about obama, romney is a dedicated mormon, and therefore is NOT a Christian!!
      - Paula
        
        So then ask yourself this: who lives the more "godly" life?
      - John Adams
        
        Only a truly born-again Christian can live a godly life. Therefore, neither of them.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Is a truly born again Christian sinless?
      - John Adams
        
        Not sinless, but forgiven and growing in righteousness.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        That comment is just nonsense. If all men are sinners, it is impossible for these sinners to be growing in righteousness.
      - John Adams
        
        As one grows in righteousness they sin less and less.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        GODLY? Neither! You are either for HIM or you are against HIM.
      - Vladimir
        
        Congratulations, Evermyrtle, you will be in the aspirin zone in 3 to 5 years. Under nationalized/socialized medicine at your age you will be only eligible for aspirin to ease the pain of your dying. No treatment, no pace maker just a death panel deciding you have outlived your usefulness to society and not worth the expense of proper care.
        
        It may sound cruel, but a socialist economy can't produce the wealth necessary to care for the elderly and the able-bodied. So guess who gets short shrift.
        
        And don't think this wasn't planned. When the government steps into the market place, it eventually drives out all competition. The government will eventually become the sole provider of your health care. Goodbye, Evermyrtle. But don't worry, we'll all be joining you sooner rather than later.
      - beaglesmom
        
        Romney may be a Mormon, but we are not trying to elect a Pastor..we have to pick the lesser of the two evils..Romney knows business, Obama has never so much as run a snowcone stand. Obama has shown his disrespect for America by bowing down to dictators and apologizing for America. I've never seen Romney do anything but praise this country. And not only that, but Obama turned his back on the Ambassador and the Seals in Bengazi..he is responsible for those 4 deaths, as he watch from the White House while they were being attacked and did nothing. He still won't discuss it to those in Congress who want to know why he did what he did. Obama is not fit to run this country 4 more years..he will run it into the ground.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
        
        Constantine was a catechuman for years before he was baptized. Technically, he wasn't even officially enrolled as a catechuman, and kept darting back and forth between leading a Christian life and being a pagan, but despite his flaws, he did love God and justice, and when confronted with his own mortality, he abandoned all pretense and double-mindedness in favor of being baptized as a Christian. When he asked for baptism, he was already gravely ill, but he pledged that should he recover from his illness, he would live as a Christian, but above all he wanted to make sure he was right with God before he died.
      - Bighoss
        
        The entire concept of the "catechumen" (note correct spelling) status is un-Biblical. Read your New Testament. How much catechizing did the Ethiopian eunuch need? See Acts 8:26-40.
        
        Catechuminizing is nothing but a device used to inculcate Catholic heresies into receptive but naive minds.
      - John Adams
        
        As a Christian, I don't believe that I can vote for evil at all, even when it is the lesser of available evils. The Bible tells me to abstain from all appearance of evil.
        The economy is NOT the most important issue in this election. The moral decline of this nation is the most important issue. I don't think that God will allow our economy to get "good" until/unless we repent of our national sins.
        As God allowed the enemies of Israel to triumph over them at times as punishment for their sin, God may do the same to us.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Since ALL men are considered to be evil, just who can you actually vote for?
      - John Adams
        
        While it is true that all men are sinners, I don't believe that those who have received Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Saviour are any longer evil, as those who without Him are. All men without Christ are evil; Christ DOES make a difference!!
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Sin is sin. If all men are sinners, then all men are doing evil.
      - John Adams
        
        Yes, sin is sin, and committing sin is evil. However, not all of those who sin are evil. Those who are without Christ ARE evil. Those with Christ commit evil. There is a MAJOR difference.
      - edc
        
        I did not say he was Christian, only that he has a "decent lifestyle". Many of our best past presidents were not Christian, but lived a decent clean life and this allowed America to become great.
      - John Adams
        
        What made America great was the fact that we honored God and His Holy Word, the Bible. Our decline began LONG ago.
      - Vladimir
        
        If, as you say, our decline began LONG ago, why aren't you doing your part to turn things around? Get out and vote for the Christian. Otherwise you won't be cancelling a vote for the Muslim.
      - John Adams
        
        Neither major party candidate is a Christian. I shall be voting for a Christian; Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party.
      - Tom K.
        
        @ John Adams : Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of the Later Day Saints. Obama is a " member / representative " of the Radical Islamic Muslims who MUST convert or Kill every Non-Member.
      - John Adams
        
        I believe those facts alone prohibit me from voting for either of them.
      - Vladimir
        
        Let me say it again, John Adams. If good people like you refuse to vote, only evil people's votes will be counted. You, who have the right and duty to vote will be supporting the worst candidate by not voting for the better candidate.
        
        Your hiding behind some perceived interpretation from the bible is exactly what Satan is hoping many Christians will do. Don't serve Satan. Vote for Romney.
      - John Adams
        
        I have every intention to vote, however, I will not be voting for either major party candidate. I shall be voting for Virgil Goode of the Constitution Party.
      - Vladimir
        
        So you went with Satan. Too bad.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        I am so glad that GOD will judge me, and not you. You think you have the right to decide for yourself and all others. It doesn't work that way.
      - Esther
        
        We will see who gets to the pearly gates. I don't think it will be anyone who supports a vote for a Muslim and that is what You and he are doing.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No one is "getting' to the pearly gates. However, we shall all have to live with the results of this election.
      - Esther
        
        A euphemism, the kind even atheists often amuse themselves with where "mormons" are concerned, for the tribal curse of lying.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Why? You judge people all the time. When you make decisions that impact the direction of the USA, you will be judged by people. Get used to it.
      - Esther
        
        Not at all. Vladimir shares his knowledge with you and you continuously disrespect him for it.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        You got it wrong he is not going with you he is going with GOD, the one that has been with us for all eternity, not the Joseph Smith one..
      - Esther
        
        He is going with the Muslim
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        They got it completely right. Every vote for a third party was a vote for Obama.
      - Esther
        
        Yep. He is going with the Muslim.
      - John Adams
        
        No, I didn't go "with satan"; I obeyed God and didn't vote for evil, even a lesser evil.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        You are either for the CREATOR or you are against HIM. There is no in between. I do not know if Romney follows Joseph Smith or not. If he follow Joseph Smith he is not even GODLY to say nothing about a Christian. . I sincerely hope he has thrown Joseph Smith out the window That man was a limb of Satan. I have read some of his writings. If I knew that Romney rejected Joseph Smith I could accept him a little more really
      - Vladimir
        
        Evermyrtle, have you been going to those naughty websites I warned you about? It sure looks like it. One thing we can count on is that Evermyrtle won't listen to truth that can be confirmed by God. She prefers feeding her preconceived notions fed to her by equally ignorant and arrogant deceivers.
      - Esther
        
        EXACTLY
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Nonsense.
      - Esther
        
        Not NONsense on the comparative stage. The one concession I give you in regards to Vlad's comment: Substitute REASON FOR HIS WORD GOD. DO I HAVE TO MAKE THAT ANY CLEARER?.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Of course it is nonsense. You are trying to argue issues about a god that no one has seen or can agree on who or what he is. You have to make it substantially clearer.
      - Esther
        
        The Saints do not worship imperfect men. They do not worship Joseph Smith or Mitt Romney. They are holding out for reason to confirm there is a God and the humble man who taught by parables did exist. I do believe it is a valiant hope however terrible the actual lack of true evidence.We are not expected to believe what is not true. We have a higher standard and I think that is the standard that many pseudo-Christians neglect to their peril and which I struggle to explain. The point is we are different and undeserving of the same emptiness that even I can see in comparison, in so many ways. .
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        I did not say you worship imperfect men. I said you believe in a god that no one has ever seen or can agree on who or what he is. You are completely deserving of the same requirements of any religion. The fact that you do not want to agree or accept does not change that.
      - Esther
        
        I know you did not say that: It is a reference to the beliefs Evermyrtle and John Adams whom I was addressing in defense of Vlad's position, there are many others here like them, spreading ridiculous things that I know the Saints do not believe. It is their hypocritical stance that so unnerves me, to the point they will support a muslim over Mitt Romney. I will not see what they do and not stand by the Saints even Vlad. Evermytle is the classic southern "soft bigot". I know many of these people whose first question is where do you go to church. What follows that may be the loss of a job. You have no idea the insidious nature of these people. Whether Vlad said God or to me the more appropriate word "Reason" the pseudo-Christians fail the test, the Saints do not..
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        When you make a statement that Saints do not make the same mistake that "pseudo-Christians" make, you show that you are willing to make the same mistake that all religious people make. You believe that your version of god is better than the other views. However, that belief fails for two reasons. First, you cannot show that your belief is anymore factual than any other religious belief. Second, you have not shown how the Saints are actually embracing reason.
      - Esther
        
        There are two sides of this issue. Pick one. I chose the side that the possibility that God exists, and I welcome the proof when and if it comes. I stand on that side of the possibility. You stand on the other side of that possibility that god does not exist but you would welcome the proof that he does. At least that is my understanding what you have said several times.. I feel in my heart He is there. If I deny the possibility, I feel alone and distraught. Do you understand? That is a real thing that happens inside of me. That is a totally personal experience that claims no reasonable proof, and a standard to which I hold no other human being. I believe that over these 14 years I have accepted the saints religion as my own, that this position is shared. It is personal however and not even discussed.
      - Esther
        
        John Adams is right, the republic is gone.
      - Esther
        
        lol Jeff: "You are completely deserving of the same requirements of any religion." Jeff's words. It is only the atheist who is requiring such proofs!!! The "proof" Petroskhan, Mex, Evermyrtle, John Smith et al., require is just a resprouting of erroneous matter from a book that has found to have gross errors by Joseph Smith (a man we like, not worship as these "Christians" think we do) who found over 2000 errors in the bible before he was killed by people like them, and also — I have discovered — by an atheist, by you. So who are the atheists to require proof while not giving proof of their "feelings" which obviously have an impact in their lives as much as it has upon others, including this one saint, in my humble opinion?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        It is impossible to show proof for something that does not exist. It is not up to the atheist to try and show that something that no one has seen or can even agree about actually does not exist. It is up to the people who claims it does exist to show that, in fact, it does.
      - Esther
        
        Please try to understand this Jeff: When I talk about proof it is to me, myself and I. I don't care who believes me or not. I want to have my own personal relationship with God. You really want to open me up to criticism. I don't appreciate it. What I have in my heart is not for everyone to share and that is no different than an atheist drawing the line, as I have seen Sam and Dawkins do, they will not talk about matters of the heart.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Sam Harris does talk about matters of the heart. I am trying to open you up for criticism . I am pointing out that you say that pseudo Christians refuse to acknoledge inconsistencies in the bible, yet LDS members do the same thing with the Book of Mormon.
      - Esther
        
        He refused to do so, I heard him. So did Dawkins.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/a-plea-for-spirituality
      - Esther
        
        Thanks, Jeff. Sam said, "Of course, “spiritual” and its cognates have some unfortunate associations unrelated to their etymology"… That's for sure. It is the reason I won't even "mediate" for the associations he discusses in the comment link you sent. So when Sam comes forward with his book on the clarification of "spiritual" I would like to have it. Do you know if he has published on this subject yet? He just says on June 27, 2012, "I will do my best to cut those ties"
      - Esther
        
        BTW, Vladimir and Mesaman understand this kind of personal proof. I can count on that although I do not know those men from Adam.
      - Esther
        
        "no one has seen or can even agree about" How about felt? You did not mention that. But I know that is where y'all draw the line.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        As I just addressed, feelings can easily be mistaken.
      - Esther
        
        feelings exist
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Yes they do. However, feelings can be wrong. Some people who have an arm or leg amputated claim to still be able to feel the missing limb. That feeling is obviously mistaken. Just because someone feels something is correct is not actual evidence.
      - Esther
        
        Regardless, I do not worship imperfect men. Again I am addressing an accusation. I am not talking about the knowledge I have in my heart about God.
      - Esther
        
        It is sensible to address the fact that atheists refuse to discuss issues of the heart, you repeatedly attack issues of my knowing with my heart which I have mentioned several times here before, but no one has been curious about what I mean. I thought I was pretty clear. But then, I am trying to place this whole problem you have with theists in the realm of a beginning anyway of how you can treat the problem you have with your concept of unreasonable people. It is a matter of the heart, and you — as an atheist — will acknowledge such matters exist but will not consider it to be a part of the conversation… that is true with Sam and Dawkins as well. I know, I have seen their refusal to talk about it. YET IT IS THEIR FAVORITE LINE OF ATTACK, SAME AS YOU, JEFF. Therefore, NOW, I submit to you that the Saints are not any different, their belief is heartfelt. The reason that they are not any different is because of something you cannot understand because you have simply killed it before it gets a chance to be expressed. There is not one saint (mormon to you) that I know of who will force their personal religion upon anyone. And when we won't do it, we are deminized by Evermyrtle, Petroskhan, and John Smith. YET, you refuse to differentiate the basically two religions, one that is promoted by force one that is promoted by non-force, the latter being the way of the saints. That is the difference between pseudo-Christianity and Christianity. If you ignore this because it is not clear to you then you will never understand, and just don't want to understand. This is something that I am struggling to explain b/c, as you have suggested, it must be explained.
        
        But, let me re-iterate: It will take on your part, the requirement to discuss things atheists have refused to discuss. But if you won't then, it will be shown that you want to protect your heart-felt personal beliefs which you yourself hold dear, which you do not allow others for the simple reason they wear their hearts on their sleeves..
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        There are other religions, such as the Buddhists that also do not force themselves on people. It is hardly unique to the LDS church.
        
        I have been as open as anyone one this site about who I am and what I believe. Just what is it that you think I am holding back?
      - Esther
        
        You NEVER listen. NO ONE IN THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS worships any man. DO YOU WORSHIP MOSES????? DO YOU GET MY POINT YET??? Vladimir has probably spent hours all totalled telling you this fact time and time again… I don't know what to call you… It is exasperating to see this played out time and time again in your post. Frankly, it is sickening.
      - Bighoss
        
        Vladimir ignores documentation that demonstrates conclusively the sordid history and blasphemous doctrines of his cult. He might have spent hours posting something or other, but it was a waste of his time, since he simply refuses to face the facts about Mormonism that are put right under his nose.;
      - Esther
        
        The reason he ignores your "evidence" is because your "evidence" is not evidence of his faith. His faith is his own and he does not trust you with it, nor do I. You believe you are swift to understand. You are NOT. Sorry, it is the truth.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        All Christians ignore documentation that shows their cult is wrong.
      - Esther
        
        Lumping us altogether again for the amusement of bighoss?
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, just making a point.
      - Esther
        
        With respect to the link on spirituality: When and if Sam will talk about the heart and knowledge that is derived by the heart knowing vs the brain knowing remains to be seen. It seems to me he cannot talk about the differences in the science since It has only been discovered recently the heart has structures very similar, to brain structures. I signed up for his newsletter at the end of the article, and wrote to the website for information about whether he has published any on the subject. I have also considered what people call meditation, for example, when doing yoga (my example not his). Here is one for Sam on the no doubt surprising immediate applications of the knew knowledge http://www.therealessentials.com/followyourheart.html . People for whom spirituality is big business are all over this. So, I know what he means about its critical use, what it means to others, and therefore really look forward to the book he says he will write.
      - Vladimir
        
        Jeff Dixon; interesting choice of words, "documentation". You were careful not to say 'facts" as Bighoss would have.
      - Esther
        
        As you do disregard President Gator Jaws?
      - Vladimir
        
        Bighoss, anyone who thinks they are spreading facts, but refuses to confirm them with the one who knows all truth, will be surprised and saddened sooner or later.
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        BigHoss, as I, have spread the facts, and have confirmed them with the Word of God , the Bible, which is all truth, as the Father holds His Word, the Bible, above Himself ! Any, quote unquote, Revelation from God , A god, that does not line up with the word of God is a LIE . So I guess the question is, who is worse, the lier , or the one, and in this case the L D S , who believes the LIE!
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, actually, there is another option. One can choose to accept the reality that there is no creator at all. You know, the actual rational point of view.
      - Evermyrtle
        
        I think there is someone hiding but it is not Adams. He is standing for the truth. In this day and time it is not the popular thing to do, but Christians have to stand for GOD the one that has been here for all eternity.
      - Esther
        
        It is NOT Vladimir who is "hiding". It is Vladimir who is pleasing God, not you or Mr. Adams.
      - Bighoss
        
        Utter ROT! He is no more a Muslim than he is a Scientologist.
      - Esther
        
        Once a muslim, always a muslim.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        No, he is not. BTW, what version of Christianity does Obama express?
      - Esther
        
        The Reverend Wright variety. Of course he denies Islam as a religion, but once a muslim always a muslim as I understand it.
      - Esther
        
        The ROT is we have to still suffer his presence on the national stage, a muslim president.
  - Evermyrtle
    
    You are right but it is dangerous to tell the truth these days. This will get you into trouble ahead of a lot of things
    - Esther
      
      IT IS MORE DANGEROUS TO LIE!!! That is what you are doing.
    - Jeff Dixon
      
      yet you claim to only be concerned with the truth.
    - John Adams
      
      Speaking the truth has never been "safe", however, the day is coming when Truth will reign!! I'm looking for the upper-taker. I believe that the results of this election are an indication that the Rapture is not far away.
  - Esther
    
    Mitt Romney is a proven state's rights public servant which has implications for all these very issues you mention, in that he was a blue state governor with a democratic legislature. Unfortunately these details of Mitt's problems have not been closely examined by those who are prejudiced about his personal religion.
  - Jeff Dixon
    
    Congrats John, Based on the absurd views you hold, you and people who believe like you do, have probably given this election to Obama.
    - John Adams
      
      You give me way too much credit, for it is GOD who sets up and takes down leaders:
      Dan 2:20
      
      Daniel answered and said, Blessed be the name of God for ever and ever: for wisdom and might are his:
      
      Dan 2:21
      
      And he changeth the times and
      the seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom
      unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding:
      
      Dan 2:22
      
      He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what [is] in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        It is only people voting John. Mythical deities are not electing anyone.
      - John Adams
        
        People vote, but it is God who places in office whom He wills. God uses both the good and the evil to accomplish His will.
      - Vladimir
        
        God uses evil? Wow! What does Satan use? Love?
      - John Adams
        
        Saten IS evil!!!
      - Vladimir
        
        Yes, John Adams, Satan is evil. But God doesn't impose His will on Satan. Better do more studying before the next election. When good men do nothing, evil triumphs.
      - John Adams
        
        Satan can do only what God allows Him to do.
        As a "good man" I DID do something; I voted!!
      - Vladimir
        
        Nonsense, John Adams. You can't attribute everything that happens to be in harmony with God's will. That's utter nonsense. Under that rationale people sinning would be God's will.
        
        You made a determination based on your human intellect and didn't vote. That's on you, not God.
      - John Adams
        
        I'm sorry that you believe in a false god. The One True God is sovereign and is in control of EVERYTHING!!
        BTW, I did vote, just not for either major party candidate.
      - Vladimir
        
        I'm sorry that you don't know what you are talking about, John Adams. God has granted us our agency and He will not violate it. Therefore, sin is in the world, but He doesn't endorse sin. A person sinning is OUT of harmony with God and is acting contrary to God's will. God is in control of everything but for His purposes doesn't impose his will us.
      - John Adams
        
        You obviously don't believe in the sovereign God of the Holy Bible.
- Bighoss
  
  Horse patooties! The LIE that the President is a Muslim is about the most insidious lie told throughout his presidency and in this campaign. All liars have their part in the lake of fire. That's Bible. Clean up your lying act!
  - Esther
    
    OWEbama is a Kenyan muslim, but he does try to look like an American, he has decided he likes being leader of the free world, but his puppeteers will see to supporting him only if he continues to enable the collapse of the great American experiment. .
  - Jeff Dixon
    
    On what basis should anyone actually know what Obama believes? His word?
David

It is likely that given the last two RINOs the GOP has nominated, at least some of the undecided pastors have yet to decide between the CULT MEMBER and some third party candidate. Mitt Romney is NOT pro-life (if it really is a baby, why would you allow abortion in the case of rape or incest? Why punish the child for the father's crime?) and he is a socialist (as opposed to Obama who is a communist).
- http://www.facebook.com/patty.cieslakcarson Patty Cieslak Carson
  
  I agree with the rape and incest thing, but not the part about Romney being a socialist. But at least he is more pro-life than Obama. At least we won't have our tax dollars used to pay for abortions!
- Vladimir
  
  Romney a SOCIALIST ????? Did you just emerge from solitary confinement? Romney is a capitalist which is exactly the opposite of a socialist.
  - David
    
    Ever heard of Romney Care? Ask someone in The Peoples Republic of Massachusetts about it. Mitt Romney, just like most politicians sees the Federal Government as a solution when it is really the problem. If Mitt Romney is so conservative, how did he get elected governor of one of the most liberal states in the country? I admit on the financial side he leans toward free markets, but in all other areas he is a socialist.
    
    For those who say Mitt Romney says we has accepted Jesus as his personal savior. You should check out who this Mormon Jesus is. He is not the second person of the trinity and his father is not the infinite creator God.
    - Vladimir
      
      First, David, "Romney Care" is nothing like the dictatorial monstrosity that Obama is forcing on us and it is good for states to experiment because if it hurts people and they leave the state, they don't have to leave the U.S. and eventually the state will wake up and repent. States are competing with each other for good citizens and over time they will modify or repeal overreaching laws to attract them. The federal government has no business taking over healthcare.
      
      Second, Mitt Romney has accepted the Jesus Christ of the New Testament as his personal savior and as Jesus taught all of us to pray to His Father who art in heaven, Romney does exactly that and closes his prayers in the name of Jesus Christ.
      
      No, Romney doesn't pray to the "triune god" that the Nicene Council conjured up in 300 AD. He prays to the Savior who performed an infinite atonement for us as recorded in the Bible.
      - http://www.facebook.com/people/Andrew-Patton/592034163 Andrew Patton
        
        The Council of Nicea didn't dream anything up, but rather affirmed the sound doctrine taught by the Apostles and condemned the heresy of Arianism. You error because you do not understand the purpose of a Council; Councils do not invent new doctrines, but rather clarify and solidify what has always been taught. You won't see anything expressed as dogma by a Council until after somebody seriously questioned it.
      - Vladimir
        
        Prior to the Council of Nicea, people believed that Jesus walked the earth and taught people to pray to His Father. Since the Council of Nicea, people believe in a "triune god". Go figure.
      - Bighoss
        
        NO. Romney has accepted the Jesus of Mormonism's heretical and blasphemous mythology, who is NOT the Jesus of the Bible!
      - Vladimir
        
        Sorry, Bighoss. Romney prays to the Father of Jesus Christ as per Christ's instructions in the Bible. I suppose you pray to the non-biblical "triune god" invented in 300 AD.
Paula

Undecided? Those are apostate ministers of apostate churches. God's word does NOT change – and there is a HUGE PROBLEM in these churches (most notably the United Methodist) if a "christian" can sit there week after week, vote Demonrat and feel everything is just hunky dory. Christians put God first in ALL areas of their lives and will vote for their core values. LIFE AND DECENCY.
- Paula
  
  The terms "Social Justice" come from the socialist/communist left. If a "Christian" church uses those words in their doctrine or tenets, RUN! These are apostate churches.
  - Winston
    
    Yes, and you will also find in many churches where Pastors have adopted "communitarian" thought and practices which is nothing but "communism lite". They are also telling their church members "we have moved away from fundamental Christianity" and are following the apostate emergent church movement.
  - http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
    
    the communists co-opted social justice. true social justice is looking out for the rights of all humans no matter how much you disagree with their life styles.
    
    He has shown you, O man, what is good;
    And what does the Lord require of you
    But to do justly,
    To love mercy,
    And to walk humbly with your God? Micah 6:8 NKJV
    that does not mean you have to agree with their life style, but they need to be given the dignity that God gave them. slavery would have not been abolished with out social justice nor would child get an education instead of being used as slave labor. social justice seeks to rid society of its evils. an ever going number of democrats hold more conservative values then many republicans. i do not vote for a party, but i do vote the issues. i have voted in both primaries and would love to vote for a democrat who holds my values if i had the chance.
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1357090716 Jerry Morgan

The Nation proved it was not raciest by electing a Black Muslim as President. Now it’s time to do that again and vote for a White Mormon!
molly way

VOTE for the person who worships God, ONLY.
Is that so difficult.
dave_aka_lambsev

If a christian pastor is not pro-life, anti-gay marriage, and pro-Israel, leave that church.
- Pastor Dwayne
  
  And preaches the Gospel, lays hands on the sick and they recover, and by the finger of God cast out demons
  - dave_aka_lambsev
    
    Funny, I have been trapped by my own words! I'm not the pastor at my church. But I have spoken in tongues for years and even seen God heal a few when I prayed for them. We have a ways to go. I have been praying and believing for the Holy Spirit to get more attention at my local church for more than 5 years now. Come visit and or pray for us at the Faith Christian Fellowship PCA in Baltimore MD and help us get all the way through!
    - Bighoss
      
      Shallahala gooleena valinnootie!
      
      I not only speak in tongues; I write in them. How do you like my latest "tongue"?
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        """ Ignorance """
      - Vladimir
        
        You asked for it, Pastor Dwayne.
      - Jeff Dixon
        
        Your ignorance is simply astounding.
      - Esther
        
        this must sound like muslim prayer at sunset… I wouldn't know and hope I never do.
    - Pastor Dwayne
      
      I to have been Baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues, and those who don't believe true tongues exist and inspired by the Holy Ghost, beware what Jesus said about the religious people who said His works were of the devil!!
- Bighoss
  
  So one can't be a Christian if one is not "pro-Israel? Does that mean that one must subscribe to the premillennialist eschatological heresy in order to be a Christian?
  - dave_aka_lambsev
    
    You don't have to understand everything God says about the future, but it is quite clear that the Jewish people were chosen by to bring salvation to all humankind in Jesus the Messiah. It is clear that God has not abandoned them, but that He has "leveled the playing field" after Christ giving gentiles the same access to salvation as Jews. The church no longer makes any significant distinctions between Jewish and gentile believers regarding salvation.
    
    I am actually just as pro gentile as I am pro Israel. But God is doing a marvelous thing by restoring the land of Israel to the Jews today! He wants all men to be saved! He loves the ancestors of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. He will save them today just as readily and joyfully as any gentile! And the prophecy regarding their future in the land assures them that they will have it according to the unbreakable promises God made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
    
    If you belong to God, eventually you will have great respect for the people of God who were faithful to Him in the times before and after Christ.
    
    Imagine: If you are not saved for heaven but your grandfather is in heaven, imagine how much he longs for you to be saved. Peter, Paul, James, John as well as Abraham, Moses, King David and Daniel all long for their relatives here on earth to be saved.
    
    God loves men and women even if and when they go to hell! He loves us enough to save us from hell by the death and rising of His Son!
    
    God is pro Israel. And He is quite angry with those who are Israel's enemies, those who persecute the Jews.
    
    There is so much to say, so read your bible and seek teachers from among those who love people as God loves. If everyone were to love everyone as God loves us their would be no more war. That day will come!
    
    Have faith in God!
  - Esther
    
    IDIOT, ARE YOU REPRESENTATIVE OF YOUR FAMILY? I HOPE THERE ARE NOT MANY MORE OF YOU, though probably if there are more, it is unlikely they would claim you.
1bigjohn

I was about to avoid this election because of both candidates beliefs, but I found out that Romney said he did believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God. Because of that statement I will be voting for him. I would hate to see Obama get another term.
- Winston
  
  What you don't understand is that Mormons lie and deceive just as Muslims do to get their recognition as "Christian" but are NOT. Mormons view Jesus NOT as the ONLY begotten Son of Almighty God, but as the "brother of Lucifer". If you cannont understand that great and grave difference then you need an education about what is truly Biblical Christianity and what are religious cults….counterfeit Christians.
  - Wordmahn
    
    Mormonism is, indeed, a horrible counterfeit of the real Gospel. But in the civil realm Christians may join arms with people with whom we do not agree for the purpose of creating better government. Obviously, all other things being equal, a well-qualified Evangelical would be our first choice, but we do not have one on the ballot. I'll take a Mormon with high moral standards and mostly correct understanding about constitutional government, free enterprise, etc. over a lying, God-hating, Muslim-favoring, anti-capitalist, big-government, socialist, humanist every time!
    - Vladimir
      
      While I agree with your choice in presidential candidates, Wordmahn, you are dead wrong about The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. Go to http://www.mormon.org to find out what Mormons really believe.
      - Wordmahn
        
        I live in an area settled and dominated by LDS folk so I am more than familiar with the teaching and history of the so-called Latter Day Saints. With all due respect, Vladimir, just tell me where we can find ruins of the supposed great, Middle East based civilizations that the Book of Mormon alleges to have existed in the United States? I've seen with my own eyes the ruins of ancient middle eastern cultures that can still be seen in the modern state of Israel, and her neighbors. Where are ruins of the Lamenites and the other civilizations that supposedly existed here? If you tell me to look to the ruins of the Incas and Aztecs in Central America, please tell me how the last survivor of the good guys from those supposed civilizations walked more than six thousand miles from Central America to burry the non-existant golden plates that Joseph Smith supposedly later found in up-state New York?. And if the American Indians were the decendents of these peoples why does the DNA evidence of modern Indian decendants show little or no connection to middle eastern populations? I'm afraid that, unlike the Bible, the history depicted in your book has no realistic support.
      - Vladimir
        
        If you've been living among the LDS folk, how come you don't know that you can know for YOURSELF if it is true? Simply read the Book of Mormon and then go to God in humble prayer as James invites you to do (James 1:5). He will reveal to you the truth of all things.
        
        You can really get wrapped around the axle trying to prove or disprove it on your own. Direct revelation from your Heavenly Father is awesome and doesn't invite argument.
      - Wordmahn
        
        Already had my own burning in my bosom, Vlad, and it was for Jesus, not Jospeh. Now, how are we gonna figure out who had heartburn?
      - Vladimir
        
        Sorry, Wordmahn, my experience was a little more than a burning in my bosom. More like a wake up call in my soul. The only common description of the experience is that the person knows it came from God and certainly not from anything of this earth. Next time take 2 Tums.
      - Wordmahn
        
        The "burning in the bosom" is your people's term. I don't have any problem with subjective experience so long as the experience is not repudiated by reality. Shortly after I met Jesus Christ and became a Christian, I had the privilege of traveling to Israel and the Middle East where I saw the actual ruins of places and things that I read about in the Bible. Please tell me, where I can go to see the ruins of the Lamanite cities? Tell me how entire sections of a pre-Victorian English Bible could have been recorded word for word in a document written thousands of years earlier in a completely unelated ancient language? Can't you see that these things and many more point to an elaborate fraud?
        
        Okay, here's the narrative: God, the Father, sent His Son, Jesus Christ, as the fulfillment of thousands of years of expectation recorded in the OT. Christ proved He was the Son of God, raising Himself from the dead, established His church, and turned it over to His apostles who in turn trained up other faithful men to do the same. There were schisms and heresies, the church dealt with these as they arose, and clarified and solidified the doctrinal foundations in the process (We have records of all this.). Later, part of the church fell into various corruption's but Christ, Who assured us that the gates of hell would not prevail against her, always preserved in His church a faithful remnant. The Magisterial Reformers, Luther, Calvin et al. came on the scene, and, failing to interest the Roman prelates in the project of reforming the institutional church, took it to the streets and established the Protestant Reformation which corrected most of the corruption's that the RC institution had brought.
        Fast forward to 1930 — A fortune teller with a rap sheet named Joseph Smith tells folks he has a magic stone that he can put into his hat and reveal secrets. Then he starts telling people that God has chosen him to start a new church and that all of the other churches that existed since the time of Christ were false. Wow, Smith trashes two thousand years of sacred history all by his lonesome. Then He tells his people that God has led him to some golden plates, but only he can read them, see? And he does this by putting this stone into his hat and… no wait, he has to use some magic spectacles and…. no, wait, he has to use the Urim and Thurim (whatever that is), but, hell, if they'll buy it… Anyway, he reportedly has these plates that no one but a couple of his cronies have seen and he magically dictates the translation of an ancient, unknown language (for which he has no training) from behind a curtain (play spooky music here), and out comes this book! And, what do you know! The book bears an uncanny resemblance to a really bad, unpublished novel written by one of his deceased neighbors and the man's widow can't seem to find the manuscript. And far more amazing, young Smith's translation of this supposed pre-Christian era document contains entire sections (word for word, mind you!) from the King James version of the Bible (that just happened to be the popular Bible at the time that young Joeseph was doing his translation)of Gospels and the Pauline epistles all of which were not even penned until over a thousand years after the alleged plates were buried and were not translated into the King's English (James, that is) until much later! It's a miracle!
        But, there's more. Somehow all of the ruins of the middle eastern civilizations told about in Joe's new book have disappeared because the Smithsonian says there's not a shred of archeological evidence for any of it. And now the modern science of DNA tells us that the American Indians don't seem to have any markers in common with middle eastern populations as they WOULD if there were any truth to Joe's tall tales. (Would this be a good place to talk about all of the thousands of revisions to the Book of Mormon that were made without so much as a footnote?) If Bible scholarship was done that way I'd throw it in the trash. It's a good thing you have that beach front property already.
      - Vladimir
        
        Too much error to address, Wordmahn. Best leave the declaration of what Mormons believe to Mormons who know what they are talking about.
        
        But glad you got to go to the middle east. I'd like to do that, too, but my wife is afraid of terrorism over there so it is unlikely.
      - Vladimir
        
        No heartburn for Joseph, just Jesus, Wordmahn. You have a little way to go to understand how and why God confirms truth to us.
      - Wordmahn
        
        BTW, I'm disappointed that you didn't have answers for my questions.
      - Vladimir
        
        I'm disappointed you can't bring yourself to ask God for wisdom. His answers are so much better than mine. And I'll bet you won't argue with Him.
      - Wordmahn
        
        Rightly did Mark Twian say that the Book of Mormon is "Chloroform in print." I've read portions. If there was anything of substance to read there I might give it more time, but there isn't. Can you tell me one distinctive doctrine of Mormonism that is contained in that book? You can't because Mormon doctrinal distinctives are not in the Book of Mormon but rather in Doctrine and Covenants, and Pearl of Great Price. Besides, as I said in my other post, the "history" contained in that most boring tome is laughable bogus. There are no ruins of middle eastern civilzations in America because such civilzations never existed. And for the same reasons there is no body of DNA evidence to link native Americans to Middle Eastern populations because the Book of Mormon is pure fiction. And I should mention that bronze age civilzations did not have inter-continential submarine technology. Good grief, man. Wake up.
      - Vladimir
        
        Read the Book of Mormon, Wordmahn, and tell me the first divine principle you come to. Hint, Nephi is the one who talks about it. Then keep reading to the arrival of Jesus Christ in the western hemisphere. Once you've gone that far you might as well finish it and ask God if it is true.
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        It is to bad you don't know the rest of the bible as well as you use Js. 1:5!! If you did you would know the great falling away, (that you said was revealed to the LDS ) Satan knows this also but he moved up the timeframe a few hundred years! Again if you knew the Word of God you would know that the great falling away is just now beginning, and is to happen just prior to the antichrist being revealed!! 2Thes 2:3.
        
        The False Prophets the Bible speaks of, has lied repeatedly to you and the LDS!! The wisdom of James 1:5 spoke to me and said, the LDS are in fact not saints of Jesus' true church. NO, NO, NO the LDS is NOT Jesus' True Church !!!!!!!!!!!
      - Vladimir
        
        Pastor Dwayne, you said, "The wisdom of James 1:5 spoke to me". I think you are confused. I am well aware that some folks attribute incredible powers to the bible, but it, nevertheless, is still a book and can't speak to you nor can "its wisdom". God is the one who will give you wisdom, not a passage in the bible. James directs you to ask God. So do it.
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        What don't you get""" You have it completely bassackwards, I REPETE God holds His own Word , The Bible, above Himself, He will never reveal wisdom that is above and beyond His Word. However I am not denying that you havn't recieved revelation , you sure have. However since you gospel (good news ) is so close to the real Gospel , Paul spoke of in Gal 1:7-9, the voice of wisdom that you hear is not the Father, nor the Son nor the Holy Ghost!!!!!!!!!!!!
      - Esther
        
        EXCELLENT
      - Despeville
        
        "Direct revelation" you get is straight from hell Vlad and that is why it does not match the one given from Heaven.
      - Vladimir
        
        Sorry, Despeville, I was praying as Jesus Christ directed us to do, to His Father who art in heaven. If you think Heavenly Father would allow Satan to respond, I'd be very interested to learn your source.
      - Bighoss
        
        Yaw-w-w-n-n-n..the same old Mormon fall-back argument when a Mormon can not respond sensibly to a valid question about his cultic belief system.
      - Esther
        
        You are an idiot, so who cares you don't understand? Not I. As I have said before you are untrustworthy, so no one should, in fact no one really does put any effort in a positive true education of you to the discipline.
      - Esther
        
        I read this and my former comment still stands. Miracles are involved with your religion as well as mine. Do you deny that?
      - Pastor Dwayne
        
        They really don't believe in a Jesus who has existed through out eternity
      - Vladimir
        
        I wouldn't bet the farm on that, Pastor Dwayne.
    - Esther
      
      Not Really. You could never make this statement unless you actually experience that religion, which I know you have not. Be careful you do not commit being a false witness. Nevertheless, you vote is very well placed in Mitt's candidacy so I believe there is hope for you, I sincerely hope Mitt wins in order to — if nothing else,— to demonstrate his personal ethics that are undeniably Christian, meaning he is a true follower of Christ and of all the basic principles he taught and as such is a true missionary for Christ. Of that I have no doubt.
  - Vladimir
    
    Actually Winston, your brother is Lucifer also. Now how does that make you feel? But cheer up, so is Jesus Christ and He loves you, whereas Lucifer hates you and wishes to destroy you. Are you responsible for Lucifer's fall and current condition? I don't think so and neither is Jesus. We were granted agency to act for ourselves. Lucifer chose unwisely and stopped his progression. You chose wisely and are still on the path to eternal life and with Jesus' help you have a good shot.
    
    By the way, Mormons view Jesus Christ as the ONLY begotten Son of our Heavenly Father. Don't know of anyone else conceived by Heavenly Father in the flesh.
    - Bighoss
      
      The Bible does not identify "Lucifer" as Satan or as Satan's relative. "Lucifer" is used once in scripture, in the Book of Isaiah, where it is applied to Nebuchadnezar. The bogus notion of Satan as "Lucifer" comes from a gross but common misinterpretation of that passage. Read up here and get educated about LUCIFER.
      
      http://www.crivoice.org/lucifer.html
      
      http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/Documents/Lucifer.htm
      
      Now note carefully the words of the following verses….." And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow ……..that thou shalt take up this proverb against the King of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! The golden city ceased!" (Is.14:3-4) Then the story continues and pictures the ultimate breaking of the power of Babylon and it's King; then, in a cynical description, pictures this fallen King in words of sarcastic symbolism…….how he had fallen from his high estate (the heavens, as an authority) as a World-Ruler, and how he had been brought low.
      
      Those reading Daniel's wonderful interpretation of Nebuchadnezzar's dream (Daniel 2:37) will see what a proud position this
      King had held, for God had given him the greatest of all empires (up to that time). He had been used as a scourge against Israel, for their sin before Yahweh, but retribution was now to come, for this great King was driven from his throne by seven years of madness. This was an enormous "come-down" for a great King who had caused all the nations "to tremble." His fear was upon all nations, one after another they fell before him. No wonder the Prophet said of him…(Isaiah 14:16-17)…"Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; that made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of the prisoners?"
      
      These words do not fit the character of a supposed Devil power. Here was a Dictator, a King, one who had conquered Israel with a great slaughter by Yahweh's will. He had taken them to Babylon…he had conquered Syria, Egypt, Moab, Ammon, and Arabia and many other lands. His pride and arrogance knew no bounds, and one day, in the Palace of Babylon, he made the boastful speech….."Is not this great Babylon, that I have built for the house of the Kingdom by the might of my power, and for the honor of my majesty?" (Dan 4:30) Even as the last words were upon his lips, a voice from heaven passed judgment upon him and he was driven from his throne…(Daniel 4:31). Do you not see in this impious speech, the same outline as Isaiah speaks of …."I WILL ascend above the heights of the clouds [heaven]; I WILL be like the most high [in authority]." (Isaiah 14:14).
      - Vladimir
        
        You don't believe there is a devil, Bighoss?
      - Bighoss
        
        I do believe there is a devil, but his name is not Lucifer and it is not the devil who is the subject of Isaiah 14; it is Nebuchadnezzar. The same God who dealt discipline to Nebuchadnezzar will also deal with Satan in destructive finality on His good time.
      - Vladimir
        
        Interesting interpretations, Bighoss. Can't agree, because I have access to sources you reject. So you are welcome to your opinion.
Charles Giles

I really don't see the problem that pastors have about guiding their flock towards the proper person to vote for especially if they are a Bible driven Church that believes in the whole Word of GOD, I mean it was done all the time in the 1800's and they were the horror to the corrupted officials of their time, even Linden Johnson had so much trouble with them in Texas, that he got congress to include them under 501C3 designation to force them to keep their mouths shut.

And now all of a sudden the Church has grown timid and doesn't want to upset their apple cart and offending someone in the congregation.

The issue is plain, what contender for the throne is more in line with GOD's message, which of them is for the Bill of Rights that points out the rights that GOD gave to you, which contender supports the Constitution, and won't back down from it, which contender keeps from making corrupt treaties with the United Nations that take away our rights.

You tell me which is the lesser of the two evils, and then go vote for him, afterwards keep his feet to the fire, to try to keep him honest.
THEBLACKCAT999

THIS SHOULD BE A NO BRAINER….HE HAS TAKEN GOD OUT THE THE AGENDA…HE IS IN BED WITHTHE MUSLIMS….WHY WOULD ANY SANE PERESON WANT HIM BACK IN THE WHITEHOUSE???
Winston

The IRS code 501(c)3 still has a fear grip on most Pastors and that is why most still remain silent from the pulpit about political matters. You can talk your head off too them but they're more affraid of men than they are of God. Sad but true.
- http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=58215905 Wesley Woods
  
  i wonder how many candidates a pastor has to flat out endorse from the pulpit before the irs will revoke their 501c3 status. all the irs has done is do a lot of barking before dropping the issue. the irs already knows that the Johnson amendments is unconstitutional and that is why they do not pursue the matter further than a whole lot of barking. it would really be nice if pastors would wise up get a backbone and flat out defy the irs.
Gordon

To be undecided at this point does not reflect as much on intelligence as it does on morality. You vote Obama to embrace murder (abortion on demand), sexual perversion being mainstreamed (so-called gay marriage), aggression against the "apple of God's eye (a diminished support for Israel), policies that undermine the biblical work ethic(a cultivated environment that discourages independence and growth in the private sector, but fosters dependence on government and a sense of entitlement among the unproductive), and many other things we could consider. You cannot serve Obama (and the huge camp of values he represents and who support him) and Christ!
David S.

Check the pulpit? No thanks, I will use my own brain to vote – I don't care who endorses various candidates. They, like me, can vote for whomever they wish. It is a shame that Romney and Obama are the "top two" – I wish Ron Paul had a better chance. A shame indeed.
Wordmahn

The obvious lesson is that the current state of Biblical literacy in the American church is abysmal. Long ago we believed the lie when they told us that dligent Bible study was just "head knowledge." Now we see the result. Even our pastors don't know how to interpret and apply God's Word. Most of these pastors wouldn't know a hermaneutical principle if it mugged them on the way home.
http://twitter.com/Dondgorman Don Gorman

Many of these are liberal pastors if you are taking in all Protestant churches. I see flaws in both candidates but Romney has less in the way of flaws than the POTUS. I've already voted and now I hope that I can pray for a new President. Thankfully we still can vote. In any event the Lord Jesus is still King and those of us who are Christians should submit our hearts to Him. He will work out all things to His purpose and design in spite of men.
Wordmahn

Yes, most of these pastors are politically liberal, theologically liberal, and/or just plain ignorant. But, why? They either don't care what God's word says, or they don't know how to make consistent sense of it. In either case these leaders' failures to think and act (and in this case, VOTE) consistently with the Bible's teachings, would be even more obvious, and their churches would be even emptier if the average American Christian understood their Bibles. We badly need a return to systematic theology and fervent preaching by preachers who are not ashamed of any verse, and fearlessly apply those verses to EVERY area of life.
- Pastor Dwayne
  
  Word,,,,The Lord spoke to me about 4 months after being born again, and said 80% of all pastors will not see heaven, now my own words,,,,, because many enjoyed the all mighty dollar, but most is because they were not born again!
  - Despeville
    
    You need to see the doctor or a shrink Dwayne… What if it is 95% then you lie and use the Name of God for it…
    - Pastor Dwayne
      
      I will stick with what the Lord said to me!
  - Wordmahn
    
    Thanks for the affirmation, Dwayne, but I have to say that the modern day revelation thing doesn't look so good to me. I was in Charismatic churches for over 20 years and heard more false prophecies than I could count. I even heard one very notable Charismatic leader say that in his extensive travels he felt like 80% of the "words" he'd heard were completely off the mark. I'm keeping my eyes on the sure word of the scriptures. Blessings.
Ithamar

The institution most responsible for the death of our country is the American pulpit which is filled by ignorant, unlearned, dumb dogs which cannot bark. It is like the lying spirit in the false prophets of Ahab, but the American church goers would have it that way.
- Vladimir
  
  And yet prior to the American Revolutionary War it was the American pulpit that fanned the flame of freedom in the hearts of the colonists.
  - Wordmahn
    
    Pulpits that your prophet said were filled with "hirelings" from "false" churches. You are quite correct that the American colonial pupits were the driving force behind the American Revolution. But you can't have it both ways, Vlad. You can't affirm the excellence of the early American churches and affirm a false prophet who absolutely condemned those churches.
    - Vladimir
      
      You are confused, Wordmahn. Better check your facts before voicing your opinion. The Revolutionary War predates Joseph Smith's experience by over 30 years. I can comment on early American churches' correct action to encourage liberty and then several decades later their preaching false doctrine like the "triune god" or Calvinism.
      
      So you see, Wordmahn, I do have it both ways.
Tom K.

A Bible believing & preaching pastor that has reliable news sources would NOT and should NOT be undecided. If YOUR pastor is undecided, change your Church and let your pastor know why !
Esther

ONCE AGAIN MITT GIVES TO OBAMA. A TRUE STATESMAN MITT ROMNEY IS. GOD BLESS YOU AND ANN, MITT (ACTUALLY HE — GOD — ALREADY HAS)
Mex Seiko

Voting for a cult leader to lead the nation is not an easy decision for Christians. Although we vote for values rather than a candidate's faith, a cult leader puts the breaks on the decision as it sends a message to the throne above.

"In God We Trust" doesn't mean the same any longer.